11) 6/67: UNDERSTANDING THE PATTERN IN IT’S REAL TERMS
CAST OUT OR LIBERATES US FROM SATAN
(part of this tape is also called Marriage & Divorce)
(tape 1 side 2 and tape 2 side 1)
(Also called Prayer)
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
June, 1967 (Sunday morning class)
Los Angeles, California
CATALOG #: 67.06 PS
originally recorded by Dr. Carl F. Gross on reel to reel
transferred to 2 90 minute audio cassettes by Geraldine Rothstein
transcribed by Susan Whitney
proofread by Geraldine Rothstein and Mary Gross
approved by International Public Relations Committee - January 1995
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Dr. Kinley: Thank you so much. I may be glad to be here and testify to the things that pertain to the purpose and also the ___ of Yahshua the Messiah and of Yahweh the Father. Now I have tried pretty hard all of 34 years to bring to you some profound knowledge of Yahweh. I have exhorted, I've instructed and I've come right on down with the reality of it, haven't spared any at all. I feel that it is my indispensable duty to do that. You must know the truth and the truth will set you free. A lie will do nothing but cause you to be in bondage. Now as we plan to talk this morning, it is more or less a refreshing of your memory and your understanding, your comprehension of the things that are real, that are true.
First I want to say this. Now there's no need of no debate about it, just no need of no debate, no contention about it: the world lies in wickedness, ignorance and stupidity and all of the ecclesiastical powers or the religious powers in the world, they can not be right. Now that goes without any argumentation.
Now Yahweh had a purpose and that purpose will be carried out and concluded as He purposed it to be, and that will be without hinderance and obstruction. There is nothing in the world that can keep it from coming to pass, just like He declared it, not a thing. My and your religious beliefs and concepts will not alter or change it, not the least.
One of the first things I wanna tell you about is this. Now we've had the King James Version of the Bible for many years. Now that's, now that's so. There's just no arguments about it. Let's don't get nothing started about it. Now that is what is known as the Protestant Bible. Protestant means to protest as it is interpreted by the Roman Catholic Church. Now that Bible, when we speak of it as being the King James Version, now it isn't just something to say, but it's something for us to make you understand what we're talking about, otherwise we haven't did any good. Now way back when the Bibles were being translated by Jerome. Now Jerome is the Vulgate translation of the Bible. Now that is the Bible that the Roman Catholics use, and it was before the King James Version. Now before Jerome and other reformest translated, we go on back to the massoretic text. Now that was before Jerome or it was before the King James. Now does anybody know anything about when the King James Bible was translated?
Dr. Kinley: 15, huh?
Dr. Kinley: 1611. How's that Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: 7 years in preparation
Dr. Kinley: 7 years in preparation. Now what happened there is this: a group of men that was appointed by the king, King James, got together. A group now, not, not one person, got together and they translated your Bible that we have used.
Now here is what I wanted to say about that: most all of the Protestant Churches use that Bible, don't use the Vulgate. And now it would stand to reason that a King James with a number of people checking one another's mistakes and errors in the translation would be better than just one person or one individual as was in the case of Jerome. Now would that make sense?
Dr. Kinley: So now what we want to get at to you is this: neither the Vulgate or the King James, neither one carries the correct Hebrew names and what we have done through the Roman Catholic translation and also of the King James translation.
We have got the wrong deity. Now we don't wanna argue about that, that's just the way it is. Now this book of God, now, if you go back and try to find out something about God, where it come from and where is originated: it was not with the Hebrews or with the Jews. Now it was spelled G-A-W-D and then G-O-D. Then that was applied, listen, to their idolatrous heathen deities, what you would speak of as an idol like Bel, Baal, Molech, Diana and so forth and so on.
Now the Roman Catholic Church has carried statues, statues of whom they speak of as the Holy Family - the Madonna, and of the Apostles and so forth and so on. And they say that it is necessary that they decorate their cathedrals and their synagogues or sanctuaries, or as they call it churches, with those to beautify `em, make `em look nice. Doesn't make any difference what Yahweh said about thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images in the likeness of anything that is in the heavens above or in the earth beneath. He said that to the Hebrews here in the wilderness, said that in what you call the commandments (find that in the 20th chapter of Exodus) now Moses didn't say that, He said that Himself. Why would He say a thing like that? Because everything there is in nature, even from the atom on, is composed in that three fold composition, then if He had went to work and made everything like that, it was unnecessary for you to add anything to it. And one of the most outstanding things that He made to reflect Himself in nature of the highest order was the man himself. Now he cannot be improved upon, under no circumstances or conditions. He was made in His likeness and in His image to reflect in the infallible... I mean He made him perfect for that, for that particular reason: as a natural man to reflect His spiritual being. Now do you understand? Now by you erecting idols, or making up some kind of a image, even if it be of a man, you can't put no life into it, so then you can't improve on it; therefore it won't be necessary for you to make anything, but we always must have this adversary and this opponent. And he's always gonna do just to the contrary. It takes that to make him an adversary, it takes that to make him your enemy, enemy. Right? Now then what we oughta do then is to be very particular about how we portray this natural man as compared to the heavenly. We want to make sure that we get that right. Then so far as idols is concerned, well, let's count them on out and get it over with. Let's count `em out and get it over with.
Now names, now He has said that He was going to take His name and set it up as a standard. It is not the only ____ ____ ____. No substitute name, so now let's count that out. Well now, in your Roman Catholic Version or the Vulgate or the Douay which we have been compelled to use, both the Roman Catholic and the Protestant, we've been compelled to use. Why? Because we didn't have any other so we used it, but now we are blessed to have another, more perfect translation so we use that and in that we discovered (no secrets about it) that His name is Yahweh. That's the name of the Father, Yahweh. We've found that the name of the Son. Now let me go back and fix that. We found that the name of the father is Yahweh not God. We have found that the name of the son is Yahshua not Jesus Christ, Yahshua the Messiah not Jesus Christ. Somebody said, `well now, hold everything.' The devil always wants to get up and argue. We found out too that the name of that which we call the Holy Ghost is Elohim or spirit. Now those 3 constitute all that there is, those 3 are one. How do you get like that? Look at the man and you see he's composed of soul, body and spirit: that's a perfect description of Yahweh that cannot be improved upon. He's animated or given life, that's the reason why he's made up like he is. And I'd like to say this to you: in his completeness, his make-up, the woman was embodied in the man. Now there just isn't any argument about that. And then in His creating, process of creating and making everything as He wanted it to be, He caused a deep sleep to fall on that man and then He took the womb, the rib and formed the woman. That was done in the Garden of Eden. Now He had a reason for that. Now that woman was Adam's wife. She was his mother, (well now, let's see if I can say it this way) she was to be the mother of all living human beings because everything proceeded and come forth from her, male and female. Yah is strictly masculine, weh is feminine, as in Yahweh the name of the Father. Now then if He puts that down there and formed a man, you can see that that man that He formed (now that's the reason we drawed it out on these charts over here) that man he formed, that man, now He formed him out of the dust of the earth.
