9) SEPTEMBER, 1966: JUDGEMENT AND RESURRECTION NOW
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
recorded by Dr. Carl F. Gross
transferred to audio cassette by Gerry Rothstein
One 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 66.09
transcribed by Felecia Carrington
first proofreading: Rodney Suttles
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
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SCRIPTURE READING: Revelation 20
Dr. Kinley: Greetings in the bonds of peace. First of all I would like to say that I’m indeed happy and glad to be back with you again. After the absence of four months and one day. Mary and me visited the people of Yahweh back in the State of Ohio. I would like to say that while they’re doing along fine, and doing well they have their oppositions their trials and their tribulations and troubles, things of such, just like you do. I sat there and thought, I thought about what John said on the Isle of Patmos about the adversary or the devil. He said that, the saint’s would be overcome. And then I thought too I don’t mean that they’ll be overcome but they would have their problems, their trials and their tribulations, and what not. And the Messiah said Himself in the 24th chapter of Matthew, 21st chapter of Luke and the 13th chapter of Mark that many false prophets, and false teachers, and false messiahs would go out and deceive many, not a few but many. And as we look around over the world. I’m very sad to say that we see that being fulfilled,
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: back in the State of Ohio and all over the world. There’s no difference, its no difference at all. The world at this present time is groping in stupidity, ignorance, and darkness. It is prophetic for it to be that way. And it just must be. That’s all there is to it. It just must be. Yet and still, there is some people all over the world that want to know something about the truth, want to know the reality. And of course that’s what the school is established for, in Ohio and everywhere else. And the wrestle that they had in Ohio is hard. The dean there said to me, said, ‘well doc,’said, ‘many times I felt like just writing you a letter, telling you that maybe somebody else would handle it better than I could.’ I said, ‘well if you had wrote that letter, I would have wrote you right back and told you that just fight on, cause can’t nobody handle it any better than the Holy Ghost. And that’s what you’re supposed to have.’ That’s what I’ve told him. So I said this to him, I tried to inspire and encourage him. And he thanked me very much. And with all of the setbacks that they’ve had, they are still progressing in every way. They are sticking together pretty good there, probably more than what a person would see. So now that’s.., Springfield is the headquarters you might say of the entire state of Ohio. So then it is from there that they go out to Columbus and to Middletown and Dayton, and elsewhere in the State of Ohio. So some places where they had kinda let down they revived and they’re going along fine when I left.
Then I left Springfield and went to Birmingham, Alabama, Dr. Jones. And I’m happy and glad to report that he is doing well there, doing just fine, and I spoke there a couple of times. And I didn’t see fit to caution him about but just one thing in particular, and outside of that why things was going along fine. And that was this: which everybody hates to go up against and it is a part of the program of the devil to separate races, nations and things of that kind, knowing that down in Alabama and Arkansas, as we might like to describe as the deep south, why they’re a little touchy. You know what I mean? That thing has grown among them for many, many years. I cautioned Dr. Jones that, to just forget all about it. This is not a civil rights movement this is a divine right, and there’s nobody that can obstruct or hinder you, so far as the divine right is concerned but for Satan himself. So go right on into it, and let the folks know that everybody, this gospel is to be preached to all nations and we are living now in the final conclusion of this age. And it behooves everybody, makes no difference who you are and where you come from, and just forget about the race and the nationality, just forget about that, all that, just blow it on out of your mind and preached the gospel to every creature; doesn’t make any difference about where you are, down south or up north or out west or anywhere, just preach the gospel.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: And if you do that, then you can just rest assured, that you are going to get in trouble. So be prepared for that. Don’t think you’re gonna go through here without some obstructions and some opposition, but you must be prepared for it. So I cautioned him very strictly about that and.., one of the reasons, things that brought it to my attention was right to next door to where he lives was a white guy. And he had had some meeting in his home, and he had not extended them an invitation to come over and be in the meeting. And so that brought it vividly to my attention, and I said, ‘No, we are not gonna have nothing like that. You have your, read your aims and objectives here in the school, you read them since I’ve been here, Sunday night and you say that in every meeting, so then let’s don’t, let’s don’t tolerate, let’s don’t advocate by our actions nothing of that sort, invite everybody.’ We just should him invite Governor Wallace in too. ____ ____ Wallace setting up in this school, ____ that could be. It’s as much intended for him as it is for everybody else. And as you know that, that is what I have told you ever since you have been knowing me. And we don’t intend to have in this school nobody that has any racial prejudice or anything like that on the official board of this school. We don’t want ‘em on there. And the reason why we don’t want ‘em on there is because the gospel is to be preached to every creature. That’s a universal thing. As the scripture said, the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and all nations shall flow into it. Again, it says there, the 21st chapter of Luke, 24th chapter of Mark, which we just read right on passed it and don’t pay no attention to it. It says why, He’d sit upon the throne of His glory and all nations would be before Him. And He would judge all nations according to their works. And now if the kingdom of the devil is universal. What do you think about the Kingdom of God? So then we have to be very careful about those things.
