16) 1973: SATANIC SPIRITS IN MINISTERS
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
Los Angeles, California
original recording on reel to reel
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GREER CATALOG #: 36B
ROTHSTEIN CATALOG #: 73 SS
transcribed by Cathy Fenti
proofread by Michael Rothstein and Geraldine Rothstein
proofread and approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1996
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SCRIPTURE READING: I Corinthians 15
Dr. Kinley: …But one thing is that I want you to be aware of and comprehend and it’s bearing down on you pretty heavy. And I’ll tell you what it is, so you won’t be in the dark about it. I told you last week that when I was in the hospital and had that 2nd heart attack, there were nurses and doctors that come to me right away. They went through the papers, give me medications and so forth and so on. And when I was, when I, when they woke me up, I felt that intensive and excruciating pain. And I realized how people could die in their sleep of a heart attack and never awake. Now, I told you, as I have said before: I have told you what Yahweh gave to me to tell you. I’ve already done did that. But now sometimes it’s overlooked and people just simply don’t believe. I told you that Yahweh sent me in the world to be just what I am. And somebody says, ‘Well, so then you can’t be.’ I told you that I had a vision and a revelation, and somebody else says, ‘Well, I’m equal to you.’ And when you get through with it, everybody got their doctrines and opinions and all these things are different and a lot of disputations and what not. And now we’ve come right down to the close of this age. It is definitely important. Now you have seen right in this room, people from other denominations come in here. Now we know they don’t know what we’re talking about. Now we know that. And it wouldn’t make any difference what subject you are intending to embark upon, they wouldn’t know because they haven’t been taught. So how can they know? And they’re bound to start or think different. And what you say a lotta time is an insult to them, now they’ll get up and walk out the door. They don’t know, don’t realize. Now I wanna say this before I get out on the limb. Now what you must do as of now; I want, maybe I better let you read it. And of course that I, I, I thought about that too. People are opening a Bible and put their finger right on the Bible, and read right out of the Bible, and straight up and down and this is what they do. That’s what they’re doing. They’re doing it all over the world.
12th chapter of Revelation. Now this is what I’m after folks, there in the 12th chapter of Revelations. And I wanna cut it short because I’m going to rush on and try to convey my, some thought to you. And I often speak of this, there in the 12th chapter of Revelations, John is talking about that old serpent called the devil, Satan being cast out of heaven, he and his angels. And they were cast down to the earth. Now those are demoniac spirits, there ain’t but one devil folks. Just one devil, the rest of ‘em are demons. And it says there, stars of heaven. Now everything that is written in your Bible, if you were aware of it, you could catch up with a whole lotta things. For example: stars that shot or strewn down in the sky. What they call falling stars. And many of you, I’m pretty sure have, have seen a lot it ‘em, seen the stars fall. Now that is a verification that the angels, which are stars; stars represent the angels, the sun represents the Son of Yahweh, the moon the law. Now all, everything natural, doesn’t make any difference what it is, everything natural,nothing excluding, but including everything: Yahweh has made it as it is in order to abolish your excuse for stupidity and ignorance. That’s why everything was made like it is. Now, Satan, his disposition, which is also incarnated in his demoniac spirits that follow him: every time Yahweh says anything, Satan always says, ‘that’s not the way it is;‘ in other words, Satan tries to make himself be the truth and Yahweh be the liar. Now the thought that I’m trying to impart to you there is: those demoniac spirits are cast down unto the earth, they are incarnated in physical bodies. Them demoniac spirits posing as ministers of light and as minsters of righteousness. They are up in the pulpit, leading the people. And people are following them. Now listen what I’m gonna say now. Pay attention because I’m struggling to try and get a thought over to you. And I’d like to do this before my departure. Now my departure, I’m talking about departure out of the flesh. Now you can put your finger on something in the Bible, (I’m, I’m repeating it to show you) put your finger on something right in the Bible and read it. Now we’ve had this experience. I’ve had it for 42 years. And the majority of the instances, ecclesiastical denominations such as Roman Catholics, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Unitarians, the Church of Christ, the Church of God, and so forth and so on, at one time or another in this life and since I had the vision and the revelation I have been in close conversation with them. They definitely will not accept the truth. Now what’s the matter? Well it’s just like I said: that satanic spirit in them will not allow them to accept. Now listen, don’t, don’t, don’t think that a strange thing. Don’t, don’t think it strange, because when Yahshua the Messiah was here walking around on the face of the earth, after coming through the loins of a woman and during His ministry, you have the Pharisees, you have the Sadducees, you have Zealots, the Nazarenes, the Essenes. Those are sects. Now they just naturally wouldn’t accept Him as the Messiah. Had the scriptures too. Bound some up around their arms and their ankles and around their heads, and so forth and so on. In the synagogue every sabbath day, offering up sacrifices, daily sacrifices. And yet and still, when He come along, they wouldn’t accept Him. Now you got the same thing today. Same devil that was cast out back there. Now what they have done, they have come right straight down through the dispensations and ages, right on down to our day. They’re mixed right in with us. And the, some of them have been incarnated in you and I. Now how about that? Now if you wanna get mad, just go ahead on and get mad. My job is telling you, instead of abiding by the consequences.
