7) JULY 15, 1967, 2-4:30 PM:
1967 FIRST NATIONAL CONVENTION: FIRST SPIRITUAL SESSION:
I HEARD A VOICE FROM HEAVEN AND THE SIGN WILL FOLLOW
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Salvation Army Hall, 117 West High Street, Springfield, Ohio
recorded by Burbank Davies Mitchell on reel to reel recorder
transferred to audio cassette by Geraldine Rothstein
2 90 minute audio cassettes
CATALOG #: 67.0715
transcribed by Dr. Sandra Giragosian
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
Proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
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TAPE 1 SIDE 1
Dr. Geraldine Rothstein: This is July, the 15th, 1967, at the annual convention of the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, the Salvation Army Hall, 117 West High Street, Springfield, Ohio. This is on Saturday. It’s the first spiritual session, from 2:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. The first speaker was Dr. Oliver Gill from Ohio. The second speaker is Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Moderator: It is my pleasure at this time to introduce the second speaker, who will be our Founder and Dean, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much. I’m indeed happy and glad to be with you at this time. And for this special occasion, I hope and trust that you will pay strict attention to everything that is said in this meeting, and weigh it carefully. It is for your benefit and your learning.
Now, we didn’t come here to make apologies, to try to get along with any ecclesiastical or any political groups, or to stay in harmony with anybody. And I want you to recognize and to realize that.
Sitting over there, I perceived that the acoustics in this building have a resound or an echo, to such an extent it’s hard to understand the voice of the speaker. And too while I was sitting there, I noticed that the people moving about from one place to the other, tapped their feet against the floor, and that vibration, and what not, is distracting and disturbing. Now, I never like to complain about things of that nature and so on, and about the babies crying and what not, and about you talking to someone next to you, and so forth and so on. But now, if you understood, like I am going to try and attempt to tell you this afternoon, you will realize the value of the expression by the Prophet Isaiah. This is what he said: Be still, and know that I am God. God is in His holy sanctuary, let the earth keep silence before Him.1
History shows, with all the multiplicity of sects, cults, the religious organizations on the face of the earth, and you do know that they are here. You have no way to deny. In the 24th chapter of Matthew, Messiah said many false prophets, not a few, so don’t you read a few into the text. It says many false prophets shall go out in the world. And He said many, not a few, many would be deceived by them. Now, you know somebody must be wrong, that the many are here now in the world. And as the Apostle John said, and I want you to read that, and wake up on this many.
Now, listen, let me make it clear, distinct. Now, I’m striving with all that in me is to speak in such a way, waste no words, but direct and positive about the things I’m saying to you.
Now, if you notice, we said in the 24th chapter of Matthew, Messiah said before He died, many false prophets shall go out into the world, and many would be deceived by them. Now, here’s John after this, in AD 90, he is telling you there that they have now already gone out into the world. And I call heaven and earth direct, upon my soul, that I speak the truth. And I am not lying. And I want you to know as a fact, and an assurance. I want you to become conscious of it.
Yahweh has sent me to preach the gospel to you in this last day. Now, I don’t mean to be puffing myself up, or anything like that. But I have been working with this for 35 years, and I have met the most brilliant, academically trained, theological and scientific-minded people that there is in this world. And they have not been able to refute nothing I said. Now, listen, I mean that goes for Popes, Cardinals, politicians, presidents, all of them. We’ve had a lot of them said, ‘I don’t believe it.’ I expect to have opponents and adversaries, and I am trying my best to tell you that they have already gone out in the world. I want the statement verified and confirmed by an apostle speaking by the Holy Spirit.
1 Psalm 46:10; Habakkuk 2:20
And I would like to say this. Now, it’s not characteristic of me to take a text in the Bible. That’s not my nature to call myself taking a text. The whole universe, and Yahweh Himself, and as Paul said, I am determined not to know anything among you, except Messiah or Yahshua the Messiah, Him crucified, yea rather risen from the dead.2 So, you can see by that, that I’m pretty stupid, because I don’t know anything else but that. And I don’t have to spend no weeks, writing up nothing on no script nor nothing like that. I don’t have to worry with that, because I don’t intend for it to be me stating anything. And now Messiah said this. Now, you go and He would speak through you. Listen. And He said, these signs shall follow them that believe. If you know anything about hieroglyphics, which is a sign language… Hebrew is a sign language. Now, when Yahweh spoke in the creation of this world, and said let there be light, the sign followed. In other words, there was light there..
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: So now, I said that to say this. Since I have come in the world and I have spoke for 35 years, and every time I tell you something, that God Himself told me to tell you; yes, we have plenty people that don’t believe it, more of them than there is of those that do believe it, but the sign followed.
Student Body: Right. All right.
Dr. Kinley: Everybody can’t get it right, but the sign follows. Now, what am I talking about? Pope John the 23rd thought that he was the last Pope. He ascended the throne, papal throne. He called together an ecumenical council, convened in 1962. I wrote a book, and copyrighted it in 1961. Watch the sign. I can’t rub it out. It’s printed there, page 133. He said that he wanted to live to see another Pentecostal season. Now he said he wanted to live. He wasn’t feeling so good. His ulcers had flared up on him. And he called and asked five hundred and fifty million Roman Catholics to pray that he might live to see another Passover season.
Five hundred and fifty million, those that had been taken out of purgatory. Pope says this: bind on earth, in heaven. Put them in. Even put Mary, Pope Pius, 1950, said that he put Mary, the Mother of God, in heaven, whole soul and body, in 1950. I’m talking about the power and the authority that they claim to have. Men and women are running their hands in their pockets and paying them money, all every which a way to pray their people out of Purgatory, paying for it. Listen closely, 550,000,000 people associated with that movement were asked to pray that he might live to see June the 6th that year. Understand clearly now? And I wrote down in the book in 1961,3 that he would not see June the 6th, 1963. The sign followed. The man died, died June, the 3rd. Now, do you want to say you don’t believe it? Search the record. You get it? I told you the history of the world. Thirty-five years, and haven’t made no mistake with it.
2 I Corinthians 2:2
3 GOD – THE ARCHETYPE (ORIGINAL) PATTERN OF THE UNIVERSE
I said presidents. President Roosevelt would be nominated and elected as President of the United States of America, and he wouldn’t be in the White House one year from that day. Go back and look at the record and see if the sign didn’t follow. Man was dead.
Cardinal Stritch in Chicago, that knows so much about everything… I was standing in the pulpit, as I am now, and I said, ‘Cardinal Stritch just died in Chicago. The last breath just left his body.’
Student Body: That’s right. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: And there is people setting right in this audience… Please get up. Somebody went out to the car. Thank you, sit down. And it was on the air, just died. I didn’t have no chance to go out and see nothing about it.
John F. Kennedy… I said he would be nominated, elected, and assassinated. And I think I could prove that the sign followed. These signs shall follow them that believe. I say it is foolish for any man to try to argue against God.
I said there would be an earthquake in Alaska, and told you the date, the 27th of March. And I think I can prove it by you, stiff-necked atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, backbiters, liars, and everybody else, that there was an earthquake in Alaska, and you can’t deny it. Now, what I’m trying to do is this. I’m trying to tell you that I am not just another extemporaneous orator, trying to be a big shot, or something like that, and demand respect of the public. Now, it don’t make me no difference. It makes you the difference, whether you believe it or not. Paul said, I am not ashamed of the gospel.4 Well, why aren’t you ashamed of it? Because it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first and then unto the Gentile. And when Yahweh speaks through this body, the power of God… I don’t do no trembling about it. And I don’t trust it to chance. It happens.
Now, if I tell you what’s going on all over the world, now, you can stand around and say, ‘I don’t believe it,’ if you want to, but it’s happening just the same. Now, there’s always somebody running up in my face, and saying, ‘Look, I’m of this, I’m of that, I’m of the other.’ Talking about the various different churches that they belong to. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
4 Romans 1:16
Dr. Kinley: I would have you to know that we wrote the book. I don’t know, I think its here somewhere. If it ain’t, we’ve got it in Springfield. And I sent it to the Vatican. I sent it to all of your religious leaders in the world, both Protestants and Catholics. Here is the book. And I disputed everything they taught. It was at the International Council of Churches. You heard me. I said International Council of Churches, in New Delhi, India. And my aim was to get that book out in one year before the Council convened, so they would have time to kick it around under the foot, between times, glance in, all them different kind of things. I knew they wasn’t gonna read it like they should. So, I give them a year to kick it around under the foot, or sell it to the second-hand store, and somebody else to pick it up, or something. I knew… I know what’s going on.
