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13)  SEPTEMBER 24, 1972:


by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley

Los Angeles, California

recorded by Edna Law

1 90 minute audio cassette

CATALOG #: 72.0924

transcribed by Gary Leach and Cathy Fenti

proofread by Gerry Rothstein and Michael Rothstein

proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee:  1996


1.  …indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.

2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.

3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you see what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).

4. ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable

5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.

Dr. Kinley: Good morning, I just wanna make a few remarks, call your attention to some things. And as I quite frequently say, people put their finger on things in the Bible, read a verse and then make it to be foolishness. Now, we had the 3rd chapter of John read, and it says there, no man has ascended into heaven. Now this is Yahshua the Messiah talking to Nicodemus. Nicodemus was a ruler of the Jews, and of the Sanhedrin Council, which I mean by that he was a ruler or an elder of seventy. Now He said, no man has ascended into heaven save the Son of Man which is come down from heaven. Suppose you read.

Reader: And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.

Dr. Kinley: Now you’ve got in heaven there. Now, are reading out of the Holy Name Bible?

Reader: Holy Name.

Dr. Kinley: Read on.

Reader: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up. That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For Yahweh so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Dr. Kinley: Have everlasting life. Now, this is what I wanna tell you, since we’ve been talking about entering in, and a coming out of these veils. I wanna make it real good and clear to you so you can understand. Now no man has ascended into heaven. Now somebody will read the Bible and they’ll say, ‘well what about Enoch? What about Elijah? Says there he ascended into heaven in a chariot of fire and threw his mantle back on to Elisha.’ Is that right?

Student Body: Right

Dr. Kinley: ‘What about them?’ Now here comes Yahshua the Messiah says He hasn’t seen anything of them up there. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now how do you think that? Now if you noticed, He said that He was coming down. Right?

Student Body: Right.

Dr. Kinley: I want you to see this now. Didn’t anyone see Him come down. Now how about that one. Now I wanna tell you how He came down. He came down through 63 generations. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Yes indeed here He is. And you have confirmation of that by those cranial nerves, 63 of them. Am I almost half way right about that. Now you don’t see them come down. Do you?

Student Body: No.

Dr. Kinley: No. That right? Now, we were discussing about going in this side of the vail in the tabernacle. And then as Dr. Mitchell told you, I said, ‘no, this side.’ The high priest.., well, now there could be a lot of controversy still yet going on in the minds of the people about such things. Right?

Student Body: Right.

Dr. Kinley: Now if He come down that way and they didn’t see Him come down through 63 generations… Now if you wanna get straightened out on that, look at the 3rd chapter of Luke and the last verse. Now we don’t have time to read all the…

Reader: which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of Elohim.

Dr. Kinley: Now he was the Son of ‘Elohim’ in the flesh. Now 63 generations of Him, here comes the Messiah, I mean through the loins of a woman. Now before when He was back there with Moses He didn’t come through no loins of no woman. But now I want to point this out to you, that He told that woman back there (now are you listening? Are you real sure you’re listening?) and Moses was listening right at Him when He told her that she should bring forth children. Isn’t that right? And of course it was coming from, from Adam, which come from her, come from him; in other words the woman come from the man. And the posterity come through the seed. Now then, it’s…, we’ve told you this time and time again that that serpent’s head would bruise his heel and it’s heel would bruise his head. Is that right? Now if you’re gonna talk about him going in on the left hand side… Now ____ ____ ____ down. Now here is what I, here’s what I want you, this is what I want you to see. Look in the 7th chapter of Acts of the Apostles when Stephen was stoned to death. See what he said there. He’s looking up and he saw the vision and he said he saw Him standing at where?

Student Body: Right hand.

Dr. Kinley: Right hand, which means that now He has fulfilled all of that and has come on down through them generations. So now then he’s got to be at the right hand. Now this is what I’m talking about. When He ascended that’s on the Mount of Olives, get that in the 1st chapter of Acts, into heaven. Then you read this morning, in the vail, about Him appearing within the vail, that is to say, within the vail, that is to say what? Now, not not, I want everybody to understand now what we’re talking about so we won’t have a whole lotta interrogations and questions about it. In through the vail, that is to say through the flesh. Is that what Stephen said? Read it. Now be quick, I don’t wanna be up here too long, I want to let someone preach to you.

Reader: And said, behold, I see the heavens opened and the son of…

Dr. Kinley: Stand up and, and, and a lotta times people can’t hear back there.

Reader: Acts 7:56 and said, behold I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley: Right hand. So he ascended. Now we’re talking about a descent and an ascent. Alright, thank you Dr. Gross. Now read there in the Acts of Apostles. I mean in Hebrews about the things that it says enter into the, the, through the flesh. Now here’s what I’m telling you. Now listen. Listen close now. And this is how you miss the boat.

Reader: Hebrews 10:20.

Dr. Kinley: Hebrews 10:20. Read.

Reader: 19th verse. Having therefore, brethren, liberty to enter into the Holiest place by the blood of Yahshua by a new and living way which he has consecrated for us through the vail, that is to say, his flesh.