Now I said that because I preached 15 years Holiness, in the Church of God. And I quoted just as much scripture as anybody. You could open your Bible and start to read and I’ll tell you chapter and verse where you was reading at. I, I was called a Bibliomaniac. And now could you just imagine how it was, when I was sitting in my dining room rocking in a rocking chair. And the thought that was in my mind was, do like this. In the 15th chapter of Acts of the Apostles, the 31st verse, I believe it is. Now I never got it by revelation, I just told you about it. This was the thought that I had in my mind. Now I had, got what you call what had happened to me was put out of church; accused of a young woman. And my mother said to me, said, ‘Well son all of them people love to hear you preach, you’re a young man and now why don’t you go back and straighten up with the brethren, confess, acknowledge that you’re sorry,’ Now listen, now that’s what my mother said to do. Now I was not guilty of what they said. And for seven long years, the lady was out here; and I have no way of proving to them. And she told them that she was guilty of committing that fornication, she told ‘em. And because she stayed at my house on ____ ____ ____ ____, she stayed at my house, me and my wife’s house on a Saturday, and then, so she could go to school; her and another friend of hers who lived in another little town. And she didn’t tell them who it was. And because she stayed at my house that put it on me. Now what, look what had caused that thing in the first place was this: when she was quite young she wanted to marry a man. And her mother said, ‘No.’ She didn’t want him, her to marry that man. And her mother picked out a man for her to marry, so she married the man that her mother picked out. And it wasn’t too long before they were separated and divorced. So then she goes back to this man that she loved when they was going to school. And there’s where the crime was supposed to have been committed. But she didn’t tell them who did it, who was guilty. And they put it on my shoulders. Now here’s what I wanna tell you about that. Now I didn’t know that Yahweh was throwing me out of the church. I didn’t know that. Now how about that? And here I was all, I mean I shed many a tear about that girl. And I tried to tell them, ‘No.’ Yet they, they wouldn’t listen. So finally one day I’m rocking in my chair and Yahweh caught me on up into the third heaven and showed me what I have been trying to tell you. Now folks I wanna say this. Now if that is a lie, if I was lying, I could not have continued this far with you. And I couldn’t put up with as much as I’ve been through. I would have forgotten all about ____ long ago. I couldn’t, I just couldn’t continue. You follow? But I told mother after that happened, I told her, I said, ‘No, mother, I can’t do that.’ Now what good would it have done me to go back there and lie and say I’m guilty of something and with no understanding of what it was. I would’ve always had a condemned conscience of lying. So when I really seen what’s it all about, now my mother, she didn’t know, she just didn’t see, she belongs to the same church.
So, finally one day, well I could tell you about this first. There was an old blind man. We knew him long.., years before He ever went blind. And he was really versed in greek and latin, and after he went blind mother fixed his meals for him. And he belonged to the church, he had formerly belonged to 2nd Baptist Church. And so then he come over in this church the Church of God, Holiness Church. And he was in there, when this all occurred. Now mother had a whole lot of respect for uncle Fine, cause Uncle Fine was around my mother’s house at the time. And he used to try to say that, with his latin and suffixes and prefixes and explanations to mother. Mother thought he was right. And she said, ‘Boy, you’re wrong.’ Now I done had the vision now. So one day I’m sitting there in the house, I come over and uncle Fine was there. And he always laid his hat and, and his cane down, and know that he’d see it on his way out, laid it down right by the stairs. And when I come in and he heard my voice, he just spoke to me and he went on out. That gave me an opportunity to set there and talk to my mother and tell her really what had happened to me. And I did it. And when mother seen, I could tell that she had seen, her face just beamed just like an angel. And I could tell that she really… And these are her words to me. She said, ‘Clifford.’ My first name is Henry, second is Clifford, but they all call me Cliff or Clifford. She said, ‘I am your mother, I did give birth to you, but I confess that I never knew you.’ I got up and walked out. I just couldn’t take it, because that’s how long it took until my mother died, she belonged to this school. My father was an illiterate man, he couldn’t read nor write. And when he come home from work she told him about it. And he said, ‘Well now Ada.’ He said, ‘You know I think Ada I can’t read nor write, but if I can understand what that boy’s talking about, I don’t see no reason why you shouldn’t.’ She was a school teacher, I mean elementary school teacher. ‘And if I could understand him, I don’t see why you couldn’t.’ I see, I’ve seen him read and write, and I have seen him with a newspaper on him, every time he looked at the newspaper, he had it upside down. Well that’s, that’s right, just, just couldn’t read it.
Now I said all that to, to say this to you. There is another realm, people. And this other realm I’m talking about is an eternal realm. There are angels. There are apparitions or angels, I have seen them. I’ve talked with and communicated with…. I can’t see no justifiable reason to stand up here, under no obligation to stand up here and lie to you about that, if I hadn’t seen it.
Now here’s another thing that will tell the tale, whether I did or didn’t. Now what you see up here on these charts around, that’ll tell the tale whether I did or I didn’t. When you understand it, there won’t be no more arguing, cause all I did was to try to put down the best I could, what I saw, what Yahweh revealed to me.
Now, for a short time, I wanna go back, this BC thing up here, was up there last week. And what event there, that He had fulfilled where…. This BC you’re looking at… Right? Now this is 1973 AD, that’s Anno Domini (DR. KINLEY IS FIGURING ON THE BLACKBOARD) 4 plus 3 is 7, 7, 9, 51 Now that’s 5977. Is that right? Now that’s before and that’s after, as the theologians see it. Now when I say as the theologians see, this is what I’m talking about. I’m talking about them leading chronologists, Biblical chronologists: Hastings, Asher, Ussher. ____ . Now they are the leading ones and they’re talking about BC 4004 years before the birth of Christ. Now I told you last year, uh last Wednesday, that that was not so. There is no such thing as before. Now we know the name is wrong. But let’s assume now for a second, that is, is before Yahshua. That can’t be either. That’s a matter of impossibility. Now I have some of you, I’m pretty sure, haven’t noticed this chart. And I’m gonna point out something on this chart. Now it says BY here, 4000 is BY 1490. Had you noticed that? Now what you should have now get your King James Version and, and look at Genesis 1:1. Look at the margin of the translator and look up at the top of the page. Now Genesis 1:1 and you will see there 4004 BC, meaning this: that the creation of heaven and earth took place 4004 years before the birth of Christ. That is not so. That is a misnomer. There is no such thing as before Christ. Colossians 1:16 or 1:14, 15. Now I, I, I don’t intend to be up here too long, but I would like to get somewhere with it. I’d like to show you something.
