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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley

audio cassette recording received from David Rosen and Irene Young

1 90 minute audio cassette


Catalog #: 75.0214


Transcribed by:  Carla Taylor, Kevin Buckles, and Nicole Buckles

first proofreading:  Carla Taylor and Linda Joyner

second proofreading:  Michael Rothstein

third proofreading:  Gerry Rothstein


fourth proofreading:  International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee:  1997



1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.

2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded, or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.

3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley, pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you see, you se(see?) what I mean, isn’t that right, understand, you understand, do you understand).

4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable.

5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber.


Moderator:  … the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.

Dr. Kinley:  I don’t intend to stay up here long, but I do wanna make some statements here that possibly will help somebody.  Now we’ve tried religiously for a couple of weeks to make you aware of the fact, and we’ve said it repeatedly and over and over and over and over, we have even brought books down, read it to you out of the books that there are many of ‘em, many people think that a knowledge of Yahweh and His purpose and plan was handed down from one to the other.  That is not so.  And they say too that His name was known way back there.  That is not so.  And it has been said to me that it was also in the scriptures that somebody else knows, before it was revealed to Moses, the title Elohim.  And I wanna tell you flat footedly that is not so.  Said it was in the scriptures before it was revealed to Moses, ____ that somebody knows.  Now the reason why I’m bringing this up is to make you aware of the fact that Yahweh chose a man in the beginning of His purpose.  And that man is Moses.  And I stood here flat footed and told you.  Now if you say because you read back in Genesis somewhere the name Yahweh and Elohim, if you read that back there, which that is, that is the way it is, it’s in there like that.  Now from that, if the assumption is drawn that it was in the scriptures before Moses.  I beg your pardon, Moses wrote the scriptures.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  He’s the man that wrote it, so it can’t be in there before he wrote it.  Now Doctor Mixon set right here the other night and read that out of the book, that those people, aren’t the.., what’s the name of the book?

Student Body:  Scofield Bible.

Dr. Kinley:  Scofield Bible, supposed to be a teacher’s Bible.  No, that’s not the way that it is.  Now listen folks, Enoch, the seventh from Adam, preached and prophesied.  Noah prophesied and told the people, but he didn’t know His name.  And he didn’t, he didn’t say anything about Yahweh Elohim.  Now look here.  Get Exodus 6:3.  Now I want you to see what you’re doing when you say a thing like that.  Not Exodus 6:3.  The third chapter of Exodus.  No, I’ll take 6:3 first, cause I believe it’s a bit clearer there.

Dr. Harris:  And I appeared unto Abraham

Dr. Kinley:  Now listen, now this is Yahweh talking, not Moses.  He said, now I, now listen, remember now this is Yahweh talking, not Moses, not Enoch, not anyone else but just Yahweh Himself.  Clear.  And when He appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to Adam, created Adam and ever.., He was Yahweh, that was His name then, but they didn’t know that.  I’m just making myself, I wanna make myself clear as I go.  They didn’t know nothing about it.  And He said I appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  Now Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was after the flood.  Now that means this:  that these people back here, they didn’t know anything about it.  Now it was Yahweh Himself that is telling.., now look here, who you gonna believe?  Don’t you have sense enough to see that if it’s Yahweh Himself saying something, whom you say is Yahweh, whom you say you believe in.  And Yahweh said they did not know Him by His name.  Then for you to go scratching around in the Book trying to find out something in the scriptures, to refute that and say that he did know, then you.., what you’re doing, you’re disputing Yahweh.  And you don’t believe what’s in the Book.  You absolutely misunderstand, you just don’t know what it’s all about.  Did I make that clear?

Now listen, He was Yahweh Elohim when He created the heavens and the earth, that was Him.  When He created the angelic host, that was Him, and His name was Yahweh, and Elohim was His title at that time, but I’m telling you they didn’t know it.  How about that?  What you try to do is get some understanding about things.  Alright.  Now we’ve got that clear, haven’t we?