Now let me say something about that too because I think that's necessary which I discovered when I made these charts. You notice this one here. It starts with them in the Garden of Eden. Now this was our first one that we made that we used in public demonstrations or exhibition. This one here. And I tried to use this one to set it up as a pattern, but now every time we would talk from it, try to show you maybe something about the creation from this here, then there's always somebody come along and say, `Well I don't understand.' Well, we simply got tired of that, so then what we did instead of fixing it up ____ ____ ____. You see that now? This here, it's not bad. So then instead of starting here as you see, this chart starts ___. What we did, we come on back not withstanding that this here, we put it here as a pattern to try to show this pattern here in conjunction and relation with this one here. Now this we call the migratory pattern. Now what this is over here is this tabernacle here. Now this is what we found out, that we had to do: we found out that instead of starting where that chart starts there, where it starts here, we had to come on back through the creation, all the way through and bring it up to this because they were not able to take this and come back in here and start. Now you see why we had to draw this one, because they couldn't go beyond, so then we made it. Now then after we made this one (we made this one in '46, this is made in '31/'32) then we found out we had to make this one here because they couldn't take it from here. They couldn't take it. Now then what we had to do then, now somebody setting in the back couldn't see so well because these pictures are small, so then you see how this is drawn up here to show you where Moses saw what he wrote in the Genesis. Now these days are the days of, this is matter here, this is the, the first day, second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day, sixth day, and then the sabbath, the seventh day or the sabbath. Now that's that week. Now listen, listen closely to what I'm saying. I not mincing any words. I'm really trying my best to show you how the thing really is and how all of the mistakes and errors and the confusion has gotten out into the world. Now you see since you couldn't see that, you can't set in the back and see this up here too well, you'd could almost have to use a pair of binoculars.
So now each one of these veils in here, they have the proper thing on them. We drew them out that way. Now when we speak of veils we're talking about the veil that divided the Most Holy Place from the Holy Place. And then the veil that goes in here, that divides this from the Outer Court. Now you can see it better from here because you know you've just got a line here. You've got a veil in here. So now then we put the veil in here. Now this is the same thing, we put the veil in here, then we put the second veil in here. Now this other veil makes the door or the entry into the tabernacle. Now this out here is the gate. This is the gate that goes in the Outer Court. Now this is the Outer Court here. Now it's impossible to draw these charts like they ought to be, any of them, now I've told you that before. Now why did you say that? Because now you can see it a more perfect description of this Outer Court around here. And you can see this gate here, this, but now you see this Outer Court around here. We use these lines in here, you used a line here and a line there, and veil here, and a line here. Then we put the vessels in the Outer Court, all golden or the brazen altar and the laver, then we showed this as being the door. Now just like you see the lines drawn down here, what it ought to be, it represents this Court Around About, that's what the lines represent. And the veil, now we've got this drawn clear across here and it doesn't go clear across there, and the, and the door here it doesn't go clear across to the end of the line around here. Now I think we did a very good job, a very good job to do as well as we have done. Now this is what we did. Now you listen at me because I do know what is in the world, and all of the religious denominations, England, Rome, Jerusalem, everywhere, I know what's in the world. And I wouldn't be justified in standing up here and saying to you under no conditions and circumstances other than what I'm gonna mention.
DR. GROSS' REEL RECORDING CAME TO AND END AND THE LECTURE WAS CONTINUED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS REEL.
I've used the word God, God and the universe in its totality is made up just like this pattern, that He reflected Himself, it's made up that way, everything, there is nothing, even God Himself is made up that way, and every animate and inanimate object in the universe. Don't make no difference whether it's in heavens above or in the earth beneath or in the waters under the earth. It's all made up just like that. Now if He Himself (listen to what I'm gonna say here) He Himself made the man, He Himself gave the pattern after which the man was made, then He made everything that was made and without Him there was nothing made, not a thing. Now that, that, that oughta end that argument. It just ought to end the argument, it ought to end the debate. Now, listen to what I'm gonna say now. All of this, everything you see, is in the realm of eternity, as of now there is nothing outside of the realm of eternity. Now that sounds kinda funny don't it? Yes it would when you don't understand, sure it would. Let's be honest about it. Now He inhabits eternity. So now the way that time is computed, time is computed within the realm of eternity. Do you understand what I mean there?
Dr. Kinley: I'm saying that everything is in eternity and God Himself has set up the proper way to compute time Himself. Now He did that within the realm of eternity. He set His own official timekeepers. Now do you know what they are? Well I'm gonna tell you cause it's my business (and I'm serious about it), it's my business to see to it that you know what they are and the purpose for which they were put there and that is this: the sun and moon. Now he put `em there Himself and there could ____ in the realm of eternity. Now let me see if I can say this. Now there's 7 feasts in the year. And if you look at those 7 feasts that was given to the Jews, they were to keep `em by those official timekeepers, every last one of `em. Now they didn't do that. You have in the 1st chapter of Isaiah. Look at it. There, your new moons and your sabbath days they are what? Read it out of the Book.
Reader: My soul hateth:
Dr. Kinley: Now my soul hates
Reader: they are trouble unto me;
Dr. Kinley: They are trouble unto me
Reader: I'm weary
Dr. Kinley: I'm, I'm weary. I'm sick and tired of it. Read.
Reader: And when ye spread forth your hands,
Dr. Kinley: And when you spread forth your hand
Reader: I will hide mine eyes from you:
Dr. Kinley: I will hide mine eyes from you
Reader: Yea, when you make many prayers,
Dr. Kinley: Yea when you make many prayers
Reader: I will not hear:
Dr. Kinley: I'm not gonna hear it
Reader: Your hands are full of blood.
Dr. Kinley: Your hands are full of blood. Alright now read about the moon there.
Reader: Your new moons
Dr. Kinley: Your new moon. Now look. We making a recording, where you reading, chapter and verse.
Reader: 19th verse.
Dr. Kinley: huh?
Reader: Isaiah 13th verse
Dr. Kinley: Alright read, read that.
Reader: Bring no vain oblations;
Dr. Kinley: Don't bring no vain oblations
Dr. Kinley: incense
Reader: is an abomination unto me;
Dr. Kinley: is an abomination unto me
Reader: the new moons
Dr. Kinley: huh
Reader: the new moons
Dr. Kinley: the new moons
Reader: and the sabbaths,
Dr. Kinley: and sabbaths
Reader: and calling of assemblies,
Dr. Kinley: and calling of the assemblies
Reader: I cannot away with it;
Dr. Kinley: I cannot away with it
Reader: it is iniquity,
Dr. Kinley: It is iniquity
Reader: even the solemn feast.
Dr. Kinley: even the whole thing is corrupt and polluted
Reader: Your new moons
Dr. Kinley: huh
Reader: your new moon
Dr. Kinley: your, your new moon
Reader: and appointed
Dr. Kinley: Wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no. Now go back. There's just no sense in stumbling around and falling over things. Now you see I told you that He put them up there to be the timekeepers. They decided that they was gonna have it their way. So He said now your new moons and then your sabbaths
Reader: and your appointed feast
Dr. Kinley: and your whole appointed feast
Reader: my soul hateth:
Dr. Kinley: Now my soul hates
Reader: they are trouble unto me;
Dr. Kinley: They are trouble unto me.
Reader: I am weary of that.
Dr. Kinley: I'm weary of that. Read.
Reader: And when you spread forth your hands,
Dr. Kinley: Now when you spread forth your hands
Reader: I will hide mine eyes:
Dr. Kinley: I will hide mine eyes
Dr. Kinley: Yea
Reader: when you make many prayers,
Dr. Kinley: Yea, when you make many prayers
Reader: I will not hear:
Dr. Kinley: I will not hear
Reader: your hands are full of blood.