Reader: For by him were all things created
Dr. Kinley: Yeah, that’s it. It’s up
Reader: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness
Dr. Kinley: Now that’s Yahshua the Messiah has delivered us. Now get this straight. Right almost anywhere you read that in the Bible it’s all twisted up, so far as that they tell you in these denominations is concerned. It’s all twisted up. Now, there’s Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are saying that there’s 144000 of the earth class going to heaven. I don’t know where you find that at in the Book. I have never, I never read that. And then He gonna come and He gonna set up His kingdom down… Now this said, ‘hath delivered us.’ Now in the lesson that Dr. Bryant read here tonight. He said, ‘Now this I say brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Yahweh.’ Is that right? It isn’t your physical body, it isn’t flesh and blood that inherits the kingdom. It’s a spiritual kingdom.
And look, let me tell you this. You know what angels are. I’ll say it around this way for you. Angels are ministering spirits. They have received from the Father, from the Creator, now listen to what I’m saying, power to become visible and power to disappear. Now that’s what you call a ministering spirit. Now here’s why I said that. They are already in, this a spiritual kingdom, and they are already in that spiritual kingdom. Now when, now get this one straight. Now we’re concerned about time too. When, did all this happen? Now it seems you oughta find something in the book to support that and not just go babbling along with them and agree and have no proof for nothing you say. Now you’ll have to read, hold your finger on it, where you, where you were there, and turn to the 20…, well just read it Dr. Harris. Where they say he’s gone away now to set up a kingdom for us and He’ll be back after awhile. I, I’m trying to find out whether that’s so or not. No. Isaiah, begin to read it in Matthew. There about Matthew 25:34, 5. Now pay attention now. And then if you’ll just keep your eye open, you’ll catch all these things. And you will never have to be bothered with it no more. Alright, read.
Reader: Then shall the king say unto them on his right hand
Dr. Kinley: Now it’s talking about dividing the sheep from the goats. He said then shall the King say unto them on His right hand.
Reader: Come you blessed of my father
Dr. Kinley: Come you blessed of my Father.
Reader: inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Dr. Kinley: Now did you hear that? Now the kingdom was pre.., come ye blessed of my Father and inherit the kingdom which was prepared for you before the foundation of the world. How many times have we told you that the angels was created before man? Now if that be the case inherit the kingdom that was prepared, now here you got it that He’s going away to prepare a kingdom for you. And Jehovah’s Witnesses say He’s coming back and set up a kingdom on earth. And there are those that have said this: that He would have set up the kingdom on earth back there at the garden of Eden, but He had to postpone because the man didn’t obey here. Then He had to postpone it again, down here when Enoch was preaching. Then He had to postpone it again and drown it out there with, with Noah. Now what you’re talking about, listen at what I’m saying now, you’re talking about a limited deity.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: That ain’t no good. And when something happens, He’s got to rush around and get it fixed. Now it’s nothing like that. Yahweh had a purpose within Himself before ever He started to do anything. And He’s carrying out everything according to His purpose and His own will without any hindrance. The devil is not a liability to Yahweh, he is rather an asset. So that the devil gets right in behind you real good. There’s nowhere for you to go but to run you right on in, bring you right on into the kingdom. And he don’t want no fooling with him either. You want to get in line, whole lot of ____ ____ ____, you can’t ____ ____ with that. Now, you see that? It says that, don’t it? This kingdom is already prepared. Well then somebody says, ‘Well what’s He going away for? He said He was going to prepare a place for them.’ And they took it that He would be right back and then He was going to prepare the kingdom. No, the place that He prepared for you: when He was walking around in the flesh as you are right now, He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim. Right then. Did you hear what I said? I said when He was walking around here in the flesh, He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim. Now that’s why I said it. And you are now. Now, with Him being in the flesh… Now if you don’t understand, I can’t, I can’t do a whole lot of reading and then, then explain things… Course we can take this Bible from Genesis to Revelation, we’ve done it a many times, in less time than two hours. You’ve seen that done haven’t you Cliff? But nevertheless, now when He’s walking around, now I want you to get the thought, He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim. Now let me show you what I’m talking about. This cloud, just wipe everything out but the cloud. Now this cloud denotes spirit and within the cloud, He took on a shape and form. Now you got Him as pure spirit and then you got Him in shape and form. Now that’s why I said Yahweh Elohim, and then He come on down and He took on a physical body, which means that He was the Son of Yahweh Elohim in this physical body. Now listen folks. Now I said He was going to prepare a place for you. Now the place that He prepared for you, so that you could be just what He was. Now when He died, resurrected from dead, and poured out the Holy Spirit on, on the Day of Pentecost, now listen close at what I’m saying. John.2 Read it.
Dr. Kinley: Behold
Reader: what manner of love
Dr. Kinley: what manner of love
Reader: the father has bestowed upon us
Dr. Kinley: the father has bestowed upon us
Reader: that we should be called
Dr. Kinley: that we should be called
Reader: the sons of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: the sons of Yahweh, not saints, just like He was the Son. He died that you could be a Son. 3rd chapter of Luke, the last verse. Now you’re in pedigrees and genealogies now. But I just want to show you that this man was not a ____ ____.
Reader: which was the son of Enoch
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Enoch
Reader: which was the son of Seth
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Seth
Reader: which was the son of Adam
2 I John 3:1
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Adam
Reader: which was the son of Elohim
Dr. Kinley: which was the son of Elohim. Now He’s come to take you right back where you was. So Adam was a son of Elohim. Now I’d like, I’d like to say that, say this right here. Now you see the Kingdom of Heaven was prepared way back there, long before you ever heard anything at all of the Roman Catholic Church, long before you ever heard any thing of a Baptist Church, long before you ever heard anything of a Methodist Church or Presbyterian. And I’ll say this to you, long before you ever heard anything about Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now the reason why I said that that way is: Moses and the prophets; they’re Jehovah’s Witnesses. And long before there were Moses and the prophets, long before the atom was ever made or created, the Kingdom was prepared. Now how about that? It was prepared before the foundations of the earth. And, are you following me on this? Now in the 24th chapter of Matthew or the 13th chapter of, of Mark. Now here’s what I’m trying to get after. I’m trying to get after, course I, I’m going to have to take a short little break. I’ll take Psalm 90:4, II Peter, II Peter 3:8. Now I’m going, I’m going have to do that in order to establish time. Now here’s what the majority or the folks know nothing about. They don’t know nothing whatsoever about prophetic time. They don’t know a thing about it. And just reading around in the Bible anywhere and just say anything. I’ll tell you one that folks say, they say, ‘There’s nothing new under the sun.’ And somebody jumps up and said that David said, ‘ln sin did his mother conceive him, and he was born in sin and shaped in iniquity.’ Well that was alright back there then, but it just ain’t no good over here. And if there was nothing new under the sun, you say look, why you like that. Now I, I’d like to disprove that. Isaiah 46:9, 10. Now you pay attention.