And I said in there that the world of Christiandoom was wrong. They read the book at the Council, and that was the thing that governed the International Council of Churches in New Delhi, India. And your publisher was setting right there beside of the man that was conducting the services at the International Council of Churches. Your pastors and ____ and president and so forth and so on, that belong to that united ____ and they admitted that they was wrong, and put it in the paper that they was wrong, and they had to go back and study. They had misled the people. Am I lying, Dr. Harris? We’ve got the script, and it came out of the paper, too.
belong to that united and they admitted that they was wrong, and put it in the paper that they was wrong, and they had to go back and study. They had misled the people. Am I lying, Dr. Harris? We’ve got the script, and it came out of the paper, too.
So now, you quit trying to defend something that you don’t know anything about. Get settled down. Listen. Listen attentively. You ought to be able to catch me in a lie within 35 years. And if you can’t catch me in a lie in 35 years, you’re never gonna be saved nohow. You just don’t have the wisdom to discern the difference between truth and error.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: And it’s impossible for me to stand around and lie for 35 years. And then, people who are not mentally deranged safe to walk around on the street, and they can’t catch me within 35 years. And I told you what’s going on all over the world for 35 years.
Now, I want you to know this. I’m not bragging and boasting on myself. I admit my insufficiency. But, as the Apostle Paul said, our sufficiency is of God.5 Yes, a long time ago I quit preaching. I preached 15 years in the Church of God, and quit. I haven’t preached any more since.
Student Body: (LAUGHTER ACCOMPANIES STATEMENTS) All right. That’s right.
5 II Corinthians 3:5
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. Quit preaching. When I had that vision and a revelation come direct from Him, I quit preaching right there. And He went to speaking through me. That’s the reason why there’s no failure in it. There isn’t any failure in it. I don’t have a thing to boast about or to be all stuck up about. I want you to realize that. I want you to be conscious of it.
Now, people have tried to say this. Oh, no, I haven’t forgot. People say this, ‘Well, you all are following that man, and he is just another educated fool.’ Now, Dr. Gill told you about the education. They say… This is about my reputation. They say, ‘He’s slick, and he’s just educated. Yeah, he’s good when it comes to extemporaneous oratory. He’s good. But you know, I want to tell you something.’ Say, ‘That man don’t know what he’s talking about.’
Now, that makes me have to tell you about my education. Now, they misconstrued and misjudged me there. And I do have witnesses sitting right at my feet that know the truth about it. I went to the 6th grade of elementary school in Springfield, Ohio, and failed.
Student Body: (LAUGHS) All right.
Dr. Kinley: Went out of there and went to work in the shop. I do not possess what you would describe as a formal education, graduated at some seminary or college, or university. But I’m happy to report, that I have taught those who held some of the highest credentials there is on earth, and they have went to school under me. And my education did not come by the way of the college on earth But I wanna let you know, I got a good one. Don’t you misjudge that. Don’t you misconstrue it. I know everything. I’ve been everywhere. I’ve seen everybody That’ll almost bring me up to my text. Fourteenth chapter of Revelations verse 2.
Dr. Mary Gross: And I heard a voice from heaven,
Dr. Kinley: And I, I heard a voice from heaven,
Dr. Mary Gross: as the voice of many waters,
Dr. Kinley: as the voice of many waters,
Dr. Mary Gross: and as the voice of a great thunder. That will do. I heard a voice from heaven.
Student Body: Yes. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: I said, I heard a voice from heaven, not from the Vatican, not from the general council of man. It come from heaven.
These are the words spoken of by the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos. And I want to tell you something else about that, too. Do you remember that when Peter and this same John was walking there in Jerusalem, and just about to enter the Temple, there was a man sitting at the Gate Beautiful. Is that right?
Student Body: Right. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Looking for alms. And Peter and them said, ‘Look on up. Look on us. Silver and gold, we don’t have none, but such as they have, give I unto thee in the name, no, not Jesus Christ, but Yahshua the Messiah. Rise up and walk.’6 Thirty-five years, and immediately took him by the hand, and his ankle bones received strength. And he went on in the Temple. I want you to know what’s in the Temple now. The Sanhedrin Council, the seventy of the smartest, the smartest they had in there. Nothing else they could do, but confess that it was a miracle, although they claimed not to believe in the resurrection, and give power of vengeance to go out there and put them to death that did believe. Now here’s Peter and John, and they brought them up before the Council, just like they’ve had me on the carpet.
The Sanhedrin Council, the scribes, the smart boys, and they said, got off in the corner, and said, ‘that was a notable miracle, and we can’t deny it.’ My Bible says, ‘we can’t deny it. Now, what do we do?’ Said, ‘put them in jail.’ And they put them in jail, until they had time to give them a trial, to bring them up before the Council. And they got their heads together. And when they brought ‘em out of there. Now listen, here’s what I wanna tell you. I wanna tell you about that academic training now, and about the wisdom of the wise, the 70 elders that was so smart and so wise.
And when they brought Peter and John up for trial, they perceived that they were ignorant and unlearned men.7 What am I talking about? ‘Now, what are we gonna do about these ignorant and unlearned men? And neither one of ‘em has the sense to sit at the foot of Gamaliel and none of the rest of the assembly.’ And this same man, John, was Peter’s companion, that wrote the book of Revelations. Do you understand? And they were standing before the Council. Brought there… There was that man standing there whole that could speak for himself ____ ____ for a long time. And there he was walking around there, and they said, ‘we can’t deny a stupendous miracle, and ignorant and unlearned men have come, and we can’t deny.’ He’s the one that saw, about 63 years, or 66 years after, here’s the same man out here on the Isle of Patmos. And he said, ‘I heard a voice.’ Not from the Sanhedrin Council, not from the Vatican, it wasn’t from that. He’s the one that saw that happened, it was by the Power of Yahweh that that man was walking.
And nobody, I don’t care how much education you have, or how much learning you have, I want to know what the Lord has to say about it. Wonderful miracles you can’t deny. Heard that voice from heaven. Now listen, John was told. Now you listen at me. He was told, on the Isle of Patmos. That’s what he was out there was for the witness and testimony. Yahweh has sent and signified, and confirmed by His angel. Listen, and He told John. Now, what you see and hear, write it the book. Somebody said, they won’t believe it, neither will they understand it. But write it in the book. Write it. Standing around every which a way, ‘I don’t believe Revelation cause I don’t understand it.’ He’s right.
But I just wanna inform you, you don’t understand Revelations. That’s the end, then you don’t know nothing about the beginning. Why? Because the end is declared from the beginning. If you don’t understand Revelation, you don’t know nothing about no parts ____ ____. Many things happen, but what is just constant over, and over, and over, and over, repeating over and over.
Now, I want you to see what I am talking about, when I say I heard a voice from heaven. He’s not the only one that heard that voice. I wanna let you know that I heard that voice from heaven, and I have been preaching to you whatever was in that book for 35 years, and there hasn’t been anybody from anywhere that’s been able to refute and dispute. And if you think there is anybody that can dispute it, bring ‘em on down to the convention.
And I want you to know something else, too. Right here in Springfield, Ohio, we’ve had them from your various churches, right in this town, Springfield, ____ West State Street, five of ‘em from the various different ecclesiastical organizations that said I was wrong. Well look, if I’m wrong, I want everybody in town, everybody in the world to know it. ‘No, come on back in the corner over here.’ He said, ____. The thing wasn’t done in the corner.
They wanted to talk to me alone and aside in the park. I may look stupid, but I’m smarter than that. I am smarter than that. And listen, you don’t need no divine revelation to be smarter than that. Any stupe, anywhere, ought to know five men already opposed to you. Already stating that you was wrong. And they come down, ‘Because we love you, and we want to correct you. And we want to chastise you. You’re a good man. And we don’t wanna see you lost, because you’re preaching and teaching is wrong.’ And listen, anybody that stupid to make a statement like that, and they had never been there, always going on with what somebody else said about it, and they never been there themselves. Now they come down. I said, ‘No, I want everybody in town to know.’ Said, ‘I want it put in the paper and if possible a headline.’