Now I wanna speak about these ensigns again, one more time.  And do you remember that Yahshua the Messiah told John the Baptist that He come to fulfill.  And John permitted Him to be baptized in the river; in other words, John baptized Him.  Then He went straightway up out of there.  Is that what the Book says?  Now listen, I won’t have time to do a whole lotta reading now, so I’m just gonna skip a lotta reading and just try to tell you a story straight so you can understand.  How about that?  And when I think it’s necessary for you to read, I’ll point it out in the scriptures.  How about that?

Now my point is, my thought is this:  John went straightway, Yahshua went straightway into the wilderness.  And after He.., well, let’s put it this way first.  When John baptized Him in the River Jordan, now a lotta time we leave this out, you just shouldn’t do that, a cloud overshadowed Him.  Now if it was a cloud back here, put.., don’t you see it’s up here on this chart?  These things have got to correlate.  And a voice come from that cloud, said, this is My beloved Son.  That voice got to.., something has to be said there in order for it to be fulfilled.  Now that’s the thing that I try my best to, to drill home to you because if you miss that, then you cannot actually discern the ever presence of Yahweh.  You just think that thing just happening, this way and that way and the other way, you don’t know nothing about the purpose.  Don’t realize a thing about it.

Now John went straightway in the wilderness, and He entered into His ministry.  Is that almost right?  Now when the children of Israel come through here, they went in the wilderness.  Now they have got this material out of Egypt down here.  They spoiled the Egyptians and got the gold and the silver and the what not that you read over there in the 25th chapter of Exodus about.  And Yahweh told Moses to tell them when he was up there in the mountain to take of this substance and build Him a tabernacle or build Him a place.  Is that almost right?  Now I wanna show you something, something you oughta know by this time.  Now then He went along, entered into His ministry, He called His disciples.  And then after He called His disciples, He begin to perform some miracles.  Did you remember about Cana of Galilee and so forth and so on.  And His fame spread out every which a way.  Now I’m talking about Him entering into His ministry.

Now that stuff that they took to make that tabernacle out of was symbolical of His body.  Now then, here’s what I wanted to show you.  At that time when Moses crossed over here, now His tent was on the backside of the mountain, Mount Sinai.  I’m talking about Joshua so you’ll know, so you can find Him in the Book and so you’ll know what I’m talking about, so you’ll understand, cause His name is Yah.., Yahoshua.  Now His tent was on the backside of the mountain back here.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  He was not dwelling in the tents with them.

Student Body:  Alright.  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And anytime Moses wanted to communicate with Him or it was necessary for him communicating, he’d come over here.  Now a lotta people ain’t paid no attention to that.  So now since He’s dwelling back here on the backside of the mountain, when He revealed it to Moses, the tabernacle up here in the mountain, He told Him to take of this material and build Him a tabernacle.  For what purpose?  That He may, I don’t want you to forget that, I want you to definitely understand that, and I want you to know that He was with them out there in the wilderness every step of the way.  From Egypt on to Canaan’s or Promised Land, He was with them.  I want you to know that.  I want you to be conscious of it.  Now He told them to take vessels, uh the substance and build Him this tabernacle that He might dwell, that He might dwell.  I said dwell.  You can just read a thing, and just keep right on going and pay no attention and misunderstand the whole thing and miss the whole show.  Now if He had been dwelling among them here, then He wouldn’t have been over here.

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Now when you come to the tent of the tabernacle, this was a figure of His body.  Now Yahweh was dwelling in Him when He was baptized in the River Jordan and went on up out of that water and straightway into the wilderness.  And now they asked Him…  John 1:30, well just take 35.  Now I’m trying, I’m trying to show you something.  I’m talking about a fulfillment, and I’m talking about a dwelling place.  Okay.  Read.

Edward Mixon:  John 1:38.

Dr. Kinley:  John 1:38.

Edward Mixon:  Then Yahshua turned

Dr. Kinley:  Now wait minute, go back over and get, get another verse.