Reader: Remember the former things of old
Dr. Kinley: Now He’s telling Israel to remember the former things of old.
Reader: for I am El
Dr. Kinley: for I am El
Reader: and there is none else
Dr. Kinley: and there is none else
Reader: I am Elohim
Dr. Kinley: I am Elohim
Reader: and there is none like me
Dr. Kinley: and there is none like me
Reader: declaring the end from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: Now declaring the end from the beginning. Now that’s one of the reasons why I tell you this, when He comes through the loins of a woman and when He was down here with Moses, He was instituting with Moses, when He comes through the loins of a woman He’s fulfilling what He already instituted. Now I’ve tried to tie it in to the root of the thing. He declared the end, I’ve already done mentioned that too. In His, within Yahweh, He declared the end even before He’d done anything at all; whether He made an angel or creation or anything. It was a foregone conclusion, and He has the power to work all things after the council of His own will. Declaring the end from the beginning. Read it, read it, doc.
Reader: declaring the end from the beginning
Dr. Kinley: um hum
Reader: and from ancient times
Dr. Kinley: and from ancient times
Reader: the things that are not yet done,
Dr. Kinley: the things that are not yet done. Now here’s what I’m pointing out now. Yahshua the Messiah was a lamb, as a lamb slain from the foundation of the world, back here with Yahweh, but it hadn’t yet been done. So when He come along and died out on Golgotha, while the thing’s happened in eternity, it was just manifested on earth; so there’s not something new under the sun. How about that one now? It just hadn’t yet been done. Now Yahweh’s gonna roll this thing up as a scroll. That hasn’t yet been done. Sun and all. You follow? People just walk around trying to say something with such authority that they think nobody can’t dispute. Then ain’t nothing new under the sun. I beg your pardon. Now this is, then I told you about another thing. About David saying He was born in sin and shaped in iniquity. Now if you’re reading the seventh chapter of Romans or the seventh chapter of I Corinthians, it tells you there that the woman, the unbelieving woman or the unbelieving man is sanctified by the husband else are your children unclean. But now they are clean, they wasn’t back there then, but they are now. Since Yahshua the Messiah has been offered up. Your children are clean and you’re..; in other words, you’re responsible for ‘em till they reach the age of accountability. Now how about that one? Alright. Now is that alright?
Student Body: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Now, what we’re talking about so you don’t forget what we’re talking about ____ ____. Psalm 90:4.
Reader: for a thousand years in thy sight
Dr. Kinley: a thousand years in thy sight
Reader: are but as yesterday when it is past.
Dr. Kinley: Psalm 90:4. A thousand years in His sight are but as yesterday when it is past. Now why is that? Is because; now hold that one right tight, then look up Isaiah since you’re there. This is something to see. Now list.., we’re trying to get at some of these things so that you can have some understanding about that.
Reader: For thus saith the High and Lofty one
Dr. Kinley: For thus… Who said that?
Reader: for thus saith the High and Lofty one
Dr. Kinley: Now don’t go putting it on Isaiah. Thus saith the High and Lofty
Reader: that inhabiteth eternity
Dr. Kinley: Now He inhabiteth eternity. Now eternity… Now listen, look up here folks. Look up here. You pay attention. Now eternity means that which time and space, it just isn’t there. Eternity has no beginning and has no ending. You understand? Now, He inhabits eternity. Now listen to what I’m gonna say here now. Listen to what I’m gonna say. Now you’ve often heard me say that all, everything, and every time that man gets up here, he goes around these charts and says that everything is embodied within Yahweh and within the cloud. What you are, what you’re talking about the thing that just simply doesn’t penetrate a carnal mind. Now if that be the case, and Yahweh inhabits eternity, now that means that He’s inside of something, He inhabiteth something. Is that what it said? Well, now look here folks. Now it’s up to you to understand what He’s talking about, because what we’re using here is just words to explain it. And it says that Yahweh said that. Now here’s what I’m trying to say. Eternity, which means that which is without any time or any beginning or without any ending, it’s emanated from Him and He inhabits… Just let me, let me pose this before you so you’ll get a little better understanding. Now if there was a halo around my body, the halo would be emanated from my body and I would be inside of that halo.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now do you understand me? The halo would be coming from me, and I would be inside a halo, if the halo is emanating from me and that would put me in eternity. Now how about that one. Now these things are hard to explain. Now let me see if I can throw another one in on that. Solomon said, when he built the temple there in Jerusalem, he said, ‘the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee,’ to say nothing about this house that he built out there on Mt. Moriah. Did you follow me that time? Everything abides within Him. Nothing at no time has ever been outside of Him. He was before time began and He will be after it ends. Now, we had you to read Psalm 90:4. Now it says that a thousand years when it is past is, but as what?
Student Body: as yesterday
Reader: as yesterday
Dr. Kinley: as yesterday when it is past. Now, now we’re talking about with Yahweh, we ain’t talking about with you, not you, but with Yahweh. Alright, now, II Peter 3rd chapter and the 8th verse.
Reader: but beloved
Dr. Kinley: But
Reader: be not ignorant
Dr. Kinley: Now it’s saying beloved, be not ignorant. Just don’t be ignorant about this. Alright read on.
