4) 1965:SPECIAL 3HR MEETING: COSMOGONY TO ESCHATOLOGY
(also called: BEGINNING TO ENDING;
(also called: GODHEAD THROUGH AGES AND DISPENSATIONS)
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
CATALOG #: 65 CE
recorded by Fred Allen Jr. on reel to reel recorder
transferred by Beverly Allen to 2 90 minute audio cassette tapes
transcribed by Geraldine Rothstein, Cathy Fenti, and Beverly Allen
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Mary Gross
approved by the International Public Relations Committee – April 1995
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TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: …also that you can bring all the information that you could gather, even that you should bring your Bible and your dictionary and commentators and any items you could find to the point. I told you that what we were going to do was to give you a lecture on these charts and our purpose, intentions and objectives was to explain the Bible from Genesis to Revelation or that means from the 1st chapter and the 1st verse on down to the 22nd chapter and the last verse, tie it up so that you can understand it. Not only that, we wanted to investigate God, the godhead and the creation. Now there’s nothing left for nobody to investigate. Now that takes in the sum total of everything, now that’s the Creator and the created. Then we wanted to pass that down and explain it like this: from cosmology (now that means origin, don’t get excited at them words) to eschatology (eschatology is a doctrine that teaches and pertaineth to last things). So if cosmogony or cosmology is the beginning and eschatology is the ending; that just means the first and the last, the start and the finish. Now that’s the way we want.., that’s what we wanna do. Now then we want to investigate it (now you listen at me) in the dispensations and ages as it comes down through the dispensations and ages. Now one of the things I want you to understand first is.., now we’ll have to use, (now we are forced to do this and God did this) a natural to show a spiritual. So now since we are forced to use the natural to show a spiritual that means that every cosmic phase of nature is some or another expression of the invisible and inscrutable and incomprehensible God in nature. Now you can’t find anything in nature other than what God put there and it is organized and put together and is a copy of spiritual things in nature. Now if man understood that, when he’s talking about scientific research, if he understood or had some knowledge of what he’s looking for in the first place, then he would realize that he can’t hope to find nothing in nature that wouldn’t reflect the Godhead. It’s impossible, it can not be done. You understand now? Now is that clear to you?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: All you can hope to do.., or any man can hope to do and all that can be done is a research, and if you noticed we call this institution a research institution. Now in research we’re not trying to find out what our ancestors and progenitors thought about nothing, now, now that’s not what we’re concerned about and we’re not particularly concerned about what you thought because.., now here’s the reason why. We know what your, or all of our ancestors call it, we know what you think, so why waste the time listening at you run your mouth and me run my mouth. You get it now? Now what we wanna know and what we teach in this school, we wanna know God as He really is and as He actually exists. We’re not concerned about what they decided at the Ecumenical Council of.., neither the Roman Catholics or the Protestants or any other for that matter. And the decrees and ultimatums and issues in which were involved. Now is that clear to you? Now we don’t mind disagreeing with `em, we don’t care anything about it, and we’re not trying to stay in harmony and unity with no teaching at all on earth. You get it? Remember I told you, now what we’re looking for is God as He really is and as He actually exists. Now God is said to be the Creator (is that right?)
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: then He being the Creator, everything that He created in all the natural or the physical realm (don’t forget) is a reflection in the material realm or visible realm of what is in the spiritual realm. Do you understand? Now you have to get this straight here.., now if you fail to get this straight, the physical, the visible then you’re gonna be out of harmony with the invisible. Now, now have I got it clear before you? Now John in Revelation said this or this is what Revelation said, the 1st chapter of Revelation. Suppose you.., you better read that, then, then you won’t be saying that that man said. The first chapter of Revelations I want you to begin at the first verse.
Reader: The revelation of Jesus Christ,
Dr. Kinley: The revelation of Jesus Christ.
Reader: which God gave unto him,
Dr. Kinley: which God gave unto him
Reader: to show unto his servants
Dr. Kinley: Read.
Reader: things which must shortly come to pass;
Dr. Kinley: Yes.
Reader: and he sent, sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: who bear record of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, and all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words, words of this prophecy, and keep these things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Dr. Kinley: for the time is at hand. Read on.
Reader: John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Dr. Kinley: Now that’s in ___ and the beginning. Read on. You, you just got started.
Reader: Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him,
Dr. Kinley: Now it says, behold he comes with clouds and every eye shall see him. Now people will read down there and read that and they don’t know why it is said that behold He cometh with clouds. They don’t have no idea about it, not even a real good imagination. Now but if you were able, if you were able and if you understood when he read awhile ago about this cloud, about that cloud leading `em out of Egypt, then it stood over the tabernacle, if you understood about it and God aboding or abiding in the cloud above the wings or above the mercy seat, between the wings of the cherubim and the cloud standing over, then you’ll, then you’d have some idea what John is talking about. You get the point? Alright, read.
Reader: Behold he cometh with the clouds;
Dr. Kinley: um hum
Reader: and every eye shall see him,
Dr. Kinley: um hum
Reader: and they also which pierced him:
Dr. Kinley: and they also which pierced him.
Reader: and all kindred of the earth shall wail because of him.
Dr. Kinley: and all kindred of the earth. Now everything come out of Adam, everything, it don’t make no difference what nationality you belong to, everything come out of Adam. You understand that now? You listening? Now I’m gonna try to place these words every time I speak so that you will comprehend. Now if everything come out of Adam, that’s the physical man. Then this physical man, now we have already told you that God made, was a reflection of the invisible God, the invisible man. Now do you see it now, you see that? That’s clear? Now you can look at a physical man and he is made in the likeness and image of God or Yahweh. Now when you look at the man, please be advised that you’re looking at God’s own description of Himself.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now science can not improve on it, nobody can improve on it, can’t be any improvements made. Catch it? Now for you to know something about God, look at the man, analyze him, scrutinize it, investigate him, find out why he’s built as he is built and why he has this and that and the other. If you noticed a while ago when Dr. Yates was reading about the boards and the pillars and the coverings of the tabernacle and so forth and so on, the boards, now then that would run you into the orthopedic structure or the bone structure of the man. And if you noticed a while ago when he read the 8th chapter and the 5th verse that Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle, said see to it that you make all things according to the pattern shown you in the mount. Now you make sure Moses that you make it just like the pattern. Now what’ll happen if you don’t? Now this is what’ll happen if you don’t make it like the tabernacle that he saw in the vision while he was up in the mount: then you have the structure of the man all throwed out of kilter, you got the godhead all messed up, and you got all nature messed up; you’ve imparted the wrong impression, so you make it your business to see to it that you make the tabernacle like I showed you in the mount. Now that’ll take care of the argument. Now if the minister understood these things we wouldn’t be making all kinds of errors and mistakes, we would be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same spirit and we wouldn’t have all these sects and cults and creeds and denominations and ideas and opinions. Now did you ever stop to think and I told you many times but I’m sure that the thing usually goes on out the door, it just don’t stick up here. Now if you don’t make the tabernacle like God said to make it, then the tabernacle is gonna be 3 fold, it’s gonna have a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place and a Outer Court; now that’s the way it was showed to Moses in the mount up there. Get that? Now the man, he’s got to be just like the tabernacle because the tabernacle is nothing other than the man transfigured or transformed into it.
Student Body: Right. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Now when I said the man I mean spirit, God is spirit. You can’t perceive, comprehend or scrutinize, or investigate, you can’t do nothing about that; can’t see it, there’s no way to get in harmony with it. Now God had to do something about that, so then God Himself takes on incorporeal form, not in totality. Now the reason why I said not in totality but in part, it meant that spirit inconceivable so far as shape and form is concerned, incomprehensible and while I’m in there and while I’m at that, I wanna let you know that you too were in that. That’s where you were and all incorporealization or nonspiritual things, all spiritual and.., or all spiritual, listen, all spiritual, I’m not making no mistakes, I know what I’m talking about, all spiritual things and all physical things come from God, in short matter come from spirit. Now if matter come from spirit, if that’s the origin, then in it’s disintegration and dissolution it must return to the source from whence it came.
Student Body: Right. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Do you understand? Now then if spirit being inconceivable and incomprehensible took on in part, now I mean, it’s, just like here’s the sum total of this whole room, all the air and everything in this room which you couldn’t see with your physical eyes, which is spirit, then to draw a line of demarkation, an outline that could be seen in a vision, it wouldn’t take the sum total of all of it to do that. It wouldn’t take all the air in the building to do that but you would gather together enough to a make a little fella like me and you could see that I’m in the room and you could discern my presence here. Now then that can be seen through a vision, now that’s the God of Israel that took on this.., this pure spirit took on this shape and form. Now then this shape and form inhabits spirit or the realm of eternity. Now eternity means that which has no beginning and has no end, always was, always will be. Somebody thinks they’re smart you know, said, `well, where did God come from?’ Now you’re supposed to be trapped. Get the point? Well let me tell you. Are you listening? He is the ultimate source. He’s the source Himself. Then say, `well where is He going to?’ Now I’m answering these questions, these are big theological questions that have baffled the minds of scientists and man ever since you’ve been here. There isn’t any where for God to go to because He is the source (listen), He is the substance, and finally He is the all in all, now that’s all.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Then that would make Him the final destiny, from whence matter, let me put it this way, from which incorporealization, that’s spiritual things or invisible things, like the angels and like they saw in visions, ghosts you talk about. Then He come on down from that state into a more grosser state of cosmic materialization meaning that spirit underwent these changes. Now the ghost, that’s a mediation, that’s between pure spirit and dense matter.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: Now that’s what has to be reflected in this tabernacle. 1, 2, 3: 3 parts. Now them 3 parts make up that one tabernacle. See that now? Is that clear? Now since them 3 parts make up that 1 tabernacle that Moses saw in a vision. Now this is not an old physical tabernacle that Moses has run up in Mt. Sinai and looking at a physical tabernacle, it’s an intangible, an invisible and he is not seeing it with his physical eyes. He is seeing it in a vision, permitted, his conscience, his mind and all could be in a state where he could discern an incorporeal or thing in it’s intermediate state and see that. And then God told him, said, `Now you see to it that you make all things according to the pattern which I showed you in the mount, for see saith he, that you…’ Now we had him to read that to you over there in the Bible. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now then (are you listening?) when you go into matter, now this is scientific. You wanna get all scientific and talk about how smart you are. Then when you go into matter, into the smallest ultamicroscopic (let me, let me tear them words down, I have to spend so much time tearing down something, breaking it up and giving it to you so you can understand it) now it means something that you can not see with your physical eye, that’s ultra. Microscopic, you know when you put the, your glass on it to magnify and to enlarge so you can see it, where that can’t be done natural, so then that’s all microscopic particles of matter.
Now in our scientific researchers, modern I’m talking about, the best that we have been able to come up with is 92 different particles of matter or atomic elements of matter, 92. Now, now Wallace they have to agree over in Russia, they have to agree in the United States, they have to agree in France and England, just all over the world. And that’s all they can find. Well now why is that all that they can find? Cause that’s all God put in it. You can’t find nothing there that God didn’t put there. Do you see what I mean? Because we’re coming right down out of the invisible through the intermediate and down into the more dense or concrete and we’re gonna investigate it.