Now there’s one or two other things I wanna mention to you about, that is Little Rock Arkansas. I think you should have some report on that. I went there. Dr. Dewey McCoy was and of course he hasn’t got just actually straightened out there to do anything much. He arrived in Little Rock sometime after Dr. Jones went to Alabama. We got in there on Thursday, and he was living with his sister and brother-in-law at the time. And we stayed in the motel, my Brother Bennie and I were together. They wouldn’t let me go by myself, and so they sent him along with me to come as far as Little Rock, and when I came here why he went on back home. But any how on Friday after we arrived there Thursday, Dr. Mccoy moved into a house I called it in emergency. And he couldn’t get all of his furniture in there. And so my brother and I, we tried to help him get a pathway through, and unwrap the bed and first one thing and another, and we finally got it together. And it’s kinda out in the country, so they didn’t use natural gas out there, they had butane. So they shut off the gas and had to change the burners on the stove. So then that was on Friday. Saturday we went around there and tried to get things together so that they can continue on. And Dr. Mccoy works on the base, the military base. And he didn’t want to lose any time there, so that left his wife, and my brother, and I to try and do the best we could to straighten out things. Of course I called myself helping. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So the thought that I wanted to express to you there is on a Sunday we went to work and we had the meeting there, that was the first meeting that we had there. Well we had one on Friday night, I’m getting ahead of myself. And he had brought some eight or ten people there all together Friday night ____ ____. So I would say that meeting was precious. Then on Sunday, why we didn’t have so many, because the people that were in favor of the meeting and those that were to help him, so forth and so on, they hadn’t come to the knowledge of how important it is for them to be here together. So some of ‘em had other commitments, and so.., you know how that is, and so we went on from there. Well, I preached hard ____ ____. This gas business thing as I told you about had been shut off and they, the man turned it back on and he forgot to turn it on in the hot water tank. And so I contracted my heavy cold there, just before my departure from Little Rock. So that’s how I happen to be sick when I did arrive, and I was sick too, and had very hard time. But all in all, out of all the places we went. I would say they are progressing, getting along fine.
Now I wanna talk about you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I just give the report. ____ the boys will preach there, I’ll leave the preaching to them. Now your conduct and you behavior, though I was absent in body, I was present in spirit. And I wanna let you know that I knew at all times what was going on here. Who preached and what they preached about, and so forth and so on. Your attendance and everything. I knew about it all the time. So I do want to commend you on sticking together and persevering during my absence, because I did realize and I didn’t do no worrying about it either. I never worried one bit about it. No indeed, no worrying at all. Why? Because I knew that the brethren that was here were fully capable and qualified to tell you the truth. And they would tell you at any expense even if it cost them their life, they would tell you the truth. And so I just didn’t do any worrying about it at all. Of course you always have anywhere here, Ohio, Birmingham, Little Rock and other places some stragglers that drop in, then they drop out, then the unconcerned and so forth and so on. We’re gonna always have that ____. So all and all why I’m happy and glad to be back with you and to talk with you about the things that pertain to the Kingdom of Yahweh. Now for a few minutes I’d like to talk with you about the scripture lesson you just read, just for a few minutes. One of the things that keeps that 20th chapter of Revelations ever before me is, when I had the vision and revelation, I saw that in the vision. I saw it just like it was, and understood it. Now, so, with me, I’d just like to tell you in terms that you can understand. There’s no need to tell you something that you can’t understand, leave the thing half cocked or something like that. Now this judgement that we’re talking about, this final judgement that we’re talking about, I want to tell you that you are already in it.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: I want to tell you that this is the judgement, and we have been in it for quite some time. Now I know there’s somebody jump up and say, ‘well, I don’t believe that.’ Well it don’t make no difference whether you believe it or not. It’s so anyhow.
Student Body: Alright.
Dr. Kinley: As Paul said, what if some don’t believe it, does that make the Word of God of no effect? Yes, indeed. Then another thing about this whole thing. Let me tell you this real softly. Let me tell you this real softly, and I hope it thunders against your conscience to such an extent that it will awaken you, whether you accept as of now or reject that which is being taught here, in this school, stay down there boy, you’re gonna have to face it down here anyhow. You’re gonna have to, you’re gonna have to accept it. As we sometimes say, we don’t wanna cram nothing down nobody’s throat as of now, but I am telling you it will be crammed down your throat. Like or don’t like. Believe or disbelieve. Now you think that thing over, think it over seriously. It’s going to happen, and it’s happening now. Now one of the things that made me think to say that to you is this: there is a lot of doctrines that are being taught that to futurtively or actify that the Messiah will sit upon the throne of His Father gathering, then all nations will be gathered before Him, and that He will separate the wheat from the chaff. That’s in many of the doctrines, including the Roman Catholics, is called the millennium. Now the millennium comes up after the rapture. Or the rapture now what we mean by the rapture is this: that’s yet to come, the rapture. And when the rapture comes, why then all of these that are living walking around here now, they will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, but they will not prevent those which are asleep, the righteous dead which are asleep in the graves and cemeteries. And that, now all of this is future. It hasn’t come to pass as yet, according to their preaching. They’ll be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, and then that’s called the rapture. But the rest of the dead, that’s the first resurrection, but the rest of the dead, they didn’t live again until after the thousand years were expired. Now I’m down in the 20th chapter of Revelations. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years was expired. And then He shows up again, the Messiah, and that’s the general and the final judgement. When all that are in the graves, the wicked, which is the rest of the dead, why then they will be gathered before His throne and He will judge them. Now that is called the second resurrection. But now if you’ll notice when we read here out of Revelations. Would you open your Bible for ____ and read it down there, I want this read about.., I think it’s the fifth and sixth verses.
Dr. Harris: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
Dr. Kinley: Now listen, but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: This is the first resurrection.
Dr. Kinley: Now this is the first resurrection. Read.
Dr. Harris: Blessed and holy is he.
Dr. Kinley: Blessed and holy is he read
Dr. Harris: that hath part in the first resurrection.
Dr. Kinley: that has part in the first resurrection. Read
Dr. Harris: on such
Dr. Kinley: on such
Dr. Harris: the second death has no power.