Reader: of this one thing
Dr. Kinley: of this one thing
Reader: that one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years
Dr. Kinley: but one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years
Reader: and a thousand years is as one day
Dr. Kinley: and a thousand years as one day. Now, I had that read so I could go back and pick up this. When He’d created the man and put him in the Garden, He told him not to partake of the fruit of the tree. And the day that he ate of the fruit of that tree, he would surely die that day. Now somebody come along with a carnal mind and say, ‘Adam didn’t die that day.’ Thinking one sunrise and sunset in that day, that they call day. And then Adam lived 930 years and they say, ‘Well, he lived all that time, he didn’t die.’
And listen he begat both sons and daughters. Cain was older than Abel. And a woman, after she conceives, 9 months, so in 9 months would be longer than a day. And if she had two sons way back, way back there, Cain and Abel and Seth. Then.., and Adam was the father of ‘em, then that would make it longer than one day, and for him to live 930 years, he died 70 years short of a day. That’s with Yahweh. Now here’s what I’m getting after now. So now you follow me. He told Adam not to.., listen, not to touch, now not to eat, what are you so particular about that… to keep the garden. Now if you gonna trim a tree, you gonna certainly have to touch it.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: The devil, he’ll just say anything. So He told him not to touch it, that means: don’t, don’t do no trimming around on it and don’t bother it, stay away from it, don’t, don’t touch it, let it alone, get away from around it. He didn’t have no business in there where he was in the first place, as far as the Garden, as for the trees that were in the midst of the garden, he didn’t have no business in the midst of the Garden at all. Don’t touch that. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now look, now when you can see it a long way, then you can see why He says to Aaron ‘Don’t touch that mercy seat, don’t touch that ark, throw that blood toward that.’ Said, ‘ln the day ye touch it, ye shall surely die.’ Repeating it right back yonder. Now do you understand that? We down here, we know how to trap the devil, we get him in a ____ ____. He says, ‘Well, I got an appointment down the street.’ We know how it’s done. Folks, I’ve been doing this thing for 42 years. Yes, I’ve had a hold of your pastor, I mean doctrine is what I’m talking about. And they’ve tried and tried, tried. They’ve even ganged me. I challenge the world. You can’t whip me. Now I don’t me as a man, that’s not what I mean. I mean the divine intelligence and knowledge and wisdom that Yahweh has put within me, in fact it’s just the Father in me. Yeah. Now that’s, and that’s what it is in you, I don’t want you to think anymore of me than what you do of yourself. That’s what it is within you. Well what’s the difference? You see, I’m conscious of it and you may not be. Now that’s what the difference is. Now how about that. That’s a whole lotta difference, isn’t it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) So now here, they got that. Now you got II Peter 3:8. Read it again Dr. Harris because we done lost the continuity of thought.
Reader: Beloved be not ignorant of this one thing
Dr. Kinley: Um hum
Reader: that one day with Yahweh as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. Now when Adam touched the fruit of that tree. Now listen, the Word of Yahweh is quick and powerful, it’s sharper than a two edged sword (listen now) piercing even to the dividing asunder the soul and the spirit, and is a discerner of the thought and the intent. Now that’s carrying it out ____ to me, the intent of the mind. Now when you get something, something sharp enough to cut between the soul and the spirit and the mind, now then I’m getting down pretty sharp ain’t it. And when it goes back on over that’s it, that’s really sharper than a Gillette blue blade. Wouldn’t you say so? Now here’s why I, here’s what I’m talking about and the reason why I said that: no sooner than that man touched that tree, his conscience was instantaneously condemned; in short, he died within himself, instantaneously condemnation. No sooner he touched it, condemnation, right there, right there is where he died, so far as conscience is concerned. And the way Yahweh has predicated ____ but you see the man come along, he don’t understand them things and say he lived 930 years. If the Bible’s wrong, just suit yourself. He just didn’t understand Yahweh. See how it was? Now that’s time. Now. Dr. Harris did we read Colossians 1:13, 14, 15? We didn’t finish it up. We wanna finish it. Now it would do, it would be well if you’d look these things up. And then look, when you read these things… Now there’s interpolations in the Bible folks, I don’t want you to think there’s not Mistranslations. Some of the things you read in the Bible, it ain’t so, it just ain’t that way, but we know how to take them interpolations out and show ‘em to you. And the purpose of Yahweh makes sense. And this is what they have to do. Now listen at me. Pay attention to me. This is what you have, and if you don’t do it this way it’s gonna tell on you. You have to put, put your blood where Yahweh said put it, and water where Yahweh said put it, spirit right where Yahweh said put it. After, if you ain’t no need for you to stand around arguing, you’re wrong fellow. Now this is what you got. Now this is what you have. Are you listening now? Now what I’m gonna say now, some people could get sore about it. What you have now, you have one of them satanic spirits incarnated in a physical body up preaching to you. And he don’t know how to put this together. He hasn’t been let in on this deep esoteric secret of Yahweh, consequently he doesn’t have any way to prove what he’s talking about. And must be line upon line, precept upon precept, and here a little and there a little and listen what I ‘m saying now, it must repeat itself in every dispensation and every age. Never misses. Then somebody come along and says, ‘Well what about this or what about that or what about…’ Well, what about it? And when somebody tells you what about it, then you are not aware of what that really tells you. Alright. Now, he’s sayings things here.
Reader: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins
Dr. Kinley: we have redemption in His blood
Reader: who is the image of the invisible El
Dr. Kinley: or who is the image. Now wait just a minute. An image has, it has a description and it has some shape and has some form. He’s the image of the invisible EL. Now this, they tell you every time they get up here, this invisible El, is invisible, you only see Him in visions and in revelations. Now in the flesh, He’s a image here, it’s just like this image here. And Adam was made in the likeness and image. And He is the image of the invisible El. Now how about that? What Yahweh is really doing is knocking out your stup…. Alright read on.