Dr. Kinley: That is to say, his flesh. Now when he died and resurrected out there, no more flesh. Now he entered in through the vail, that is to say, His flesh. I tried my best to tell you every kinda way I know how that Yahshua the Messiah or the Holy Spirit in you. Whereas Yahweh said that he was gonna put it in the New Testament or in that New Covenant. And while we’re on that too, I wanna make this clear to you: that was not a covenant that was made with the house, I mean with the gentiles. The New Covenant nor the old wasn’t made with the gentiles, made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Is that almost right? And you according, as Dr. Mitchell preached so hard on this morning, you come in by the promise that He made to Abraham that through his seed He would bless all of the families of the earth. Is that almost right? Now we wanna get through this vail, you wanna understand this thing. Now I want you to go over to Matthew 27, I think it’s 52. Now I want you to see how this vail is a.., is fixed up. And I want you to see what happened. You tell me now, whether it was rented from the bottom to the top or from the top to the bottom. Try reading it.

Reader: And behold, the vail of the temple was torn in twain from the top to the bottom.

Dr. Kinley: Now it’s from the top to the bottom. How did that happen? Is because, now those curtains out here and in there too, was hung, and they hung down from the top and that signifies the flesh. Well when He resurrected from the, or from the dead, now the vail was ripped completely out, a new and living way. And He entered on through the vail, that is to say through His flesh. And He entered on back into heaven. Now listen, He came down from heaven. Now he didn’t come down on this side over here, can’t do that. So now He’s got to, Okay, He’s got to go enter in, I mean straight in too, I don’t mean on the side either, I mean straight up there, but that vail has got to be ripped out. Now that’s the thing that we can’t learn. Now here’s why we can’t learn it, because we can’t see within the vail.

But if you get up and start your mouth to running then it won’t be long before somebody gonna see through you. Yes sir, they’re gonna see through you just as sure as shooting.

Now we had a person here the other night. They read all around in the Bible. We ain’t got no argument with the Bible, course we know there’s interpolations and mistranslations in it. Then by reading, now these people know what’s in a Bible, what’s the matter with you. There ain’t anybody in here that can’t read. Someone up there just saying I, I would, I’d be surprised to find anybody in here that couldn’t read. Now listen Bill, you can’t read nothing out of this Bible that I can’t read out of it. And I can’t read nothing out of it that you can’t read out of it. Now how about that?

So when he got through with it, ____ ____ I said listen, anybody in this room that disagrees with what that man read out of the Bible, stand up. So if you get up, they can look around too. We don’t have no disagreement with you. They swear that you can read just as well out of this Bible as anybody else. That’s not where the problem is. That’s not where, that’s not where the problem is. And we’ve told you time and time again, this is not a Bible reading, scripture quoting contest. That’s not what this is.

Oh, I could tell you some things yet that would almost straighten your hair. That’s right. For those of us who don’t have real straight hair and those of us who have straight hair they’d stand it almost on their ends. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now since I’ve come to think about it, I think I’ll tell you something about it. If they’re laying it down as well as they did before where we did before. Oh me, oh my, can you tell me how this happened? Now you have the 7th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles don’t you? Alright now, I want you to listen now. Now don’t be trying to read, because now, I’ll tell you where it is at. I think you’ll find this over there in the 3rd chapter of Exodus. Now listen. Dr. Gross is fixing to botch up something else here. ____ ____ Now they didn’t know, the people did not know that, that the tent of the tabernacle of the congregation that the assembly, it was brought out of Egypt. They, they didn’t know that. Now I didn’t say the tabernacle, I said the tent of the tabernacle. Now listen Freddie, what I wanna say now. Now you’ve got the bread in you, and you missed the boat, and this kind of thing and somebody comes back and tell you something about it. Say, ‘well, why didn’t you tell us about it before now?’ Well it wasn’t time. I can’t tell you something until Yahweh tells me to tell you. How about that? Yahshua the Messiah at the transfiguration, and from that time forward he began to tell them about how he got to go up to Jerusalem and to suffer and to die. He didn’t tell them before. Is that what the Book said? Then finally by and by He told them for this cause came I into the world to die. Now how,about that? But they didn’t know it and He didn’t tell them till after the transfiguration. Right? Now look, the tent of the tabernacle was pitched back here at the back side of the mount, that they brought up out of Egypt, and the cloud stood there. Are you listening now? And it was pitched afar off (I’d like you to get that afar off too) from the rest of the assembly. No Moses ____, they were not right there camping around with the rest of them. It’s on the back side of the mountain and afar off from the camp. Can you read that in the Book? Now look, when He took Moses up in the mountain and showed him the tabernacle. Now this is what He told him, He told him to take an offering of the Children of Israel and build Him a sanctuary so that He might dwell among them. How about that?

Now then, when the sanctuary or tabernacle was builded then, and, and consecrated and all, then that cloud that brought them up out of Egypt, the cloud that hung over the top of Mount Sinai (there goes Your hair-raiser) it come on down over the top of that tabernacle, and they couldn’t minister in it. And it was the same way in the temple too, because the temple was filled with smoke or with incense. They couldn’t minister in it at all. Now are you listening? Are you sure you’re listening? Well, right there is where the shechinah enters in. Which side did he go in? How did he get in? But he entered in, and listen here, I want to get this one over to you too, so you can take this one home with you. Now Joshua, after he crossed over the River Jordan and went into Palestine and set that tabernacle out there on Mount Sion. Of course it was 20 years in and out ____, but there was ____ going on. Joshua had gathered all the elders of Israel together at Shechem. You’ll find I think that around about the 24th chapter of Joshua. And He told them about what all that He had did down there in the land of Egypt.