Dr. Geraldine Rothstein: The original reel came to its end, to be continued on other side.
Dr. Kinley: I won’t tell you the names, but there’s people setting right under the sound of my voice that heard it. No, they didn’t want it in the paper. They said, ‘Well, who’s gonna help you?’ Help me do what?
Student Body: (LAUGHTER)
Dr. Kinley: ‘Help you debate. There’s five of us, and there’s only one of you. You could get one of your students or one of your people to help you.’ When I read my book. Isaiah 63 says: Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah, traveling in the greatness of His strength? Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like unto one that treadeth the winefat alone, in the fierceness of His anger? The answer come back: I heard that voice from heaven. It’s I that speaketh in righteousness, mighty in deed, and with My own arm brought salvation down. And there was none with Me to help. If you can lick me, you got the rest of ‘em licked.
Student Body: All right. (LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: Get the point? ____ ____ ____. You got to take on all of them. I challenge the world.. That’s what this meeting is all about. We claim to have the truth, and the sign follows, because I heard that voice from heaven, not from the Vatican, not from the Ecumenical Council, from no man on earth; it come direct from heaven. And for 35 years I have proved it. And you know just as well as I do, it wouldn’t even make sense for me to stand around and say that I could go to a college, or a seminary somewhere and receive such an education as that. Listen. We have people that have been raised from the dead sitting right here ____ ____ ____. We’ve got ‘em setting right here in this audience, that have been healed with cancer, healed of all kinds of diseases. Sitting here looking me in the face, from your city of Springfield hospital, from Cincinnati. We’ve got ‘em setting here looking me in the face. And the records show, and not only that, somebody always wants to say, ‘Well, there wasn’t nothing the matter with you in the first place, You have maybe the ____ or something or other like that. You oughta have went to the drug store and got something.’ No, it’s not like that. Wasn’t no quack doctors either. Say these things, Well now, look, each time the ____ that believe and that you might know that it is not me, and I cannot do nothing of myself. Then, you will have to admit, if there’s something done about it, it must be Yahweh, it must be that voice from heaven, the sign will follow: curing cancer, telling you what’s going on all over the world about the kings, the queens, the diplomats, and the politicians, and everybody else. Got to do it. A voice from heaven.
And I did a doctorate discourse, and it completely transformed and revolutionized my concept. Would you mind standing up? This man… Turn around here so they can see you and know you the next time when they see you, You done a fine job in front of these folks. They be around telling the folks that he ain’t no good, black doctor, there ain’t much to him. And I have had some of them to say, say to me, too. Listen, I don’t want no Negro doctor. People are so stupid until it is not funny. Now, this is one of the doctors, medical doctors, and the patient was his own uncle. And listen, he’s got some sons sitting in this audience. And we have his wife setting in this audience. I mean now. And this man said, this doctor said, that he had to die.
Dr. Harris: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: And did you tell them to send for Farley’s relatives?
Dr. Harris: Yes, I did.
Dr. Kinley: You said that.
Dr. Harris: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: You admit it.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: All right. You see what I mean. Do, do you catch the point? Well, I said, ‘No, he will not die.’ Now, he can tell you more about it, what all was the matter with the man. It was immaterial to me. It wouldn’t have made any difference if it had just been a bad cold. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And then, when I said he wouldn’t, wouldn’t die, now, he wants to know. He’s been to Maharie College. He has his degrees. He is a licensed doctor to practice medicine, just like any other doctor in this town or in this state. And he also has license to practice medicine in the State of California. Just like any other doctor out there.
Student Body: That’s a fact. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: He had to pass it by the medical board. Now, that man said this other man had to die. And he admitted it, didn’t he?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, did he die?
Dr. Harris: No.
Dr. Kinley: Then, he wants to know who I am, who do I think I am. Now his folks are sitting here. Get the point? He didn’t die. Just two words spoken: ‘Farley, live.’ That was not me. It was the voice from heaven commanded that man to live. And I am telling you just what He, like when He passed by Israel and saw her polluted in her own blood. He said, ‘Live.’ And you say he lived.
Dr. Harris: That is right.
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. He lived about nine years after. And when he did die, he didn’t die of no cancer. ‘Well,’ somebody says, ‘he’s a quack. He don’t know.’ But look, them people down there at the hospital, they told him, and sent the man out of the hospital to die. So they confirmed his word.
Now, let me tell you this. I want you to get the heart and the pulse of this meeting. I want you to understand what it’s all about.
TAPE 1 SIDE 2
Now, you know better. When he did come here, nine or ten years after, to that man’s funeral, he told them… Everybody wants to rush to see Dr. Harris. He’s one of the greatest doctors they ever ever heard tell of. If you can bring a man from that low state, he is a real good doctor. Ain’t that right? Now, that was a break for him to capitalize on. And they begin to crowd in on him.
Dr. Harris: That’s right. They did.
Dr. Kinley: Is that right?
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: That man passed nine or ten years after, I don’t… Huh?
Dr. Harris: About nine years.
Dr. Kinley: About nine years. Instead of dying of cancer of the hernia, and if he just took some care of that, that wasn’t necessary.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, now this same man, when he tried to tell the people, that it wasn’t him that did it, cause the man never even took the medicine he left him. Am I telling that thing straight Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: All right. Now then, when he sees and understands something about what it is. You see where he’s at, don’t you? He’s at the convention. Found out what it’s all about. Then he come back and he’s talking around about that man, Dr. Kinley. Said, ‘Hold it. You did give him some medicine.’ ‘I didn’t. You done more for him than I did.’ ‘I haven’t done nothing for him. I’m not going to take the credit for what happened. Say, look what I done. Cause I didn’t do anything for him. I can’t even help my ownself. So how am I gonna do something for you?’ I want you to realize the reality of what I’m talking about. Now, it he wouldn’t take no credit for it. I wouldn’t take no credit for it. So then, you know it just have to be the boss.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, do you see what I’m talking about?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, listen folks. I can’t take credit. Thank you, Dr. Harris. Now, we have medical proof every which a way. We’ve had them in all kinds of conditions. Set still. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We’ll get to you when your turn comes. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS LOUDER) How am I doing? Am I doing all right?
Dr. Mitchell: He’s talking to Dr. Williams.
Dr. Kinley: Well, all right. I’m gonna tell you just a little bit about it. I’m just only trying to wake you up in this meeting, so you’ll come on back, so that you’ll find out that there is something here.
Student Body: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, that’s what I’m doing. Now, I’ve said, I said it a while ago, and if you didn’t hear me, I’m repeating it. I’ve said the religious organizations of Christendoom is wrong. Now, they’re just… ‘Oh, the Church of Christ can’t be wrong.’ And I’ve had them in Jehovah’s Witness say, ‘Oh no, you haven’t got anybody from our organization in your group. We know we’re right.’ And you know how it is when they come to your house, they want you to sit down, shut up, and listen. Ain’t that right. Said, ‘You don’t have nobody from our group, cause we know we got the truth.’ Well, we do have ‘em. If there’s anybody in this building that belonged to Jehovah’s Witnesses, and made a thorough study of Jehovah’s Witnesses’s doctrine, please stand up. Yes sir. You wrote translations and everything else. And right in this town, Springfield, Ohio, we beat Jehovah’s Witnesses into humble submission, and made ‘em stand right up and tell their audience that they was wrong. We did that. Now, if I had not have heard a voice from heaven I couldn’t have done that. These boys are sharp. They have the, they wrote this: New World Trans… See how big it is? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We brought it along, so you would be sure to realize that we know what they got there. And this fellow here, this is… Now, it’s your turn. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Mitchell: It’s Dr. Williams.
Dr. Kinley: Now, this is one of the big shots. Educator in the Church of Christ. Now, they know they’re right. Get it now? You see where he’s at. He belongs to this school. He’s an authority in it. And we had a debate, and our agreement was the winner take all.
Dr. Lasalle Williams: That’s right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: And we agreed to fight it on down to the hilt. Is that almost right?