Reader: the first cause of all crea…
Dr. Kinley: The first cause. Now that’s the first cause of all creation. Now I believe the King James Version says the first born. Is that right? Well now listen here. I don’t like that word cause, like I do born. You know why, you know why I take a issue with it? Well now, I’ll show you. You wouldn’t be thinking about this like I would. When that angel flew over Egypt down there and where he didn’t see that blood on the door, lintels of the door, the firstborn of both man and beasts were slain, the firstborn, the firstborn. So now, in Him taking on shape and form, and then He is the im…, He’s the image of the invisible El, who is, He’s the firstborn or the first cause as you got it there now. Now read the verse so they, so we can pick up with the book. Now read on.
Reader: for by him were all things created
Dr. Kinley: Now listen here folks, now you don’t need no sense. You don’t need no college education to understand that He was the Creator Himself. Read it again Dr. Harris.
Reader: For by him were all things created
Dr. Kinley: Now, for by Him were all things created. Now listen if by Him all things are created there cannot be anything before Him. That’s the reason why I said there’s no such thing as before, because He is the Creator Himself. For by Him were all things created. Somebody says, ‘Well, maybe in the earth.’ Read on.
Reader: That are in heaven.
Dr. Kinley: Now that is in heaven. Don’t make no difference what it is. By Him all things were created; Michael and Gabriel and all the angels and everything were created by Him. Now there can’t be anything before Him. That’s a matter of absolute impossibility. But we’ve been taught that all our lives. And it’s just corroded in our minds. And we think there was something before Him, but I beg your pardon. Listen, read on.
Reader: that are in heaven and that are in earth
Dr. Kinley: that are in heaven or that is, that are in earth.
Reader: visible and invisible
Dr. Kinley: Now it doesn’t make any difference whether it’s visible and invisible. Now you get, did you get the point? Now ____ ____ you ought not to be letting anybody tell you there’s any such thing as BC. You just ought not to. But now I understand when they talking on when they say BC. I could say this, BBY, before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah or before He comes through the loins of a woman. Now He existed before then and He was the one that told, the prophets that He was coming that way. Now if you want me to read it, I definitely will read it. And your Bible does say so. Is that alright, Freddy? Since He’s so polytechnical, down here we’re gonna be technical. We’re gonna test you any way you go.
I went to the doctor last Friday, a week ago, last Friday. And he put the stethoscope on my chest, and told me to breathe. Doctor said, he told me to breathe. And I had a ____ breathed through my nose. He said, ‘Breathe through your mouth.’ Now, I knew why he said that, cause when you breath through your mouth… (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Breathe through your nose. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And that noise is registered in that stethoscope. How am I doing doc? Am I doing alright? See how technical we are down here. Yes indeed. Now, you got that far?
Now I, I wanna, wanna call attention now back to where, where we were now, so that you don’t make this blunder no more. Now we got here the earth. Now this is Genesis 1:1. Suppose you go back there now. And we were saying that all things are created by Him and without Him there wasn’t nothing created, both visible an invisible. And He was the first born of everything, which is nothing else other that Yahweh just taking on shape and form.
You know it’s nice when you can get down to making sense out of it, out of things, things you read in the Bible. Then you have some…, listen, you have something stable, you have something infallible, you have something concrete, you have something irrefutable, you have something that is undeniable, you have something that you can stand upon. You have something that you cannot gainsay. You have something that you cannot resist without condemnation. You understand it. Alright, read doc.
Now this is what we’re after. Now we’re showing you on this chart. When you go on this chart, we’re showing you the creation of heaven and earth, all like that; six days of it. Now remember, don’t forget now. If one day with Him is 1000 years, I’ll try to put this up here.., and He worked six days and you got 6000 years. Now that is, that’s gonna bring you back to this. What does it say there at, in, in, at, at the top of your page in chronology, in Genesis there, the first chapter. But, does it say four… It says 4004. Now notice this folks, listen at me now, pay attention. It could not be 4000 and 4. That’s that would mean 4000 and 4 years. One day with Him is not as 1000, and 1 day multiplied by 4, which meant 1004. It’s not that way, it’s got to be even. 1000. No hangover. One day with Him is a thousand years, not as a thousand and one year, multiplied by 4 to make it 4000 and 4 years. That’s not so. Now that’s written, and I gave you Bible for it. Psalms 90:4 and II Peter 3:8. Then right here you have a day by day account up here in the Genesis. Now where’s this.., now look folks, this is important, this is important. Now if you can follow me now, you’re good and you almost got the lesson learned. I want you to, go over and pick up there in Genesis, and turn to the 24th chapter of Exodus, and I think about the 16th verse.
Reader: and the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: and the cloud covered it six days.
Dr. Kinley: Now the cloud covered it six days. Now you got a what there?
Reader: a colon.
Dr. Kinley: You have a colon. What is a colon? This is a colon. I could have just drew it this way. (DR. KINLEY WRITES ON THE BLACKBOARD.) D A Y S colon. Now from, then, aft, after that what, what’s after that Dr. Harris?
Reader: and the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: and the seventh day. And, that’s a conjunction. The seventh day. What happened then?
Reader: He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. Now look folks, look right up here to me, look up here. Now I want you to get Revelations 10:4. Now here’s what I’m doing, so you can see. I’m taking the Genesis and the Revelations and putting them together and bringing it right on down and carrying it all the way, to put these together. Now then, listen folks. What’s happened here is this. This book is sealed with seven seals that are opened by the lamb of Yahweh. No man in heaven, Michael, Gabriel, none of ‘em was able to open the book, nor to loose the seals. John said, I wept much, because no man was able to open the book. He’s seeing a vision, just like Moses is seeing a vision here. Now there’s something else I wanna say there too, and that’s this: now notice, Moses goes through, in the first chapter of Genesis, Moses goes through and tells you what he sees up there in that vision. Now I’ve tried to point this out, because a lotta times people make a mistake on this. Now Moses at the burning bush, he saw a vision, but this, this was not the first vision, this up here. He saw a vision at the burning bush before he saw this, both of them. And I’m very, very particular. Now let me see if I can say this. Now you hold on tight. Hold it, hold on tight. Now what we’re talking about is what happened during these six days. It’s not there. This is at Genesis beginning at 1:1. Oughta read that. Right there. Right there is where you’ve got the account. Now here’s what we have done. Now listen, everybody listen. Now we took Genesis, the first and second chapter out of Genesis and put ‘em in Exodus, in order to tell you what happened during them six days. Right? Do you see that? Now I asked you to read Revelation 10:4.