Dr. Kinley: Your hands are full of blood. Read on
Reader: Wash ye,
Dr. Kinley: wash you
Reader: make ye clean;
Dr. Kinley: make ye clean
Reader: put away the evil of your doings
Dr. Kinley: put away the evil of your doings
Reader: from before mine eyes;
Dr. Kinley: from before mine eyes
Reader: cease to do evil;
Dr. Kinley: cease to do evil
Reader: Learn to do well;
Dr. Kinley: learn to do well
Reader: seek judgment
Dr. Kinley: And be not weary with well doing for in due season says the Apostle Paul you will reap if you just don't faint. Now the people are fainting and falling by the way side with their own appointed feast and their own appointed time for this and that and the assemblies and what not. And God's sick of it. The whole thing is an abomination. Now if we're gonna pollute and contaminate or defile the name of Yahweh, we don't have nothing to go upon. The whole business from start to finish or from the pulpit to the door is rotten and He is not going to accept it. Somebody said, `Well listen, you don't understand, I'm sincere.' Just what is a prayer? `Prayer is a sincere desire of the heart.' We have sincerely desired a million things that we don't need nor not have, then after we get it. Now that is not what a prayer is: a prayer is not a sincere desire of the heart. Well, if it's not that, than what is it? Now there's such a thing as saying prayers as they call it: that ain't no good. Saying prayers. Where'd you get that idea from? I know where you got it from, you got it from the devil. Now somebody come along and this is what they did: wrote out something nice for you to say. And you're supposed to learn how to recite that. That's what you call saying prayers, you know it by heart. Now your vain oblations. What is an oblation?
Dr. Kinley: huh?
Dr. Kinley: sacrifice. What is a vain repetition?
Dr. Kinley: Repeating over and over, vain repetition. Messiah said don't use vain repetition. Is that right?
Dr. Kinley: Now let me show, let me, let me put that in order so you can see that. Now the Roman Catholics, they say that they give so many indulgences and that thing was invented too, indulgence or saying Hail Marys. You repeat that and some of you have heard it on, on the radio and you get so many indulgence or credits towards your salvation for repeating it over and over: `Hail Mary, Mother of God, blessed art thou.' You've heard that. And you're supposed to say that so many times for so many credits. Now that's a vain repetition. Messiah said don't do that, don't do it. Now we talked about saying prayers.
Now we're talking about prayer. Now we don't want you to say prayers. And we don't want you to pray either. Now that puts you completely out of business, totally out of business. Now if you're not gonna pray, not gonna say prayers, what is a prayer? Somebody said, as I have already said, they said, `it's a sincere desire of the heart.' And you've seen people down on their knees in these meetings with a strong delusion and said, `before you come to the altar we're gonna pray for you,' and all the beating and patting and carrying on and hitting you on the back and all of this kinda thing, tears running down the cheeks: them people are sincere about that thing. That's right. Now we are not going to allow you to say prayers. Now we got you out of business of praying. These are some of the reasons why that the people do not understand this, this operation of this Institute.
Dr. Kinley: They do not understand it and there's nothing else for them to say but you're wrong. There's nothing else they can say, `sure, it's wrong.' It's wrong according to the way that you have been taught. I agree. Romans 8:25.
Reader: But if we hope for what we see not,
Dr. Kinley: Now if we hope for what we see not. Read.
Reader: then do we with patience wait for it.
Dr. Kinley: do, then do we with patience wait for it.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, just like that, likewise, and it's immaterial and irrelevant to me which one of these Bibles you read it out of, the case is still the same: likewise. Read.
Reader: The Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:
Dr. Kinley: The spirit also helpeth our infirmities. Alright, I'm in a hurry.
Reader: for we know not what we should pray for
Dr. Kinley: for we know not what we should pray for
Reader: as we ought:
Dr. Kinley: as we ought
Reader: but the Spirit itself
Dr. Kinley: but the spirit itself
Reader: maketh intercession
Dr. Kinley: maketh intercession for us
Reader: for us
Dr. Kinley: for us
Reader: with groanings
Dr. Kinley: with groanings
Reader: which can not be uttered.
Dr. Kinley: Which can not be uttered. Now prayer is an intercession made by the Holy Spirit and not as they say wrote up by some priest that you learn how to recite. Now that's why we told you go out of business, go on out of business, cause you don't know how to pray, even if someone does write out a prescription here for you and say, `oh God we thank thee for our lives' and just all kinds of nonsense. You must dispense with that hypocrisy. For we know not how to pray as we ought, but what?
Reader: but the Spirit itself
Dr. Kinley: But the, God is a spirit and we told you time and time again, over and over and over again: it's the spirit that makes the intercession for you, now that's what a prayer is, it's not a sincere desire of the heart, it's not reciting something somebody wrote in a book. What did you say that for? You can not instruct the spirit. It's the spirit in there that makes the intercession. Now that's we mean by what we say. Now you've been taught different then that all your life. Is that right?
Dr. Kinley: Can you see any difference?
Dr. Kinley: Now how could the other fellow say anything other than say you are wrong about it. Now I didn't want to get off on that but I thought it was necessary for me to point that out to you. Alright read where you are. Now then I'll show and I'll come back and show you why I'm having you to read this. You remember we're talking about that pattern.
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Dr. Kinley: Alright, read.
Reader: and he that searches the heart
Dr. Kinley: and he that searches the heart
Reader: knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,
Dr. Kinley: knoweth what is the mind of the spirit
Reader: because he maketh intercessions for
Dr. Kinley: for He maketh intercession
Reader: for the saints
Dr. Kinley: for the saints
Reader: according to
Dr. Kinley: Now hold it. Hold out there. Watch out because you can get in trouble. According to what? Read.
Reader: according to the saints, according to the will of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: He makes the intercession according to the will or according to the purpose. That's the reason why you have prayed and cried and sung the blues, and got no answer to it because it's out of harmony with the purpose. He says when you pray you ask amiss, that's why you don't receive nothing. You ask amiss because you're praying according to what you think and saying your prayers and you are asking amiss, now it's out of harmony with the purpose but it's the spirit in there and makes intercession for you, it makes the intercession according to the purpose or the will of God and it never misses or miscarries. Read
Reader: and we know that all things work together
Dr. Kinley: and we know that all things work together
Reader: for good to them that love Yahweh,
Dr. Kinley: for good to them that love Yahweh. Somebody ____ what's going on all over the world: war in VietNam and everywhere. All things work together for good according to the will and purpose of Yahweh. You understand? That's good, that's according to His purpose. And listen, the UN can not stop it. Let me, let me put it in some old cornbread, in the 12th chapter of Revelation and then I'll get back. We found that, that old dragon or that serpent called the devil was cast out of heaven. Now you go ahead and make heaven anything you want to make it but whatever you make it just remember he was cast out.
Dr. Kinley: Just remember that he was cast out of there. Go ahead and read. Whatever you decide that it is, that means he's not there, whatever you make it to be, whatever that you decide that it is: that means that he's not there. Now that's plain talk and as long as he was there, there was war in heaven, there was confusion there. Now I'm talking about what's in the 12th chapter of Revelation. John on the Isle of Patmos, he's looking and he's seeing. Listen, then he said, listen at this now, he said `Woe unto the inhabitants of the earth for he's cast down unto you.' But now listen, after he was cast out of heaven, you've got it right there in your Book, said `Now is salvation come.' We will not have anymore strife in heaven, the slate is clean. Now God did not cast him out of heaven, little old job like that. That's right. Now you got it right there in your Book and you got it in the 1st chapter of Jude. Michael and his angels fought and the dragon and his angles fought and he, Michael, cast him out. Now after Michael has cast him out: woe unto the inhabitants of earth (listen) for the accuser of the brethren is cast down unto you. Now that's why all this disturbance and war, different religious convictions and what not, is on the face of the earth is because the accuser of the brethren is cast down unto you and woe unto the inhabitants of the earth. Woe, woe, woe.
Now I started out this morning by telling you about the Douay Version of the Bible and I told you about the King James Version of it, didn't I? Didn't I tell you that? Then I told you about the massoretic text, the 70 that translated it from the original back there. Told.., tried to tell you about that, the 70 and Alexander the Great that made the first manuscript. You heard about the Dead Sea Scrolls and so forth. I don't want to get into that but what I do want to get into is this.