Dr. Williams: Correct. That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: And we wrestled together. He kept his word. That’s why he’s here. And he just happened to be out one time, cause we was fighting right straight along. He happened to be out one time, and they thought that they didn’t have nobody right at hand as smart as he was, so they had one a little further down the line than him, to come out and accuse me. And that man… Now, you talk about preaching the gospel, trying to save somebody, I would say that the man actually did not have even good manners. And he got up there and spoke, telling me to shut up. And I haven’t said nothing.
Student Body: That’s right. That’s the truth.
Dr. Kinley: And ranted, raved, and carried on, and quoted, and when he got through speaking, he walked out of the meeting ____ ____ betting there. And the next time I seen that man, I’ll show you just how stupid people are, the next time I seen that man, he was paralyzed. And here they come, rolling him in. And then, the men right under him, had the gall and the nerve to get up and say… ‘Now, here’s your break. You’re such a wonderful, divine healer. Here’s your opportunity. Do your stuff.’ Now, would you be that stupid, to withstand God to His face and then demand that he heal. Would you be that stupid? You all were sitting there. Am I lying?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Said, ‘now, if you were so great, here’s your chance to add another paralytic setting there.’ And I saw that man in that wheelchair, that belonged to the Church of Christ, that didn’t even have manners enough to know how to treat a guest. And about of 30 of you were setting there and saw it. Moore, I’m talking about. Wanna write a letter and ask about it, he knows about it. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, here’s to prove the point. They said that they knew one out there in the audience with me in our group, that knew better than that junk and stuff I was teaching. And here, this man, the only one man out of that whole group, Church of Christ, God put him right on his back. He didn’t even know where he was. Unconscious. In the hospital, and I had to go and see about him, and send somebody to hunt him up. Every morning standing there and defied the truth. And God put him down. ‘He was so great. Do your number.’ And God just put him flat on his back. Doctors expected him to die. Is that right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: In the hospital, and come with the group, and admitted it, too. ____ more than the man that was in the wheelchair. And here he lived to testify for himself, and testify that this is the truth. And not only that, it is the power of God. And listen, I’ll have you know, you have never had no kind of disease that God can’t heal. And let me say this, what business do you have having confidence in God to heal your physical body, when you, when he reached down back there and took them out of the grave that had been dead 4,000 years, and then can’t heal your body? It don’t make sense. You’re walking around here as living evidence. Oh, there are just a lot of ‘em setting around here. That’s why they’re here. Have I been, have I been lying?
Dr. Williams: You’ve told the truth, every word of it. Even more.
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. He’ll preach right. And let me tell you this. When that thing happened… You’ve got a Church of Christ here. They said, ‘Well, he’s a jackleg.’ Uh, uh. This is, this is in the book. He’s one of the educated staff in the Church of Christ. Did we prove to you that water baptism is wrong?
Dr. LaSalle Williams: Absolutely.
Dr. Kinley: Thank you. You may sit down.
You will hear the testimonies of many things which I don’t have time to tell you about, that prove that I heard a voice from heaven. And I’m not around here trying to exalt myself. I’ve told you I don’t ____. And it is He that gets the glory and the honor. And my promotion and demotion and all that kinda thing that you folks can give me, and anything you say about me, it don’t make me no difference. Now, if the folks around can’t find something to lie on them. Go right ahead and lie on me. ____ ____ ____ ____ I can stand it. I won’t have to pay for them lies.
But I will say this. Science, and nobody else, nobody dead and incorruptible, and nobody alive on earth, that almost took in everybody, has performed any greater miracles. The sign following them that believe,8 than what they have that black boy you see standing here behind this black mask. The records will prove it. I’ve told you the history of the world. I told you what was gonna happen in Jerusalem, Egypt, and everything. Told you from one meeting to the other what gun was gonna fire, and what they was gonna do. Why? How did you know that?
Just like I told them about the Korean War here in your ‘Springfield Daily News.’ They said, ‘Well he don’t know what he’s talking about.’ I’m not trying to preach, I’m trying to tell you something. ‘He don’t what he’s talking about.’ I said, ‘Listen, I’ll be back here in 16 and 60 days, uh 60 days. 118 East Main Street, Springfield, Ohio, you got the address in your ‘Springfield Daily News.’ And there’s the man that took me down there. Stand up. Thank you, sit down.
8 Mark 16:17
They said, ‘There ain’t gonna be no war in Korea.’ Said, ‘He’s a smart man, but he don’t know what he’s talking about.’ I said, ‘I’ll be back in 60 days. When I get back here, they’ll be fighting.’ They was. And the press said to me down here, we got the article, you cut it out of the paper and you saved it. They was fighting like that. They said, ‘Well, how did you know that?’ ‘How did you know that they wasn’t gonna be?’
I heard a voice from upstairs. And that’s how I’ve been able to tell you what’s going on all over the world. I don’t have to ask nobody about nothing. And haven’t I stood and told you, day by day, month by month, year by year, and all, what’s gonna happen. Now that’s just the results of these charts.
And I wanna tell you things and ____, and you can dispute it to suit yourself, there isn’t anybody on earth know any thing more about it than me. And I wrestle with the big boys, the big shots. Here, we have a little fellow here, pretty tall man, heard me make statements like that. Went to New York, went up in the university. And he was dumbfounded and surprised to know that they didn’t know no more about what they was talking about. That’s right. Just didn’t know.
Now, folks, I wanna give it to you straight. And I wanna give it to you so you can understand. Now listen. It’s possible for you to know. That is the purpose of this meeting. I told you that before you come. It is possible for you to know everything that there is to be known about God. You can learn it in this meeting, this week. I mean during these seven days, if you have the patience to come here. Fix you so you don’t have to depend on nobody, so that you can answer all them ____.
Now, you can’t ask, I’m talking to you, talking right to your nose, you can’t ask me no questions I can’t answer. Now that’s, that’s, this is not the first time I’ve said that. I been saying that for 35 years, and I haven’t backseated nobody ____ question that I can’t answer. And listen, let me say this, let me tell you this: to be real honest about it, people have called theirselves real sharp and smart, haven’t even got intelligence enough to ask a deep divine question. So I have to ask my own questions.
Student Body: That’s right. LAUGHTER
Dr. Kinley: Now, that’s the truth. And I want you to understand, I’m not bragging or boasting. And I’m telling you that it is possible for you to know the same thing. And it’s time for you to know. And we have proved these things to these other people that have been in attendance. Listen, you never will learn out there in these sects, and cults, and things. It’s not out there for you to learn. They don’t know nothing about it. Now, read my book.
Now you listen what we’re gonna read. Now, you listen. You remember what I told you about John and Peter. How they were ignorant and unlearned men. And how the council beat ‘em and sent ‘em out, and said, ‘Listen. Let me tell you something.’ Said, ‘Just don’t preach no more in that name. Whatever you do, just don’t preach no more in that name..‘
‘We’ve got the Spirit’ Peter said. ‘You be the judge, whether it’s right in the sight of Yahweh. You be the judge, Sanhedrin Council, whether it’s right for us to obey.’9 And they went right on preaching, ignorant and unlearned men, when it comes to what they call education.
Here’s one out here, the same man that was with Pete, out here on the Isle of Patmos, the same heard a voice from heaven. Said, ‘what you see, and hear, write in the book.’10 Send it to the Vatican.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: To be imprimatured.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Send it to the seven churches, which are in Asia, Asia. We’ll tell you why he sent it there during this week. And they said that Peter went to Rome and died in Rome. They buried him in the ____ ____. That’s a barefaced lie. He never even set his toenails in Rome, and we can prove it. And I’ll tell you why that they have to say that.
Now, when you see, 24th chapter of Matthew the 15th verse, now, when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy Place, whosoever readeth let him understand. Understand where the Holy Place is, what it is. Know where to stand, when you see it. And I have told you right down, and the Apostle Paul said, if we credit him with the epistle to the Hebrews, he said forsake not to assemble yourselves together, for such as the manner of some is, and the much more you see the day approaching.11 Is that what he said?
Student Body: Yes.