Now if you wanna argue with Him and say He wasn’t down there, but when you read over here in, in Exodus and all, the first thing you, the first place you read him, He’s out there fighting against the Amalekites. The problem is they missed that. They read about Him that he was down here, on the other side of the river, other side of the flood. Is that right? Now, at Shechem as He gathered the Israel’s elders together, and He told them what you read there in the 24th chapter of Joshua. He died at age 110, now I ain’t gonna go into no whole lot of mathematics on that. And they buried His body in the plot given to Ephraim. Right? You say that’s right? Now watch and see where I am going to but every year after that, when that high priest would go into that sanctuary, so that’s what I want you to see, the Elohim of Israel would appear there in the cloud. That’s what he seen in the vision. Now this entering through the vail and through the flesh and coming into the flesh and all like that, those are things that people just simply miss the boat on. You follow what I’m trying to say? That wasn’t all there was to Him, is what they put in the ground and that, that wasn’t all of it. Do you see what a problem you got on your hands. And every smart alec that comes along thinks he knows all about the purpose of Yahweh. And he thinks all that you have to do is read the Bible and then he’s got it made. Not so. Now listen folks, He went straight on in by a new and living way. What do you mean by that? It means that while that vail was hanging up there, the way in was not made known, but after He had died and resurrected from the dead, that vail was ripped out. Now how do you go in? Now some of these things have to be revealed to these people. Now, where problems are, Yahshua in you or the Holy Spirit in you, is within the vail. And when you get up and yak, yak and yak, yak and yak, yak and run your mouth and read all around in the Bible to prove a point, misunderstanding everything you read. We didn’t have no quarrel with the Bible, we had a quarrel with you, what you said. Now I wanna mention one or another thing here too. Now Matthew 28:19, I want you to read and 20.

Reader: Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the age.

Dr. Kinley: Now listen folks, that man stood here on the floor, and he said, ‘now that means by the authority of Jesus Christ.’ That’s what he said, that’s what that means. Is that what he said? Those of you were here, you heard him, didn’t you? He said now that’s what they teach. They teach it’s by the authority of Jesus Christ. I say he don’t have no authority to tell nobody to go and baptize somebody in water. How about that? Do you know why I said that? Because if he’s gonna come and fulfill the carnal ordinances and move it out of the way, he’s not gonna try and tell somebody to go out there and do some of it. You follow what I mean? So it don’t mean you have to, you don’t have to put your own interpretation on the Bible.

Now listen folks. When He ascended off of the Mount of Olives. There’s another thing we just can’t do. They don’t understand it. And out here, on this chart right here, this is what I’m talking about (POUNDING NOISE AGAINST THE CHART), this is the Mount of Olives. And if you watch these charts, there you see the 2 angels, there you see the 2 men, there you see the cloud and Him dwelling in the cloud. Same thing there. He’s on top the Mount of Olives. And they saw that vision in that cloud on top of there. He was.., look here, don’t you know where these 2 men are? Don’t you know who they are? Moses and John. The law and the prophets. Michael and Gabriel. Don’t you, don’t you understand that? Now look, if He came down from heaven and they didn’t see him, that’s the reason why they questioned Him. And they thought that he was Joseph’s son. And He was walking around talking about His father. And then somebody else wanna raise an argument, where it says there in the 3rd chapter of John, no man has ascended into heaven but the Son of Man. They want to put it like this: which was in heaven, meaning that He’s not now. Want to draw a long WAAAS in heaven. Somebody says, they’re thinking as He’s thinking now. Are you listening? Are you sure you’re listening? Now, He said no man has seen the Father at any time but the Son and to whomsoever the Son will reveal. Ain’t nobody will reveal nothing to you but the Son. I don’t mean the son of perdition either. He said I proceeded and come forth from the Father, His intent words, which was in heaven, and which is in heaven. Somebody says, ‘no, He ain’t.’ You got to see Him back up in there where He was before, meaning that they had to see a vision of Him cause they wouldn’t know that He come from heaven if they hadn’t seen the vision of the ascension. Somebody has to get some conviction out of this thing.

Now look, when you are going up in Mount Sinai at, up and down, up and down, you are ascending, ascending and descending as He was. When you are going up on the Mount of Olives, you are ascending and when you come down, you are descending. Now this is what I want to point out to you: now you listen close. That no man has seen the Father at any time but the Son, and to him whomsoever the Son will reveal. I know it, it reads a little different right there, but that’s what I dictated in the Book there, you can, you can read it if you want to. Now listen folks, listen, these people don’t know no more about heaven than a hog does about gold teeth.

Now listen closely at what I’m going to say. He said ‘believe me.’ Well, I’ll put it this way for you: He talked so much about His Father, and so they asked Him to show them the Father. Philip asked. He said, ‘Philip, have I been so long a time with you and you don’t know me? When you see me, you see the Father. And listen boys and girls, ‘believe me that I’m in the Father.’ ‘Hey wait a minute, now I thought you said your Father was in Heaven. I thought you taught your disciples to pray after this manner: our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come.’