Dr. Kinley: Now it didn’t say the second resurrection, it says second death. Now they’re saying second resurrection, it’s saying second death. Now let me explain that real quick so you can see through it. The Messiah did not say that I am the Resurrections,
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: which means: He didn’t say I’m the first resurrection and the second resurrection. He didn’t say that. He said, I am the res.., 11th chapter of Saint John, I am the Resurrection. I’m the Life. I am.., not the truths, but the Truth. And He didn’t say, I am the Ways and Means Committee. No not that. I am The Way. Now He’d have to be a whole lot of ways, have to be a whole lotta truths. He’d have to be at least two resurrections and all, in order the way the people have got it. Now this confusion is all over the face of the earth. Now I want to point out. I want to pinpoint it too. I want you to look now at the 27th chapter of Matthew and the 51st and 2nd verse. Now I’m talking about the first resurrection. I want you to see what it’s all about. And I want you to see how that the world with their carnal minds, miscomprehensions, understanding, and then I want to say about this rest of the dead. Now I’ll be done in a few minutes, so don’t get excited. And let some of the brethren get up here and preach, but I do wanna get this thing before you. And the reason why I want to get it before you, is because we want you to be resurrected now. Don’t be depending on something way down yonder. And this thing of dying and going to the cemetery, or sprouting wings and flying off somewhere. We want you to know every bit of that is come from a carnal mind. And the Christendoom, the world over has failed to see it.
And it’s… another thing I wanna mention here, I’ve been thinking about it even when I went to Ohio and around the journey that I made. And that is this: God said that, said, ‘I will,’ said He was gonna do this, destroy the understanding of the prudent or the wise, and bring to nought their understanding of the prudent. Said He was gonna do that. Now He has done that. Now that’s what the trouble is right now. Now let me show that.
And before you read let me show this to you. I don’t see this chart up over here. This one right over here. I want you to look at it, all of you look. If you seen it before, look at it again. You know how dogmatic I am about a thing. Now you see all of this natural, even the physical creation and everything, all of the natural, even the physical body, the natural body in which He was manifested. All of these carnal ordinances, first tabernacle stood only in that. They didn’t have no ordinances at all, except carnal ordinance. Now when we say carnal we mean natural, we mean physical, we mean literal. Things you did with your hands, and things you tasted with your mouth, things that you ate and digested, and assimilated, and all of those various different kinda things. All those ordinances. Now with Children of Israel.., they are now nailed to the cross. Now listen, and then when you come out over on this side over here… Now that messed up the party. They haven’t seen no more of Him since. Haven’t seen Him, not a thing of Him since. Now that’s the time and the age in which you’re living right now. And that’s what we’re talking to you about now. And that’s what the people are saying about the first resurrection and the second resurrection. They are looking at it in a literal since. They’re looking at the cemetery or the tombstone ____ out someplace, and then they’re gonna go in there and dig up everybody in there. And then they’re gonna be raised up the righteous dead. And the wicked dead, they’re all out there together, and these dead people or these live people that’s walking around here dead, like mishaps. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Then they’ll all be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. Now that’s what’s being preached and taught as of now. And it’s universal. Now the real truth about it is hid from the wise and the prudent and it’s revealed unto babes. And what they’re talking about futuritively is as of now. You’re being resurrected now. The first resurrection, you remember that the Apostle Paul had some trouble with Alexander there, down there. He withstood the Apostle Paul, saying that the resurrection was already passed. When it’s going on now.
Now you must be resurrected psychologically and spiritually sitting in your seat right where you are. Now that’s what they call a Christian. You got in the church there and all that kinda ignorance and all. You’re giving the preacher your hand and you’re on your way to heaven, all that kinda thing. And that’s the way the thing is taught. Well, every bit of it is wrong. And now it’s all universal, it’s everywhere, all over the Christian world. They do not understand. And now for you to get some real food, you’re going to have to come to the place where it’s being taught. Now there’s no need to be in.., I might say hardheaded about it. You’re not gonna get some food down there in the hog pen, you’ve got to come up here where the sheep are being fed. Do you understand it clearly now?
There’s no need of you opposing. I’ve already done made that statement cause you’re gonna have to come to it anyhow. Like or no like. Believe or no believe. It’s not gonna do you no good. Although we do know that there are going to be many of people lost. Many of them lost. And then the suffering and all the eternal damnation. It’s almost inconceivable to mortal consciousness. As the Messiah said there in the 24th chapter of Matthew, there shall be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, you’re talking about a sorrow. Somebody’s all upset because, ‘I lost my mother.’ Somebody’s all upset because, ‘I lost my father.’ That’s crying and that’s.., then you’re tore all to pieces, just tore into spasm fits, and the undertakers even have to hold ‘em, and this smelling salts and all. But look, let me tell you something. This thing that we are talking about is far more grievous than anything that’s ever happened to you. In being lost. Now that, you don’t say that you’re being lost. As Peter put it, he said this, are you ready to.., real quick, ‘God is not slack concerning His promise.’ That’s His end of the bargain. ‘But is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.’ Now that’s God part. Now let me pinpoint that too.
I told you that you were already in the judgement; and what is going on as of now, is the long suffering of God. As John said in Revelations, He gave space or time for you to repent. In the 24th chapter of Matthew he said again that, about that space of time that was given for you to repent, and that unfaithful servant… When it looked like that He prolonged or delayed His coming. And he begin to smite. And as the people are standing around looking up in the sky, and talking about He delayed His coming, they don’t see that He is a quickening spirit. They don’t understand. That he and you are one. They don’t understand that. They miss out on that like they do everything else. They don’t see. Now when the cover is taken off the thing, when the cover is taken off ____ ____ ____. Then you will see that what I have told you is right. Let’s say the Revelation of the Messiah, to make myself real clean and clear, those who believe according to the scriptures, they will be instantaneously changed from a mortal to an immortal and it will be done by that spirit that’s within ‘em, within you.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: So if the spirit is not within you, then you’re a hopeless case. You will have something to weep and to wail and to moan about. Now God gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. So now in this 20th chapter of Revelations I want you to consider this as of now, not wait until way down yonder somewhere, for it to be called the rapture. I wanna make myself real clear by the rapture, will be going on and the dead people out there in the cemetery, they’ll be.., and the righteous, they’ll be caught up with the righteous living and meet the Messiah in the air, but the rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. Now I’m coming down to my text now. See how I’m getting down to it, and I want to show you the difference there. Now Matthew 27:52.