9 Acts 4:19
10 Revelation 1:11
11 Hebrews 10:25
Dr. Kinley: Now, here you sit. You got the paper this morning. If you can’t see it, it’s because you’re stone blind. And there it is, it’s going right back through the migratory pattern. I want you to see what I’m talking about. Egypt, Nasser, down here. This is the Red Sea. Pharaoh in trouble. Nasser’s a pharaoh, too. And listen, He even got to name the man, named the man Nasser. No sir. Shall I enter Israel? No, sir. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You can read it in the paper. They were prepared. Russian ____ ____ the equipment. And they were prepared. Look at this paper here, represented by the Phoenix. Israel’s down in Egypt, following ‘em to the Red Sea. Pharaoh’s overthrown in the Red Sea. Pharaoh. Are you listening now?
Then we go on into the wilderness. That’s between the River Jordan and the Red Sea. And the man’s named Nasser. And here’s King Hussein. Now, who is sane? ____ you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You see what it’s all about? You don’t know… If you understand these things, who’s sane. And here they are prepared to jump on, John on the Isle of Patmos said, that I saw the beast rise up out of the sea, the beast rise up out of the sea.12 Don’t you know Pharaoh was overthrown in the Red Sea. And he’s looking right back yonder ____ ____ looking right back at the migration, and seen that beast overthrown in that sea. The beast that John saw was like a leopard. Now, you can get you some soap and water and the very best that Proctor and Gamble makes, you cannot wash the spots off a leopard.
Now, look and see what I’m talking about, here they were all gathered, Hussein, and Pharaoh ready to jump on Israel. Ready to leap, the leopard. And the lion of the tribe of Judah ____ ____ ____ right back in the migratory pattern. Now, if you see the day approaching… And this, what you see going on now is nothing else but a confirmatory repetition, dates and all.
You read in the paper, you scratching your head. And you don’t know what it’s all about. You get the point? Now, is that plain to you? God ____ ____ puts men up there, even with their names and all. And he ____ by these beasts. And you read about it in the Bible, and read about it in the paper. And reverend don’t know nothing about it. And he stood over there, and you gave him a tithe. And he’s driving around by himself in his Cadillac. Oughta be in jail. Sue him, and get back which you gave him.
Somebody come along and tell you the truth about it. Now, let me prove… I want you to see. I’m gonna put the train of thought right back together so you can see, so you can follow. You remember I told you that Matthew, that Jesus said, or Yahshua said… They said, ‘master, when shall these things be?’ Said, ‘there shall not be one stone left upon top of another that shall not be thrown down’13 out there on Mt. Moriah. And they questioned Him about it, when the age would come to an end.
12 Revelation 13:1
13 Matthew 24:2
And the Arabs and the Israelites. The Arabs are descended from Ishmael. And I would like you to know that Abraham is the father of Ishmael by Hagar. And Isaac is the father, I mean, Abraham is the father of Isaac by Sarah. And when we speak of ‘em in history we speak of them as the Jews and the Gentiles.
And here, the Apostle Paul was made a minister of the Gentiles. And being made a minister of the Gentiles, the Jews, they had the Law, not the Gentiles. The Jews had the Law ____ ____ ____ ____ and the Messiah, when He fulfilled, died out there on the cross, and it is not natural now, but it is spiritual. Carnal ordinances have been nailed to the cross.14 And the apostle preached that now it’s spiritual sacrifices instead of the Law of Moses,as it’s called, it’s the Law of the Spirit now, which is in your heart and in your mind. And instead of it being Israel having physical kings, it is the Kingdom of Yahshua. And it is not meats and drinks, as was this one. This dispensation of the Law ended right at the cross. But now, we don’t know no man no more after the flesh. Well, let me show you what I’m talking about.
Now, according to the promise that was made to Abraham, the Gentiles, God is not a respecter of persons, the Gentiles, they were grafted in among the branches, and they are heirs, and joint heirs amongst the Jews, and with the Israelites.15
Now, your fight is going on in Jerusalem. They’re talking about this thing I’m showing you. It’s centered in Mt. Moriah. You check your maps. And the Ishmaelites, or the Arabs, they have decided… And the Jews have had the holy city, it was divided. Now, you had that six-day war, coming down from June the 6th. Now you listen at me. I’m trying to learn you something about the thing. Then that temple was torn down by Titus, ____ ____ torn down in A.D. 70. Adam lived 930 years, and he died 70 years short. Check it out the story out of the Bible. God said, ‘I’ll build it again in 3 days.’ I will ____ and Solomon when He ____ ____, He said that heaven cannot contain Me, to say nothing about the house that he build. Heaven is my throne, earth is my footstool, where is the house that you builded unto me?16 Titus had tore it down, when he went into Jerusalem in A.D. 70, wasn’t one stone left upon top of another. Yes, indeed, they were dispersed, and they were in ecclesiastical or political bondage to the Gentiles. And He told them said they would be that way until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.17 And I’m trying to caution you that the times of the Gentiles is ____ ____ you’re setting up here seeing and still calmed the sea. Rest. And, when they went in there, and the Jews, they recovered…
14 Colossians 2:14
15 Romans 8:17
16 Isaiah 66:1
17 Luke 21:24
I’ll tell you something about the Jews, too, you’ve got him all twisted up. What you think is a Jew is not a Jew. What makes a man a Jew, is a, is a, what is it? Listen, let’s say it so you can understand it. It is not a prejudice question. Not a Jew, but his religion. That’s what makes him a Jew. I’m a Jew. Somebody said, ‘No, you’re not. You’re a Nigger.’ I said I was a Jew, not one outwardly in the flesh, but the circumcision is that which is in the heart. Second chapter of Romans, in the last two verses, will tell you, he that is a Jew is not one outwardly, but that one inwardly.
Student Body: Right. Right.
Dr. Kinley: And when ____ ____ ____ you come to the altar… I say reverend, leave your gift at the altar and go your way and be reconciled with your brother if he has ought against you.18 And, if he won’t hear you, take your witness and go to him. And then, if he won’t hear that, then bring him before the congregation of the assembly. And if he won’t hear them, so says Messiah, then let him be unto thee as a publican and a thief, or a Gentile. He said that under the dispensation of the Law. So a Jew becomes a heathen, just like anybody else. Then the heathen by acceptance of the true God of the universe becomes a spiritual Jew. If it is possible for a Gentile to become a Jew, after circumcision of the heart. If that’s possible, it’s also possible that a Jew become a Gentile. It’s a poor rule that don’t work both ways.
Now, let me show you what I’m talking about, I’ll have to hasten on. Now they, this wailing wall was a part of that mountain, Mt. Moriah. And that Temple was torn down, back to the ground. You remember the Savior, between the Arabs and the Israelites, and when they went in there, then they accomplished, and they went up to the Wailing Wall. Say, it’s in the paper, folks. They went up to the Wailing Wall. They said that they’re never gonna surrender. Russia get mad, and say give back all that they had won through what they call aggression. God said, and told Abraham, walk the length and breadth of that land, and it reached from the, one river and clear on down to the River Nile. All of that, He said, He would give to them. And now here Russia wants to take control and more oppressive than there is now in this day, talking about giving back your land. And Israel says, ‘no.’ They’re not gonna give it back. They’re going to keep it. They believe that God gave it to them ____ ____ ____.
Of course, now this natural Jerusalem is a figure of heavenly Jerusalem. They got their Jerusalems mixed up. But you’ve always got to have a reflection. Always got to have a reflection. So now, there they are up at the wailing wall, and they reverend that, than to give it up. And the wailing wall is like this, just like you would put a rung up around that mountain, to go up to that mountain. And that stone, that… It’s no wonder Messiah said, upon this rock I’ll build my church, and the very gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.19 And the house of the Lord shall be established in the tops of the mountains, and all nations shall flow into it.20
18 Matthew 5:23-24
19 Matthew 16:18
20 Micah 4:1
Roman Catholics said Peter is the rock. I beg your pardon. Peter’s just a stone. And Peter said hisself, you are lively stones in the building.21 And ye are building upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, and Yahshua the Messiah Himself being the chief cornerstone; in whom all the building, fitly framed together groweth into a holy temple for a habitation of God through the Spirit.22 And you know just as well as I do, these stones that were hewn out in that pit down there, all the stones and all not down in the quarry before they were brought up and went into this house. And listen, Pete wasn’t the only a stone in there. ____ ____ in there, we’re built up a spiritual house.