Now it comes to find out His Father’s in Him, and He’s in Heaven, and you get, you understand what I’m talking about? You’re reading around with a little drawed up carnal mind, still, they’re not able to see, not able to understand. ‘Believe me that the Father is in me and I’m in Him,’ and He ain’t never been out. Now if you don’t want to take it that way, ‘believe me for my very works sake.’ Somebody went and wrote up a song, ‘As Jesus is, there’s heaven there.’ They don’t know what they’re writing about, don’t know what they’re talking about. I’ll tell you this is heavenly. Now we sent books to Rex Humbard and a Holy Name Bible 2nd edition of the book and a textbook. Is that right, Dr. Gross? Did he say anything about a Holy Name Bible?

Dr. Gross: Yes

Dr. Kinley: Do you know whether he got it or not, the book? We got the return receipt. He had to sign for it, evidently he must have gotten it. Now we didn’t ask nobody in this congregation audience to write him, but Sister Estelle Ellenberg. She wrote him. And this is what she said to him, this is condensed: I wish you’d bring in answers down here sometime. And she told him nothing different than what we wrote in the book, about His name being Yahshua. And he said that he was aware of that, that day, true Hebrew name of.., true name Yahshua. Is that what he said in the letter?

Estelle Ellenberg Yes.

Dr. Kinley: ‘If I were in Israel I would use the name of Yahshua.’ Ain’t that what he said? That’s what he said in the letter, but he said the New Testament is written in Greek. Well that is news to me. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) ____ that they said that they got plenty of books that say that it was, but it wasn’t. People they’ll use just any kind of explanation. They’ll say any kind of a thing, not having any knowledge of what they’re talking about, and just reading around in the Bible. Now, that man said that, and he went on to talk about Jesus and so forth. And we told him about there is no ‘J’ in the Hebrew language even until today. And incidentally, there was no ‘J’ in no language until about the 13th century, some would say, about the Middle Ages. Now listen here folks. This people, this ministry, so called ministry, they’ll stand right up in your face and, right up in your face with an open Bible and put their finger on it and read it and then turn right around and deny it. And they’re right in the Book. Right in your hearing. Now here’s a thing I want to mention. I told you that in the temple of Zerubabel and also in the temple of Herod, the ark of the covenant was not in there. Now this is all taken from Solomon’s temple, but they did have something special in the Holy Place. The high priest has to perform ____. Now what was in there? The Most Holy Place. A rock or stone. Yahweh said, ‘behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and a rock of offense: but whomsoever believes in Him will not be offended by Him. Is that about right?

Yahshua was that rock that was in that Most Holy Place. That was not Peter, but that was that rock that was hewn out of the mountain and He’s come on down and he’s cut that image on the ____. You have in the 10th chapter of I Corinthians that that rock that followed them was the Messiah. And He is the rock. I want you to read one more at least verse, the 5th chapter of John. Now this is what you’ve come here to learn about, now you get this learned tonight. Get the 1st epistle of John, the 5th chapter, 19th, 20th, and 21st verses.

Reader: And we know that we are of Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley: Now John said.., and I could run over there and quote it, but I’m trying to get down and give somebody else an opportunity. Now John is saying, if you have any chronological accounts in your Book about the time that it was, this is around AD 90 when John wrote it. He said, now we know that the Son of Yahweh is come. Is that what you read? And what?

Reader: and we know that the Son of Yahweh is come and has given us an understanding

Dr. Kinley: and hath given us an understanding. Alright, read.

Reader: that we may know him that is true.

Dr. Kinley: that we may know him that is true.

Reader: and we are in him,

Dr. Kinley: and, and we are in him,

Reader: even in his son

Dr. Kinley: Hold it. 1 Corinthians 12:13. I want to know how we got in Him

Reader: For by one spirit,

Dr. Kinley: for by one spirit,

Reader: are we all,

Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Not water. For by one spirit,

Reader: are we all baptized

Dr. Kinley: are we all baptized

Reader: into one body,

Dr. Kinley: into one body. Read on.

Reader: whether we be Jew

Dr. Kinley: Don’t make no difference whether you be a Jew or a Gentile

Reader: whether we be bond or free

Dr. Kinley: whether we be bond or free

Reader: and have been all made to drink into one spirit,

Dr. Kinley: and have been all made to drink into one spirit, Right? Read on.

Reader: For the body is not one member, but many.

Dr. Kinley: No, I’m not talking about I Corinthians now. I just want to show how you got in there. Now I want you to listen at what I’m gonna say now. Well, me, I have to read something else. That same man writing. Let’s see if we can catch him in a lie. That’s the way they do, just to go on about and try to entrap him. And make Paul a liar against one of the epistles against his letters. Alright. Now, you’ll have to read for me because it goes back in the first epistle. Gonna have to read it for me, the 8th chapter of Romans. I want you to start right at the 1st verse and read right on through it.

Reader: There is therefore no condemnation,

Dr. Kinley: Now listen. It don’t make no difference to me. Not a bit. It don’t even disturb me, don’t even phase me. Any time you can get up here and swear by all that’s holy that the words that you would propose to mean that he baptized and Jesus sent them out after His resurrection to baptize, I know ____, they don’t get me shook up. Why not? There is no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah. I just showed you how you got in Him, by one spirit we was all baptized into one body.

Student Body: Right.

Dr. Kinley: Now that’s how you got in Him. Now since I’m in, there’s no condemnation, just say anything you wanna say. That’s how you got in, both the Jews and Gentiles, they got in the same way. How about that? Now there is no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah. Please read.