Now this is what I'm getting into now: cast out the dragon and Michael and his angels fought and he was cast out and no place wasn't found there any more and they were cast out down here to you. Now what do you expect to have down here on the earth? But war, you expect to have all kinds of religious doctrines, all kinds of conflicts, all kinds of notions. Now that's what's down here. Now I come along to tell you the truth about it and tell you His real name. Now the devil says that's God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Now you can't unravel no such mess as that. That don't even make sense, it's stupid. That's what you got in your King James Version and that's what you got in your Douay Version. Now we're bringing it back to you like it really is. There's nothing that the world can say that they don't have no ___ and say we're wrong because the things we're bringing to them they never heard before, they never... This school was incorporated as a school not a church, to go back in there and to tell you the reality of things and tell you the truth about it. Well now that, just like Messiah, listen at me close, you pay attention to everything I say because I'm not mincing words. I'm not trying to do what you call preach a good sermon. I'm trying to teach, I'm trying to impart to you some understanding, I'm trying to show you the errors and mistakes of mankind that's been imposed on them by the devil. I'm trying to rescue your soul. That's more important than anything else. Now that's how those things got in the world, all those different doctrines. Listen even just in a little congregation Paul said to the Corinthians said, `why is it when you come together into one place, why is it that everyone of you have a doctrine in a little handful of people, everybody in here got a different idea, different concept. You know why that was? Was because they didn't know what the ____ or the pattern, how it operates, that is where your different concepts come from, but now when you have the pattern to go by, when you understand it in it's real terms, then that's a different story. That's the thing that it takes to liberate or to free you from the clutches of all of this satanic mess down here on the earth.
And Michael cast out those angels and satanic spirits. Now let me say this so you don't get that twisted because it's necessary to say this. Now when they were in heaven they were angels, when they are cast out of heaven to a lower state or degree they are demons not angels. I thought it was necessary to ____. Now let me tell you something, when Messiah was here, He sent the boys out before He was crucified to cast those demons out of men. Both Jude and Peter say this: the angels that sinned, God has cast them down to hell, (that's your King James Version - both James and Peter) listen, and bound them in chains of darkness or ignorance, listen, to be reserved against the Day of Judgement to be punished. Did you get that?
Dr. Kinley: Now that's the reason why we tell you. Now we are not out trying to convert the devil or demons, we know better than that. There is no conversion taught. Am I making it clear? Now here's what else I want you to see there - if he has cast them down to hell (say both Jude and Peter)... May you read it.
Reader: For if Yahweh spared not the angels that sinned,
Dr. Kinley: For if Yahweh (listen, listen close) for if Yahweh spared not the angels that sinned
Reader: but cast them down to hell,
Dr. Kinley: but cast them down to hell
Reader: and delivered them into chains of darkness,
Dr. Kinley: and delivered them into chains of darkness
Reader: to be reserved unto judgement;
Dr. Kinley: to be reserved unto judgement
Reader: II Peter
Dr. Kinley: II Peter 2:4. Now listen. Watch me. Then if He sent them out to cast out of men them demoniac spirits, you ought to be able to see something about what hell is. And if it is darkness, that's confusion and ignorance up here in your mind. Where did it come from? Cast out of heaven. Woe to them that are on the earth because the accuser of the brethren is cast down to you and those satanic spirits or demonic spirits is incarnated in your mind: that's why you can't believe the truth, that's why when the truth is presented to you which you never have had, you saying, `that, that's a bunch of junk' cause you never heard it that way. ___ heard it. Now do you understand what I'm talking about? Does that make it clear? Alright that, that was Peter. Where did you read that in Peter?
Reader: II Peter 2:4
Dr. Kinley: II Peter 2:4. Now I want you to see something else right there in Peter before we go away. I want you to see who it is and I want you to look there, just check it so you can see. We don't have time for you to read the whole chapter.
Peter spake there in that II Peter chiefly. Now you listen at me Freddie, chiefly them that walk after the flesh. Read it Dr. Harris.
Reader: II Peter 2:9
Dr. Kinley: II Peter 2:9. I want you to read some of it and see what he's saying.
Reader: Yahweh knoweth how
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh knoweth how
Reader: to deliver the righteous out of temptation,
Dr. Kinley: knows how to deliver the righteous out of temptation
Reader: and to reserve
Dr. Kinley: and to reserve
Reader: the unjust
Dr. Kinley: the unjust
Reader: unto the day of judgement
Dr. Kinley: unto the day of judgement
Reader: to be punished;
Dr. Kinley: to be punished. Is that right? Read on.
Reader: But chiefly
Dr. Kinley: but chiefly
Reader: them that walk after the flesh
Dr. Kinley: them that walk after the flesh. Now look up here, look up here. Now here they are, Rome and the Protestants, walking after the flesh. Now you see what Pete says there: chiefly them that walk after the flesh. Now I want you to hold that one and get the 8th chapter of Romans. We'll be back here and get the 8th chapter of Romans.
Reader: There is therefore
Dr. Kinley: And the first verse. There is therefore
Reader: no condemnation
Dr. Kinley: no condemnation
Reader: to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah. I Corinthians 12:13. And hold what you got. 1 Corinthians 12:13
Reader: For by one spirit
Dr. Kinley: for by one spirit
Reader: are we all
Dr. Kinley: Listen. For by one spirit. Are you sure you're reading out of the Bible or an almanac or something. That's not a commentator. For by one spirit
Reader: are we all baptized
Dr. Kinley: are we all baptized. It don't make no difference whether you're Jew or gentile for by one spirit, not water, are you all baptized, into what?
Reader: one body,
Dr. Kinley: One body. Alright, read.
Reader: whether we be Jew
Dr. Kinley: whether we be Jew
Reader: or Gentile,
Dr. Kinley: or Gentile. Now does that pertain to you? Now do you see that Brother Williams?
Dr. Williams: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now you can't put nobody in no church, infants or grownups or middle age folks. It don't work like that. For by one spirit are we all baptized into
Reader: one body,
Dr. Kinley: one body. Alright, read.
Reader: whether we be Jew or
Dr. Kinley: Don't make no difference whether you Jew or Gentile.
Reader: whether we be bond or free;
Dr. Kinley: whether we be bond or free.
Reader: and have been all made to drink
Dr. Kinley: and have been all made to drink
Reader: of that one spirit.
Dr. Kinley: of that one spirit. Angles are ministering spirits, them that are cast out are satanic spirits with the multitude and diversities of doctrine. You understand? But it don't make no difference whether we're Jew or Gentiles, we're all baptized into that one body. We're all baptized.., how? By one spirit, not water Jimmy. You see it now? No you can't get around it. Now look what we were talking about. Now if, you see how you got in there, don't you? You see how everybody gets into the one body? But what is the body? The body is the congregation or the assembly which Jude speaks of as the church. Now what would you, we're gonna go back to Dr. Harris now and read the same verse that he read about - chiefly them that walk after the flesh - and now, now get back over there because I'm going to put these two together back in the 8th chapter of Romans. Alright, read.
Reader: But chiefly
Dr. Kinley: but chiefly
Reader: them that walk after the flesh
Dr. Kinley: that, chiefly them that walk after the flesh
Reader: in the lust of uncleanness,
Dr. Kinley: in the lust of uncleanness
Reader: and despise government.
Dr. Kinley: and despise or hate government
Dr. Kinley: presumptuous they are
Dr. Kinley: selfwilled
Reader: they are not afraid to revile dignitaries.