Reader: (VERY SOFTLY) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went in to the holy city and appeared unto many.
Dr. Kinley: Now you’ll have to do better than that, I can’t hardly hear up here myself. So you have to read it out loud. I want everybody to hear.
Reader: and came out of the graves after his resurrection.
Dr. Kinley: Now they came out of.., suppose you get the…
Dr. Harris: and behold the veil of the temple was rent in twain.
Dr. Kinley: Now behold the veil of the temple was rent in twain. Now when you say that, a lotta people don’t even know what the veil of the temple is because they hadn’t heard nothing about the temple, only just in a passive way, like the masons or oddfellows or something or other like that. But to have a profound knowledge of what the veil of the temple is. They don’t have a knowledge of it. Now that means as we shown you here the veil of the temple was rent in twain; that is to say that it was completely separated just like you rip it out between the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place, just ripped on out. Now if you get that far as of now. If you could see that the veil of the flesh is ripped out. Let me see if I can clarify that. Now this veil concealed the Most Holy Place. You couldn’t see into the Most Holy Place for the veil of the temple. The high priest was to go through there once every year on the 10th day of October. That was called the Day of Atonement. Once a year. But now the Messiah, listen, said the veil of the temple was rent in twain, that is, it was completely torn out. Now you remember He told them, He said, now when you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, look folks, listen, He said stand in the Holy Place. Now He has died and His blood and the life is running out of there. It was for the purification and the cleansing and the redemption of mankind. And then you would stand here. Now He died now, just like you see it on that chart there. But now He’s resurrected and so this veil of temple is just torn completely out. Now God abode in the.., between the wings of the cherubims in the Most Holy Place. Now what I’m telling you about is this: that you are now.., with the veil torn out, you are right in the presence. Now that’s what I’m telling you. Do you get it now? You know good and well if he took this chart down, he would see what was in there. Well it’s took down. Now God said that He’d dwell between the wings of the cherubim in the Most Holy Place. So now when I come up and say that you’re in the judgement as of now, somebody said, ‘now he don’t know what he’s talking about.’ Get the point? Now the veil of the temple is rent in twain after His resurrection. And many of the bodies of the s.., well you better read that.
Dr. Harris: and the earth did quake and rocks rent
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. The earth quaked and the rocks rent.
Dr. Harris: and the graves were opened
Dr. Kinley: and the graves were opened
Dr. Harris: and many bodies of the saints
Dr. Kinley: and many bodies of the saints
Dr. Harris: which slept arose
Dr. Kinley: which slept arose
Dr. Harris: and came out of the graves after his resurrection
Dr. Kinley: and came out of the graves. And what?
Dr. Harris: came out of the graves after his resurrection.
Dr. Kinley: after his resurrection
Dr. Harris: and went into the holy city
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Now He’s the first fruit of them that slept. He’s the first one that ever died and resurrected from the dead. That does not die any more (anymore?). Yes, Lazarus died and was resurrected. And not only that Elijah raised a widow’s son, and all like that. Adam, he died and was buried, but He is the first one that ever died that is resurrected and never dies no more. Eternal life. And Paul looks at it and said He brought the light, Life and Immortality through the power of Yahweh to raise Yahshua the Messiah from the dead. And now after His resurrection, after, not before. We always like to pinpoint these words and show you that He is the ____. Adam was the first, Adam back in the Garden of Eden, was the first one to commit a sin and die. Yes. He died before Abel ____ ____ ____. He died before Abel was born.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Yes he did. Died right there in the garden. And he walked around in a physical body 930 years all total. And then it was manifested afterward, taken that physical body to the grave. Do you understand, do you understand?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: I like to explain it so you can understand, so you can see where you are. Now then, after His resurrection, many bodies of the saints, they come out of the graves and then did what?
Dr. Harris: went into the holy city.
Dr. Kinley: went into the holy city. What is the name of this holy city?
Student Body: Jerusalem.
Dr. Kinley: Jerusalem. Alright. And what else?
Dr. Harris: and appeared unto many.
Dr. Kinley: and appeared unto many. Alright. Read, read.
Dr. Harris: Now when the centurion and they that were with him
Dr. Kinley: Now when the centurion and they that were with him
Dr. Harris: watching Jesus, saw the earthquake
Dr. Kinley: saw the earthquake.
Dr. Harris: and those things that were done.
Dr. Kinley: and those things that were done.
Dr. Harris: they feared greatly saying
Dr. Kinley: they feared greatly saying
Dr. Harris: truly this was the Son of God.
Dr. Kinley: Now they put Him to death, because He said He was the Son of God. Now I ought to say something about that. Now that’s what they put Him to death for, was because He said that He was the Son of God. Now I.., if you would allow me to.
Student Body: Go head doc.
Dr. Kinley: I’m trying all the time to get off of this floor, but I like to explain things as I go along. Now that’s what they put Him to death for was because He said that He was the Son of God.