Now Russia said there isn’t.., they, they don’t believe in the god, they don’t, now they don’t, they don’t really believe in what you think. They don’t mean that. They.., what they mean when they say that they are hopeless atheists, now this is what they mean. They mean that they don’t believe in the god of Christendom. And neither do I. And I’m far more hopeless, two to one than they are. Well then what about the god of Christendom? Christendom has taught that there’s a man setting up way above the sun, moon, and stars looking down watching everything you do, everything you think and someday which they call the day of Judgement that He’ll jump down out of the sky and through the clouds and come down here and convict you for the things that you done. Now that’s ignorance. Now that’s the god of Christendom. Now the papacy.., and when I say the papacy I’m talking about Roman Catholics. They claim that the pope takes the, the place of an invisible god on earth and he becomes the visible god on earth, just like the Messiah, just like Peter, and just like the apostles, so they think. So then as God inhabits eternity, (Isaiah 57:15) then He inhabits the Vatican as a representative on earth or the dense, the physical or the visible on earth of the invisible god which you imagine that’s just so bright and so illuminous and so forth and so on, he represents Him. Now then we have elected him and his word is final. So it is said that Protestantism come out of Roman Catholicism, Roman Catholicism come out of Judaism. Now that’s the way they got it set up. That’s the way you and everybody else have been taught, me too. That’s what they teaching now everywhere. That is not so, that is not the way it is; not true.
Now then listen, if man is made in the likeness and image of God (now look, listen at these words) if man is made in the likeness and image, man I said not men, I said man. I didn’t say gods, I said God. If he is made in the likeness and image, get that word image. Now this is a image, this come from here, just draw the line of demarkation, it’s incorporeal, that’s spiritual, it’s a image and only seen through visions and revelations. Then the man Adam was made in the physical in the likeness of this one. So then that man is made in the image of God.
Now it didn’t take 3 gods or 3 distinctive individual personalties or individuals, as Christendom teaches it, it’s not that. Here’s how we get it. We’re saying that Wallace is the Father, Rip here is the son, that’s 2, and Dr. Jackson he’s the third, but now they all have the same objectives and purpose and intentions, but now you have got 3 distinctive individual personalities in the godhead. That’s not the way it is, because this one man is made in the likeness and image of the one God. Now if the tabernacle was a description, and all of nature is a description, then the tabernacle has to be Most Holy Place, and Holy Place, and Outer Court, then if that is taken from the transformation of this man into the tabernacle, and incidentally this is the temple here, then this man here has to be made like that. That means this: that he’s got to be pneuma, psyche, and soma; in other words he’s got to be soul, body and spirit right there, instead of this one being that and that one being this – three distinctive individual personalities. Now if it was three different, distinctive individual personalities (now listen) then if this man is pneuma, psyche, and soma or soul, body, and spirit, so also is this one. So now then instead of having 3 making up or constituting the 1, you got a duplication and if you have a duplication then you got 3 here and you got 3 there, that’s 6; and then you got another one taking the Father, the Word, and Holy Ghost. Then you got Roger here, then now you got 9. Now you see what I mean? Can’t be like that, it’s not that way. Pretty tough ain’t it. See what I mean? Now are you ready to listen?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: I’m not wasting no words and these are highly academic expressions, scientific, this is the ultimate that I’m trying to convey to you now. Now when God which is pure spirit taking on this shape and this form that could be seen in visions, this couldn’t (are you listening), then God (God is spirit), this is spirit. There’s nothing in this that isn’t in that and ain’t nothing in this and in that that ain’t in nature. Get it now? Now you listen and follow. When He taking on this shape and this form (I’m coming from pure spirit), then this that wasn’t used in the embodiment, not that the substance is any different, then this shape and this form reaches back into the substance which is the fatherhood then He makes the angelic host, everything that is in heaven and it, it must follow the same line. Then He makes everything that is in earth after Him because He is the archetype (now the word archetype means original pattern) so everything in heaven and everything in earth must be fashioned like He is. Everything He tells man to do so far as a structure is concerned has got to be made like that. That’s why He told Moses see to it that you build it like I showed you the pattern up there in the mount. And then that means it’d have a Most Holy Place divided by the vail, a Holy Place that’s 2, down here would be 3. You have 1, 2, 3 component parts. Then the father, the Godhead must be the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and all three of them make up one. One what? One Godhead. Now do you see that now? Now then after taking on that shape and form.., you follow me cause where I am now, I’m where countless have even dared to tread.
Student Body: Alright. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And I’m gonna prove it too that it is like I said. I’m gonna prove it by this Bible. Remember I told you we wanna take it from Genesis to Revelation but I don’t want you to get lost in the preliminaries, these are preliminaries. Now if we can get started straight (are you listening now) and the end has been declared from the beginning, now if you get way over here in the middle, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John or over here in Revelation and then you’ll run up and you say `Well, I don’t understand the book of Revelation, I don’t understand this…’ No, that’s not where your trouble is. Well your trouble is, you didn’t understand the beginning of the thing. Now that’s where your trouble is, but you’re not wise enough to comprehend and you give your own self away but you do it unconsciously when you say `I don’t understand the book of Revelation.’ Now you just said unconsciously you didn’t understand the Bible at all; in other words you didn’t understand the genesis, that’s what you said, but now you didn’t realize that’s what you said. Because the end was declared right from the beginning. Now this is what I’m after. Now this is what I’m after and this is why I’m saying this to you. In the first chapter of Ephesians the apostle Paul says this (are you listening?): the purpose which God purposed within Himself before He started to make anything, angels, heaven and earth or anything, the purpose which He purposed within Himself, God that He Himself take on in this incorporeal form and then after He takes on this incorporeal form, then He makes everything in heaven and everything in earth to fit that. Now that means this (listen) Paul’s talking about the purpose, said in the fullness of the dispensations of time, as it running down through the, through the course of nature and all that God had declared within Himself. It has its origin and beginning as it comes down through history. Now what is the ultimate.., what is the purpose? Now He did this, He purposed this within Himself before He begin anything that in the final conclusion of everything that He would gather into Himself everything that there is in heaven and everything that there is in earth. That oughta draw a great big question mark. Why? Then here’s the answer to the question because that is the source from whence they came and that is the source from whence they go into. Do you see that now?
Student Body: Yes. OK.
Dr. Kinley: Is it clear? Now I stopped you from reading, didn’t I? Now if you read on, I’ll show you why I stopped you. Read on.
Reader: I am alpha and omega. The beginning and the ending
Dr. Kinley: the beginning and the ending. Alright read.
Reader: saith the Lord
Dr. Kinley: saith the Lord
Reader: which is
Dr. Kinley: which is
Reader: which was
Dr. Kinley: That’s that there.
Reader: and which is to come.
Dr. Kinley: and which is to come. Now that’s all 3, that’s all that there is. Alright, read on.
Reader: the almighty
Dr. Kinley: the almighty.
Reader: I John
Dr. Kinley: I, John
Reader: who also am your brother
Dr. Kinley: who also am your brother
Reader: and companion in tribulation
Dr. Kinley: and companion in tribulation
Reader: in the kingdom
Dr. Kinley: in, in the kingdom
Reader: and patience of Jesus Christ
Dr. Kinley: in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ
Reader: was in the Isle that is called Patmos
Dr. Kinley: was in the Isle which was called Patmos
Reader: for the word of God
Dr. Kinley: for the word of God
Reader: and for the testimony of Jesus Christ
Dr. Kinley: and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Now you heard what he read, didn’t you? Now you set there and listened at that, didn’t you? He said he was in the isle which is called Patmos. Now if you knew geography and geographical location of the Isle of Patmos you’ll find it in the Aegean Sea. Now he said he was in the Isle of Patmos. Now what is an island? It’s land surrounded by water. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now he said he was there for a purpose. What purpose was he there for? For the Word of God. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that makes me to have to stop right here and park here to get up to this, up to that which you just read and explain this. Now God was manifested so says the Apostle Paul to Timothy and to the Corinthians and to, also to the Thessalonians (are you listening now?) God that made the universe in it’s totality was in Christ Jesus or He was in a physical body. Now listen, we told you this, this spirit taking on incorporealization, that’s seen.., that’s a, a, a, ghost and the.., now where, where you find it there in the 24th chapter of Exodus 9 and 10 that’s not my imagination, and it was seen of 70 elders and also of Aaron, Nadab and Abihu when they was called up into the mount and then they saw this vision up here. Then that same God (listen) took on a physical form
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Dr. Kinley: whom you call Jesus Christ. Well that’s not so either. Justus Kristus is translated from out of Hindu. Yahshua the Messiah or Immanuel was born in Bethlehem of Judea. Now a lot of you didn’t even know that, a lot of your preachers don’t even know that, and they’ve run this stuff up here in your Book which we call the Bible, it’s just not so and you won’t find no true Jew on earth that believes in Jesus Christ. Now if you don’t learn nothing else you’ve learned something, you’ve learned something today. But now for the sake of imparting to you so you can understand, I’ll just go right on. Now we have a book and a research work in this book. Now we told you all about that in that book. Roman Catholics know better, they know better. Now that’s an idol from India, Justus Kristus. And when the International Council of Churches meet in New Delhi, India, they saw those idols and it come from India and around through Germany and in to the Vatican. And they went back in this Book which we call the Bible and put Jesus Christ all the way through it and no Jew will accept it. Now you are told in Isaiah 8th chapter and the 20th verse. Read it. Now I haven’t lost the continuity of thought myself.
Reader: To the law
Dr. Kinley: Now, Isaiah is writing about this and he’s telling you what God said. God said for you to go to the law. Read.
Reader: and to the testimony
Dr. Kinley: and to the testimony
Reader: if they speak not according to this word
Dr. Kinley: now if they speak not according to this word
Reader: it is because there is no light in them
Dr. Kinley: He don’t know nothing about it. Get the point? Now if they don’t.., now you go back there, now when you go back to the law and to the prophecy, you won’t find Jesus Christ mentioned in it.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Suppose we do that. Isaiah 7:14.
Dr. Kinley: Therefore
Reader: The Lord Himself
Dr. Kinley: The Lor.., who? What’d you say?
Reader: The Lord Himself
Dr. Kinley: Oh no. Now don’t you start no argument with God, don’t start that, don’t, don’t start that stuff here. Therefore the Lord Himself
Reader: shall give you a sign
Dr. Kinley: shall give you a sign
Dr. Kinley: Behold
Reader: a virgin
Dr. Kinley: a virgin
Reader: shall conceive
Dr. Kinley: shall conceive
Reader: and bear a son
Dr. Kinley: and bear a son
Reader: and shall call his name Immanuel
Dr. Kinley: and shall call his name Immanuel. Now you know what the law said. That’s what she should call his name. A virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel. What?
Dr. Kinley: What else?
Reader: You want me to read further?
Dr. Kinley: That’ll do. Now you see what it’s saying? Better read a litte further.
Reader: Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Dr. Kinley: Read on.
Reader: For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Dr. Kinley: Thou shalt call his name Immanuel. Now I didn’t say that, so don’t go running out of here and say `that man said.’ That’s what they been doing all the time because I dispute these, these preachers out here. Now that’s in, that’s in the prophecy, is that right? Now then let’s get in what you call the New Testament which it’s not. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is not the New Testament. Now it’s in all Protestant and all Roman Catholic Bibles that way. It is not the New Testament. Now if you would look at the New Covenant, look at what God said, He said after, Jeremiah 31:31 (I have to make mention of these things because he’s making a recording there.) Jeremiah 31, that’s the prophet. `After those days saith God, I will make a,‘ I will, I will, I’ll do that, just like He said about He’ll show you a sign, the Lord Himself. Said, `I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel.’ Now listen, after those days into their hearts will I write my law, not Matthew, not Mark, not Luke, not John, but God. It was God that made the 1st covenant with Israel and it shall be God that makes the 2nd covenant. It was God that wrote them tables of stone with His finger, and it is God that writes in fleshly tables of your heart so says the 2nd Corinthians, the 3rd chapter, `shall we begin again to commend ourselves or need,’ or is it necessary. `Ye are our epistles written in our hearts, read and known of all men.’ All you got to do is open your big mouth and you tell on your ownself.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: We, I said that because we got some license here, minister’s licenses. That, that won’t fit it. We don’t need no commendation to nor from…
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: but nevertheless the law requires it so we gonna give you a license, those of you that haven’t received, went and got `em right here. But when God is in a man’s heart and in his mind.., listen I said in the Book, you’re inseparatable, you’re not independent of God. God’s setting way up there in the sky somewhere (that’s a carnal mind) and some day He’s gonna jump down out of there and catch you with your works up to date or undone.