Edward Mixon:  35.  Again the next day after John stood and two of his disciples, and looking upon Yahshua

Dr. Kinley:  And looking upon Yahshua

Edward Mixon:  As He walked

Dr. Kinley:  As He walked

Edward Mixon:  He said, Behold the Lamb of Yahweh

Dr. Kinley:  He said, Behold the Lamb of Yahweh

Edward Mixon:  And the two disciples heard him speak

Dr. Kinley:  And the two disciples heard him speak

Edward Mixon:  And they

Dr. Kinley:  Wait a minute.  Two disciples heard Him speak.  Come here Freddy.  The board.  Get my ensigns.  Turn back around yourself, put ‘em back.  Alright.  I wanna know what each one of them things stand for.  Write the names down on the side of the board other there.  Just write what it is, a lamb or a ox or a cow or a mule or what ever it is.  Now put one, two, three, four down.  Now where is it over here around the tabernacle.  Now there you have it.  Now, now, now tell me what you got Freddy.

Fred Allen, Jr.:  You get the ensigns around about the tabernacle.  And the west.., to the east we have the lion with an L.  In the north you have the E for an eagle.  And the west you have the ox.  And on the south side you have a man.

Dr. Kinley:  Man.

Fred Allen, Jr.:  Now when you write these out correctly.  Take the first letter of each one of the ensigns:  E, L for lion, O for ox, and the man, that’s HIM.  ELOHIM.

Dr. Kinley:  Now listen, you have that name in your forehead, and right in that same body you have the title.

Student Body:  Alright,

Dr. Kinley:  And down in the abdominal you have another name.  That’s Him manifested in the flesh.  Now this body that you have on you, is a tabernacle or it is a temple.  Now maybe you better read that so somebody may not be, may not know that.  First Corinthians 6:19 and 20.  Freddy you can have a chair if you want to.  We might need you again.  I’m rehearsing again.

Now look folks, on this chart, we can’t, now we just can’t draw all these pictures out on these charts.  We’d like to, but we just can’t do it.  Now then, there was three tribes that was on this side, three tribes in front of ‘em, three tribes on the side, and three tribes in the back.  And each one of those tribes had a ensign or a banner.  And on their banners was one of these figures:  an eagle, a lion, ox, and a man; as it is here, around this tabernacle.

Now He told Moses to build this tabernacle that He might dwell among then (them?), which means that He has to move, from this out or.., out of this tent over here, into this one over here; which means that your body is the temple, and that’s a move into you.  I don’t care what Jehovah Witness said about it, if He said it’s got to be, it’s got that.  Now what you are talking about here, Him building the tabernacle and Him dwelling there.  Now when Moses and them come through here after being baptized in the cloud and in the sea, and get out here.  And then he’s called up here in the mountain and sees this vision and so forth and so on.  I have time to cut it up short.  But I want to get to the fundamentals of what I’m talking about, the basics.  Now then all that’s got to be fulfilled.  So then He’d have to go to John then ____; in other words in order to fulfill water baptism He’s got to go to John to be baptized, and then the voice has got to come from the cloud and He said, this is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.  Is that almost right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That voice come from the cloud.  Now we got a, we got a voice coming from this cloud up here, too.  And now here He is, He’s baptized, fulfilling now.  So now you got to have the tabernacle right back out there in the wilderness with John I’m talking about.  Oh boy.  How about that?  Do you see what I mean?  Are you kinda half way beginning to understand what I’m talking about?  Okay.  Then there He is, He’s walking out there.  Now go back and read what you just read.

Edward Mixon:  John 1:35.

Dr. Kinley:  John 1:35.

Edward Mixon:  And the next day.

Dr. Kinley:  And the next day

Edward Mixon:  After John stood

Dr. Kinley:  And after John, the next day after that, John stood.

Edward Mixon:  And two of his disciples

Dr. Kinley:  And two of John’s disciples

Edward Mixon:  And looking upon Yahshua

Dr. Kinley:  And looking upon Yahshua

Edward Mixon:  As He walked

Dr. Kinley:  As He walked

Edward Mixon:  He saith

Dr. Kinley:  He saith

Edward Mixon:  Behold the Lamb of Yahweh

Dr. Kinley:  Behold the Lamb of Yahweh

Edward Mixon:  And the two disciples heard Him speak

Dr. Kinley:  And the two disciples heard Him speak

Edward Mixon:  And they followed Him.

Dr. Kinley:  And they followed Him.  Right?  Then what?

Edward Mixon:  Then Yahshua turned.

Dr. Kinley:  Then Yahshua turned.