Dr. Kinley: … that where I am… Now He’s the Son of God walking around in a physical body. The Son of God, He come from God. He is the Son of God and He said that He was the Son of God, for which they put Him to death. Now He said, ‘I’m going to prepare a place for you, now if I go, I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am…’ where He is standing right here, ‘there will ye be also.’ Is that what He said?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: If you don’t think that’s what He said, I’ll dig into it. Now look, here’s what I wanna tell you. Where He said He was the Son of God, died, resurrected. You are now, if you are in your right place, you understand now where He was then when He said that. Now that’s the place where He prepared for you. Behold what manner of love is this that the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God. It’s wonderful. Not a baptist. Not a saint. Boy, I told you, you won’t never act right. (TAPE BLANKS FOR A SECOND) Well that sounds alright. You are a son of Yahweh. You are the Messiah’s body walking around in the earth plane. All of us put together makes up the Messiah of Yahweh and Yahshua. You have within you Elohim, you call it the Holy Ghost, but it is Elohim, and it follows the entire course of your physical body, Dr. Harris will explain that to you sometime, which we speak of as the inner man, that makes you a son of God or a son of Yahweh. It’s wonderful people. Thank you Brother Williams. Now let’s get back, let’s get back. Now you just said there that many of the saints that slept in the dust of the earth rose and went on into Jerusalem. Is that what you said? Now here’s what I wanna show you in that and where the world and the carnal minded got it all mixed up. All messed up. What God has hid from the wise and prudent and revealed it unto babes. Oh yes. It’s true. I don’t wanna go to the 37th chapter of Ezekiel and talk about a whole lotta about them things, I don’t want to do that, but I do wanna make this real clear to you, that.., listen, from Adam back here, let me see if I can get close to it. This plate right here, Plate 15, where Adam come on down to the grave. Now listen. Listen. It was this man Adam that caused death. Yahshua the Messiah is the second Adam, I said the second Adam, rather than the first.
Student Body: Okay. Alright. Right. Now that’s …
Dr. Kinley: You notice how I put it. Now then, when He died and after His resurrection, all these all the way, all the way down, all the way down, down to the place He prepared. All of ‘em. You just read went into the holy city. That’s what you just read. You said they went into the holy city. They went into Jerusalem. Now let’s see whether this is true or not. Now we have to touch this, now I want you to get the 12th chapter of Hebrews. Now don’t forget that now. Don’t forget that now. They went into the Holy City, Jerusalem.
Dr. Harris: for ye are not come unto the mount.
Dr. Kinley: Now Paul is telling the Jews, he’s making it clear to ‘em. He said, you are not come to the literal or to the natural Mount Sinai. Point it out Freddy. That can ____, to the natural, to the physical. You’re not come to that. Now read.
Dr. Harris: and that burned with fire.
Dr. Kinley: and that burned with fire.
Dr. Harris: nor unto blackness.
Dr. Kinley: nor unto blackness.
Dr. Harris: and darkness and tempest.
Dr. Kinley: and darkness and tempest.
Dr. Harris: and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words
Dr. Kinley: and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of
Dr. Harris: of words.
Dr. Kinley: of words. Read on.
Dr. Harris: which they that heard entreated
Dr. Kinley: which voice they that heard.
Dr. Harris: that the word should not be spoken to them any more.
Dr. Kinley: that the word should not be spoken to them any more. Read on.
Dr. Harris: for they could not endure that which was commanded.
Dr. Kinley: for they could not endure that which is commanded.
Dr. Harris: and if so much as a beast, that touch the mount.
Dr. Kinley: and if so much as a beast, that touch the mount.
Dr. Harris: it shall be stoned or thrust through with a dart.
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. Read.
Dr. Harris: and so terrible was the sight that Moses said.
Dr. Kinley: and so terrible, oh so terrible was the sight that Moses stood there and trembled himself. We’re talking about something folks. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: I exceedingly feared and quaked.
Dr. Kinley: Now that was Moses who said that there. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: but ye are come unto Mount Sion.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, now this… we read a long way to get down to this part. Now you are not come to the mount that might be touched, but… But what?
Dr. Harris: but ye are come
Dr. Kinley: but now ye are not gonna come. And I keep trying to impress on you today, right now while you’re sitting here, not way off down yonder somewhere. I’m trying to tell you that you’re in the judgement now. As of.., ye are come, not gonna come. And the preacher gets up and says, ‘well now you come on and start on your way to join the church and start on your way now, way to heaven.’ And all of your people they died in this church and they went to heaven and all that kinda thing, and all that kind of stuff. Carnal mind just don’t penetrate spiritual things, but now the Jews back there are dead, after His resurrection many of the saints which slept in the dust of the earth rose and went on into the holy city Jerusalem. Old Jerusalem that’s over there now. And appeared to many. And that Jerusalem beneath was allegorical to Jerusalem above. Now then, but you’re not come to the mount that might be touch but ye are come, not gonna come after awhile, right now. Ye are come, he’s telling the Jews that. Ye are come. Come to what?
Dr. Harris: Mount Sion.
Dr. Kinley: Mount Sion. Where is Mount Sion? There you are. Through the River Jordan and on into Palestine. Mount Sion. Listen. Read.
Dr. Harris: and unto the city of the living God.
Dr. Kinley: and unto the city of the living God. Read.
Dr. Harris: the heavenly Jerusalem.
Dr. Kinley: Listen the heavenly. Now they rose from the dead and went into the earthly city. Jerusalem, not Rome, not Babylon, I said Jerusalem. Jerusalem beneath is allegorical to Jerusalem above. The natural shows the spiritual. And so that’s where they went into. They’re not gonna come, but already come. Alright. Read.
Dr. Harris: and to an innumerable company of angels.
Dr. Kinley: and an innumerable company of angels. Read.
Dr. Harris: to the general assembly.
Dr. Kinley: to the general assembly.
Dr. Harris: and church of the firstborn.
Dr. Kinley: and church of the firstborn. Watch your reading. Watch your reading. Alright read on.
Dr. Harris: which are written in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: which are written in heaven.
Dr. Harris: and to God.
Dr. Kinley: Listen here. I just got through telling you, I just got through telling you that. You’re come to all that there is. You don’t see it now with your physical eye, but it’s so anyhow. Anybody said, ‘I don’t believe that.’ Don’t.., still don’t make no difference. The veil of the temple of the flesh has been ripped out. And not only that, you have come to the spirit. Read that Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: and to the spirits of just men made perfect.