Student Body: (LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: Well I’m just trying to tell you so you can understand. Man is inseparated from God, he come from God. It is in Him, in Him now. That’s why.., I got to go back to this Jesus, `I am, believe me that I am in the Father’ 17 chapter of ___, `and the Father is in me, else believe on me for my very works sake.’ God that made the universe was in that body, God that made the universe, you’re hooked up to Him, you can’t get outside, it’s in Him that you live and you have your.., move and have your being.’ 17th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, Paul in Mars Hill in Athens, Greece. Ain’t that right? I told you that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, these 3 are 1. And I told you that man was made in the likeness and image of God and therefore you was pneuma, psyche, and soma, you were soul, body, and spirit. Say, `what did you say God was?’ God is spirit, so you’re spirit, soul, and body. God is spirit manifested in this incorporeal (that’s ___ ___ ___) and that’s.., you can see this, told you matter come from spirit and that’s why you’re shaped and formed and made like you are. You are a part of God and God is a part of you. There’s no way of escape, there’s getting outside of Him but your consciousness and realization of it, that’s something else.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You get the point? `It’s in Him we live and we move and we have our being.’ David said, `if I took the wings of the morning and flew on beyond the sun, moon and stars or made my.., if I took the wings of the morning’ and he flew off, penetrated the ionosphere, stratosphere, troposphere and the ionosphere and then went on out into the boundlessness of space where the astronauts have even dared to tread, if I did that, then God was there. That’s the reason why I tell you it’ll work just as well down here as it will up there. God is there, `if I make my bed in hell’ – He’s there, `whither shall I flee from the presence of the Lord.’ ___ ___ ___ from God. And that’s what Jesus was praying out here in the Garden of Gethsemane, `Father, make them one,’ not 3 but 1 `even as we are,’ make them conscious of it. And then when you become conscious of it, then you know me and I know you, nothing hid, everything is opened. When you make a wrong pass and then you have an apology to make, just like I had to do, so I don’t have nothing to boast about. I had to do that too. But if ever he’s caught up in the spirit or the thing has been revealed to him then he’s embarrassed and he must come back and say, `say look, I’m sorry, I taught you wrong, I’m mistaken about it.’ You see the point? Get it? Now it’d be better to do that and save your soul than it would be for you to keep on going on with your hard head cause you’re gonna ram into it anyhow.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: You just might as well humble yourself and stupe. And then Paul told Timothy, he said, `for this cause I bow my knees.’ Yes indeed. And he persecuted the church and he seen the.., `for this cause,’ when he seen that incorporeal that Stephen saw when he was being stoned to death, and Paul seen it and `for this cause I bow my knees, I admit that the Sanhedrin Council sent me out here with a license and with authority to accuse you because they said that the soldiers come and stole him away after He had resurrected from the dead, but I seen him myself and, and now I’m ready, I’m ready to die, I’m ready to fight, I’m ready to withstand all opposition of science,’ falsely so called as Paul told Timothy. `I’m ready, I’m prepared.’ And said, when it pleased God who separated him from his mother’s womb to put him in the ministry, when it pleased Him to do that. Oh, I tell you. Oh boy, I tell you it’s something else. That man was caught on up into the 3rd heaven. I wonder why it’s 3 heavens. Don’t you see with it down here: first, second, third. This is the 1st and it’s just backwards, I’m trying to tell you through the scriptures some kinda way so you can understand and he saw in that, in heaven things that are just impossible for him to find lexicographies and etymologies, a word sufficient to describe to your and to my carnal consciousness what he saw there, didn’t make no difference whether.., he spoke with more tongues than all of `em, but tongues just couldn’t tell it, he had to see it. It had to be revealed. The meaning of these things that you just read in the Book has to be revealed.
Now what did I stop you again for, I haven’t lost the continuity of thought, more than likely you have but I haven’t, cause your mind will run off on a tangent and you can’t follow through so then what I have to do every once in a while is go back and bring you up to date. Now we’s talking about, here’s what we’re talking about: to the law and to the testimony and I had Dr. Harris go over there and read it, that Jesus Christ was not mentioned in the law.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: I told you where he was from. Now if they don’t speak like it’s mentioned over there then that’s because there’s no light in `em. Now that was Isaiah that was .., and that was God that said, `I’ll give you a sign,’ wasn’t it. Wasn’t Isaiah that said he’s gonna give no sign. Alright he said behold a virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel. Now what I would, what I would do if it was me and the way I’ve always done it ever since God elevated me out there in the spirit. They say, `behold a virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel.’ Wonder why? No, we got out there and say the Roman Catholic Church, he’s talking about the mother of God being a moth… and you can go on from there, that’s not the way I do. I question God. Why is it that you’re gonna have a virgin to bring forth a son? What’s that for in the first place? A virgin too. I’m not disputing with God that He didn’t say that but I wanna know why He did? Why He said it. What gave Him the idea? You see how I make my investigation.
Now look, listen, we told you that matter come from spirit and spirit didn’t have no conceivable shape and form. And spirit was the sum total of everything. Is that right? Then we told you that God Himself taking on this shape and form or spirit taking on a descriptive shape and form that you could see in visions and revelations. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Then we said after He took on that form He created that angelic host and then afterwards He created the physical host. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: We told you that the invisible is understood by the visible. Is that right?
Student Body: Right. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Then if pure spirit’s taking on this shape and form and incorp.. then He come on down into here and took on this, then (you hear me) the earth itself which is the physical it’s got to be produced in it’s organic and inorganic. That’s got to be a coring mass of physical matter without any descriptive shape or without any descriptive form. You see that? You see it now? If that’s the way this was back here and it would follow through.., if that’s the way that was then that’s the way matter’s got to be. Moses said there: in the beginning. In the beginning of what? The creator? Oh no. In the beginning of his vision. Now we got you up a tree both ways, every kinda way. In the beginning of his vision, not the beginning of the creation cause I told you He created the incorporeal first, the angelic, took on shape and form first and then reflected that down in matter in the physical earth. Is that right? And I’m investigating, I told you the Godhead and everything else. Alright.
Now then matter then, you was reading over there about John on the isle of Patmos, wasn’t you or somebody was. Say now, `what in the world is he reading over there for, what’s he reading here and yonder for.’ I told you that that God that created the heaven and the earth was manifested in a physical body (is that right?) walked around here. Now you’re fixing to read over there in Matthew 1:21. Now we went to the law and we found out in the law that his name shall be called Immanuel and these names have interpretation in hebrew. Alright read in Matthew.
Reader: And she shall bring forth
Dr. Kinley: Where you reading?
Reader: Matthew 1:21
Dr. Kinley: Matthew 1:21. Alright read.
Reader: And she shall bring forth a son
Dr. Kinley: and she shall, this virgin shall bring forth a son
Reader: and thou shall call his name Jesus
Dr. Kinley: and thou shall call his name Jesus
Reader: for he shall save his people from their sins
Dr. Kinley: Now where does Jesus mean save. It’s translated Greek, out.., in the Greek means, Jesus means save, Christ means anointed but that’s not the original, that’s not over there in the scriptures. Well say, `the New testament was written first in Greek.’ I beg your pardon, it wasn’t no such thing. Everything you put your hands on, you don’t realize it, everything you get your hands on is nothing but a profound mess. Now let me show you the colossal stupidity in that. You won’t loose the tr.., you won’t loose the thought will you?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now God is talking to Israel, said, `after those days I’ll make a New Covenant with Israel.’ When he spoke here He spoke in Hebrew, have to speak this cause that’s what they’re speaking, Hebrew. And if God speaks in anything else but Hebrew then they wouldn’t understand what he was talking about, Moses wouldn’t know, neither would the children of Israel. And this is the speaker, this is the first church and this is the, this is the speaker. God was speaking in the church, means congregation and assembly. They were congregated up around Mount Sinai. God is speaking in church , said, `I am the Lord thy God that brought thee out of the land of Egypt out of the house of bondage, thou shalt not have no other gods before me.’ Put it down like it is. That’s me that’s speaking, and that’s the same God that made the New Covenant, that made it with the house of Israel and now He’s gonna make another covenant with the house of Israel, won’t make it like the one He made before. Now, now what I’m telling you about is, what the people think is the New Testament is not the new testament, that ain’t what I’m talking about. God said there in Jeremiah 31, `after those days into their hearts will I write my law, I’m gonna do that.’ And then the devil, he come up twisting and swirling the thing all up. Got Matthew writing the New Testament, Mark writing the New Testament, Luke writing the New Testament, Paul writing the New Testament, John… I don’t care who you wanna put it, fix it up, anybody.
And God said, `I’ll, after those days I’ll do that.’ Now it was God that wrote the, the old one, it’s God that is gonna write the new one. Now listen folks, listen I wanna show you how, how silly it is. Now if it’s God making a New Covenant or making the first one, He’s speaking in Hebrew to them, then it’s the same God that’s making a New Covenant with the same people or a New Testament. Now he’d look like a fool talking to them in greek or writing in Greek to a Hebrew speaking people. What your troubles is, you don’t know the difference between the New Testament and the biography and the doctrine written by the apostles. Almost everything that you can think of is distorted, the name and everything else.
Now look, go back now and read a virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel. Now you got it over here Jesus, now that’s interpolated, that was not over in the original transcribe… Alright read.
Reader: Now all this was done
Dr. Kinley: now all this was done
Reader: that it might be fulfilled
Dr. Kinley: that it might be fulfilled
Reader: which was spoken of
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that folks, cause it’s all right back there.
Reader: which was spoken of the lord
Dr. Kinley: which was spoken of the lord
Reader: by the prophet saying
Dr. Kinley: by the prophet Jer.., Isaiah saying
Reader: behold a virgin shall
Dr. Kinley: behold a virgin shall conceive
Reader: and shall bring forth a son
Dr. Kinley: a shall bring forth a son
Reader: and they shall call his name Immanuel
Dr. Kinley: and they shall call his name Immanuel.
Reader: which being interpreted
Dr. Kinley: Now watch the interpretation.
Reader: is: God with us.
Dr. Kinley: Which is… Now you remember I told you God Himself was manifested in that body which by interpretation, a virgin has brought forth that son, a virgin bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel, which by interpretation is God with us. The God that made the universe and it’s totality is now in the form, shape and form of a physical man and Paul is looking at it and said God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. That’s the reason why when He spoke everything responded. Why? Because this is the Creator that brought everything into existence that’s manifested in this body. Without controversy, without any argument or without any scientific or philosophical or academic research of any kind, without controversy or without no debating or argumentation, without controversy great is the mystery of God. God was manifested. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And that virgin brought Him forth. Do you see that now? `Thou shalt call his name Immanuel.’ The reason why His name was called Immanuel because He was God that was in that body. Sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not as you had under the law, but a body (Hebrews the 10th chapter) and David speaking sacrifices and burnt off… What are you offering up sacrifices and burnt offerings and all of them foot washings, all of this water baptism, all these things that you did in the natural sense that was stipulated in the first covenant, God was not satisfied with it in the first place. Said `sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldst not but a body hast thou prepared for me, then said I Lo I come in the volume of the Book.’ `What are you talking about?’ `I’m coming like the law and the prophets said I would come, in the volume of the Book as it is written of me.’ `What are you gonna do when you get here?’ `Do thy will of God.’ `What’s happening?’ He’s taking away the first that He might establish the second.