Edward Mixon:  And saw them following

Dr. Kinley:  And turned and saw them following

Edward Mixon:  And said unto them

Dr. Kinley:  And said unto them

Edward Mixon:  What seeketh ye?

Dr. Kinley:  What seeketh ye?  What are you looking for?  How about that?  When you come down here, what was you looking for?  Alright, read.

Edward Mixon:  They said unto Him

Dr. Kinley:  They said unto Him

Edward Mixon:  Rabbi

Dr. Kinley:  Rabbi

Edward Mixon:  Where dwelleth thou?

Dr. Kinley:  Where do you dwell?  Where do you dwell, Rabbi?  Then what did He say?

Edward Mixon:  He said unto them

Dr. Kinley:  He said unto them

Edward Mixon:  Come and see

Dr. Kinley:  Come on and see.  If you wanna know where I live, come and see, or where I dwell at.  Now do you get the connection between being here and dwelling in you?  Building the tabernacle so He can dwell in?  Did you get that?  And this is built so, the tabernacle I’m talking about, so that they might, so that He might dwell among them.  Did you get that?  Sixth chapter of Revelations.  Have to cut it up short.  I don’t have time to go into all of it.  Just start in the first verse.

Edward Mixon:  And I saw with the Lamb

Dr. Kinley:  And I saw

Edward Mixon:  And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals

Dr. Kinley:  He saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals

Edward Mixon:  And I heard

Dr. Kinley:  That was the first one.  And then he heard something

Edward Mixon:  As it was the noise of thunder

Dr. Kinley:  As it was the noise of thunder

Edward Mixon:  One of the four living creatures

Dr. Kinley:  There’s four.  What was the, four, what are the four living creatures, that’s one of them beasts.

Edward Mixon:  Said

Dr. Kinley:  Said

Edward Mixon:  Come and see.

Dr. Kinley:  How about that? Do you see that now?  Now what we’re talking about…  John is seeing this vision in heaven.  He’s caught up into heaven. He’s seeing these four living creatures that’s around the throne.  And if they.., we often try our best to tell you this:  that whatever is in the invisible, it’s just nothing else but a photostatic copy right down in the earth.  Now that’s what we try our best to tell you.  So those four living creatures or those four beasts that was gathered around the throne, one of ‘em said, ‘come and see.’  When the Lamb opened one of the seals, said, ‘come and see.’  How about that?  Now listen, there wasn’t nobody able to open that seal, but the Lamb.  Said, heaven was searched, earth was searched and there wasn’t none there able to…  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Oh boy.  Now I could go on down here in the fourth chapter and talk about them, them creatures…  I could do that, but I just don’t wanna, I just don’t wanna take up the time to do that.  But I just want, I’m just trying to wise you up to something.  Now then here He goes, starting out went to the feast of Cana of Galilee.  And there He was out there with His mother and them to the marriage feast too.  And so they drank up all of the wine that they had.  So then they went to Him or His mother and ‘em and to Him and said to Him about everything was.., they didn’t have no more.  So then they got after Him.  And His mother said, now whatever He says to you, you do that.  I wish we could learn that. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) It would be real nice if we could learn that, wouldn’t it?  Whatsoever He saith unto you.  So He thought about the, the crocks and fill ‘em with water, and turned the water into wine.  And they said that the, that last that that He made was better than that that they had at the first.  The second coming is always better than the first. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Ain’t that right?  It sure is.  Alright.  Now then, just to show you now, so I’m giving you something to think about; just giving you something to think about, so that you can see that everything He said and every gesture made, often times you don’t recognize it; you’re just reading, you don’t recognize it until somebody tells you something about it.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right?

Dr. Kinley:  Then, then you never heard it before.  Well when Reverend was busting down through here and there, and talking about moaning and groaning and all, he didn’t he ain’t heard a thing, don’t know nothing about what he’s talking about.  Now Yahweh was in that tabernacle in the wilderness, out there and with the Children of Israel.  He was in that tent.  They brought that tent up from down here, that tent that they had on the back side of the mount.  And now what I’m getting after is these four beasts, those, those living creatures.  And I was duplicating it when He come up out of here, and Yahweh was dwelling within Him.