Dr. Kinley: they are not afraid to, King James Version says they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries. I'm a dignitary. I was sent to preach the gospel to you just like it is and the world out there is not afraid to speak evil of me because I'm not in harmony with what they think. They don't have no fear and the Roman Catholics have sent them around, call them heretics, my kind, and put them to death by the millions. Protestants too have did it. Apostle Paul says this, `yea and all that will live orderly in Yahshua the Messiah shall,' not maybe, `but shall be persecuted.' You understand? I can't expect nothing else but persecution and I'm not down here complaining about it either. I'm going to undergo for your sakes. Alright, read on Dr. Harris.
Reader: There is therefore now no condemnation
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, chiefly they which walk after the flesh ___. Is that what Peter said and you go on down in there and he said that Paul's prophesy, Paul's teaching and James picks it up over there and he says this, says, he's talking about that (listen at me now) that they're just like natural brute beasts, just like a natural brute beast, a cow, a horse or any beast. All they know is out in the pasture eating grass. He don't know nothing about where grass comes from and that natural appetite coincides with what's he eating. He's a natural brute beast eating to feed his belly. Have you got something like that there? Alright. I suppose you read. Now listen, we're talking about them that walk after the flesh. Read.
Reader: Whereas angels, which are greater in
Dr. Kinley: Now you see how it come down to angels which are greater in power
Reader: and might,
Dr. Kinley: and might
Reader: bring not a railing accusation
Dr. Kinley: bring not a railing accusation. Alright.
Reader: against them before Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Don't bring railing accusation against them before Yahweh, dignitaries, but what?
Reader: But these, as natural brute beasts,
Dr. Kinley: but these, these as natural brute beasts. That's why you can't see nothing but the communion, that's why you can't see nothing but a puddle of water, that's why you can't see nothing but the natural thing. Now here is the Apostle Paul speaking in the 2nd chapter of Corinthians: for the natural man he don't know spiritual things and neither can he know, it's down right foolishness to him. When you commence to talking to somebody about immersing them in the name of the Father, Yahweh, immersing them in the name of Yahshua, in the name of Elohim or the Holy Ghost. He don't know nothing about what you're talking about ___ ___ ___ because he's a natural brute beast. Don't know a thing about what you're talking about. Peter said chiefly them that walk after the flesh, a carnal mind, them satanic spirits incarnated in them bodies walking around here with all kinds of religious doctrine got the world turned upside down. Do you understand? Now if you don't understand what I mean, I mean Roman Catholics and Protestants, and Buddhist and every other kind of thing. Now that's what I'm talking about Freddie, worshipping of idols and idolatry, a lot of superstition and a lot of ignorance. When you're talking about spiritual things, you have to have the spirit to discern spiritual things. Now let me make the contrast. Read on down a little further, I'll make the contrast.
Reader: But these, as natural brute beasts,
Dr. Kinley: but these as natural brute beasts
Reader: made to be taken
Dr. Kinley: Listen, made to be taken. Alright, read on.
Reader: and destroyed,
Dr. Kinley: and destroyed
Reader: speak evil of the things that they understand not;
Dr. Kinley: speak evil of things that they don't understand. When I'm talking about baptizing you in the name and he can't see nothing but a puddle of water, nothing else for him to do but to speak evil of me (that's right) because he can't see nothing else but a puddle of water. And I'm telling you and I'm giving you that bread which is the spirit and he's standing up there talking abut eating a wafer and drinking grape juice, there's nothing else for him to do but speak evil of me and say I'm wrong. You get it now? Are you following? Is anything getting over to you? Alright read. I am reading it out of the Bible. Alright Dr. Harris.
Reader: and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.
Dr. Kinley: and they shall.., listen, they was made to be taken and destroyed. That man is gonna be destroyed. Listen. Don't the potter have power to make one vessel unto honor and the other unto dishonor? Now you got 9 different gifts there. And here you've sat. You are supposed to be able to understand the gift of prophesy, you're supposed to be able to understand the gift of tongues, and the interpretation of tongues, you have another gift, the gift of discerning of spirits. Can't you discern the difference between somebody taking about, giving you some crackers and grape juice, somebody dunking you in a puddle of water? Can't you discern the difference? Do you see it? Alright, read.
Reader: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
Dr. Kinley: And they will receive the reward of unrighteousness. Read on.
Reader: as they that count it pleasure
Dr. Kinley: they count it pleasure, they take great pride, great pleasure. Alright, read.
Reader: and they that count it pleasure to riot
Dr. Kinley: and they count it pleasure to riot with you in the daily ministration. Always somebody wants an opportunity to come down here and tell you how you oughta take the grape juice and how you oughta put somebody in the water. Take great pleasure going to come down here and learn and teach us something. Then got the nerve, don't want us to pay him for it ___ ___ ___, pay `em for it and the more ___ ___ that have around here they call that preaching a great sermon, so then you run your hands deep in your pocket. They tell you. `help the Lord along,' (that's right) them vessels made to be taken and destroyed. Those are those satanic spirits incarnated in physical bodies. They can't understand nothing, only something natural. They don't understand nothing about the spirit, sounds like foolishness to them. You're talking way off yonder in the 7th dimension so far as they're concerned, they don't know what you're talking about. You have to put something out here he can put their hands on. Something he can ___, something he can taste. Do you see what I'm talking about?
Dr. Kinley: Now just like you go to put something down here he can touch and taste. You got to put some greenbacks in there, something he can spend. You understand that, don't you? Something he can go down to the grocery and buy a loaf of bread with. just like that bread he give `em here, just like that water he give `em here. Understand? That ought not to be hard, you ought to be able to understand that. Alright read on a little further, Dr. Harris.
Reader: Spots they are
Dr. Kinley: Spots they are
Reader: and blemishes,
Dr. Kinley: and blemishes
Reader: sporting themselves with their own deceivings
Dr. Kinley: sporting themselves with their own deceivings
Reader: while they feast with you;
Dr. Kinley: Puffed up in his carnal mind, reading around chapters and verses in the Bible and don't know one gosh thing about it. Sporting. All, all in style, he has his collar turned backwards, his regalia and his robe on. He's an important ____ with his clergy vest on, pants all creased and all. And his pulpit decorum. You know what I mean by pulpit decorum. It's unimpeachable. It's ____ moral. Now let me show you what I'm talking about because some of you don't know. He must keep his coat buttoned up. I don't care how hot it is, all wrapped up there, his shirt and collar turned, all, collar turned all backwards, him all wrapped up in his clergy vestments and garments and all. And then his speech, it's highly academic. He speaks fluently, his genuflectuation, his gestures. They are out there. He's first in extemporaneous oratory. Yes indeed. He speaks fluently. He doesn't make blunders. He's educated to the utmost degree. He is classified as a ____. He is a walking lexicographer, he's a master of language, his diction is profound.
Dr. Kinley: That oughta be almost enough ___ ___ ___. And you call that great and glorifying the devil for a rolls royce. Now I don't get cadillacs or no rolls royce but I do think I'm just about as much entitled to one as he is.
Dr. Kinley: Coming down here and telling you the truth but instead of me getting somewhere, you know I get stoned. They're hunting me to put me to death, classifying me as a heretic. That's right. Alright read on Dr. Harris.
Reader: Having eyes full of adultery,
Dr. Kinley: having eyes full of adultery
Reader: and can not cease from sin;
Dr. Kinley: and that can not cease from sin. Do you know what adultery is? Idolatry. They think that's when some man going over here getting..., it's just naturally get to be that way cause they don't know nothing ____. They think that, that some man, he got a divorce from this women and went on over there and married another. Adultery. Now that's what adultery is to them. Eyes full of adultery. Listen when you've got a , listen, the congregation or the church is the bride of Christ, and when you leave the genuine, when you leave the genuine..., then you're in adultery. That's what adultery is, that's what idolatry is. Do you understand?