And now here those people are out there dib dabbling with the thing that was under the Old Covenant, the natural ordinances and things, when he’s come in to fulfill and to move `em out of the way and when you dib dabble with foot washing, dib dabble with any of `em you deny that that same God incarnated in that body that gave and instituted the law was incarnated in that body. And He was the only one that could move it. And He told the Jews, `don’t you think that I come to destroy the law or the prophets, I come to fulfill; verily, verily, I saw unto you that one jot or one title of the law shall in no wise pass until it is all fulfilled.’ When He had fulfilled everything, bowed His head in the locks of His shoulders, hung out on Golgotha on the cross, He said, `it’s finished.’ `What is finished?’ `I am finished fulfilling the law and changed the ___, the natural is changed so that the law of the spirit might come of effect. And when you bring it up here in these congregations and all, you deny that He took all those carnal ordinances when He died, you deny that He’s made a New Covenant, you deny that He removed the old one; and that’s why Jude is complaining, Jude said, `these angels that sinned, God has cast them down unto hell bound into chains of darkness to be reserved.’ These ole lying dogs out there calling theirself preaching, waving their license around, talking about a DD, masquerading his credentials: `I went to Morehouse Theological Seminary, I went to Paine Theological Seminary, I went to Yale, I went to Harvard, I went to Washington, here is my degree.’ Now you’re supposed to accept that as a partaker but when you get it in the scriptures, you find the spirit there.
A carnal mind can’t penetrate that spiritual realm, subject to thinking.., yes I’ve been carnal just like you, all of you have been from Adam on down; all ___, that’s why it necessitates a new birth. Nobody got no business running around boasting and blowing and bragging about something, ain’t nobody got no preeminence over nobody. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And you’re no smarter than nobody else. God give you a sufficient amount of intelligence to understand and to comprehend His purpose. As it says over there in the 1st chapter of St. John, `God enlighteneth every man that comes in the world’: give you a sufficient amount of intelligence. Now if you wanna stand straight up and look at the thing as it is as it is revealed from God and then deny.., for me and my part, I’ve done my job.
And shall call his name Immanuel which is by interpretation – God with us. Now He’s been walking around and saying, `look,’ telling `em, `I ain’t come in my own name, I come in my father’s name.’ `What is your Father’s name?’ `Yahweh.’ `What’s your name?’ `Yahshua.’ What’s the name of the Holy Ghost? Elohim. Hebrew names, not Greek. That’s why He come in His Father’s name. And He walked around (now you watch), He walked around talking about `My Father, My Father.’ Boys, 12 of `em, one of `em said this, Philip, `now you been talking about your Father a long time, thought your father’s name was supposed to be Joseph and your mother’s name is Mary; now you been talking about your Father, now you show us your Father, make it clear, so we won’t be in no more debt.’ Are you listening now? Then He talks to him, says, `Philip, have I been so long a time with you and you don’t know me; when you see Me, you see the Father, when you really see me, I proceeded and come forth from the Father and when you see me you see the Father.’ I told you matter come from spirit. I told you that pure spirit, or a line of demarkation or incorporealization come from spirit and when you see where I come from and where I go back to then there’s no more question about it. Now when you see that then you see the Father. God that made the universe was manifested in a body, sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not but body hast thou prepared for me and said, `lo I come in the volume of the Book as it is written of me to do thy will of God.’ Well, the Sanhedrin Council said, `well, if he’s, alright, if he’s the Messiah, why didn’t He report up here to us, the 70, before He went out yonder and hooting and hollering out there and running around out here in the wilderness and around through Galilee and Jerusalem, first one place and the other; why didn’t He come to see us about it? and tell us that He was the Messiah.’ That’s what the rabbis wrote, I got the book at home.
Well now when He was 12 years old, He come back out of Egypt. At 12, when He was 13 He was considered grown, you’re responsible for your own self. When He was 12 years old and the prophets said God shall suddenly appear to Israel. He went up there to the feast of the Passover and he was 12 years old at that time when Mary and Joseph and them went on in the crowd and went on back to where He come from. And they left Him up there and He’s up there talking with the Sanhedrin council, the doctors of the law, the doctors, smart boys, suddenly appeared. They were astonished at what that lad had said, at His doctrine. Is that what your Book says? Then Mary and Joseph and them, they’re going on with the crowd, just like the rest of `em do, right on with the crowd a whole day ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ assuming He was in the crowd. By and by ___ ___ ___ where He was, couldn’t find Him, go on out back up to Jerusalem, back up there at that passover and when they found Him, He was up there in the temple talking to the doctors, the Sanhedrin Council, the smart boys, the scribes, the wise men, them that controlled and governed Israel, that interpreted the law, and they were astonished at the things that He said. And when they found Him this is what they said to Him, said, `now look here boy, don’t you know no better than that.’ Said, `don’t you know we went a whole days journey here and we assumed you was in the crowd, you ought not to do like that.’ He said, `say look here woman, don’t you know.., I’m going on 13, it’s time for me to be about my father’s, Yahweh’s business.’ And don’t you see Him suddenly appearing at the temple, and they didn’t know Him when He appeared, they didn’t know who He.., they didn’t know nothing about Him and yet the prophets said a virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and they told even where He was supposed to be born in Bethlehem of Judea.’ I ain’t got time to go into all of that. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And you remember Herod, all this fulfilling law and prophecy. Herod, you know, had them children slaughtered and the, God appeared to Joseph in a dream and told him to take the young child and flee into Egypt. And that was done when the children were slain, says, `Rachel weeping for her children.’ That’s what the prophecy said that’s what He would do. Oh, everything, every move He made from the time He’s conceived, you just said there a virgin shall conceive. Ain’t that what the annunciation said, said that which is conceived is of the Holy Ghost, virgin, virgin give birth to a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel which is by interpretation God with us. Children I know what I’m talking about, I’m not guessing, I’m not speculating and if you hear me you’ll save your soul.
Now, they didn’t know and they went on through years and finally by and by and when they crucified Him out there, they didn’t know. Paul said if they had known, 2nd chapter of 1st Corinthians, said if they had known they never would have crucified the Lord of glory.
And when Peter got up after Pentecost, after he’d received the Holy Ghost, said, you, all the house of Israel know, all, the whole shooting match, everybody, all of you will know of assuredly that you with wicked hands, you have taken and crucified the Lord and Christ. And God has raised Him up from the dead. `Now what must,’ now when they heard that they was pricked in their… Say now, `what’s shall we do?’ Said, `repent, apologize everyone of you and be immersed in His name, or baptized in His name.’ Somebody said, `well now I thought you didn’t believe in water baptism.’ Well they wasn’t talking about water baptism and they was preaching up there, Jesus Himself (John 5:39) `ye that believeth on me as the scriptures have said, you reading back.., you’re reading in the law as the scriptures have said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.’ And you know just as well as I do the Colorado River or nothing like that don’t run out of nobody’s belly, as John said, `this spake He of the spirit,’ but at the time that He spoke those words the spirit was not yet given. And when Peter and them was preaching out there on the Day of Pentecost, was preaching according to the scriptures, living water was flowing (you be immersed in that) repent and apologize everyone, nobody got no excuse, Paul is saying.
Virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son. Virgin shall conceive and if I told you, now I’m questioning now, why did God say a virgin shall conceive? Now you read over there in Isaiah a virgin would conceive, you read over here in Matthew, now I’m questioning God, now why in the world did He say that? Now you read that. Now you don’t know where to read. You get the point? You are lost for chapter and verse, running references, you don’t know where to look, where to read, you can have.., a concordance ain’t gonna help you, you just, you just don’t know where to read. Well I told you that matter, if, if, if everything come from spirit, took on incorporeal and then come down into matter and then you’re reading about John on the Isle of Patmos, now here you are you’re back over in Genesis and I told you I’d explain the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
Now I’m questioning what’s John doing on the Isle of Patmos and whether what they said about this or whether he was there or not. You have to do something with me. Now if John was on, if John wasn’t on the Isle of Patmos, Moses wasn’t either, ___ ___ ___ ___. Jesus told them boys (now you listen at me) He told them that the devil would cause some of `em to be beheaded and he’s gonna put `em.., for my name’s sake to suffer ___ ___ one ___ ___ for his name’s sake, and He looked over down in, Pete and them looked over there (now you have to follow me cause if you don’t, you can’t see what I’m talking about, you can’t understand) looked over there and there’s John, He didn’t say anything about what was gonna happen to John. Right on the carpet they put Him, they asked Him about it. Say, `well what about this fella, John?’ Pete. ___ ___ ___. And this is what He said, `What if I will that he tarry till I come, what’s that your business?’ Now his life was preserved. Peter – that he might be led to Babylon in order to show you or he’s off in Babylon; James, Herod put him to death, chopping block. Many of `em had been put to death. And here’s John, he’s escaped all of those things. Why? And he’s got to be on the Isle of Patmos. And now this beginning and this end, they got to be just alike. Now Moses saw the earth surrounded by water in the beginning of his vision, in the beginning of the vision. Doc you help me now. You all help me with the charts cause I’m gonna try to get through `em as quick as I possibly can. But now, his, his life was preserved.
Moses had said and you said to the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word,
TAPE 2 SIDE 1
Dr. Kinley: virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Immanuel. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, look, matter come from spirit and its inorganic, that’s unorganized, a mass, a coring mass. I use the words amalgamation, conglomerated, it means a coring mass of undescribable of any particular shape and form, that’s matter, that’s the condition that it come from, having passed through various stages, comes on down through the physical atomic, molecular, cosmographical structure of the universe and it’s being created by the pattern, by God Himself. The invisible’s understood by the visible and if the invisible come from.., took on incorporeal then created, then the visible coring mass of matter, it’s got to be surrounded by water, the earth has got to be surrounded by water and Moses is seeing Him in the beginning of his vision, in the beginning, in Genesis.
Now that’s the way Moses seen it. If you take the 24th chapter of Exodus there then you’ll see that he went up in that mountain and God is showing this to him in a vision, shows him the production of the earth. He shows him the man, Adam tooken, taken out of the bowels and the womb of mother earth, now here comes this virgin, God the father from whence it comes, mother earth – the mother. The bowels and womb of mother earth before any sin is committed upon her God reached in the bowels and He knew that virgin mother earth and took that woman out of there, just like this one proceeds and come from indescribable; and therefore God shall, if it was that way in that case then a virgin would have to conceive and bring forth a son and thou would have to call his name Immanuel, which is by interpretation the Creator with us, and the body that He had was immaculate and He was immaculate with the spirit within. Now, you understand now, you following me through? That’s why Isaiah said… Now this is the law back over here and this is the pro.., I mean what Moses is writing in Genesis and then here’s the prophet over here.
And that’s the way that matter.., when it comes, 1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day and so forth and so on and it’s taking on shape and form. And vegetation, the flowers – every time you come up on that operation it goes through that vail. Now you all show `em now. Everything.., now you’re coming down from here and back here and every time you come through that, that vail.., each one of these days that Moses is seeing this vision up here on the mount. And he’s just writing down, telling you what he saw in the vision, now in the beginning of the vision, the earth was surrounded by water (now watch,) if that’s true we got to see Him out there in the 24th chapter of Exodus the 9th and 10th.., before he sees the creation, vision of creation, and he writes down what he sees, he said the cloud covered the mountain 6 days. And Moses was 6 days seeing that vision running back over it. He sees in that vision, he sees God create the heaven and the earth and he sees it without shape and form, he sees it surrounded by water, he sees God divide the light from the darkness. Now listen, don’t you see the veils dividing between here, don’t you see that. Then God divided the light from the darkness, God divided the waters above from the water beneath. Now you see what them boys is doing over there… I’m working right by that pattern. You can’t tell me nothing cause you don’t know nothing to tell me. Tell me why God divided the light from the darkness, why God divided waters above from beneath, and why God divided the forms of the biological kingdom from the ontological kingdom. Every time you come up on that veil there, then you got to go on up into ethereal space, show them birds flying through the midst of.., well now you got the angels on this vail here, in other place you’ve got the stars.