And so also.., now don’t mess this one up, don’t mess this one up.  They had a mix up up there, so far as the Pharisees and the Scribes was concerned.  They went to John, and questioned John.  Now, I want you to get this one straight now.  John was born with the Holy Spirit right from his mother’s womb.  Yahshua the Messiah was born afterwards.  He was the personification of the Holy Spirit.  So now they got John and Yahshua mixed up; in other words, don’t mix this tent up, (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) don’t mix this one up with this one.  Do you follow now?  Don’t mix ‘em up.  They’re both there, Moses was there, too, but just don’t mix ‘em up.  Even though John did have the Holy Spirit, and was born with it.  He was preferred before.  And that tabernacle that He had on there, they didn’t build it.  Oh there’s a lotta things I’d like to tell you about that, just an awful lotta things.  I just don’t have time.  And I don’t wanna get all stretched out and tell you something and you don’t understand half of what I’m talking about because I’m trying to cover a lotta ground.  I don’t like to do that, but often times we do do that, those things.  But now, do you see what, did you understand what I just said?

Now the sixth chapter of Exodus and the third verse.  Now we heard, we heard what Yahweh said to Moses.  He said, Yahweh said this.  Now I want you to see what I’m talking about.  Yahweh said, I am the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  Now what I’m telling you now, is this:  Yahweh said that.  Moses got acquainted with Yahweh Elohim, and it was Yahweh Elohim that told Moses what you’re fixing to read here in the sixth chapter and the third verse.  Read.

Edward Mixon:  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob as El Shaddai

Dr. Kinley:  As El Shaddai

Edward Mixon:  But by My name Yahweh, was I not known to them.

Dr. Kinley:  But by My name Yahweh, I was not known.  Now, El Shaddai.  El Shaddai.  And He says to Moses, now He’s the one that’s telling Moses about it.  He didn’t tell him, He didn’t tell Moses that they knew Him by the name Elohim or the title Elohim.  He didn’t say that.  He never said that.  He said I.., they didn’t know, He appeared as…  El Shaddai too is a title, Elohim is a title.  And now listen here, that’s not the only title, Elohim and El Shaddai.  Those are not the only titles that He has.  He has another one, Yahweh our Righteousness, that is a title too.  He has many titles.  He’s the Lily of the Valley, the Rose of Sharon, the Bright and Morning star. (PAUSE IN TAPE) He’s everything there is and all of it’s a type and a shadow, including you.

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Now everybody’s in this, but that’s Him.  Now we’re the offsprings of Him.  Now if we’re the offsprings and from Him, then we’ve got to look like Him, in shape and form.  Now then that’s why you have to be so awful careful is because…  Now the devil is one of the greatest extemporaneous orators you ever heard in your life.  That boy’s a master of language.  And his genufluctuations and his gestures, his use of words and language.  Yahweh made him like that.  That means this:  that you got to know Yahweh when see Him and to know the difference between Him and the devil.  That’s what I’m trying to talk about.  Now that’s what I’m trying to talk about.  Do you understand?  Alright.  They knew Him by El Shaddai.  Read.  Which means Almighty Provider.

Edward Mixon:  Right.  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob as El Shaddai, but by My name Yahweh

Dr. Kinley:  But by My name Yahweh

Edward Mixon:  Was I not known to them.

Dr. Kinley:  Now was not known to them.  Now listen folks, now listen.  Pay attention this trip.  Now this is Yahweh talking to Moses.  Now when Moses begins to write the Genesis, then Moses uses the name Elohim, or the name Yahweh and the title Elohim, cause Moses is the only man that wrote the scriptures, wasn’t anybody back there that wrote any scriptures but Moses.

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Now is there any question about that?  I wanna know if there’s anybody in here don’t understand what I’m talking about, please hold up your hand.

Student:  I am kinda confused.

Dr. Kinley:  About what?

Student:  Well, I understand who you are.

Dr. Kinley:  No, I ain’t talk.., what we wanna know is what do you understand about what we’re talking about?

Student:  If you read that again, then I can tell you.

Dr. Kinley:  Go ahead, read.

Edward Mixon:  Exodus 6:3.

Dr. Kinley:  Yes.