Reader: who walk not after the flesh,


Dr. Kinley: Now they stand right up and say that and read it out of the Bible. Say they’re not walking after the flesh. Well, I hope they’re speaking of physical Israel back there. But what?

Reader: but after the spirit

Dr. Kinley: but after the spirit

Reader: for the law of the spirit of life

Dr. Kinley: Now listen here. I want you to get this thing understood too. Cause I don’t think that some folks understand it. For the law of the spirit, not the law contained in ordinances, not talking about that, but the law of the spirit of life,

Reader: in Yahshua the Messiah,

Dr. Kinley: in Yahshua the Messiah,

Reader: has made me free.

Dr. Kinley: Listen folks, has made me free, free from what?

Reader: from the law of sin and death,

Dr. Kinley: every bit of every last one of them ordinances. Read just a little further.

Reader: for what the law could not do,

Dr. Kinley: Now listen, you can argue and raise all the sand that you want to, but the law couldn’t do it, for what the law could not do

Reader: in that it was weak,

Dr. Kinley: in that it was weak,

Reader: through the flesh

Dr. Kinley: through the flesh,

Reader: Yahweh sending his own son,

Dr. Kinley: Yahweh sending His son,

Reader: in the likeness of sinful flesh,

Dr. Kinley: in the likeness, he looked just like any other man, and they even accused Him of being a sinner, in the likeness of sinful flesh. Right? Said He broke the sabbath. You can’t cast out demons by a demoniac spirit that was in him. They called Him everything. You can’t stand for nobody to say nothing about you, your preach.., your reverend, ‘look reverend, you ain’t telling me nothing. I won’t be back.’ Say,’where are you going?’ ‘I’m going, I’m gonna hunt me someplace where I can find out something, you ain’t told me nothing.’ (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) This ain’t but a bunch of lies. For the law of the spirit of life which is in Yahshua the Messiah hath made.., talking about has made me free. Now listen, you can’t say that about the Gentiles, because they didn’t have it, the law contained in ordinances. Paul is a Hebrew. He said it made him free (you see the point?) it made me free from the law of sin and death. That was the ____ ____. Ain’t that something? Now you see what I’m saying? And when you read the Bible, why don’t you try to take it for what it says. Now go on back.

Reader: And we know that the son of Yahweh is come,

Dr. Kinley: And we know that the son of Yahweh is come,

Reader: and,

Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Now you know the difference between is, and coming or yet to come. Didn’t you? Do you know the difference between present and past tense? Is come, and done what?

Reader: and hath given us an understanding,

Dr. Kinley: and hath given us an understanding,

Reader: that we may know him,

Dr. Kinley: that we may know him,

Reader: that is true,

Dr. Kinley: that is true,

Reader: and we are in him,

Dr. Kinley: and we are in him,

Reader: that is true,

Dr. Kinley: that is true,

Reader: even in his son,

Dr. Kinley: even in Yahweh’s son or in his son

Reader: Yahshua the Messiah.

Dr. Kinley: Yahshua the Messiah. Now you get this next one straight.

Reader: This is the true Elohim and eternal life.

Dr. Kinley: You heard me. This is the true Elohim that created the heavens and earth: that’s Him. He’s down there in that body that brought them out of Egypt, but they don’t see that. Now suppose, would you read Genesis 1:1 out of the Holy Name Bible.

Reader: In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? That was the true Elohim that was walking around there as Yahshua. That’s the true one, that’s the true God. That’s the, that’s the Father manifested in the flesh. Believe it or not, that’s Him. How about that? That’s the, He was back here as Joshua, and you wanna argue. That’s Him. And I said He didn’t come through the loins of a woman, just took on a physical body. And He was the one who showed Moses that He was gonna come through the loins of a woman, in that vision. Moses wouldn’t known a thing about it. And Dr. Mitchell told you one this morning. I mentioned it the other night to you. He tried to help it some. They’ve got all kinds of books out there on the market. Some say in the Book of so-called Jasher. Moses didn’t write that book. You know who wrote it? Do you know who wrote it? I’ll tell you, Yahweh Elohim wrote Jasher, not Moses. Now how about that? Now somebody might want some proof to that. Moses never piped that at all. That’s the book that he’d heard about it, got everybody’s name in it.

Now you find in Exodus 32, verse 32 which Yahweh had written, not Moses. Now listen folks. Now when Yahshua the Messiah come along, He’s beginning at Moses. Now I told you that was the true Elohim. I told you that was Yahweh manifested in a body. You have to prove it, that’s why I had you to read it. That’s what you come down here for, to find out about it, and you want to find out, and you will know him. Is that what you come for? And if you didn’t come for that I’m sorry then you’ll just have a disappointment. That’s what I’m telling you. And it’s always been true, right on down through Adam, and right on down through the ages and generations, right straight on down. Adam was the son. As you have over there in Jude. And as Dr. Mitchell told you this morning, and he tried to tell you that the other night, but you let somebody come along and set a whole bunch of junk in under your nose, the Talmud, the Mishnah, the so- called book of Jasher, the book of Enoch, the book of Abraham, the book of Isaac, the book of Jacob and so forth and so on. You let somebody come along and sell that kind of stuff up in under your nose and you’re stupid enough to run out there and start some kind of a argument.