I’m scrutinizing out everything, godhead and everything there is in nature. I’m fully conscious of who I am, as I told you last Sunday I know who you are. Going by that pattern. Now if you don’t go by it, I see you made a mess out of it.
Now here’s some scientific smart alec, he’s studying science. Well Jimmy let this be your break, this’ll be your turn. 1st Timothy 6:20. Somebody else get Daniel 1:4.
Scientific smart alec – always trying to show somebody how smart they are. Says, `Look here, let me tell you something, you know, ever hear anything about Locklace.’ `Yes, Locklace was a astronomer, a mathematician, he wrote a great big book, then took it to the king and asked the king to read it and give him a comment on it. The king took the book and read it all the way through,’ said, `what’s your comment.’ Said, `I didn’t see where you said anything at all about God in the book’ when he read it. Locklace said, `well, I didn’t say.., I, I, I’m doing this, God ain’t doing it, I, I’m not doing this.’ He left God completely out of it. The king questioned him about it. Said, `God ain’t doing the creating, it’s me.’
Now that’s the Locklace theory of cosmogony or origin, we go on back into what you just about think into oblivion now, the cosplastic theory of evolution of the creation, now called cosplastic, those words means this: that something molded and then shaped and then formed (CLAPS) plasted them together and then they call that cosplastic, that’s a fable. Be hard for you to find that in them books?
Then we come on down to another one and it’s what we call the more modern and that’s the planetesimal system of cosmogony. I wanna let you know I studied `em and I wanna let you know I know what everybody else knows. Now the planetesimal means this: that the sun was produced out yonder, first it was in its gaseous state and as friction operated in, among the friction operated among the atomic elements of matter which is particles of dust that invades the atmospherial realm and as they continued to operate, flying off in the center of centrifical force, then they crystallized, and then as they crystallized – it’s just like rolling up a snow ball and a piece break off and fly out yonder and formed this, that, and the other planets. Now that’s the planetesimal system of cosmogony, planetesimal, they’re creating, the boys, scientists.
And finally they got down to the place, they said, `well look here you remember reading back there about the dinosaurs?’ Now they.., `we done got so smart, now we gone on back to the prehistoric, oh we’re so smart you couldn’t touch us with a red hot.’ Said, `now you know good and well them big ole dinosaurs,’ says, `the archeologist has dug down there and the geologists has dug down there in the earth and they’ve got those great big bones of those mastodons and they’ve assembled `em together, the structure.., and they’ve put `em in the museums all around over the country and you can go on in there and see `em. They’re great big ones, and now what happened to them?’ Well said, `Yes, I’m sorry and all but, now wait a minute, now this is prehistoric, there ain’t nobody wrote on this and what we’re doing now that’s pre, before history begin to be written, pre or before historic, we’re scientist, we’re researchers.’ `What happens to them?’ Said, `well I’ll tell you, during the glacial period of the earth, she was in a frigid state: the snow and ice melted off of the mountains, the glacial period, slid off and then covered up and inundated or covered them dinosaurs and their bones are petrified in the clay, that’s way back yonder, in the carboniferous and the oceanan, they are prehistoric.’ He said, `now, that’s why I believe in studying science cause I’ve gone on beyond the cloud, and we’re presenting to you nothing but facts,’ as if though God didn’t create the dinosaurs and as though this thing was prehistoric, and Moses, he is writing the pre.., the history of the creation of heaven and earth and he’s telling you on the 5th day those creatures and things, the dinosaurs and all the rest of `em, he’s writing the history of the creation itself. Here’s matter and every… creation and Moses is writing that. Now how can you get any further back than that Writing the history of it himself. Can’t be nothing prehistoric that’s not wrote of, but this is coming from God and Moses is just writing down what he seen in the vision. Okay. Now that’s back here, you better get over yonder. Get on that board, get that chalk. I’m trying to play dean now. And I’m telling you that God is elevated me all the time, now then that’s the antediluvian and the postdiluvian. No, you just might just as well sit here. You ain’t going no where and learn nothing about it.
Now then, Moses is writing the history. Now he said in these days back here, Moses said there was giants. Man made in the likeness and image of God. And God is great. And this is that great and heavenly anthropomorphic being there, that occupies eternity and man being made in His likeness and His image, he was a great big man, wasn’t no runt like me, and so also were the animals, and you have the dinosaurs. See that? Man great big man, like a great god and a great big man, everything is made from the man. Now as man’s comprehension and understanding, which the mystery was hid in God until time for it to be revealed. Now when it’s revealed, that mystery which is hid in God is revealed and as they begin to see visions and revelations, then that man, he begins to diminish, he begins to diminish as a great big physical man. And here his intelligence and understanding begins to ___ ___ and enlarge and that little brain, that, that little thing within your body, it’s going down, and down goes the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs’ll get down to a mouse or get down to an ant, just like you. You come on down, you’re a little bitty fellow, a little bitty runt, but you’re enlarged in your intelligence, in the capacity of your intelligence. See what happened to the dinosaurs, see what happened to the man, see what happened to them giants. Well, you can go over here in the islands around and you can find little pygmies even smaller than we are. And as we come on down from one generation to the other, now we’re down to this. Then somebody said, `well now why then are you diminishing like that?’ Why? I just got through telling you a while ago that you come from spirit and you’re on your way back. Can’t you see why you’re diminishing here, you’re going back yonder. Oh me, it’s wonderful, ain’t it? Ain’t that right? It’s so great.
Now, what happened now? You lost the continuity of thought? I told you that Moses saw the earth surrounded by water back there in the beginning of his vision and, and he saw this form first, and then he saw the tabernacle, then he saw the earth surrounded by water in.., that’s in the beginning of his vision. Now if that’s so, then John he’s got to go on the isle of Patmos. Patmos is surrounded by water. That’s what an island is. If that’s the way Moses seen it back here, then that’s what John’s got to. That’s why his life was preserved, that’s why he couldn’t be killed cause he had to get out there and confirm what Moses was writing, his life was preserved, God in that body preserved his life, couldn’t nobody put him to death, couldn’t nobody could put Jesus to death, He said, `I of my own self,’ talking about the Jews killing Christ and the Gentiles killing Christ. No, that ain’t the way it is. That was the purpose of God, He was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. God knew what Adam was gonna do before he put him in the Garden. There ain’t no surprises around here. Prepared the sacrifice before He put him in there; in other words He declared the end from the beginning. Somebody said, `well I wanna tell God on you, you know prayer changes things.’ I beg your pardon, it don’t change a thing. You don’t do nothing but recite, it ain’t gonna change nothing. Purpose of God is going right on. Now when you have the Holy Ghost in you, you’ll pray. The Holy Ghost prays or in harmony with the purpose of God and therefore everything that was ever prayed or ever uttered by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost it’s never gone unfulfilled. Now the reason why you don’t get no answer to them prayers because James said that if you pray, you ask amiss or out of harmony with the purpose of God, that’s the reason why you don’t receive nothing cause you ask amiss. You’re out there asking God for a loaf of bread, and there’s people dying, a whole lot of things, somebody here is just nutty enough to walk up and say.., and they’ve said this to me because people have been healed of all kinds of diseases right in this school. Am I lying?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: And he’s not the only doctor incident, all kinds, cancer, ain’t nothing happened to nobody. I told you that God gave me a vision and a revelation, since you seek a proof of God speaking in me… I told you that I have walked along.., the same God that created the heaven and the earth incarnated in this black body you see here. When I speak, I’ve spoken, and I don’t care what it is, it’s got to go, if I say it, it goes. Somebody said, `well, I don’t believe it.’ It don’t make no difference whether you do or not, you can lie against your own conscience if you want to.
Yes I know the country’s full of ministers talking about that. Ain’t that right? One fella said to me, I’m gonna tell you about it. Said, `well I took Dr. Frank B. Robinson’s advanced course,’ Dr. Robinson was out in California; said he had a plan prepared, he knew he was supposed to loose his home, and he sent his wife and children on back to Mosco, Idaho. And he’s gonna stake up some money the best he could, and out of what he had left of the profits, and then he, he gets despondent, and he threw himself across his bed and he said, now he’s gonna pray his last prayer. `Last one I’ll ever pray to an unknown God,’ he was despondent from heart broke ___ ___ of him with tears streaming down his cheeks, he woke up with this joy, and he got out of there. I ain’t got time to go through the whole story and so then he went to work and he was put into execution, and he begin.., he even owned the “Mosco Idaho Time Star,” had a great big typewriter in his own home and he was a multimillionaire. And this boy said he took.., that Dr. Robinson said, when he threw hisself across that bed, he talked with God and he’s teaching him in an elementary and an advanced course how to talk with God. Now here he comes up and he says, `I’m working for Wright Aeronautical, I’m a janitor too,’ mopping the floors and oiling `em, I’m doing floors,‘ he didn’t want a regular job, `but I’m offered a good job, they promoted me, from mopping, grease and oil.’ And this boy standing down there around the sub store. And he said that one thing about it, and he was talking about creation and talking about how wonderful Dr. Frank B. Robinson was. Now I was in that business too. Then he said, `now,’ he said, `I’ve got my invitation to go to be examined and be inducted into the army.’ Said, `now that’s the only thing in my life that I don’t want to do.’ Said, `I don’t want to go into the army and kill nobody, that’s against my principles and what I believe.’ He’s standing there in the crowds, said, `please don’t call us up,’ listening to him talk about how great Dr. Frank B. Robinson is, and a old soap box and mop sitting right there by him. So I took to him and said, `say listen, I’m no world famous psychologist, and you see what I’m doing, but if I say you don’t go to the army, you don’t go, what about that?’ (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I want to let him know my, my boss in here. Said, `I’ve already had my card to go down and be examined.’ I wanted him to realize that he was talking to God right there in that body. I want him to get that through his thick head, and that it was God in me. Now I don’t have no preeminence, and I.., don’t think I’m boasting over above you cause you’re the same thing I am. And I said, `if I say you don’t go, you don’t go.’ He said, `well, hurry up and say it, cause I don’t wanna go.’ I said, `it don’t work like that, I have to have witnesses for everything I do.’ Said, `what must I do?’ Meet me on the corner of Wayne and Wyoming Avenues in, in Lockland, Ohio, 7:30 PM sharp. I don’t wait on nobody. He said `I’ll be there.’ 7:30 I stepped off of the Valley bus at the corner of Wayne and Wyoming Avenue in Lockland and that man stepped out of his automobile, said, `here I am.’ I walked across the street at the light, he said, `what do I do now?’ I said, `get back in the car.’ He got back in the car and we went to Glendale, Ohio. He and I, and we went to Sister Hodo’s house. Would you mind standing up Sister Hodo. Thank you. That’s the woman’s house we went to. I introduced him to the class and I said as I introduced him to class, incidently there was another theological group there too. Sister Harris was there. Get up, I want the people to see you. Sister Farley you were there. Is anybody else was there at that meeting? Now I said to him, told `em what he said, asked him to state his case, looked him straight in the face, said, `now look,’ (thank you), `now look, if there’s nobody in the world that can put you in the army, when I speak, I have spoken, they can’t do that.’ Nobody can, Uncle Sam, Uncle John or nobody else. Now what I’m showing him is that that was my Father that spoke in me and nobody can over override God and do nothing. You can’t understand, you don’t know nothing about ___ ___. You see that now? Then, `John don’t you tell nobody.’ I have to cut it up short, we have to go. John went around whispering to everybody, it got circulated all around. And look I just had a long string of `em coming to me to keep `em out of the army. Gill, are you here? Stand up. There’s one of ‘em. Now look, I said, `they’ll put you in the army but I’ll take you out.’ Did I lie about it? You see folks this thing of running your mouth and yak yaking and yak yaking and all of this stuff, this carnal mind (thank you Gill.) You get the point? And you don’t realize and you don’t recognize, and you telling me about, `I’m in a hurry, I got to go,‘ Good. Where? `I ain’t got time.’ Where, you tell me. And then you standing around here and you telling me God created the heaven and earth in 6 days and here you can’t got 2 hours to wait. You want me to tell you all about great God of this stellar universe in 2 hours, and then put you to a, that was 4000 years and they ain’t understood the thing yet, now you want me to tell you all about it in…
And when I do things to prove to you that it is my Father speaking in me. And I have did so many things. And as I said to you the other night, you don’t know nobody. You never read after nobody. You don’t know nobody did any greater things than I have done. And when I say that, I mean I’m in the Father. Cancer been healed, dead been raised. These people are witness, they’re not in this school following me around just because I’m, I’m cute or pretty or something or got a whole lot of money or something. They’ve come to me for bread, `Doc, I’m broke, I don’t have a penny and I know you ain’t got nothing.’ I’m talking about thousands, 2000 dollars. Called a woman in Columbus, said `well that man you’re talking about there ain’t nothing to him,’ her brother was in prison over in London, Ohio. She lived in Columbus. She said, `well look, if you let me have your car, mine ain’t running so well, I wanna go over here to Springfield, I wanna go in and see Doc, get my brother out.’ $500. Do you think that man’s gonna let you have $500? Said, `it’s alright, you just let me have your car.’ Well now it just proves to you that he won’t, you take my new car, I’m gonna prove it to you that there ain’t nothing to that man.’ She got in that car, come over there to my house. Kellham’s sitting here, looking at me and a whole lotta, I, I could.., just.., take me 2 or 3 weeks to tell you about it, all of these things that’s happened in this school. $500. And he’s proving to her that there ain’t nothing to me. She took up to $500 and went on back to ___ London and got the boy and took him on home, took his car on back to him. His wife’s setting back there, I can’t run around here and lie like these dogs, and all these people know all about these things. And I’m not trying to parade myself as being anything over above anybody else. I am not. And I ain’t got no patience and no time to get up and talk about.., but I let everybody speak in this pulpit wants to. I’ve been doing it for going on 34 years and demand for you to set there and listen to `em. And some have got sore with me about it but I want you to see the difference for yourself.