Edward Mixon:  And I appeared unto Abraham

Dr. Kinley:  And I appeared unto Abraham.

Edward Mixon:  Unto Isaac.

Dr. Kinley:  Now who is this talking?

Edward Mixon:  Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright, read.

Edward Mixon:  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob as El Shaddai, but by My name Yahweh was I not known to them.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.  Now what?

Student:  I understand it.

Dr. Kinley:  You do?  Okay. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) We like that.  Now when Moses begin to write the Genesis, now listen folks, Moses’ name is nowhere in the Genesis.  And the only way that you can possibly have any concrete evidence, the fact that Moses did write the Genesis is because he was the only one that knew His name there.  How about that?  And he was the only one that actually knew the title El Shaddai.  They knew Him as the Almighty Provider.  Now listen.  Now listen.  I could go over here in Jude and show you that.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied; and not only him, Noah prophesied.  And listen, I want you to know this, I want you to know it.  All of them even before Moses, prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven.  Prophesied of the things that Jude is talking about, that Moses spake of over here in the scriptures.  Now here’s what I’m trying to say to you.  Now this is what I’m trying to talk about.  You wouldn’t have known anything whatsoever about Enoch prophesying back there, if Moses hadn’t told you about it.  You wouldn’t have known nothing about it.  What I mean is, he wrote the scriptures.  Jude wouldn’t have known a thing about it.  And then he went on so far, Jude did, talking about Enoch the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things, saying.  Read.

Edward Mixon:  Jude 1:14.

Dr. Kinley:  In Jude 1:14.

Edward Mixon:  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things saying

Dr. Kinley:  Saying

Edward Mixon:  Behold Yahweh

Dr. Kinley:  Behold Yahweh

Edward Mixon:  Cometh with ten thousand of His sons

Dr. Kinley:  Now he’s talking about coming down here.  Enoch prophesied of this when he come from Mount Seir.  Enoch was prophesying.  Now Moses said, now this is what Moses said.  Moses said Enoch, the seventh from Adam prophesied, saying what?

Edward Mixon:  Behold Yahweh cometh

Dr. Kinley:  Behold, now that’s Moses saying that, not Enoch.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  That wasn’t Enoch that said Yahweh cause Enoch didn’t know a thing about it.  Well why didn’t he know anything about it?  Because Moses was the first man He revealed it to.

Student Body:  Okay.  I understand.

Dr. Kinley:  And that, and look now the prophecy’s just got to be right.  And he’s prophesying by the spirit, Holy Spirit I’m talking about.  And he knew all about … and it was Yahweh in Enoch, but he didn’t, Enoch, didn’t know His name.  How about that?  And yet Yahweh was right in him, but he hadn’t revealed His name.  Do you understand?  Oh, I’m telling you.

Now, what we have read over here in the sixth chapter of, what we have read over in the sixth chapter of Genesis, I mean of Revelations.  Now John is caught up in the spirit too.  Now listen now at what I’m saying.  John’s caught on up in the spirit, on up in the Heaven itself.  Now he sees this, these creatures around, gathered around the throne.  He’s seeing it in heaven.  Now what I’m trying to do is to get you to see that what was in heaven that Moses is seeing and everything; the ensigns and everything that surrounded the tabernacle, and all of this equipment and everything, that was first in heaven.  And Moses knew nothing about it until Yahweh revealed it to him.  Didn’t anybody know anything about it.

Now look, now there was a book that Yahweh had written, not the man, that Yahweh had written.  And it was sealed with seven seals.  That’s the reason why the preachers don’t know nothing about it.  And it, it was the Lamb.  And John when he seen that.., heaven being searched and he’s looking at Michael and Gabriel and all the rest of the angels, the might angels, I should say.  And there wasn’t any of ‘em found in heaven worthy to open the book and to loose the seals, And John said he wept much because nobody was found worthy to open the book and to loose the seals.  And he looked again, and he saw what?

Student Body:  The Lamb.