Dr. Kinley: When he can't see it as being nothing else. Listen, there never has been a stipulation, where a woman with a satanic spirit in her or a man with a satanic spirit incarnated in him, a woman is under no obligation to nothing like that and neither is a man under any obligation to nothing like that. Don't you believe that? If you don't I will read it to you out of the Bible. If you don't think it's there I'll read. Anybody don't think it's there hold up your hand. If anybody that's in this audience that thinks that's its there and you never knew it and never read it before, and you'd like to have it read, hold up your hand. I want some more, I don't want no 1, I want everyone. 7th chapter of 1st Corinthians. Alright now we can find it, time is going on, you'll be complaining about being kept too late pretty soon. Alright read. 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians.
Reader: Art thou bound unto a wife?
Dr. Kinley: Art thou bound unto a wife
Reader: seek not to be loosed.
Dr. Kinley: Seek not to be loosed
Reader: Art thou loosed from a wife?
Dr. Kinley: Art thou loosed from a wife
Reader: seek not a wife.
Dr. Kinley: Don't seek a wife.
Reader: but if thou marry,
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute Dr. Now if you're bound to a wife, don't seek one but if you're loosed from a wife don't seek one. Now he's writing to the Corinthians. Then I told you those men that were up there, they were Jews that was teaching the Gentiles. I told you that the other night. Alright read on.
Reader: But if thou marry, thou hast not sinned;
Dr. Kinley: but if thou marry, thou hast not sinned
Reader: and if
Dr. Kinley: but, hold it. But if thou marry thou hast not sinned. Alright read.
Reader: and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, where did you start?
Reader: I started at the 28th verse
Dr. Kinley: Try the 1st verse or 2nd verse, try that.
Reader: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote
Dr. Kinley: Now they wrote him an epistle and they asked him about it. Now he's fixing to give some answers to them. Now concerning the things that you wrote to him about. Alright read.
Reader: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
Dr. Kinley: It is good for a man not to touch a woman
Dr. Kinley: nevertheless
Reader: to avoid fornication,
Dr. Kinley: to avoid fornication
Reader: let every man have his own wife,
Dr. Kinley: let every man have his own wife
Reader: let every woman have her own husband.
Dr. Kinley: let every woman have her own husband
Reader: let the husband render, render unto the wife
Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Reader: due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Reader: The wife hath not power of her own body,
Dr. Kinley: Alright.
Reader: but the husband:
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Reader: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
Dr. Kinley: um hum.
Reader: Refuse ye not one the other,
Dr. Kinley: Get Romans, read the 1st, the 7th chapter of Romans and the 1st and 2nd.
Reader: Know ye not, brethren,
Dr. Kinley: um hum
Reader: (for I speak to them that know the law,)
Dr. Kinley: Now that's what I want to talk about: know the law. Now he's got it in both places over here, but we want to get right at the cardinal point. We don't want to waste no words. Brethren, I speak to them that know the law. Now did you know the law? Does the Gentile know the law?
Dr. Kinley: Now he's writing an epistle, and he's speaking to them that know the law. What about the law?
Reader: how that the law hath dominion over a man
Dr. Kinley: How that the law hath dominion over a man
Reader: as long as he liveth?
Dr. Kinley: as long as he lives
Reader: for the woman which hath a husband
Dr. Kinley: for the woman which hath a husband
Reader: is bound by the law
Dr. Kinley: is bound by the law
Reader: to her husband
Dr. Kinley: to her husband
Reader: so long as he liveth;
Dr. Kinley: so long as he lives. Now wait a minute, this is the way it was in the law. Now let me, let me get this over to you. Now you may think that this is out of harmony with what we have been talking about. Peter said chiefly they which walk after the flesh and them that chiefly walk after the flesh, they do mind the things of the flesh and I haven't got around to tying that down good and hard ___ ___ yet.
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Dr. Kinley: I'm saving that. You remember I told you about the 8th chapter of Romans. Now I'm going back to put them things together too and I wouldn't miss this for nothing in the world. I would not miss that for nothing in the world. Now look, look up on this chart here. To the law and to the testimony, Isaiah 8:20. Now whenever you try to tell a idiot something, he'll say to you that `in this dispensation, we're not living under the law, we're living under the dispensation of grace.' Ain't that what he tells you. Ain't that what all of them are saying out there. But now, you have to come back to the law. You have to come back to the law for you to know what's encouched in the law, that goes for the prophesy for you to know that. Now Paul said, now I'm speaking to them that know the law, the Gentiles didn't know it, but he's talking to them that's up there at Corinth that knew the law and they were Jews, how that the law had said as long as a man lives, he's under what?
Reader: For the woman which hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband
Dr. Kinley: Now, I said I want the man under the law.
Reader: but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Dr. Kinley: But if the husband be dead as long... Listen, you just almost have to go back to this business in order to see it. The man under the law, as long as the man was alive and living, he was living under the law, he was obligated to do like the law said or abide by the consequences, stoned to death (you understand?) under the dispensation of the law, which was given here, and those were Jews, as long as he lives. Is that right? Is that what you, is that what you read? Alright read.
Reader: but if the husband be dead,
Dr. Kinley: but now if the husband be dead
Reader: she is loosed from the law of her husband;
Dr. Kinley: She's loosed from the law of her husband. That's the way it was under the dispensation of the law. Alright read.
Reader: So then
Dr. Kinley: So then
Reader: if, while her husband liveth,
Dr. Kinley: if while her husband liveth
Reader: she be married to another man,
Dr. Kinley: she be married to another man
Reader: she shall be called an adulteress:
Dr. Kinley: she just shall be called an adulteress. Now that's the way it was under the law. Right?
Dr. Kinley: Alright read.
Reader: but if her husband be dead,
Dr. Kinley: but if her husband be dead
Reader: she is free from that law;
Dr. Kinley: she's free from that law
Reader: so that she is no adulteress,
Dr. Kinley: so that she is no adulteress
Reader: though she be married to another man.
Dr. Kinley: though she be married to another man. Is that right? Now look up here, all of you. This man was born under the law, born of a woman (Galatians 4:4) born under the law to redeem them that are under the law. Now you heard me didn't you?
Dr. Kinley: Now that woman she had the devil in her and so also didn't that man. Alright. Now there is the flesh. Wasn't no need of him going out or her, either one, and getting another woman or another man cause it was the same thing all the way. And it's the same thing now as far as I'm concerned.
Dr. Kinley: All you do is jump right out of the frying pan right in the fire. Ain't no need of getting loose from one devil to get another one.
Dr. Kinley: Now put it down straight like it oughta be. That's the flesh. Hi Rip. Put it down that's all you got. Listen carefully cause I want you to see what I'm talking about, but this God said He was the husbandman under the law (that's the 31st chapter of Jeremiah) said He was a good husband to them. He gave them food there in the wilderness and all and I want you to see while I'm talking, I want you to see how I'm pointing out these devils with these collars turned backwards. How, how'd they see things and they see this, just like they see this communion business like they see this baptizement, they're totally unconscious of the fact that all of us, so far as the flesh is concerned, God made all nations to dwell on the face of the earth, of one blood and one flesh. There is no difference, are you following me now? Do you see what I'm talking about? Now here's the Messiah born, born of a woman, born under the law to redeem them that are under it. Now you just got through reading - but if her husband be dead. Is the right? Is that right?