Dr. Kinley: And to the spirits of just men. Let me explain. All of these that down here that look forward, that looked forward to His coming and His death. Now they rose ____ ____ city, here He is ____ ____ ____, they went on in Jerusalem, and appeared to many, after His resurrection, into Jerusalem. Now then you have come to the.., not the earthly Jerusalem but the heavenly Jerusalem, and listen, to the spirits, not bodies, spirits of just men made perfect. Somebody stand around and looked around and said, ‘how many you got in your church? Just that few? No, you are mistaken about it. Gabriel, Michael and all of the angels belong to this. You get it? We’re not gonna start the thing and fly off to God. We are with Him now. We’re in the judgement now. We’ve come to all that there is to come to. I mean now. In the spirit. To the spirits of just men made perfect and to the general assembly. And that’s why Messiah said, many of them was with Abraham, go on in before you, Pharisees and scribes, enter into… He was there. Job looked at Him and he said this, he said, I know that my Redeemer liveth and that He shall stand in the earth at the latter day. And He sure did stand in the earth at the latter day, said, and though skin worms devour this body of mine yet in my flesh shall I see God. ____ ____ ____ ____ So now the sinews, God laid them sinews upon him, then when He penetrated that veil, took ‘em right on back up there, and now we’ve come to the spirits of all of those. And we now stand in the presence of God. We’re now in the judgement with the veil of the temple rent in twain. We’re not trying to play church or nothing like that, but we’re in the reality of every ____. Now we want to be conscious of that. We’ve already come to it, but it doesn’t appear. That’s where the trouble is. It doesn’t appear. Now listen. And then I’ll be through. I hope. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Let me tell you about this resurrection day. Now in the 20th chapter of Revelations. It said, now they lived and reign. You preach, we all preach, listen folks. Listen at me. Peter said in the third chapter of the second epistle of Peter. Are you listening? Are you sure you’re listening? Real sure? And then the Apostle Paul confirms the statement by saying the same identical thing, that God is highly exalted above all principalities and powers, not only in this world but in that which is to come. Listen. Listen now at me. They said that… I like to demonstrate. He said, He had set Him down at the right hand. We’re coming from alpha, going to omega. And now He’s.., went in the grave, He’s come out. So now He’s at the right hand and sitting down upon the throne. Now if He’s setting upon the throne, what I’m trying to get you to see? Somebody say talking about the ____, the only difference and all this kinda thing, he’s talking about his … (ONE SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL REEL RECORDING ENDED AND CONTINUED ON THE NEXT SIDE)
Dr. Kinley: It’s wonderful. ____ ____ ____ ____. ‘Jesus is coming.’ I beg your pardon He is not coming. We’re after the truth here. You say that Christ in you is the hope of glory. You say that the Holy Ghost was poured out on the Day of Pentecost. You say that we have received the spirit. That’s what you say. So then if we have received the spirit, why then it’s in you now. Oh, it’s wonderful. That permeates our whole Bible.., being. And then I’d like to say this to you too. You don’t have to be placed on no probationary ____ to see how you’re doing. I’m gonna tell you how you’re doing. You ain’t gonna do right. You haven’t got the Holy Spirit in you, you can talk like it all you want, but you’re not gonna do right. You can put your finger on.., read anything in the Bible you want to. Somebody said, ‘well over here we’re preaching holiness.’ Paul said that to the Hebrews, follow peace and holiness with all men without which no man shall see the Lord. Said, ‘brother, we’re preaching holiness here.’ Now they blow the whole thing out of its true context. Blew the whole thing out of its context. Now here’s how.., want me to tell you how the new ____ ____ ____. Now Paul is telling the Jews. Now you Jews you follow peace since the Holy Spirit was given to you first. Since you were to go the Gentiles and preach to the Gentiles Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah. Well what’s the Gentiles doing? They’re out there, instead of worshipping Yahweh, they’re worshipping Bel, Baal, and Moloch. Idols is what I’m talking about. So now he’s telling them this. I told you what they were doing. Now he’s telling the Jews, since you’ve got the Holy Spirit and he’s sent to the Gentiles, said, now you go out there and you follow peace with all of ‘em, and holiness without which.., since you have it, they won’t see it without you preaching it to ‘em. Why? Because you been engaged in worshipping idols. But the ignoramus preacher, they get up and say, ‘well look.’ He says, ‘well…’ He always puts a lotta things back on the shelf that don’t belong there. Then he say that Jesus said, ‘ye are the lights of the world.’ Didn’t say no such a thing. The Jew was the light of the world. They say he said, ‘well, you take and you eat.’ Talking about the communion. He didn’t say no such a thing for you to take and eat nothing. Told you not to. When you’re blind and you can’t see. Said, ‘well Jesus was setting up a way for us to follow.’ Well if that’s the case then, why weren’t you circumcised? Why when you.., before you were baptized, why did you go on out there and get baptized, if He’s setting up a way, why don’t you go down to the cross and get killed? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Then when we turned around and we did this. We said, ‘Jesus keep me near the cross.’ Get as far away from that as you possible can get. Get on into heaven. That’s how far away from it you need to be. Alright. Now read that.
Dr. Harris: and they lived and reigned with him a thousand years.
Dr. Kinley: and they. Better read the whole thing there doc.
Dr. Harris: and I saw a throne.
Dr. Kinley: and I saw a throne.
Dr. Harris: and they sat upon it.
Dr. Kinley: and they sat upon it. Now you see the 12 apostles of the Lamb with the others that were under the Dispensation of the Law. 12 and 12 are 24. The 12 apostles. He Himself sat down on the throne. And now John says, he saw thrones and they that sat upon… The apostles along with those 12 heads of the other tribes which makes 24. Said, I saw ‘em, I saw the throne. Alright read.