Dr. Kinley:  The Lamb upon the throne, said the Lamb on the throne.  And He had prevailed to open the book and to loose the seals.  Now it’s sealed, the Book is sealed with seven seals.  And the Lamb only was able to open the book and to loose the seals.  And when He had opened one of the first seals, he heard one of those beasts that was around that throne say,’Come and see.’  Now which one was that?  How about that?  I just asked you a question. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Alright try reading it.  Go right back to the first chapter of John.  You already done read it.  Now have you done let it slip that quick?  I just want you to see now, I just want you to see how you could answer a whole lotta these questions if you understood.  You read it already tonight.

Student:  John 1:35

Edward Mixon:  John 1:35.

Dr. Kinley:  Um Hm.

Edward Mixon:  John 1:35.  Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; and looking upon Yahshua as He walked, he said, Behold the Lamb of Yahweh.  And the two disciples heard him speak.  And they followed Yahshua.  And Yahshua turned and saw them following and said unto them, what seek ye?  They said unto him, Rabbi, where dwelleth thou?

Dr. Kinley:  And what did He say?

Edward Mixon:  He said unto them, Come and see.

Dr. Kinley:  I just wanna know now.  I’m just showing you how you can answer some of your questions if you understood.  Now you’d already done read it and it just gone on out the window before you got it read.  Oh boy.  Ain’t it wonderful?  Now I want you to look at it and see what’s going on here.  See the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.  Wasn’t, wasn’t that in front of this door at the gate?  And wasn’t them that dwell there the tribe of Judah?

Student Body:  Judah.

Dr. Kinley:  And…  who…  what else?

Student Body:  The Lion.

Dr. Kinley:  The lion.  Now if you wanna see where He dwells at.  You’ll have to come on through there or you’ll never find it.  Leviticus 16 and 2. I think it’s about time for me to come down.

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright, Leviticus 16.  Now what we’re talking about is dwelling.  Where dwelleth thou?  Jehovah Witness say it don’t dwell in no man.  Okay go ahead.

Edward Mixon:  Leviticus 16:2.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright.

Edward Mixon:  And Yahweh spake upon Moses.

Dr. Kinley:  And Yahweh spake unto Moses

Edward Mixon:  After the death of the two sons of Aaron.

Dr. Kinley:  After the death of Nadab and Abihu.

Edward Mixon:  When they offered before Yahweh and died.

Dr. Kinley:  Um Hm.

Edward Mixon:  And Yahweh said unto Moses

Dr. Kinley:  And Yahweh said unto Moses

Edward Mixon:  Speak unto Aaron thy brother

Dr. Kinley:  Now you talk to Aaron your brother.

Edward Mixon:  That he

Dr. Kinley:  What what whoop whoop.  Now I have to talk to you, you are all my brothers and sisters.  I just have to do it.  The devil don’t like it, but I have to do it.  I have to speak it. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Now how about that?  Now if you wanna know where I dwell, you come and see; but now if you’re one my brothers, I want you to know that you have to enter in at the straight gate.  Alright, read on.

Edward Mixon:  And Yahweh said unto Moses, speak unto Aaron thy brother

Dr. Kinley:  Speak unto Aaron thy brother

Edward Mixon:  That he come not at all times

Dr. Kinley:  That he come not at all times


Edward Mixon:  Into the Holy Place

Dr. Kinley:  Into the Holy Place

Edward Mixon:  Within the vail, before the mercy seat

Dr. Kinley:  Before the mercy seat

Edward Mixon:  Which is upon the ark

Dr. Kinley:  Which is upon the ark.

Edward Mixon:  That he die not

Dr. Kinley:  That he die not

Edward Mixon:  For I will

Dr. Kinley:  For I.  Read.

Edward Mixon:  For I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat

Dr. Kinley:  I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy set.  That’s where He dwells, in the cloud upon the mercy seat.  Now when you get in you being the tabernacle, in the cloud, in your brain, into your.., Holy Spirit being in there.  Some people say the mind and the spirit is synonymous.  I beg your pardon.  The mind, you have a mind to do something, and then you change your mind.  The Holy Spirit don’t change like that.  Is that right?  He had a purpose to begin with and He ain’t gonna change it.  How about that?  I hope you’ve gotten something out of that.  I wanna leave you with some room here for you to think before you get back the next time if Yahweh permits and for our commentator to say something.  That’s the dean.



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