Now John was on the Isle of Patmos and it’s surrounded by water, and the earth is surrounded by water. And John had to be on there, and Moses seen him in this, in this state, 24th chapter ___ verse. John being on the Isle of Patmos, he had to see the same thing, had to be surrounded by water here and it’s surrounded by water here. And now John has got to confirm this vision of Moses because the end is declared from the beginning, so in the beginning of this and in the beginning of that it’s got to be the same thing. So he’s on the Isle of Patmos for the Word of God and for the testimony. Now Moses is this way, coming from Alpha to Omega and John is here going back to confirm it. So John when he’s on the Isle of Patmos, he heard a voice behind him as the voice of many waters. Why that? Why that? Moses said and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and John said he had to have heard that voice as a voice of many waters, it was behind him. Why? Because Moses is going this way (show it to ‘em, now you all watch these boys that are on these charts) so John, ah Moses is going this way to the end and John is coming back from the end back to the beginning, looking at it. So he hears a voice behind him, and he had to turn and when he turned he saw Him with the garment down to His feet and a golden girdle about his paps, just like Moses saw Him there. And we told you a while ago that God was the archetype pattern, we told you that the purpose of God was to gather all that there was in heaven and all there was in the earth into His Son. Is that what we told you?
Now then.., we told you about him seeing that tabernacle, his feet as burnished brass is the golden altar, the kidneys in your body is the.., the door and vail and each one of these vessels pointed to Him but this was He that was transfigured or transformed in you, and that’s why he had to see Him, head white, cloud – your brain, gray hair, the Alpha and the Omega, the Ancient of Days that abode in the cloud and you can picture that. Eyes when that shekinah when the High Priest went in there and threw that blood toward the mercy seat 7 times, and finished the service in that tabernacle, a light flashed in there, the Jews call it the shekinah. A light flashed in there, there was no other light in there. Now if you look back in the chaosis in the 1st chapter of Genesis there you see that Paul said that God that commanded light to shine out of darkness has shined in our hearts, your mind your ignorance and the illumination of God that commanded the light to shine and it’s shined in our hearts and abolish that chaosis and that carnal mind, in that this heart, it’s flashed in that shekinah, and then that High Priest knew that God was pleased with the way he carried that service. And then once every year on the 10th day of October, which it don’t fall on the same day all the time. You see where he was pointing to up there, the light that shined out of darkness, just like God said, `let there be light’ and there was light. And God said let there be light up here.., the carnal mind. And Paul said that God that commanded light to shine out of darkness is shining in our hearts to give a knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. You see that now, see why He did that? See why He even brought the earth in and its amalgamation and conglomeration of coring mass and then order, order, form, shape, vegetation, flowers, birds, the bees and the what not (now it’s enlarged over there, this is ___, showing here the enlarged over there.)
Now here’s a smart alek come up and say, `say look I tell you right now, this is enough to get me killed.’ Now he come in here and said, `you know one thing,’ said, `when the Jews that come out,’ he was a Jew himself, Saul Gould I’m talking about, Dr. Harris. And he said, `You know I think that when the Israelites went through here they.., Red Sea,’ said, `that was low tide.’ and you got some speculation now in your book that instead of being the Red Sea, the Sea of Reeds. Said, `I thought was, I think it was low tide.’ Now you remember God told Moses to go down here in Egypt and tell Pharaoh to let the children go 3 days journey, 3 days journey in the wilderness that ye might.., I said 3 days. Now you would read over that and you know what it’s all about, `going them 3 days,’ going right along. You don’t know what it’s all about, `the Bible says ___.’ Now you out to, that ___ ___. What did I say 3 days journey for? Just like I questioned about `well why did God tell Isaiah that a virgin, well, what’d He say in this for?’ That’s the way you got to talk to me. Alright, 3 days journey. Now look, there’s 3 days from Ramses to the Red Sea, and the Red Sea opened up. I ain’t got time to tell you all… The children of Israel baptized in the cloud and in the Sea and went through there on dry ground. Well then if that’s so then you see here’s the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd day, the waters covering the face of the earth. Now if this is a low tide and they went through there, what about this up here? On the 3rd day day and God moved the waters off the face of the earth and let the dry land appear and the vegetation penetrates the soil. Now if the Jews could have understood that in the first place, when they rolled that stone up to the door and Christ was buried in Joseph’s new tomb, then the seed of Abraham, in the anthropological as it was manifested in the vegetable kingdom, they never wouldn’t have done that. And it was on the third day. God moved the waters off, the third day here, third day there. And 3 days from that, that virgin mother brought forth that man, Adam. You see what I’m talking about? You see it? Do you see how it works? Alright, Christ is crucified and buried in Joseph’s new tomb in the ___, raised from the dead the 3rd day. Why? What’d the angel come down and rolled the stone away on the 3rd day. Why did the waters roll off the face of the earth on the 3rd day? Why did God tell Israel to go 3 days journey into the wilderness, and opened up the Red Sea? You see how you have to talk to me? You’re reading the story back here and it rained 40 days and 40 nights? Now how do you know? How long was Israel in the wilderness? Try 40 years. How did you know? That might be a story steeped in the Greek cyclops of mythology, Hebrew superstition. You have to do better than that with me.
In other words I’m talking about proving the divine authenticity, the accuracy and the infallibility of this Bible. How do you know why the ark was built? Lower deck, middle deck, and the upper deck. How do you know? Israel come out of Egypt and went through Red Sea and camped in the wilderness 40 years and then they crossed over the River Jordan unto Joshua and went into Canaan’s Land. You told me you was pneuma, psyche, soma, soul, body and spirit and you said that the ark was 3 fold, you said the man was 3 fold. You went into the atomic structure of the earth and you said a atom was a proton, neutron, and electron forms one atom. Now I’m asking you why? You call yourself a great big scientist, you’re a smart boy. You see what I mean? Rained 40 days and 40 nights. Israel went 1 day for a year, Israel went in the wilderness and stayed there 40 years. Christ died and was buried in Joseph’s new tomb, and raised from the dead. Couldn’t see him. ___ ___ got to stay right there 40 days, 40 nights. The question is why? See how you have to talk to me? Said.., I say don’t nobody know nothing about God’s business but God Himself ___ revealed to him, so it’d have to be God in me, God in you. I don’t have no preeminence over nobody. And now, every transgression and every disobedience be avenged, and nobody got no way of escape. And the angels that sinned God cast them down, you can’t get away with nothing.
And here’s the pope setting over yonder with the keys, opening up heaven and all like a that. He’s got the keys to the treasure of indulgences. Christ said to Peter whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you loose in heaven shall be loosed on earth; and he’s got the keys. Didn’t Christ said that, that whosoever sins you remit, shall be remitted unto you. Didn’t He say that to Peter? Sure He said that to Peter. I didn’t dispute that He did, but what your trouble is you don’t know what the keys are. If you did, you wouldn’t be setting up there making an ass out of yourself. Well here’s the keys. Tell `em what the keys are Doc. Law and the testimony. He comes just like that, He came in the volume of the Book, just like written, that’s the keys. And that’s the ___ that’ll open up and that’s the same ___ ___ ___. And now he’s ___ with Peter that, `what I tell unto one I tell unto all.’ After He resurrected from the dead, He sat down and told them. Said, `these are the things that I been telling you about’ (Luke 24:44), give `em all the keys and they speak according to the law and the testimony. James, he even writes about it, he said this, said, `Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are and he prayed and it rained not in days of Elijah, `because he prayed for it 3 years and a half. And Elijah, and the prophet was praying, and it didn’t rain 3 and a half years. At the end of that 3 1/2 years he went back and prayed again and it rained. Now somebody said, `well, what’s that got to do with price of the things in China.’ Jesus was walking around here 3 1/2 years and the Holy Ghost was not poured out; it didn’t rain, 3 1/2 years it didn’t rain. The end of that 3 1/2, this man stepped aboard that cloud and poured out the Holy Ghost, it rained. You see what I’m talking about, you understand? That’s why ___. Now all of this whole chart, let me say this, don’t make no difference where you look, don’t make no, and all of those charts to look, it don’t, it don’t make no difference. Let me say these things to you. Now it don’t make no difference where you look, if you noticed here this is divided up all the way down. Now I have to keep that thing just like that cause I’m making everything, everything by that pattern, all through heaven, all through earth, all through matter and everything. Doc put your pointer on that altar there, see that fire on the altar. See it? Fire, that’s the brazen altar, that’s in the pattern, you see that fire on that altar? And that altar’s is out in the Outer Court. You see that laver there with the water in it? Do you see that now?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that’s the way the pattern is. Now that’s the way I have to go, going right up by that pattern, cause that’s the function of the spirit. And that goes on all the way through the dispensations and ages,
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Dr. Kinley: and anytime you get your foot out of line, I got you. I got you. I don’t care where you go, heaven or, or on earth, or hell or anywhere, I got you. Now it just ain’t gonna do you no good to do no arguing. Nobody, nowhere has been able to stand up under this, in no time, no where. And I’ve stood up against the smartest of the men. Now you got that on the altar there. Now here you, you come up, you’re a scientist and a smart alec. `___ ___ ___ ___,’ member I told you that that whole chart was made, creation and everything made by that. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And here you are a scientist, a smart alec for the most part, and you dig down in the bowels and womb of mother earth, and you say the integral part of the earth is fire. Is that right? Answer me.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now here’s the altar, it’s the earth, see that fire on it and it’s down there. Don’t you see the earth itself, all the scientist can do is confirm it, over in Germany, or over in, Krushchev, it don’t, it don’t mean nothing to me. It looks just like an ant crawling around on the ground. And if we over here in America knew what it was all about, we wouldn’t need no shooting’ guns, see it’s a read God. Paul said, `the weapons of our warfare, they are not carnal, but they’re mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringeth every thought into the obedience of Christ.’ Now Paul looked at that and said, `now I beseech you brethren by the mercies of God that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.’ Dr. Mitchell said here the other night, and here was the comment that come from it, it come to me, he said, `you can’t live holy.’ I agree with him, you can’t. He said, `I ain’t gon.., I don’t wanna believe that no more ignorance.’ Well I’m telling you, you can’t. If there’s anything gonna be lived.., you had 4030 some years to prove it and you haven’t done nothing about it yet. And why should you imagine that you could live something now. You just can’t do it. Now, now listen, now if Christ’s in you, Paul said, `I’m crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me, the life which I now live, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.’ You can’t do nothing, it’s the Spirit of God in you that controls you, that’s what it is that delivers you; it’s not you. And if you could have done that, wouldn’t have been no sense in Him coming to do it. You see what I mean? Always somebody standing around talking about `I am and how great I am and what all I’ve done.’ You ain’t nothing, there ain’t nothing. Somebody says, `well I know you, I know your dad there, I know George Kinley, there wasn’t nothing to him, he was a drunk, he didn’t have no reputation, no coat of arms or nothing, I don’t see nothing outstanding about him.’ Talking about my father in the flesh. `There ain’t nothing to your old man, everybody knows him.’ Well listen, there ain’t nothing to my old man and there ain’t nothing to you nor your ole man, like old man’s old man. Run it back to Adam.