Now, let me conclude. Now, do you see what I’m talking about? See what the fight is? Now, you go back and take the 23rd chapter of Leviticus, and check it right down by the days, and by the sacred and civil year, and you too can tell what is happening. And the much more you see of it, then you don’t forsake to assemble yourselves together, but for the Lord’s sake go where you can find out something for sure.
Now, I want you to see this. Now, many false prophets shall go out. Now this is ____ ____. That’s the 24th chapter of Matthew, 15th verse. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, let him that readeth understand it, for many, not a few, but many false prophets shall ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. But now, since His death, burial, and resurrection, now here’s John talking about it. Now, you watch and see where the false prophets… If I don’t understand what you’re reading. If I don’t understand what I’m reading, you tell me how that I can tell you the history of the world. You tell me how God can perform all these miracles. Why would I do all these things, and you can’t do nothing but stand around and argue with me. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Beloved,23
Dr. Kinley: Beloved,
Dr. Mary Gross: believe not every spirit,
21 I Peter 2:5
22 Ephesians 2:20-22
23 I John 4:1
Dr. Kinley: believe not every spirit,
Dr. Mary Gross: but try the…
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute.. Said, don’t believe every one of them spirits. What are spirits? What are angels? What are ____? The angels cast out of heaven down in the earth, they become demonic spirits incarnated in physical bodies. ____ ____ ____ educated somebody, slick deceivers. Now, he says, don’t believe everybody, but you try the spirit. But how you going to try, how you going to try spirits? ____ ____ ____. Well listen, says these signs shall follow them that do believe. Are you getting the significance of what I’m saying? You’re not, if you say, ‘Oh, I believe that.’ No, you didn’t. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: but try the spirits
Dr. Kinley: but try the spirits
Dr. Mary Gross: whether they are of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: whether they are of Yahweh.
Dr. Mary Gross: because many false prophets
Dr. Kinley: because many false prophets
Dr. Mary Gross: are gone out
Dr. Kinley: No, not gonna go… He says in the 24th chapter of Matthew, John says they’ve already gone out, many, not a few, many false prophets gone out in the world, and to deceive the folks. And you see the Methodists, and the Baptists, and the Presbyterians, the Camelites and the Dunkards, all divided up there. One preaching one thing, and another preaching another, and another preaching another, and so forth and so on. And everybody’s right. Is that right?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: ____ ____ ____. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Hereby know ye
Dr. Kinley: Now listen. Right by this
Dr. Mary Gross: … know
Dr. Kinley: Wait a minute. Know.. Right by this. Now, here is the application, right by this, hereby… Beloved, don’t believe every spirit, for many false prophets already gone out in the world, AD 90 when he wrote that, is already gone. Now, it says, hereby or right by this. Now you know what a false prophet is. Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Know ye the Spirit of Yahweh:
Dr. Kinley: Know ye the Spirit of Yahweh: Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: Every spirit that confesseth not
Dr. Kinley: Every spirit that confesseth not
Dr. Mary Gross: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Mary Gross: is come
Dr. Kinley: Shall come. Jesus is coming.
Student Body: No. No.
Dr. Kinley: Won’t you give Him your hand and start on your way to Heaven? Jesus is coming. What’s He coming for? He’s coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle, you read about it over here in Paul’s letter to the Ephesians24 husbands love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave, set forth that He might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water by the Word. Now He’s coming back. Back to His church without spot or wrinkles. That man don’t know what he’s talking about. Every Spirit that testifies that Yahshua is come… He is come. And I’m telling you, that’s what’s in me. Now you try, you try the Spirit. You know that I can’t do nothing. You see what I’m talking about? He was the faith healer. He was the prophet that Moses said should come. That’s what it is in me. He is come. And I’m not standing out there, looking up in the sky like a stupe looking for Him to jump out of the clouds. Every Spirit that testifies that He is come… When I went to school, is is present tense.
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Dr. Kinley: Now you can decide whether your pastor has been telling you. That’s in the book. All right, read.
Dr. Mary Gross: is come in the flesh
24 Ephesians 5:25-26
Dr. Kinley: is come in the flesh. That is to say, I’m walking around here in a physical body, and so are you. And every last one of you got Him in your heart, and He’s a quickening Spirit, and He is come. And you walking around here talking about the Holy Ghost. And you don’t know no more about the Holy Ghost than a hog does about dentistry. And standing around here in the pulpit preaching to somebody. And yet and still you talking about, ‘When I got the Holy Ghost, God stopped me from chewing tobacco, smoking cigarettes.’ That’s all the Devil knows.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Telling people what not to eat, no pork and all that kinda stuff. Just plain don’t care, no ____ ____, he don’t care. ‘When I got saved, he stopped me, the Holy Ghost stopped me from drinking.’ It’s a wonder he wouldn’t stop someone from lying.
Student Body: LAUGHTER
Dr. Kinley: Now I’m giving it to you straight. I know it sounds funny. Listen, I’ll drink what I wanna drink, and eat what I please, and it’s my business. If I got the Holy Spirit in me, it will control me, govern me so I don’t get out of control, just like the sun, moon, and the stars, every physical object, and they don’t get out of control. Why? Because they are controlled by universal spirit law. And that’s what it is in here that controls this. I know when I got enough to eat. And I know what I wanna eat, and it ain’t none of your business. If it don’t make me sick, it ought not to bother you.
That’s all these preachers is doing is running around here talking about abstaining from something or other, he’s got sanctified and all them different kind of things. He’s saved now, in this plain old cafet.., he calls that sanctification, done set him apart from all them physical things, but listen, you can see a bottle of whiskey with a ____ ____ ____ talking about somebody.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Then on top of that, and while you say he don’t drink, he don’t chew, he don’t smoke, g to have the Lord’s Supper.’ And that Devil stand right up there in the pulpit and tell you he’s gonna create Christ by a prayer over it. That’s Roman Catholicism. The Protestants say, ‘No, that ain’t what we’re doing.’ Say, ‘Instead of it being transubstantiation, it’s consubstantiation. It’s a type. It’s a shadow. It’s a reflection.’
Now, Paul was telling you, ain’t that what he says, that all of these carnal and natural things in the kingdom of Israel, spiritually, they pointed to the Spirit. The natural was moved out of the way. And Messiah was not a natural man walking around, but He’s a quickening Spirit. And He is come in your heart, and in mine. And you are in the Kingdom of, translated us, so says the Apostle Paul in Thessalonians. Said He translated us into the Kingdom of Yahshua, His dear Son. And you standing around talking about beloved try whether they are of God. And here, this man is standing up here drinking this grape juice, and talking about it being a type and a shadow. Well, nobody back here, everybody eating and drinking, they didn’t have the Holy Spirit, and they never kept the Law. The reverend is so blind, until he’s got the crackers and the grape juice passing them around. And that’s nailed to the cross.25 And he sees, looking at that physical and natural, just like he’s expecting Him to jump down out of the clouds. The mystery of iniquity, Satan transformed into an angel of light or a Doctor of Divinity standing up preaching to you.26
And here, I come along, and because I don’t advocate water baptism, washing feet, and taking Lord’s Suppers, like they do. Say look, you need some Lord’s Supper. You need a good washing. You need to be baptized, if you haven’t been. But I’m not talking about it in the physical sense. Those things typify. Look, water baptism was a type of a death and a burial. And, therefore, John had to baptize Him before He was crucified, in order to baptize Him into His death, the 6th chapter of Romans, and begin back at the 1st verse. Baptizing before He died, so that they might be typified, baptized into His death, that they might resurrect with Him. And now, look, you can’t go around preaching that Christ resurrected from the dead. What’s the matter with you? Then you wanna baptize somebody into His death? We preach that He resurrected and ascended and went on back to Heaven.