But now look, the reason for you to begin with Moses, Moses saw the bringing of the creation, you’re stupid enough to stand up and talk about prehistoric. Pre-HIS-story: Yahweh’s story. You see how stupid it is? And they call Yahshua (it’s in the verse), He created everything. And He said He would be the first there with Moses, and if he hadn’t been in the first there with Moses, you don’t have any ____ to come in again. You can’t alter that. Now the reason why he begins with Moses was because Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Enoch, now nobody else, didn’t write it. That’s why he begins with Moses, Enoch never wrote a thing. Abraham never wrote a thing. Isaac never wrote a thing. Enoch never wrote a thing. They wouldn’t have even known anything at all about Enoch, the 7th from Adam, if Moses hadn’t have spoke of it. They wouldn’t have known nothing about it, and they still don’t know nothing about it. So let me tell you this about that, just to show you the reality of it.

Moses was up there in that mountain, and he was seeing Enoch, he heard what Enoch prophesied, and he wrote it down. I think about the 10th chapter of Deuteronomy. Are you listening at me now? He said, ‘behold, Elohim come with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgement.’ What are you talking about Enoch? Moses didn’t know nothing about this until Joshua came along down or till Yahshua came on and told him about it. Now here’s Enoch standing way back over yonder prophesying about this. How about that? Did you, did you understand what I’m talking about? And He said, He’d come, ____ ____ and He’s coming ____ ____ ____. Is that, is that almost right? Folks, what we need and we must do, is wake up, awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead.

Now listen, this is the way it is. Now he consecrated a new and living way through the vail, that is to say, through the flesh. Now I told you how it got down and I told you how it went back. He ascended back up to the Father, where He was before He came down. I’ve explained to you about the coming down and the going up. And I told you that He was in the Father and the Father was in heaven. All that kinda talk, folks don’t understand it. You show us the Father and they ____. Now let me mention one other thing, at least one other thing.

Now here in the 5th chapter of Matthew He says this: He’s in, up there in the mountain, ‘blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God, for they shall see God.’ Now no longer than this morning and every Sunday morning, ain’t that right brother Traynham? Jesus said, ‘blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.’ He went up there in that mount. And spoke to ‘em. Right? Um um. That, that ain’t the way it is. Now when He told them that he was up there in the mountain where, where He spake from, seeing the multitudes following Him, He went up into the mountain and spoke to them. And now He comes to fulfill. Now it says here that they went up into Mount Sinai and they saw the God of Israel, or they saw God. Now He’s telling them ‘blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.’ Now He takes them out into here, (SLAMS THE CHART) the mount of Transfiguration. And they saw Him, the God of Israel. How about that? That’s all. ‘Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see.’ Now is that the fulfillment. If they saw Him back here, their Elohim, and His countenance and it was bright. And they saw the Elohim of Israel. Now He’s got to fulfill it, said, ‘blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see.’ Didn’t he have to take them up in the mountain, transfigure, and they looked right at him: daystar. How about that? Now could I just go ahead and say something else?

Student Body: Yes.

Dr. Kinley: The possibilities are somebody needs to know, about the same chapter and the same verse. Now you know that the had come back from Babylon and build Jerusalem again unto the Messiah. And they was out here to make ____ under heaven. But they had come back and they had rebuilded Jerusalem unto the Messiah. Is that almost right? Now while He’s setting up in that mountain, He said, Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit Palestine

Student Body: No.

Dr. Kinley: They was already there in Palestine, He couldn’t say that. How about that? Now the fulfillment. They can go on back over there, and fulfill it, but He didn’t say anything about a ____. He said, ‘Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the whole earth.’ They was already in Palestine when He said it. How about that one? Listen to what I say, the meek, they was in heaven, they was already in the Holy Place, they was already in Jerusalem beneath, but the Jerusalem above, which is in the spirit. They shall inherit. One other thing I wanna mention. I think I just ought to by all means. Now listen, why should you be standing around talking about immortality. If you expect to walk around here throughout eternity in this thing you got on here, what would be the purpose or the reason for creating a new earth, and you’ve got an old body. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Don’t make sense.

I would like to say this to you as… Now the Sadducees, they didn’t believe in the spirit, and they didn’t believe in the resurrection from the dead. I’m trying to show you the simplicity of it now. This is the real simple. Anybody, don’t make no difference what the Psalm is, as David says in the 19th division of Psalms, the heavens declare the glory of El and the firmament showeth forth His handiwork. Now you listen. Now this is what I’m trying to get over to you. I’m trying to get you to see, laboring to get you to see that you didn’t come to live in this earth plane, as with Jesus to abide here. And if you had come here to abide here, then there couldn’t be no change of this mortal body, because it comes from the dust of the earth.

Now here you done got old, it did corrupt. You’re walking around with ____ and arthritis and all that kinda stuff. And the apostle tells you in the 15th chapter of I Corinthians, ‘thou sowest not that body that shall be.’ Neither do you take some seed in your hand and plant it in the ground, and you just don’t see that, which you planted it in the ground. Now what I’m showing is the stupidity of people standing up, looking at the sun rising and setting and then talking about they don’t believe in the resurrection. Farmer planting seeds in the ground and they’re coming up. The male planting seed in the spermatic fluids and his seed, it’s Abraham’s seed. All that fool, ignorant talk. Now what you’re supposed to do is to look at the natural and then from that understand the spiritual. Now for example, let me say this to you. When they ate that feast of the passover. Now if you want to see a real good trick, as some have tried to do. They can say that this is wrong. See here you’ve got to keep the passover and then rise up from the table and wash the disciples feet, after His crucifixion. You got this in the wrong place, this ought to be over here somewhere before He died. ‘I beg your pardon ____ ____ ____ ____.’ And if He had not resurrected from the dead, Him dying out there on the cross, if He hadn’t resurrected from the dead, your faith is vain, it’s just vain. Everybody.