Dr. Harris: and judgement was given unto them
Dr. Kinley: and judgement was given unto them. Now look and listen. Are you listening? Sure? Well now, them individuals, in that case the apostles, judgement was given unto them.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: And they preached the gospel and that judged every man. From the Day of Pentecost on down, mark that day, the sixth day of June, AD 33 about 9 o’clock in the morning. And they preached. From that time on down judgement was given. And Peter puts it this way, if the judgement, if the judgement first begins at the house of God, or the house of the Jews. If judgement first, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel. So I’ll tell you now that whether you’re conscience of it or not conscience of it, you’re in the judgement as of now. The devil he tells you about all.., you’ll get straighten out before you get down yonder to the judgement. They’re not realizing that it’s going on now. Alright, read Dr. Harris, judgement was given unto them.
Dr. Harris: I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for a witness.
Dr. Kinley: Then I saw the souls of them. Listen, and I saw the souls of them, not bodies. This man is in the spirit. I saw the souls of them that were beheaded. Now look, where do you see the souls of them that were beheaded? Purgatory? No. Right here. Right here under the altar. I saw the souls under the altar, which were beheaded for a witness. Then what else?
Dr. Harris: and which had not worshipped the beast.
Dr. Kinley: which had not worshipped the beast.
Dr. Harris: neither his image.
Dr. Kinley: neither his image. Now we’ll tell you about the beast later on. I don’t have time. Neither his image.
Reader: neither had received his mark upon their foreheads.
Dr. Kinley: neither had received his mark in their forehead.
Dr. Harris: or in their hands.
Dr. Kinley: or in their hands.
Dr. Harris: and they lived and reign with Christ a thousand years.
Dr. Kinley: and they lived and reign with him a thousand years. Let me summarize that for you. Real quick in a few words listen. Catch the summary now. All of these, all of them here, all of these that looked forward, shut up unto faith back there and looked forward to Him coming, and believed in Him on the Day of Pentecost. All of them clear on down to here that ____ ____; and here is where they come to the spirits of just men, the Day of Pentecost, and judgement was given even upon Israel, their ____, and their inner man, not the outer man. He saw the souls of them which were beheaded. Now read on Dr. Harris.
Dr. Harris: but the rest of the dead
Dr. Kinley: but the rest of the dead. Now listen, listen, the rest of the dead. Now you talked about here these that were up to here. These down in here, that covered the rest of us that live here, and that would come to, I mean the apostles. But now the rest of the dead at this time, when He raised from the dead, many of ‘em went into Jerusalem, to make it real clean there. Here it is, it’s clean. Not the apostles, not them that were living. No, not a soul living, not a one, not the first one, apostles and all, Peter, James, John, and all the rest of ‘em were dead at that time because they had not received of the Holy Ghost. They were dead. But these that rose after His resurrection and went on into Jerusalem. But the rest of the dead lived not again until after this ____. But the rest of the dead were those, come from Pentecost on down were being resurrected, were being resurrected and that judgement is still going on, to the spirits of just men ____ ____, that was what the rest of the dead. These were they that were back down there which were, which was resurrected here again, and then the apostles, we all come to this and on down through this. Now that ____ is the first resurrection. On such, on such. That the first death, it’s the second death that hath no power. Not the second resurrection. The second death. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power. Now did I make that clean?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: All of them was figured in the first resurrection. All. The whole thing all the way down. Blessed ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. We have part in the first resurrection and the second resurrection. I wanna make it clear because you don’t have no… He said He was the Resurrection. You don’t have but one Messiah. You can’t have two messiahs. Now if you can manage some kinda way to get a couple of messiahs, you can have a couple of resurrections. But if you can’t manage that, why then that’s out. He is the, The Resurrection. He is.., and the second death, all of the living, everywhere all the way through, clear on through. That’s what we’re doing here now is preaching.
David said many in the congregation that were not sanctified. Now if you set here this morning. and you haven’t had a part, that you haven’t been resurrected from the dead then this sermon is to you. Get the point? It’s to you cause you can have a part in the first resurrection. Then instead of you not having any part of the second death, going to the Lake… I have you know too, while I’m on that score, you’re already in the Lake. Said, ‘I don’t feel no burning.’ No. Yes you do. You feel some burning. You got that old guilty conscience. It’s burning too. And somebody said, ‘well now, look here,’ said, ‘I don’t wanna be like Williams and Mitch here. When I go to get in the church,’ said, ‘I’m not gonna live the life.’ Just burning. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Just a burning. Yes indeed. lt’s burning. Somebody said, ‘well look, I know what to.., it’s like this you know, when I do get in the church, I wanna live the life.’ All that old ignorance. You ain’t gonna do that. You had 4000 years before to live something else. And nobody down there lived nothing. You can’t make it. It takes the Spirit in you. It you could make it and if you could live it, He died in vain.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Somebody’s always telling you, the devil said, ‘now look, you got to clean up.’ Then you throw away a brown mule chewing tobacco, get the whisky bottles out of your pocket, and all them different.., he can’t see nothing over something literal, something natural. He said, ‘now that’s a mortal life, you got to clean up before you come to present yourself to God.’ Now that’s what he, that’s what he says. Now listen, if you could clean up, as Isaiah said, wash and make you clean. Remember when Jesus washed the disciples feet as a washing of regeneration. Now if you could clean up you got a whole lot of washing to do. Washing of regeneration. Now if you could clean up, why then He just died in vain. And then not only that. If you gonna do all of this, why you didn’t need Him at all.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: The devil’s got everything all twisted around. And he said, ‘now you got to put your whiskey bottle down.’ That’s something literal and natural you can see. He said, ‘now taste, or touch not, taste not.’ Paul, he’s talking about ____ ____ that. He’s talking.., just the very thing that he’s talking about not to touch and not to taste, it’s the very thing they take, take ____ ____. ____ ____ ____ Now don’t you start nothing with me, don’t, don’t start nothing with me because if you do… 35 years of this warfare, I’ve lived that. I’ve carried it from coast to coast and every which a way. Now the taste you want here, as Paul put it and the thing that you want to get into is to.., it said, now let us.., therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on into perfection, not laying again the foundation for repentance from dead works. That’s all dead. For it’s impossible for those, are you listening, for it’s impossible for those who have tasted, have tasted. Tasted. It wasn’t passed around on no plate either. Have tasted of the good Word of God and listen and to powers, great powers, if they fall away, listen, ____ ____ ____ ____. ____ ____. Yes, indeed. So now if you are in that group, you’re in that group wherein there is eternal life. It’s obtainable. It’s obtainable now. And it won’t be no probationary period. You won’t be placed on no probation, but you will be translated, as the Apostle Paul puts it, into the Kingdom, into the kingdom of His dear Son. When? Now, ____ ____ back there. Where you have come to the general assembly. You have come to that. When? Now. Where? In the heavenly Jerusalem. Oh, it’s truthfully wonderful. Now you’re talking about happiness, sure enough happiness, true happiness. You don’t have to try to put on either. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And say, ‘well…’ (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) ‘I’m trying all I know how.’ You don’t have to be bothered with that. You don’t have to be trying all that hard with heavy burden and all pounding down on you. And then you have.., trying to give a tenth, and all that different kinda thing. That’s a lotta foolishness, a lotta ____ that you’re doing out there in these… I said ____ ____ ____.