And now He’s come to you in the form of the Holy Spirit, which was poured out about nine o’clock in the morning, A. D. June 6th, day of June, 33. That’s when that happened. And there’s a constant reflection of it going on right now. At the crack of dawn, that gun went off over yonder, just like at the crack of dawn here, gathered here up around Mt. Sinai, the gun sounded, and God spoke to them. Said, ‘I am the Lord thy God,’ not the Pope, not somebody else. ‘I brought thee out of the land of Egypt, and out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.’ Mt. Sinai just shook and trembled, and even Moses that brought ‘em all out, said, ‘I exceeding shook.’ When He spoke on June the 6th, on the Day of Pentecost, at nine o’clock, and it’s been just repeating itself on down. And here this gun went off, a big gun. Israel pulled the trigger over yonder. Right on time. And the reflection is on time. And they stand around talking about the natural things. Jerusalem above is the mother of us. That’s natural, physical, but we are born of the Spirit. We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood but principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. ____ ____ ____ ____. And listen, every sin that the man committeth is without the body, to see what’s in your heart and in your mind. There ain’t nothing in that pork you’re eating. And should you happen to eat too much, or overdose, listen, who pays the bill? ‘Ohh.’ You’re paying the bill, it ain’t bothering me. If you didn’t know no better that time, you’ll know better next time. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____, I don’t care for rice ____ ____ ____ every have rice. Somebody out there says ____ ____ ____ pork running around everybody ____. They don’t eat pork or because they do. And that’s what this mess is and that’s going on all over the world. Got all this carnality all mixed up with spirituality. Here’s how you know. Every spirit that testifies, listen, that Yahshua the Messiah is come is what?
25 Colossians 2:14
26 II Corinthians 11:14
Dr. Mary Gross: is of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: is of Yahweh. Now John’s doing this talking, not me. So now, don’t go to nobody and say that man says. All right, read on
Dr. Mary Gross: And every Spirit
Dr. Kinley: And listen, and every Spirit, I don’t care whose preacher it is. Read
Dr. Mary Gross: that confesseth not
Dr. Kinley: that confesseth not
Dr. Mary Gross: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Kinley: that Yahshua the Messiah,
Dr. Mary Gross: is come in the flesh
Dr. Kinley: is come in this dispensation of Grace, not the dispensation of the Law, but the dispensation of Grace. Everyone that testifies that He is come, is what?
Dr. Mary Gross: is not of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: Everyone that testifies that He is come…
Dr. Mary Gross: is of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: It is of Yahweh. Everyone that testifies that He is not come is what?
Dr. Mary Gross: is not of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: is not of Yahweh. You heard me. I said he is not of Yahweh. In almost all those churches that you ever heard of in your life is standing out looking for Jesus to come jumping down through the sky. Carnal mind. And old rev, he’s saying what He’s coming for. He’s coming back after a church without spot or wrinkle. Now, He’s done gone on off. Now He’s the head, and He done run off and left His head, left, left, left His body. Stupid. You are the body. He being the head and you being the body, you with the spirit in you. Yahshua did not leave His church. Reason why didn’t nobody see Him walking around on the face of the earth, He was the Holy Ghost personified. So, ever since He took off the flesh, He’s a quickening Spirit, and you don’t know Him like that, walking around shaking hands with Him, and He would walk down the street out there and you wouldn’t know Him, you wouldn’t realize. Paul said we know Him no more after the flesh but it’s after the spirit. And unless you expect to see a man. Listen, when you the spirit ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ in the coal mines of West Virginia or Kentucky or somewhere ____ ____ ____ genuine, you will see Him as He is ____ everywhere. Holy Ghost poured out on the Day of Pentecost. And you not realizing and you got a carnal mind, you standing out and looking out the while clouds, every eye shall see Him. Well, look, look at the clouds. Look at ‘em coming there. Many of the saints that slept in the dust of the earth rose and went on into Jerusalem. And Paul said therefore seeing we are compassed about, seeing we are compassed about by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us put aside every weight and sin that doth so easily beset us and run the race, looking after Yahshua the Messiah who is the author and finisher of our faith.27 That was Him, come all the way down through the dispensations and ages. He’s the author and He is the finisher of our faith. Yahweh is manifested in the flesh, seen of angels, believed on in the world, preached unto the gentiles, received up.28 Every Spirit that testifies that He is come, not gonna come, but is come. Well, He may come to you this afternoon. He may come to this man. Whenever you apologize or repent He will come, come within you. Now, says, He shall appear to those who look for Him.29 If you’re not looking for Him, you won’t see a thing of Him. Unto they that look for Him shall He appear the second time, without sin unto salvation. Now, every Spirit that testifies that Yahshua the Messiah, is come is of God. And every spirit that testifies that He has not yet come, like all of the so-called preachers that’s going around… Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: And every spirit that confesseth not that Yahshua, the Messiah, is come in the flesh is not of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: is not of Yahweh.
Dr. Mary Gross: And this is that spirit
Dr. Kinley: And listen, this is that spirit, this is it. This is that what?
Dr. Mary Gross: spirit of anti-messiah
27 Hebrews 12:1,2
28 I Timothy 3:16
29 Hebrews 9:28
Dr. Kinley: This is that spirit of anti-messiah, or antichrist. This is it. Now, you can decide ____ ____ ____. This is where you make the decision. Then somebody with good intention say, ‘Yeah, believe a lie, cause ____ in me.’ (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Said, ‘I’m looking for Him.’ Reverend said, ‘Come on. We don’t know what the end will be, but get started.’ Said, ‘what’s in heaven, rev?’ Said, ‘I don’t know,’ said, ‘but we’re going on and we’re gonna see Him.’ Listen, if you don’t know what’s there, what business have you got inviting somebody to go someplace and you don’t know nothing about it. All you have to do is look at the pattern.
Then said the Spirit, 2nd chapter of Corinthians, said this. For the Spirit searcheth all things, yes, the deep things of God. Spirit searches the deep things. Walk up to some of… you know, that call theirself, say, ‘Look rev, I got a question I wanna ask you. Almost just a child question.’ Say, ‘Listen brother’ said, ‘I’m not gonna meddle in God’s business. I don’t know what this, and that and the other is but I tell you one thing. I’m on my way.’ Yes, but where? We… all we have to do is look right into the pattern, and see it there, it’s just as plain as the nose on your face. And we should know where we’re going.
And let me say this, too. You know, what with all that praise going on all of the time, blessing Him, thanking Him, well what He has done, the angels flying through the midst of heaven with the everlasting gospel preached to every creature that dwelt on the earth, saying, holy, holy, holy, day and night.30 Why, it would wear you out. Somebody said, ‘I’m so nervous. I can’t stand it.’ That’s no way for you to go. Now, if you just happen to miss that, and go the other way, that’s crowded too. Just happen to mention, and they’re crying down there because they lost out, wherever you want to say Hell is. Lament, unutterable lament, a most diabolical hatred inconceivable to mortal consciousness. There shall be weeping and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.31 And there shall be joy, both ways. And you’d be uncomfortable in either place.
Somebody said, ‘I can’t sit still for no two and a half hours.’ You been wrong two thousand years, and haven’t found out the truth, and here, you haven’t got patience to sit here a couple of hours. And, when the apostles and them preached, it was a daily ministration. And here you say you’re so right. The Roman Catholic Church, the door’s hanging open all the time. You go by there anytime you want to and go on in. Any time. They don’t close it. Open right around the clock. Go in there, kneel down. You can go in anytime. The Protestants, they got the thing locked up. And more than likely the ____ and then, they’re all ____ some kinda confusion cause they don’t agree on doctrine. And they got things down there, and put a lock on the door.
Student Body: Right. That’s right.
30 Revelation 4:8
31 Matthew 13:42
Dr. Kinley: Now, would you call that the Spirit? Just a lot of foolishness. When you really got the Spirit of the Lord in you, the Spirit of Yahweh, you don’t need nobody to come home to. ‘But I want somebody to tell me how to live. That’s what I go to church for. I want somebody to tell me.’ What you go to do is get the Spirit. Get the Spirit, and you won’t need nobody following you around to try to tell you what to do and how to behave yourself and conduct yourself. Now, if it can’t keep you straight, then you’re a hopeless case. Now, that’s right. It’ll stop you from lying. It’ll cause you to get along with folks, some kinda way. A time to speak, and a time to shut up, and all them different kinds of… And somebody, some of us just, we just gonna insist and cram something down somebody’s throat just anyhow, and people just get good and sick of you. You, you can’t convert nobody like that. Now, do you understand?