Student Body: (LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: You see what I mean? The pope over here walking around talking about Him and His holiness. Why the hell with it, (you know what I mean?) all of our righteousness is as filthy rags. You and your righteousness, him and his righteousness. And you all tightened and pumped up in your carnal mind thinking you’re doing something. And you know good and well you won’t hardly get out down to the bottom of them steps down there before you think something you ought not to have thought. You see what I’m talking about? About them hypocrite around, I’m talking about in these churches you know. The devil done said, `do you know if you get all.., cut that stuff out and come on and start on your way to heaven.’ And he takes ___ starting, talking about the prodigal son and that kind of stuff. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Is that what the preachers doing there? Is that right? The protestants say, `well look here, what’s in heaven?’ `Well, I don’t know but I’m going and see what…’ Do you understand? That ain’t no good, Yahweh will tell you all about what’s in heaven. Paul said, `I knew a man about 15 years ago exalted.. The devil just ain’t seen through these things. I ain’t got no business inviting you to go somewhere that I don’t know where I’m going. That don’t make no kinda horse sense. Ain’t that right? It’s silly, it’s ignorant. Then you stand around here and somebody shove you down in some water, and then you get up here and lie. You set up here and eat some crackers and drink some grape juice, testify that’s the body of Christ. You say, `Jesus said for us to do that.’ He didn’t say no such thing, you can’t read nothing like that out of the Bible.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: You say, `He said go and perform the great commission.’ He never sent nobody to baptize nobody in water. You can’t read it out of the Bible. Pope over there washing feet, showing how humble he is, sneaking, lying bastard. `What’d you say that for?’ I oughta put some more to it – old. `Now what’d you say that?’ Now somebody’d think, `well now, you hear that man stand up there cussing, now you know there ain’t nothing to him.’ Get back there in the Garden of Eden. John 8:44 says, `he’s a liar right straight from the beginning,‘ and if he won’t be chastised by the scriptures, won’t ___ ___ the law and testimony and won’t be chastised. 12th chapter of Hebrews says, `every son that He receives,’ and He said, `no man goeth to the Father but by me, he that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You see what I mean? That’s what He said. But now, listen, every son whom He receives knowing that he has been carnal minded and lost, He chastises, he’s carnal. You know what I’m talking about? Chastise. Chastise him how? By the scriptures. Now if you be without chastisement, you won’t be chastised by the scriptures and you going on with your hard head, then you are a bastard and not a son and that’s what these people are out there are doing, they won’t stand corrected by the scriptures, and therefore, I said that that old satanic spirit has been incarnated in them and therefore I said, they were old lying bastards, I wanna be understood. I believe He said in John 8:44, `he was a liar right from the beginning.’ The Mystery of Iniquity works right with it. You all sick and tired of this, I’m …
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Now anyway this works, right here, up and down here, it, this is nothing but the same thing, nothing else but the same, the same thing all the way down through the ages, creating of everything, animate and inanimate, man, beasts, the water, atoms, molecules, yeah everything the same. David said in the 19th division of Psalms, said, `the heavens declare the glory of God, the firmament showeth forth His handiwork, day unto day showeth forth speech, night unto night,’ say, `there is no sound where their voice is not heard.’ These planets and all talk, and they’re singing the praise and the glory of God, `where their voice…’ Now.., so it’s simple, they turn right in here and any man that stood out and looked up at the sun, moon and stars and you show him where the thing is back up, see the son, the real son of God; you see the stars, the real angelic host and that’s what it in John that he understood all about cosmic stream of consciousness and also out there in the universe, you talk about the blue, purple and scarlet vail. some time go off somewhere into the country and look up in the mountain and look down and see how that blue and that scarlet is blended and that sun is going down. You understand what I’m talking about? You understand? Here’s Jesus Christ when He died, in Joseph’s.., and was buried in old Joseph’s new tomb, sun going on down. Well then, now I look back there and see whether Moses is lying or not. I see that, that when Jesus.., when Moses said that Adam was in the Garden of Eden, say look, they ate that fruit.., I got to cut it up short. Now listen at me and see what I’m talking about and understand it. So then that.., God waited till the cool until the cool of the day. Why didn’t He chase him on out then? Wait until the cool of the day, until the sun was coming on down, before He would drive him, and then He sent forth an angel with that flaming sword, then drive him on out of the Garden of Eden. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now that’s the 1st Adamic son or in the flesh. Now in that, it’s got to be fulfilled and it’s got be repeated. And you always talking about the prodigal son. Oh boy, I don’t, I don’t have to time to go into it. I’m just filled up as I could be. Then, if Christ is the 2nd Adam, then if the sun is going down, and He’s out in the Garden of Gethsemane, and he’s out in the Garden of Eden. Now when you know how to put the thing together, these lying dogs, then will you stop `em from deceiving you. Put him out on the carpet. Don’t be afraid. And there they were when Jesus was out there on the cross dying, the blood running down out of His veins, He’s going on into darkness. The Son of God hanging out on the cross and the sun of God in the sky going on down together, just like that Adam back there in the Garden of Eden, the sun is going on down and God is driving him on out into outer darkness, the Son Adam. Now if it’s that way, then it’s got to be fulfilled. Now here come Jesus and here come this angel out here with a flaming sword. `What are you doing out there with a flaming sword, what do you come out there like that?’ Don’t you see that’s coming, that cloud up there is a pillar of fire by night, don’t you see that angel, don’t you see that golden candle.., or the lampstick there, don’t you see it. Then here they’ve got to come with a sword, a flaming sword out there in the Garden of Gethsemane. And you say, God said to Adam back there in the Garden of Eden, after he committed sin, ___ ___ ___ ___ was committing sin back there, in the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread until you return unto the ground. You say, `that’s what God said unto him back there.’ Now here comes Jesus fulfilling. He’s on out in the Garden of Gethsemane and He begins to pray out there, great drops of sweat begin to drop off His face just like blood and there He was back there in the Garden of Gethsemane because the Garden of Eden back there and they’d eat, the sweat of his face shall he eat bread till he returned unto the ground. There they come out there with them swords and staves out there, Judas leading them with the torches and He said to `em, the prophets had said, `the shepherd would be smitten and the flock scattered.’ Peter calls out, `though everybody leaves, I’m not going.’ And Jesus said to him, `deny me 3 times before the cock crows,’ in other words, `what you gonna do, you’re gonna deny the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost,’ he’s got to `3 times in order to get the whole entire Godhead bodily which is incorporated in me and you’ll do that before the cock crows for morning.’ You understand what I’m talking about? I’m trying to show you how it really is. So now, and them prophesies got to be fulfilled, and that old Pete was out there in the court and here there comes along the angels or the, the Galileans and the first one that seen ole Pete running around there with Jesus, said, `hey, wasn’t you one of the boys that was..?‘ Said, `no, sorry, you got the wrong fella here.’ Ain’t that right? You see what I’m talking about? And another one, woman passing along, pretty soon, say, `wasn’t you one of them boys, you look like one of `em.’ `No, you’re wrong about that.’ So they together insist on Peter being one of them that was with Him. He’s arrested now. Said, `you one of `em there?’ He said, `no sir, I’m not one.’ Cockoo, cuckoo. There He was; kept on going before Pilate and Herod, and him sweat rolled off of him until he returned unto the ground, and there He is out yonder on Golgotha, sweat just rolling off of Him and as the scripture said, `on til He returned unto the ground.’ Now here, when they took Him down off of the cross and laid Him in Joseph’s new tomb, He done returned to the ground, now He’s gone back to the ground from whence the physical body come from. And there He was resting in Joseph’s new tomb over the sabbath day. By and by very early in the morning on the 1st day of the week, Mary, the 3 Marys, went down to the tomb. You understand what I’m talking about? And you have gone this 3 days journey, these 3 days in Joseph’s new tomb. The angel rolled the stone away. And here’s John, he’s out here on the Isle of Patmos, out there in the 20th chapter of Revelation, said, `I saw an angel come down from heaven having the keys of the bottomless pit out of the earth having a great chain in his hand, this chain fits one age and each one of the other, then he went on down and rolled that stone away and set upon it, Christ was sealed and planted, was planted in Joseph’s new tomb, rose from the dead and He spoke to Mary and said, `now look here,’ He appeared to her first, then you have to tell me all about why He appeared to Mary first. You don’t just read around, you talk around on the thing, you say, `why did Satan appear to Eve first out there.’ ___ ___ ___ for her. Why was the woman in adultery, Jesus told her, `go and don’t sin no more.‘ She was pointing to Mary and when He resurrected from the dead He appeared to her, `now I’ve had to die,’ just like Adam died back there for his wife. He’s got to appear to the woman first. `Now you go tell Pete and the rest of the brethren,‘ what He’s doing, is fulfilling jots and tittles. Alright. That’s what He’s doing. ___ ___ ___ ___ my life ___ ___ ___. Now you gonna have to come in here, now that’s a must. Somebody say, `well, I ain’t coming.’ Well that’s all right with me, don’t bother me, my job is preaching the gospel I ain’t supposed ___ nobody do nothing, I’m supposed to tell you. If you won’t adhere to it, that’s your responsibility. And I talked to you about the disciples here, they come and stole him away. Now the preachers say that he was bringing him before the ___. Is that right? Okay.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now where was he?
Student Body: ___
Dr. Kinley: On top of that, where was Peter? 12th chapter of Acts of Apostles, 12th chapter of Acts of Apostles. It ain’t doing nothing else but repeating itself, not a thing else. About that time, ain’t that right. `About what time?’ You’re reading in Acts of Apostles now, it says Herod stretched forth his hand to vex certain of the church and he put James to death and took Peter in ___ to bring him on back to Easter. And somebody else said, just reciting there and don’t know nothing. And now then it’s nothing but a repetition. And Peter’s out there in the, in the prison. `Come on down there,’ he’s down there in the prison. That’s alright ___, you’re alright, you’re in the right place. Anyway ___ ___ ___. Now they, 10 years, flood, 1 year, 10 days. Christ ascended, tarried on earth, ascended, 10 days after the ascension, 10 days, outpouring of the Holy Ghost. I’m looking at what I’m talking about chronologically and everything. You see what I’m saying, what I’m talking about? So now 10 years from there, 10 years from there, 10 is concrete. It’s got to be proven, Israel left out of Egypt. Now Christ.., said the soldiers, is that what you said, you said the soldiers was at the tomb, guarding the tomb. Is that what you said?