Reader: And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices.
Dr. Kinley: Now when the seven thunders had uttered their voices
Reader: I was about to write
Dr. Kinley: I was about to write. Then what?
Reader: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me.
Dr. Kinley: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me.
Reader: seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered
Dr. Kinley: seal them up
Reader: and write them not
Dr. Kinley: And don’t write ‘em. Why not? Already written. Seal up. He’s got to know the end of the thing, seal it up. Seven thunders first.., after the seven thunders uttered their voices. Now let me show you what we’re talking about. Here if you start to read in Genesis. Now Moses is having this vision up here in the Mount, Mount Sinai. And listen, read the last verse. We don’t never say nothing much about this; of the 24th chapter, I want the last verse.
Reader: And the sight of the glory of Yahweh
Dr. Kinley: and the sight of the glory of Yahweh
Reader: was like a devouring fire
Dr. Kinley: was like a devouring fire. Consummation, folks, that’s what I’m talking about. A consuming fire. That’s why Peter said what He did in the third chapter. Consummation of all things. And it was in the eyes of the children of Israel like a consuming fire on the top of that mountain. Now go back to Genesis 1:1.
Reader: in the beginning
Dr. Kinley: in the beginning
Reader: Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Dr. Kinley: Now Moses is telling you something there. He’s just telling you in the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Alright, read on.
Reader: and the earth was without form and void.
Dr. Kinley: And the earth, he’s describing it to you now. That it’s without any shape and any form. Alright read on.
Reader: and darkness was up on the face of the deep
Dr. Kinley: and the darkness was upon the face of the deep
Reader: and the spirit of Elohim moved upon the face of the waters
Dr. Kinley: and the spirit of Elohim moved upon the face of the waters
Reader: And Elohim said
Dr. Kinley: And El, now wait a minute, here come that thundering voice. Here come the thunder. ‘Let there be light,’ the thunder. And there was light. The seven thunders uttered their voice. And each day you’ll find that thundering voice. Just like when He thundered His voice from Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai just trembling and shook. The Children of Israel, and even Moses said, ‘I fear and quake,’ or I fear and tremble. The seven thunders, them seven days. six days of creation and the seventh day He rested. Now John has to witness this, but don’t write it, because He’s at the end. Now look, Moses is seeing this way and John is turned this way. And Moses is behind him. And He heard the voice behind him of something that happened before that. And he’s in the end of the thing. And he heard the voice behind him and he turned to see. And when he saw it. He’s shown that one walking in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. And there’s seven stars in His right hand. And he said, he fell at His feet ____. Now that let’s you know, if you just want to have just a fractional glimpse, that would let you know this, as John describes Him there. Said His feet was as burning brass, and He had on, walking in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. Why can’t you see here? You have to be in the light before ever you can see anything or understand anything. You’re plunging around in the dark. Now listen, let me say this to you. He is the Sanctorium of Sanctoriums, we’re in Him. Now how about that? And that’s what that sanctuary shows. We’re standing in the Holy Place. We’re in Him. That’s Him transfigured and we’re in Him. And He is the Sanctorium of Sanctoriums. And no man goeth unto the Father but by Him. There’s no way to get in there but only by Him. He is the way, the truth and the life, and no man goeth unto the Father but by him. Now have you gotten, have you been listening thus far, paid attention. Now then, let me go back now and pick up now. Let me go back and pick up. Now, now you have to do this. Go right back to the 24th chapter and get the same verse, I think it’s the 15th verse.
Reader: And the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mount Sinai
Dr. Kinley: um hum.
Reader: and the cloud covered it six days
Dr. Kinley: um hum. Now read.
Reader: and the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: and the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Now, now look folks. Now go over in Genesis. Now that same seventh day that you’re reading about here in Genesis. That’s the same day that he’s talking about right here.
Reader: thus the heavens and the earth were completed.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: and all their hosts
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: and on the seventh day
Dr. Kinley: Um hum.
Reader: Elohim completed His work which He had made.