But every Spirit… I wanna conclude by saying this. I heard a voice from heaven. And every spirit that testifies that He is come. Now, that’s in the book. You’ll find that in the first epistle of John, the fourth chapter. Somebody say, ‘Oh, yes. I knew He come back down before. And He’s coming, coming down…’ No, we’re not talking about that. We’re talking about in this dispensation. This dispensation begin with Pentecost. And He come at Pentecost. And He is coming in the hearts and minds of everybody that looks for Him, that’s looking for ____ as of now. The resurrection is going on now. If you be dead in Christ from the rudiments of the world, or if you get over them crackers and grape juice and all that water, from the rudiments of the world, then we live, we live in Him, with Him as of now. Translated. Well, how’s that happen? By the renewing of your mind. And it is the Holy Spirit that is infused in our bodies. And it is that Spirit, at the revelation of when He comes revealed to everybody, that will change this mortal, from a mortal to an immortal.
Somebody said, ‘Well, I don’t believe that.’ Well, Paul said this, for your information. What if some don’t believe, does that make it of none effect? That’s the way it is. And that’s why there’s so much division among us, is because we don’t understand spiritual things. We got a carnal mind, we never have been born of God. We’re in the pulpit, and arguing around about salaries and all like. We’re more concerned about that than we are your soul, and all them different kinda…
And I don’t care what you do for us. Paul said, if you give all you possess, and your body to be burned, and have not charity, it won’t profit you a thing. And you can go 25 or 30 years, and set up here in some of these secular cults and denominations, and what not, and just be just as dumb as you can be, not realize a thing of what it is all about. Set there, and that day slip up on you unawares.
Somebody said, ‘Listen. Well I have belonged to this church. And listen, I don’t believe in fighting over denominations. I don’t believe in that.’ Say, look, boy, what’s the matter with you? Devil done established all these cults out here. And there’s no way at all to keep from having a conflict with some of ‘em. He sent me to preach the gospel. I’ve got as much authority to preach the gospel ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ than anybody else. And you tell me I’m not supposed to meddle with you and your religion. That’s what I was sent for. You need to wake up. That’s what’s the matter with you. Said, ‘My religion is my business.’ Say, look, when Messiah come in the world, there were the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, the Zealots, and the scribes, and the Pharisees. Yahshua didn’t have no right to be meddling in their, to be meddling with them and their religion. If He didn’t have no right meddling with them and their religion, what right have they got, walking up to Him and saying, ‘Say, listen, we got the ____ by what authority do you ____.’ He ain’t got no right to meddle in their religion and here they are meddling ____ ____.
Why don’t you wake up. We’re sent to preach the gospel to every creature. And there’s always somebody standing around, tooting around, shooting out the corner, ‘I seen him come out of that place down there, ain’t that a beer joint? Is that an imagination house?’ Said, ‘I’ve seen him with my own eyes.’ Listen, you’re sent to the people that don’t have the Spirit of Christ. The sick need a doctor, not them that are whole. And that’s might near everybody there is in the world. So, you go and preach the gospel to every creature, and every creature that testifies that Yahshua the Messiah is come in the flesh is of God. And every one that don’t testify, out there, looking for Him to come, jump down. Listen He’s not above, now you can believe anything you want to, don’t matter with me. I gonna go with the truth. Read on.
Dr. Mary Gross: whereof ye have heard32
Dr. Kinley: Whereof the Messiah said it would come. John is ____. Read.
Dr. Mary Gross: that it should come;
Dr. Kinley: that it should come;
Dr. Mary Gross: and even now
Dr. Kinley: and even now
Dr. Mary Gross: already
Dr. Kinley: already
Dr. Mary Gross: is it in the world
Dr. Kinley: is it in the world, standing up here in the pulpit. That is ____. And you don’t have no right, by no kind of a speck of imagination, to tell me I’m wrong about it, when I’ve proved it to you for 35 years in Springfield and elsewhere. I’ve told you what’s going on all over the world. You don’t know no body, I don’t care if you do knew body, you just don’t know any body who told you any more, or performed any more miracles than what I have done. I don’t care what they call theirselves. And I’m not bragging or boasting either. I told you I can’t do nothing. I heard a voice from heaven. And that’s what’s is in me that accomplishes. And we’ve got medical records, historical records and documents, telling what’s going on all over the world, potentates, and everybody else. Kings and queens have died just when I said they would die, and you know it. You’re my witness. Come on down here and let’s try to learn something about God for sure. So then we’ll know the spirit of God and the mystery of iniquity or the spirit of error.
32 I John 4:3
Remember this, this is the 50th year, from 1917, I’m talking about the Year of Jubilee. I’ll tell you more about that after a while about the miracle of Fatima, and other miracles, before it’s all over with. And you stand around and talk about the Garden of Eden, and the forbidden fruit in the tree in the Garden of Eden right back here. And Adam and Eve back there, and that, Satan deceived that woman, symbolical of the church. That angel in the Garden ____ ____ ____. And you didn’t even recognize or realize, He Himself is the savior of the world, not Mary. And Paul said, in the 2nd chapter of 2nd Thessalonians, he said that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, that man of sin, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is preached or all that is called God, so that he as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God ____ or that is called God because they wouldn’t accept the truth, and the Messiah was the truth or He was the savior of the world ____ ____. ____ Paul said god would send ‘em a strong delusion and cause them to believe a lie that they all might be destroyed or damned. Here, over there in Fatima, there is that or God sending that strong delusion, there’s that apparition appearing in that tree over there. If you ever see he was back here in the Garden of Eden, there’s Pope Paul goes on over, Paul the 6th with the mark of the beast, and that same satanic spirit that was back there in the Garden marked with that 666 ____ ____ ____ ____ out there on the tree, the serpent and the woman, and the apparition was over there. And you setting right over, right at it, and it’s nothing else but a repetition. And this is carrying on back to the beginning of the thing. And I want you to know that’s not, instead of it going on, and continuing on, we’ve come on back to the end where it started at. That’s right. And I want you to see that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself, above all that is called God, so that he as God, sitteth in the Vatican over there, sitteth in the temple of his vicar in the Vatican, showing himself that he is God. There he is, Satan, the 6th ____, ____ is coming on down til we got down to the 6th and last Pope that dies. Before the number 5. And they bring him on in on time. And there he is 6, Pope Paul the 6th. And I showed you how the 666 got in on there, before this meeting is over with. John said out there on the Isle of Patmos, I heard a voice from heaven. Here is wisdom, let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it’s the number of a man. And his number is six hundred, three score, and six.33 ____ ____ looking right at it, ____ and demonstrating. And now, another thing over yonder, took a plane on out of the Vatican, Rome, and landed over yonder in Jerusalem. There’s that spirit has been bound all these many years in the Vatican, and once he’s loosed out of the Vatican, John seen it before it happened, said I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, and he went on to describe it. And then he went on to say that it was for the people and loosed out of the Vatican, he’s called the prince of the power of the air, took a plane and went on into Jerusalem. John said, he’d be loosed for a little season, and he’s gone to the four corners of the earth. And then he will deceive the nations which is in the 4 corners of the earth. Go on over yonder into Jerusalem. Went to Jerusalem, went on in the tomb. People ain’t even got brazen and sense enough to see that. And while he was in the tomb, where the Messiah was ____ or buried, a blackout in the tomb. Never had one before, a blackout in the tomb where Messiah was buried. Got on up from there and went on back to the Vatican.
33 Revelation 13:18
And after going on back the Vatican, he went off down yonder in India. That’s the second trip. We’re talking about the four corners, and then he went on back to the Vatican.
And then, here he went to appeal to the nations that are upon the four corners of the world. Here he comes, on over here to New York, to the U.N., there he made an appeal making an appeal that there must not be no more war. And that’s what we’re fighting, the wicked spirit. And that’s trip number three.
And here’s number four. And now, here he goes on over yonder in Portugal. There he is back in the bush, there he is back in the tree, there he is back in the garden. There’s that number. And there’s that repeated offense, all back while you setting up reading the newspaper. And you don’t know what it’s all about, any more so than ____ ____ ____.
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