Dr. Kinley: Now do you mean to tell me that he didn't die out here. Is that what you wanna argue? Husbandman, God was manifested in the flesh, all that God had ___ and He died to redeem us from under the law. Now, here, that's how Paul described it as in the 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians but on this side of the cross we're not in the flesh, we are walking after the spirit, not after the flesh. No one is under no obligations to no man just because he's got on a pair of pants, she's not under any obligation to you with the devil incarnated in you and neither is no woman, man obligated to no woman. What you would be doing would just simply be serving the devil. Do you understand? But now in the 7th chapter of 1st Corinthians, that's where we started to read. Now listen closely, said but the unbelieving wife is sanctified by her husband, else are your children unclean and likewise the wife is sanctified, the husband is sanctified by the wife.
In short to make it clean so you can understand what we're talking about... Now some of you got wives won't come down here, some of you got husbands won't come down here as you call it. They say we're preaching and teaching a bunch of junk. You can't go home and have no peace at home at all. `I'm the man, I got on the breeches around here.' And the civil law backs him up in it too. You can't, you can't do nothing with the argument. She dictates to you and tells you where you go and some of us, some of us are called panty waists, wife tells us what to do or what not to do. Husbands we think that we have the right to tell the wife what to do as we call it and we're just plum brutal and we think that that's right and it should be that way, and the Roman Catholic Church teaches it that way too. But listen, Paul said there that a brother or a sister is
Reader: not under bondage in such cases.
Dr. Kinley: Not under bondage in such cases. If you got the spirit in you even though you're a woman, got on the, the dress, you're, you're not in no bondage or nothing like that. What makes the difference is the satanic spirit incarnated in a physical body and it doesn't make any difference whether it's a male or female. There is no such in Yahshua the Messiah, there is neither bond nor free, male nor female but we are one, of one spirit. We're not married to the flesh, we're not united in the flesh, it's the spirit. Now if you can get the spirit in the person then you can have some harmony, you can have some peace at home. You're not gonna have no peace at home until you get that there. Now if the woman, she comes and she gets sanctified first, sanctification just means separation, separating from the things that are wrong and evil. Consecrated. You get the point? And she learns something about it first. Well now, look, if she really loved her husband, what she'd do, she'd go and try and show her husband the, the real spiritual meaning that he might have the spirit in him. And if he should happen to learn something about the truth, if he loved that woman as a opposite sex, he'd go and show her, then there wouldn't be friction between `em and they could get along in perfect harmony so far as the will of the Lord is concerned. Now did I explain that?
Dr. Kinley: That's what He died for out here. This is the flesh out here. Now I'm coming on down now, I'm coming down now, I'm coming down, but the real truth about it is, what you got is: you just got yourself a piece of paper. That's all you got. That's not what a marriage is, it didn't start out like that way. And there will be no divorce because back there this women is in that man. And God took the women out of the man. Now what we're trying to do now down here is get her back in there, so that they can be one, not anthropomorphic, but get her back in there so they will be one flesh (they're already one flesh) but they'll be of one spirit. Now that's what we're after.
And listen some of these women you can't stay there with them, you've got to go somewhere, and some of these men, you can not stay there, you've got to go whether you want to or not. Read, please. There's no other alternative and it would be better for you to go than it would be for you to shot or kill somebody and then have to go to court. It would be better for you to get your hat or something else and get on out of there and the sooner the better. Now that's what we teach down here. And if she takes a notion to be married or he takes a notion to be married, go on back and live with that woman, but there has to be something take place, there has to be a conversion first and as long as there's no conversion there's gonna be no peace. Do you get it now? Now here I am, to make a parable, now here I am, I have the spirit in me. I'm, I'm trying to tell it so you can understand it. Now there's no way under the sun for me to go along in harmony and unity with these other churches. We're at war together, and we're gonna fight it right down to the nose. There's no potential possibility under any circumstances or conditions for us to get reconciled together, we will never be. Now do you understand what I'm talking about?
Dr. Kinley: Now did you see, I was talking about the flesh, Israel after the flesh and Israel after the spirit over here. Now did you see that? Now then this is where the divorce comes in. Now that she's divorced from the flesh, now she's married in the spirit. That's what happened to the, the, the woman and the man.
They are both..., got the same spirit and live in perfect harmony and hope. Now the spirit rules the roost in you and in me, male and female, it makes no difference so far as sex is concerned. Now do you understand what I'm talking about? Now that, now that ought not hard to be understood. Do, do you see that now? Now let me, let me explain further. Now Dr. Harris, you read chiefly them that walk after the flesh, isn't that right?
Dr. Harris: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that what you read?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Alright. Now we went on to describe. What did you say there anyway?
Reader: chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness
Dr. Kinley: in the lust of uncleanness, read, read so we can catch the continuity of thought.
Reader: and despise government
Dr. Kinley: and despise government
Dr. Kinley: presumptuous
Dr. Kinley: selfwilled
Reader: they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries
Dr. Kinley: they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries. Read on.
Reader: whereas angels which are greater in power and might
Dr. Kinley: whereas angels which are greater. Read on.
Reader: in power and might
Dr. Kinley: in power and might
Reader: bring not railing accusations against Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: bring not railing accusations against... Is that right? Alright.
Reader: but these as natural brute beasts
Dr. Kinley: but these as natural brute beasts
Reader: need to be taken
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. See this fella is married to the flesh here instead of to the spirit. This man and this woman. And this preacher up here, he don't know nothing else but the natural, giving you all of it, they call this the consecrated host, giving you the biscuits, this sacredness and the grape juice, baptizing them in the pool, washing feet; in other words keeping the ordinances that was under the law which He died to fulfill to move that out of the way so that we could get at what this pointed to: the spirit here. Now He's died to move all of that and now we're in the spirit of it or the law was a schoolmaster to bring us to the spirit. Everything back here, he did natural to bring us to the meaning, the genuine meaning of it in the spirit. Israel back here, they just didn't have the Holy Spirit. Israel over here, they're one in the spirit. They was one in the flesh there, they're one in the spirit here. Does that, does that make sense? Do you see through what I'm talking about? Now He died, died, and now then we should be married to another. We're divorced from the one and married to another. And I do mean married and look, without a divorce, there will be ___ ___. You can't get no divorce in the spirit. Do you see, understand what I'm talking about? Do you see what I'm talking about?
Now there's just no sense, just no sense whatsoever in you running out here, take the thing either way you want to, running out there getting another woman, or women running out there getting another man, just jumping right out of the frying pan right in the fire. Both ways, if you don't have the Holy Spirit rest assured you can't make it. She can't make it with you and you can't make it with her and the next thing is a divorce coming up but when we get the Holy Spirit then that's it, then there will be no divorce, that is the flesh, this is the spirit. Now you see that's the flesh. Peter said, chiefly them that walk after the flesh. Now do you see why you can't get along, do you see what's wrong? Do you see what's wrong? See where all the disturbances here?
Paul said over there in Timothy and in Titus says, `husbands,' (5th chapter of Ephesians too) he says, says `husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word.' (listen folks) `that He might present it unto Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle.' or anything. These natural are spots in your feast of charity. That you don't have no spots and you don't have no wrinkles (you got ___ ___ about) that He might present it unto Hisself a glorious church without any spots or without any wrinkles because that is His bride. She must be spotless, she must be. Now listen, and if you look right down at the last 2 verses of it, same 5th chapter of Ephesians, he said but this is a great mystery.
Dr. Kinley: Somebody thought he was talking about ___ and his old lady but no, I beg your pardon that was not what he was talking about. He said, but this is a great mystery but that's the conjunction that joins them together, but I speak concerning Yahshua and the church or, and His bride. Do you see what I mean?