Now I guess I’ve said enough. You know now I’m back, don’t you? (STUDENT BODY AND DR. KINLEY LAUGH) Yes indeed you know now, and I’m really back. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And let me, let me say this too, while I was absent in bodily presence. I told you that I was present in spirit. So now I’m present both ways. I’m present both ways. And I hope and trust that those of you that didn’t understand the will of the Lord would illuminate your understanding and rescue you from bondage. Let me put it in words you can understand. Rescue you from ecclesiastical bondage, not political, but ecclesiastical bondage. The devil’s gambling for your soul. Trying to get you in his holds, ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. The cry, this great cry, come out of her my people. Confusion. Babylon. Come out of her my people that you be not partaker of her sins and receive of her plagues. They can’t see nothing, only the natural. And they’re blaming it all on Him. Say, ‘He said for us to do this,’ and He said for us to do that. Said, ‘He was setting an example for us.’ Um um. It’s not that. Heaven was searched, the earth was searched, no man was worthy, found worthy to open the book and to loose the seal. None of the patriarchs, Gabriel and Michael and none of the arch angels. I, I’ll be preaching here shortly. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You come on down, come on down. ____ took the book out of the right hand of Him that sitteth on the throne. And he opened the seals there. Loosed the seals; that is to say, He did all of the works. A plan of redemption was already, already. And then this going to heaven business. I oughta tell you something about that. I ought too.
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We are already in heaven. Paul said, you hath He quickened who were dead in trespasses and sin. And he said, you hath He quickened to raise us up and sit us together in heavenly places in Yahshua the Messiah. But now, somebody wants to fly… Hold it. Wait a minute. Don’t you see that Yahweh is everywhere. If you take the wings and fly off even farther than the astronauts have been able to penetrate, He’s there. And if you make your bed in hell, He’s there. Whither shall you go or flee from the presence of God? God is everywhere. ____ the Holy Spirit and He seeks such. Listen, He seeks such to worship Him in the spirit and in truth. Then if that’s the case He has abolished and nailed the natural things to the cross that we might get into the spiritual things. And that’s what He’s seeking you to do. That’s what the great problem is universally so. And there’s some things that the devil is using to deceive and to fool the people with. And deception is universal. And where sin does abound, grace does much more abound. It’s by the grace of God through faith that you’re saved. It is not by works of righteousness which we have done or will do. It is not that. Listen. Faith comes by hearing and that by the Word of the Lord. Unless we could show you how these things work and make some sense, then you’d have some confidence in it, but if we can’t show you how it works, so that you can have some confidence and so you can see the reality of the thing, you can’t have no faith in it.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: You take almost all religion that you see in the world today. They go to print something about Noah’s ark, they’re liable to have a whole lotta windows and doors, ____ the doors in it and everything. And so far as the stories in it. They don’t see nothing about it. The Roman Catholic Church says that’s not universal, it’s local. They don’t know nothing about it. You must come down here and hear something taught. Why was there but one door in Noah’s ark? Why wasn’t there but one light in the ark? Why was it three stories? When God made the universe, with it’s molecular structure of the universe, we’re taught in these modern ages about nuclear research and atomic research.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Everybody has studied it. And 420 years before the birth of the Messiah, there was one that suspicioned the existence of the atoms, but we never got into the research until here lately. And then when we got into that, and got down to ultra microscopic particle of matter, listen at me, we found there, that the atom is a proton, a neutron, and electron. The great big question mark is why is it that way? It’s because.., I’ll talk so you can understand, it’s because the Godhead Itself is threefold, and that is a manifestation of the invisible in the visible. That’s why the ark had to be, have three stories. And that’s why the sanctuary had to have three stories. That’s why the temple had to have… It isn’t just something to talk about. You are pneuma, psyche, and soma; or soul, body, and spirit. You are made in the likeness and image of God. All of those things, everything in the universe. David got so elated about it, and one time he said, everything in His temple should sing glory to God.
Student Body: Okay.
Dr. Kinley: He said I never understood the thing until He went into the sanctuary. Yes indeed. I, I. Folks, I, I, I been filled up every since 1931. And I never been able to become totally unnoticeable. Night and day, loaded day and night. Anytime you touch me, ____ the well ____, I’m ready to preach ____ ____ ____. I don’t have to be prodded or poked. I don’t have to be pushed and pulled or nothing like that. I live under the influence of God. If you’ll permit me to say so, I realize who my inner self is and I live with God. And I know you know that. Thank you.
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