Now here’s what I’m saying: this son, (HITS CHART) that’s the washing of regeneration. And he told it to Peter and them that you don’t know what I do now but you shall know hereafter, and as often as you eat this bread and drink of this cup, you do show forth my death and suffering till I come. Now here’s what I’m telling you. You got blood, you got water and you got the Holy Spirit here, you got the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. There on the 6th. It did not become effective until the 6th or the day of Pentecost. I wish I could say one more thing to you. Would you allow me to say one more thing? And I wanna say this. I went in to Dr. Mitchell’s this morning before he goes back to New York, of course I think he already knows it, but it oughta be stressed. He’s made more charts than anybody in the whole entire world. All of ‘em put together. And he’s drawn ‘em up by this pattern. Now are you listening? Now look, maybe you better find it doc, faith comes by hearing. I wanna show you what I’m talking about. It didn’t say faith comes by reading, did it?

Student Body: No.

Dr. Kinley: I just want to know the way it comes. I think Paul says that in the first letter to the Romans.

Student Body: Romans 10:17

Reader: So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley: Read on.

Reader: But I say have they not heard,

Dr. Kinley: No, I want it where, how can they hear without a preacher

Reader: For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be delivered. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?

Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading?

Reader: Romans 10:13

Dr. Kinley: Okay, please read.

Reader: and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach except they be sent? As it is written, how beautiful are the feet of them that preach the glad tidings of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things.

Dr. Kinley: Now do you know what they’re problem is there? You haven’t had no preacher. And another thing, He ____. Now you can argue and rave all you and all you want to rave about it. Now I’ll show you what I’m talking about. Faith comes by hearing, not by reading. But if faith comes by hearing, and that’s by the Word, now how are they going to hear without a preacher, and how is he going to preach except he be sent? Now I want to illustrate what I’m talking to you about. And what the apostle is talking to you about. And look, he had charts too. Did you all know that? Huh? Did you know? Anybody in the building that didn’t know it, hold up your hand. Read to ‘em. Over there, Paul told Timothy, we’re gonna have it read for you. Anybody else. Don’t be ashamed folks, we’ll have it read, alright, read.

Reader: 2nd Timothy 4:13

Dr. Kinley: Well, when you find it, read it.

Reader: The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus,

Dr. Kinley: Now the cloak which I left at Troas, I could have quoted it, which I left at Carpus. Alright.

Reader: when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, especially the parchments.

Dr. Kinley: Bring the charts, bring them with you. He drew the diagrams. He spake by the diagrams, by the repetitions, just like Dr. Mitchell’s, as we have done in this school. I didn’t make the charts on my own, I had specific orders for making them. Now look folks. This is how a preacher is gonna come. And faith, it will come by hearing, and that by the Word of Yahweh. Now here’s, here’s how it is. Now look, when we show you that Yahweh Elohim transformed or transfigured into this tabernacle, we showing it to you, we let you read it out of the Bible. Are you listening now? And he don’t stop there, we going clear on down until we get Him back in there. We come all the way down through the dispensations and ages. Now look, now you listen, here you put this thing up here by the pattern, here’s the altar and here’s the blood, here’s the water, and here’s the spirit. The blood, the water, and spirit. The blood, the water, the spirit. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. You’re one, two, three: soul, body, and spirit. You put the water, you put the blood on this line, he put the water on this line, and listen you do it all the way through. Now if we get away from that, then you’ll have no faith. You’ll have no confidence in Him. Somebody come along and said, ‘how many stories in the ark? ‘Well, I don’t know, let me see.’ ‘Which chapter is that?’

Why? Because it’s just that plain: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. That’s all you’ve got folks. Anytime you remove anything, you’re wrong. That’s all there is to that. You’re wrong. You can ____ it down. Say, ‘I swear that I’ve been, and I can assure you by the authority of Jesus Christ and by the Word of God and whatnot.’ You can ____ ____ ____ you learn how to use that pattern, all the way from the Godhead (I’ll just say it in those terms) that the Father, and the Word, and the Holy Spirit, they are one just like that one tabernacle, and this is the Godhead. I wanna know if there’s anybody in the room that don’t understand, hold up your hand. That’s what it’s, that’s what it’s called. That’s where, that’s, that’s why Yahweh created the universe. And we have told you and told you over and over and over and over and over again. Every cosmic phase of nature is some or another expression of Him, of His existence. You don’t have to worry around trying to prove His existence, He did that Himself. Why should He go ahead and have, have me down here, as ignorant as I am trying to prove His existence? I hope, I trust that you can see something, that you can understand what I’m talking about.

Now, you’re not gonna have no faith until reverend gets told and puts the thing together like this. You’re gonna have to hear it this way. You ain’t gonna have no faith. You might have a concept. You know what you are? You want me to tell you what you are? You’re a skeptic, and like some of the rest of you, you could be an agnostic. Do you know what an agnostic is? They do believe in the existence of God but ain’t nobody to prove it. Nobody knows ____. He ain’t depending on you to prove nothing. Did you follow what I’m talking about? Now that’s the way this thing has got to be put together.