Dr. Kinley: Isn't that wonderful? Truthfully and I say any man or any woman that has the spirit, genuine spirit, I say he does love his wife, just telling somebody to love one another, that won't help. When God told them that back there under the law, the first and second commandment, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all the heart, soul, mind, and strength. And the second is like unto it, your neighbor as yourself. Just told them something, they never did do that and when the Messiah was around with His disciples and went clear on through His ministry and when He got down to the end of it, he said, `now I'll give you a new commandment that you should love one another.' Why didn't He tell them that in the first place? It wasn't that there was anything new about it, but it was a new one He gave to them, but it was an old one. The reason why He didn't give it to them in the first place, He knew they didn't love one another and said to Peter, said, `lovest thou me more than these.' He said, `yes Lord.' Ain't that right?
Dr. Kinley: You can't love nothing with the wrong thing in you, them satanic spirits, they keep you divided, keep some kind of friction going all the time. Now a piece of paper from the courts ain't gonna fix it, neither way. It ain't gonna make you man and wife, a piece of paper, and neither is that, when you go back and get the divorce that's still.., it's just as broad as it is long. What's the use of going down there and paying for a piece of paper to get together and all like a that? Now that's why you have to go right back. And look these divorces of today, they're, they're too costly. Most of you when you get one you, you can't pay, you can't pay to get away from her, you got to keep her anyhow. Then go and marry somebody else, and if you got that then they charge you with bigamy and you can't stand that. I'm just giving it to you straight, it sounds bad, yes, I know it does but that's the way it is. Lawyers got to make some money. But if you get the spirit in you, you ___ (it's in your Bible, ___ ___ Bible, isn't it?) but without it you can't make it. She may be as beautiful as she can be, she may even won a beauty contest but there will be nothing good. The man, he may be a fashion plate, and plenty of money, a millionaire getting, getting them ___. They got the money to buy anything and just as unhappy as they can be. Now the truth is the light of the world, money won't do it. It takes the spirit in them. Now we're talking about chiefly they that walk after the flesh, alright now I want you to read over here to see what kind they were. You seen where them devils was cast out, them satanic spirits, that's causing all this confusion on earth, about everything you can think of. Now you see it? Alright, now read. 8th chapter of Romans the 1st verse.
Reader: Therefore now
Dr. Kinley: Therefore now, remember I told you we was coming back here, said chiefly them that walk after the flesh, they're spots in your feast, they're murmuring and they're complaining and they're never able to, just not to be straightened up, not at all. One says it's this way and another saying it's that way and another one saying it's this way. They tried to take the communion together, there in Springfield, and we raised so much sand there in Springfield, didn't we, Dr. Gross?
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: Way back yonder years ago until the Baptist Church said, said, `well now look we're gonna do this thing right.' They was losing their members all everywhere. We had around 350 in just a, a class, and look we kept a finger right on what was in the Book, they couldn't say it wasn't in the Book. I know what it's all about. And then what they did was they got their little grape juice and little separate cups. Got a whole ___ ___, and little separate cups, so that they could go around and then they said, now they went down this aisle and passed them out them cups, and went on that side. Man says, `hold it, hold it, don't, don't, don't, don't take no taste of it.' And they got the bread. `Now everybody got the bread? Everybody got the... It says there in the 11th chapter of 1st Corinthians, one takes before the other his own supper, and one is hungry and another is drunken, but we're going to break this up. We're passing around the cup, hold it, and we're gonna all take it together.' There's no way to do it right. When they got it all together, then you got to have the count down. `Everybody got the grape juice? Everybody got your bread? ___ ___ Alright, we'll all take it together so one don't take before the other.' Then comes the count down. `Alright, raise it up. 1, 2, 3, go.' Now you know that's plum stupid. Now didn't they do that Doc?
Dr. Gross: That's right.
Dr. Kinley: You were there. There's no way to fix it but as I'm giving this bread out to you, the spirit is the true bread, he that ministers unto you does he do it by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith. Nobody's never been saved like that. So now here you are ___ faith, he that ministers unto you the spirit, that's what we're ministering unto you is the spirit, and everybody in the audience can hear, by the hearing of faith you believe in the promise of God. All of you ___ ___ ___, now somebody may say, `well, look, I don't believe that stuff.' but that's alright. That's alright. You get ___ ___ ___ ___ altogether ___ ___ beat `em or kill `em too. Now if any one ___
Audience: That's right, that's right.
Dr. Kinley: Now therefore, there is therefore, listen at it now, there is therefore no condemnation, now you, now let me, let me put it back together. Now you read in 1 Corinthians, the 12th chapter the 13th verse, he said, by one spirit and I said not water, are we all baptized into the one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, in this present dispensation, the dispensation of grace. Do you understand now? Don't make any difference.
Now look, all of these carnal, natural things, all the disputes and debates and everything that's carnal. And these folks trying to figure out how to get the communion together and then when it comes to baptism, say, `well you haven't been baptized right.' One says, `I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ and that's sufficient.' Another one come along and said, `no it ain't, you got to be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.' And years ago, if you know the history, this is what they did, they took a man up and baptize, 1 - bring him back up, that's in the name of the Father; down he went again, that's in the name of the Son; down he went again the 3rd time and that's in the name of the Holy Ghost in water. When you got down to frailing and fraggeling around there and then ___ ___ and he hasn't said nothing about what the name of the Father was cause he don't know what it was. He said the name of the Father, God, and that's not His name. When you get down to it, when you get down to it, it's just simply a bunch of foolishness. Now Peter said, Paul is saying here, them that have been baptized and made to drink of that same spiritual drink, we are one in the spirit. Now it could be somebody sitting in the audience that don't have the spirit. Well he's not in the body, many in the congregation not sanctified. They've been ___ ___ alright in there, they just don't ..., that isn't always their fault for the simple reason why, they've been taught contrary.
And a lot of these people out there, they're doing the best they know how to do, doing everything the preacher said; running the hand in his pocket, and listen, give... (do you know what I'm talking about?) give until it hurts. Go home and their little baby running around right there ___ and all that, don't have hardly milk and food because, just because he's doing his duty, paying his 10%, and paying his just due in church. The price of commodities and tax and everything else is so high until he can't hardly make a living, way to live, and there that satanic spirit incarnated in a physical body with all of his elaborations and all that kind of thing are walking after the flesh in the natural things. And you trying to do everything that you know how to do, live the best you know how. And you just as hungry as you can...
Now the time is come when you're gonna put down the truth and let the devil go on back where he come from. Somebody get talking about this, said, `that ain't the way it ought to be, I ain't going back down there ___, I'm going on, that ain't the way I heard it.' No that's.., you're right about it. That is not the way you heard it, the way we teach it here. We're fully conscious of that but we want you to know the truth. There is therefore now, listen, listen now, you remember Peter said chiefly they that walk after the flesh, Jude said so too, said they was clouds tossed by the wind and doctrine, wells without water, raging waves of the sea, trees that don't bear no fruit, they just don't have the spirit. Ain't that in your Book? Is reserved to the day of judgement to be... Those are those satanic spirits that was cast down, they can't see what you're talking about. You say, `don't you see?' No, he don't see. How can a blind man see. It takes the spirit in there to illuminate his understanding. He can't see through spiritual things. You talk about how ___, but now by one spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, it's by one spirit, Williams, not water. Remember when we had the debate, well they kept putting water in it. When you take to them Matthew 28:19, baptize `em in the name of the Father and the name of the Son and the name..., you can't put water in it to save your life, it's not in the Book. He says, `well, I don't see nothing else to baptize me in but water, you can't baptize him in the Holy Ghost.' He don't see how a thing like that can happen but he that believeth on me as the scriptures hath said out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John explains it, this spake he of the spirit, at the time that he spoke the spirit which was not yet given. On the Day of Pentecost it was the Holy Spirit that was speaking through them, said, `repent everyone of you and be baptized in the name ....
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