Dr. Kinley: You said that the jews said the disciples come and stole Him away. And that report was common and even in the days of the Apostle Paul. Is that right? You see that? Now then this is 10 years to the date, down there, 12th chapter of the Acts of Apostles. Now about that time, that’s the time of the Passover, killed James, put him to death, got to see some blood there, Christ was crucified out there on that cross, proceeded on and took Peter and put him in jail cause they took Christ down off the cross, put Him in Joseph’s new tomb. And vegetation He’s planted down there and on the 3rd day, He created the man, Adam had to come out of the heart of the earth. Do you understand? ___ ___ ___ got to ___ up to that grave. And I’m looking at ___ a ___ ___, ___ ___ ___. Okay. Now there’s Peter, that disannulled that lie, and so He’s buckled down between quaternions of soldiers right there. They didn’t have no idea, they didn’t have no idea that they was building that prison according to a specified pattern. They wasn’t intending to do it because they had any knowledge of the scriptures. And so now, you see what I, you understand what I mean? Now look. Look at where He is. There He was bound down between the quaternion soldiers in the old Philippian jail, they say he was over in Rome, ___, this is 40 ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ . Not that Peter had any intentions of doing it but it is Yahweh. There he is bound down between the quaternion soldiers, bound down here. You said the angel come down to deliver him, he then watched him roll the stone away, so the same angel right down there in the old Philippian jail.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Smote Peter on the side, said, he said, `rise up, and gird on your sandals, ___ ___ ___, follow me.’ Ain’t that right? Ain’t that what that angel said? Christ risen from the dead and that angel, they fell there, he’s down in prison just like Christ was in prison in the tomb. 10 years. 10 is concrete. 10 years from there, it took place again. Herod intended to bring him forth after Easter there, after that Sabbath day in that cycle of years. That’s what he was aiming to do cause he seen it pleased the people, just like these hypocrite preachers trying ___ to please the people, always telling them something cause it pleases somebody, man made, man made. That’s why they don’t make you understand nothing. Now, that angel come down there and smote him on the side, he buckled on his sandals, and then that angel told him, `follow me,’ just like he did at the tomb, and and then went on to the gate, and it opened of its own accord, just like the stone rolled away from the door down there. That angel told him, `come on, follow me,’ and that ward opened up. When Peter had got to the outside wall, outside the prison, you see them doors and vails in there in that sanctuary. You said when Christ risen from the dead, He appeared to that woman and she sent him up there to tell Pete and them that He’d risen from the dead. Peter released out of the prison, he come to the outer ward, before he come to himself. And when he did come to himself why he went right on up to John Mark’s, his house he went to Mary the mother up there and there was a damsel at the door, just like that Mary was at the tomb there, the damsel was at the door. And they was holding a prayer meeting in her house. Where was the damsel at? Where was the woman at the tomb? Why old Eve back there in the Garden? Because I’m looking at the thing all of the time. Up there at that door. And when she opened the door, she was amazed, dumbfounded, same as she was, just like Mary was at the tomb, just like Mary, ah back there in the Garden of Eden. Yes sir children, you see now? Now let me say this too, now let me say this to you. Now this is what happenes. The average person that comes here, now everybody’s welcome, everybody’s welcome, and it’s, it’s no disgrace, it’s no dishonor for you or anybody to be wrong about it. And nobody hasn’t got anything to blow and boast about. Now you oughta be happy and glad to find out that you’re wrong.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Shouting happy too, instead of being humiliated and embarrassed cause somebody showed you up, cause `somebody made a fool out of me and I’m not going back down yonder no more to be showed up.’ That’s why the preachers can’t stay around here, cause every time you breathe and every thought that transpires through your mind, we got you covered, every thought you can think; that’s the reason why, let me say this, that’s the reason why when we were in Hollywood, and you just seen Pope Paul over here. We’re in Hollywood over there on the corner of Cahuenga and Cole. I told you, stood right up in front of the class just like I’m standing here now, stood right in front of the class and told you what Pope John would say. I don’t know how long it was, you know Freddie?
Fred Allen Jr.: No, it was about 6 months before it happened.
Dr. Kinley: About 6, somewhere, told you what he would say on a certain date. Now buster if that ain’t looking back before a thing gets in a man’s mind and telling you. Told you he would say it on that date. And when that date come, next morning I went down and got the “Los Angeles Times,” living at 1230 South Windsor, bought “The Times” paper up there. Said, `cut it out of the paper, took it to school.’ Cut it out of the papers, took it to school and you read it
Fred Allen Jr.: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: in the school. How many of you remember that? Hold your hands up. I stood right in, in, in school in Cincinnati, just like you see me here now,
Man: Yeah, that’s right.
Fred Allen Jr.: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: stood right up there, didn’t go out to get a drink or nothing, stood right there and told you the instant that Cardinal Strich died.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Some of `em got up and went out and turned their radios on in their automobiles and it was on the news the last breathe just left his body. Any of you here present?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Stand up or hold your hand up or something. Pope Pius the 12th, told a lie and said he saw Christ in a vision before he died. Didn’t want it said about much because he was the vicar of Christ and Christ had to communicate for him. It amounts to something all right. `See how holy I am and how righteous I am, that ___ ___ ___ ___.’ And I told you before he told that lie that that’s what he was gonna say. Now how can you say, how can he say ___ ___ that I know what I’m talking about. When I stand before you year after year and tell you things before they happen and tell you if it don’t happen like I tell you, then don’t come back here. I told you that President Roosevelt, he was one of the last presidents in office. I told you that he would be elected and would not be in the White House one year from that day. He wasn’t. He wasn’t. I told you in Santa Monica that John F. Kennedy would be nominated, elected and assassinated. Now I’m just asking you, you can just believe in anything you want to believe, now just was he?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: And I told you before it happened.
Man: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: I can tell you anything I want to tell you about anything, anywhere around in the world anytime I get ready. I don’t ask you to believe; you just wait and see. Now can you predict long far enough to know a man, what he’s gonna think at a certain time, yeah what he’s ___, what he’s gonna say, and what he’s gonna ___ ___ ___ ___. Now you have to do better than that. You have to ___ ___. Now I’ve been doing this thing for 34 years and they haven’t never boxed me in. Truman called through the Pentagon in the war, 2nd World War is over. He told everybody in Wrights to sit down, quit work, sit down and there would be an announcement coming from the Pentagon on the public address system. And that man, get up doctor, that man right there – his father, walked in my office ___ `is today the day?’ `No, sir, there will be no announcement, not from the Pentagon today, you might as well go on back to work.’ That’s the White House through the Pentagon, wasn’t me, the Internal, in the 2nd World War ___. Now I had told them in 1935 about the Japanese was gonna bomb Pearl Harbor, about the 2nd World War, and wrote to Roosevelt and told him about it. Said, `now look Roosevelt,’ said, `now if there’s any scientific research bureau under the jurisdiction of the federal government, would you turn my letter over to them with your recommendation that they make an investigation of our work because we’re able to tell what’s going on all over the world.’ Franklin Delano Roosevelt from Washington DC, he turned it over to the Smithsonian Institute and Smithsonian Institute wrote me a letter and said, `we’re just sorry, we’ve received the letter from, by the way of the White House,’ and said, `now we don’t have no funds laid aside to make no such investigation,’ they thought I was another crackpot and another idiot and they didn’t have no time to fool with it and so they didn’t pay no attention to it, but I’m asking you, did they bomb Pearl Harbor?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Did they? Then how can you say that I don’t know. In conclusion, now all I’m doing is just telling you as this thing come down through here, and repeats itself through the ages. I’m looking at the thing revealed, what’s gonna happen. Then I’m looking right straight at it and when you get right back into the real essence of me, I, I am that I am incarnated in this body, I don’t know nothing as a man but it’s that, it’s my Father in me, and I am sent to you in these last days. And I’ve had my pants kicked real good for disputing and arguing with these folks. If it wasn’t them robbing me, I’d, they done killed me a long time ago. The Muslims tried it a long time ago and all, whipped me, beat me up on the street in Cincinnati, Ohio, tried to make me take this back, tell me how Allah was God. Yes, I know, I understand you teach the Arab Nations and all. I understand the thing, I know about ___ 627, he’s a, a Arab. And this man setting up here in, in this pulpit, setting up here in Allah, Elijah Mohammed, the Honorable Elijah Mohammed. Now you know just as well as I do God never sent nobody out to do no fighting with no sword and things or nothing like that. And you that Swiss Guard they got down there, the keys to the Vatican, there ain’t nothing to it. And the weapons of our warfare, they’re not carnal. But I can take that thing here, come right down through here and beat at you clear to death into humble submission. ___ Freddie. Fear not the man that can kill soul, but rather fear God who can destroy both soul and body. I’m looking right at what I’m talking about and listen I don’t have no respect whatsoever, none, I don’t have none for myself as a man, and you know good and well I ain’t caring nothing about you, not as no man, `all flesh is as grass to me.’ And your reputation don’t amount to nothing, Paul’s didn’t and I don’t see nothing no good in everyb…, all them good things I’ve done as a man. Somebody says, `well I’ll tell you what, said I’ve been a lady all my life.’ Well that ain’t no more than you oughta do. What are you crowing about? Moral code, you ain’t done nothing. I ain’t trying to make no reputation for myself. I’m just preaching the gospel. Now children we’ve been overtime, I told you this was a special meeting, and I didn’t wanna keep you overtime, but I do know this, I’ve been in this thing long enough to know, I cannot tell and neither can you learn in no 2 hours. And this thing is gonna have to come to you as is realistic, faith comes by hearing and if it don’t come like that, you’re not gonna believe, you can’t; that’s an impossibility, ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___, otherwise you are skeptic. And you know yourself every time somebody asks you over here, the first thing you do, is start and scratching your head and say, `well I don’t know, I’ll have to look it up or something.’ You’re admitting you don’t know. You see what I mean. Well now, what I’m trying to tell you is to make you see God and we have a very short time. Now, let me say this, now listen, here’s, here’s the creation from the flood, there’s the creation back to garden. Now here to the flood. Now this 1656 from the flood, the crucifixion of Christ. And now we’re down in this present age, this is where we are now. And Christ said this age here. This antediluvian, postdiluvian, present. The flood ended this world or age. This ended, Christ’s crucifixion ended that and now we’re over here. And now the next one, what’s gonna happen here, He didn’t say then, this, this is immortality. Now a age is approximately 2000 years, but this is only 1656, this 2381 and now this is 1932. Say listen, if you’re gonna get saved, if you ain’t, if you’re gonna get saved, you better come on down here. He that believeth in me, though he were dead yet shall he live. Now what He’s talking about, you have an inner man and Christ has died, now then we’re all beyond death. It’s once appointed unto man to die but after this the judgement. Now Christ has raised, He’s risen from the dead, death has been abolished and life and mortality brought to light, this is after death. So now if you are living with Him, Christ in you, He’s alive, then that’s nev.., that’s never gonna die but this flesh here, it’s got to be taken off. Don’t make no difference if they bury you in a hole or, or cremate your body or whatnot, you see it’s got to be a change. The whole entire creation has got to undergo a change because it’s got to go back to the place from whence it come. Rise and let us go.
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 James Gill, was one of the men that Dr. Kinley got out of the armed services.