I, I think I’ll say one more thing. The scientists cannot agree, that this sun’s being put out there in the sky on the 4th day. They say, that vegetation’ll capture light and warmth of the sun to grow. Therefore they disseminate, ‘I believe how vegetation can’t be on the 3rd day’ and they think that the sun was first. I wholeheartedly agree with that, ain’t making a mistake about that. Now how about that? But this is what they’ve done. They’ve got this Son tangled up here with that sun up there. And this Son back on in here was perfect. And He didn’t show up down to Israel coming through the loins of a woman as the prophecy said He would be, until the 4000th year, or the fourth day. I don’t see how vegetation can grow without Him, I don’t see where there can be any vegetation with Him, I don’t see where there can be any creation without Him. I don’t see how you can exist without Him.

Now you can wake me up. I told you I was the champ of the idiots. I can’t see it. Yes sir, the son was first, but they got it all twisted up. Now here’s one you missed, take cosmic light, the lessor (lesser?) light, the sun in the sky went with ‘em. It’s hard for people to believe back here, to see beyond that day. Now isn’t it wonderful? Children, did you all understand? It’s worth your while to come down here. And a lot of people don’t like it because they say you have to come to 10401, that’s an insult. Well, I’ll tell you what to do. You tell me somewhere where I can go and learn this. What I learned is something of fact. Now you tell me, that’s all you have to do, just tell me, and I’ll be on my way. And I’ll advise all of you to come on and go with me. I know a better place than 1040. And I’ll tell you where it is. It’s up here in Heaven. That’s where I got my education from. That’s a better place than 1040. But what we got at 1040 come from up there. Now that’s what we’re trying to tell you. Isn’t that right Bishop? I mean, it come from heaven, it’s the Word of Elohim. And you’re gonna have to hear it. Now let me ask you this. Say,’what is faith?’ Some people, they don’t even know, realize what faith is. What’s the difference between faith and spirit. None. That’s right. There ain’t no difference. Now how in the world can you have confidence in something you don’t know nothing about? You can’t do that. That’s another impossibility. Now when he resurrected from the dead and stood out there on the Mount of Olives… The Mount of Olives is elevated above Jerusalem. Did you know that? And He lifted up His hands towards Jerusalem, He blessed them. And Luke says there in the 1st chapter of Acts of the Apostles, ____ the day that He was taken up. But you have to have some faith and some confidence in the purpose.


1 1040 South Grand, Los Angeles, California: location of the Los Angeles Branch school for many years.

Now in the 7th chapter of Acts, Stephen’s preaching there, said, now this He that was in the tabernacle in the wilderness. That ought to tell you something. Wouldn’t you think His ____ was back there unto Moses, He was in the tabernacle in the wilderness. Now Moses was the only man that saw that tabernacle up there, only man that saw it in a vision. Now when he came down he had some competition down there, Korah and everyone standing around arguing, they didn’t see a thing, but they’re master builders, make that ____ Moses. And Yahshua said to him, now you see to it that you make all things according to.., he wasn’t up in the mountain now, but he’s down here on the ground. Now when Moses is just about to make it, he said, see to it that you make all things according to the

pattern I showed you in the mountain. He’s talking. Now look, let me show you Daryl. From all the stuff in there, there during them 40 days, and them people, can I go ahead and say this?

Student Body: Yes.

Dr. Kinley: In them 40 day that he was up there, they down there building that golden calf. When he come down here, now you see the man got shook up. He saw them worshipping the golden calf and he got shook up. And he throws the tables of stone down and brake them. He knew what Yahweh had said to them, and he knew that they had heard, he was shook up. Now here’s what I’m trying to tell you. He didn’t just jump right off right then and start to building the tabernacle. Had to send them through the camp and kill off about 3000 of them that day. The Levites went through there and killed them all. Now here’s what I’m telling you. Then he has to go and hew him out some stones. Now he had a good break, to forget some things that he saw up there in the mountain about that tabernacle, he had a good break to forget some things that he saw up there. But all he had to do just get over there in the tent where Joshua was. How about that. One time they did ask him a question, said, if we did this, we touch a dead body out there in the wilderness, now does that make it that, that make us unfit to eat the passover, that’s a memorial of it, Said, ‘Moses, what do we do about it?’ Said,’I don’t know,’ He said, ‘I’ll have to ask the Lord,’ Went right on out there in the tent and asked Joshua and then he come back, said the answers ____ ____ ____ ____. How about that?

See what we, what we got? Here’s what we do. We separate ourselves from Yahweh. He’s way up yonder in the sky and I’m way down here. We’re cut off. We don’t have no communication. Somebody says, ‘well, that may be your case, but not mine.’ Said, ‘I pray to him and I fast.’ I heard that story before too. You don’t know how to pray as you oughta, but Yahweh makes intercession for us. Now the reason why you don’t get that Cadillac and that penthouse, James says it’s because you ask amiss. Now how are you asking amiss? Yahweh already knows that you got a belly down here and you need something to eat. He already knows that, He done found out about that. He knows what you have need of before you ask. So.., but now, the Holy Spirit in you maketh intercession for you (are you listening? That’s the 8th chapter of Romans.) according to the Purpose. And you’re out here talking a whole lot of tom foolery and asking God for this and that and the other, all these different kind of things. And if He gives you what you really needed…. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)


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