Dr. Kinley: Um hum. Now look, when people that don’t understand the vision and the revelation, they think that Adam knew something about the sabbath day. And say that way back there in Genesis, and them people all down through there that knew all about the seventh day. They didn’t even know a thing about it. Moses wrote what you just read. And he didn’t write it up in the mountain either. He wrote it after he came down out of the mountain. And he told you what all happened during them six days, there in Exodus. Now listen. Then that means this: that the Exodus, Exodus means going out or a departure from it. Then the Exodus then has got to be before the Genesis. They had to come out, make an exodus out of Egypt into the wilderness before he saw the vision of the creation. So the Exodus is before the Genesis. Now, how about that. Now watch. Now you have started reading there in the first chapter of Genesis in the first verse, He said that, how that, how the earth was inundated, and the spirit of.., just like Yahweh Elohim moved upon the face of the water. And Yahweh said, ‘Let there be light and there was light.’ Is that what you read? You sure that’s what you read? Well now look, when Noah comes along and he’s preaching to the people. Now look, I’m talking about the spirit of Yahweh moving upon the face of the waters. Now that’s what I’m talking about. Noah, he comes along, he’s preaching to the people 120 years. And then went in the ark and the, the flood occurred. And then the ark, it moved upon the face of the waters, and all life was in the ark. The spirit moved on the face of the waters. That was an end of a world, or an end of an age. Now it’s got to be duplicated; just continued on that way. And Yahshua the Messiah was crucified and buried in Joseph’s new tomb, resurrected from the dead. And you have that in Matthew 12:40, and as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, even shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, and He resurrected from the dead. Are you listening? And Peter.., there of them, said he’s going a fishing. And they went going out a fishing. You wouldn’t know what it was all about unless you understood what it’s all about. They went out there, seven of ‘em. Try 21st and the 20 and first chapter of John and they was out there fishing. Now they fished all night. It makes me think about this Roman Catholic doctrine of demons. They don’t know the difference between breakfast and supper. You call it the passover feast. ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. Alright now. That, after he resurrected from the dead, He’s over here on the shore, prepared a big fish. Now that was a, that was a big one too. What’d he do that for? Don’t you see down here in Jonah, that Yahweh Elohim prepared a fish that swallowed up Jonah, and the waters were troubled there… And Peter, as they called him, was Simon Bar Jonah. Old Jonah was right there with them, right in the boat, right down in the boat fishing all night and hadn’t caught a thing. Fishing. Now listen folks, now you can argue, and chew the rag all you want to; if you fish on the wrong side of that boat, stay all night, you ain’t going to catch a thing. You’ve got to get over in this dispensation and this age before you’re going to catch anything. Put your net down on this side. ‘What are you talking about on this side?’ Or on this, in this dispensation and in this age. Then here he come up with 153 fish. Now He had said to ‘em, ‘Children, do you have any meat?’ They didn’t have none. Said, ‘We’ve been fishing all night, ain’t caught a thing, we ain’t got nothing yet.’ ‘Put your net down on the other side.’ He said, ‘Well never,’ Pete said, ‘nevertheless, at your word we’ll let her down. ‘ So they let the net down, and they caught 153 fish. Right? That was tallied. And he called to ‘em, said, ‘Come and dine.’ Peter jumped out of the boat, there he went out and he jumped out of the boat and he went onto the shore. Now that was old Jonah. Do you understand it? And here it is the grave, that’s Joseph’s new tomb was just like the belly of the fish. Now here He comes up out of the belly of the fish or up out of, out of the, or out of Joseph’s new tomb, and now He says, ‘Come and dine.’ Come and eat the fish or come and eat up the grave; so death, you read in the 15th chapter of I Corinthians there: death is swallowed up in victory. That’s what they ate, the grave. And was old Jonah that was out there eating up the grave. Death is swallowed up in victory and He brought Life and Immortality to Life. Now do you see that boat moving upon the water there again and ole Peter and them in it? The seven of ‘em, He made the eighth. And then you count how many was within the ark there.
Student Body: Eight. Eight.
Dr. Kinley: You see that now? See how He moved upon the waters. Oh boy, it’s beautiful when you see what it’s all about. You just standing around saying, ‘Well, faith comes by hearing.’ You’re reading now. You have hope, that’s what your problem is. You haven’t heard how this thing goes together. And then when you get, hear how the thing goes together, then it becomes a new thing all together. You find out the devil can’t see anything, he just can’t touch it nohow. Now do you see? Now there’s one other thing that I wanna show you. And I have to, try to do this kinda quick. Now I said, this, these, BY it should be, 4000 is 1490. Now here’s why that is. The creation had already taken place. And this is 1490 years that Moses is seeing a rerun of the creation. It’s 1490 that he’s seeing a rerun of it. And listen now folks, I’ve tried to tell you that the creation took place in the realm of eternity. Now Moses is just caught up in his consciousness within that realm. And he is seeing a vision. He’s unconscious of any environment or anything at all. And he’s seeing that vision. And the same is true with John on the Isle of Patmos. And the same is true with all of the rest of the prophets. Now do you follow through there I’m talking about. So then BC 4004 really is, is, is 1490. Now I wanna talk about the 1490 for a second. Then by the pattern, you got to do it. Adam lived 930 years and he died. Now then seven days in a week. Seven times seven is 49. Well I could’ve done it the other way, this is the short way I’m trying to track it over here now. Seven times seven equals 49. Now that’s seven weeks. Is it seven weeks? No, that ain’t seven weeks, that’s seven days. Or it’s seven weeks, seven times seven weeks is 49 weeks. Is that right now? 4… Seven times seven is 49. 49, seven times seven is, there’s seven days in a week. Now look folks, if you know how, you can check everything. Now I have on the board 14 9 0. Now then, back in this 1000, we’ll have to come in here, forget this and just cut it off right out here. Now this 1000 that’s in the 1490, this would be the one day. And then this would be, since you got 70 here, starting with Adam, then he, and Adam died 70 years short of one day. Then you multiply seven times seven is 490. That’s the 490. That’s that cycle of which the 70 weeks. That comes right back and picks that man up, Adam, where he died at. For he died at 930 or 70 years or years short of 1000. Then if you multiply the time that he was back there. Multiply 70 times seven times, then you got 490 years. Now then here’s what’s back here. There’s 490 years from coming out of Egypt to the building and dedication of that temple. That’s what’s that is. Now you got 490 years or 70 times seven. You remember when Peter asked Him, says, ‘Master, if thy brother sin against me, how often shall I forgive him, until the seventh times?’ He said, ‘seventy times seven, ‘is 490 years. Do you remember how long Israel was down in Egypt? How long?
Student Body: 400 years
Dr. Kinley: 70 years. Now, I mean, Babylon, I’m talking about. They was in Babylon 70 years. Now do you follow, you get, you see how you have the times and all? They have to work right together. And the, the ark, got to have three stories. And then you don’t see nothing here. But Ishmael was 40 years old when Isaac, Abraham was circumcised, it’s over there in the ____ chapter of ____ ____. You’ll find that it takes place there. So now, the point I’m trying to make here is this; is showing you how, through 70 weeks, 70 weeks that this thing covered to the dedication of that temple. That’s the Outer Court, Holy Place and Most Holy Place, and so forth, carrying on, right straight on through here, always functioning and operating that way. Now, let’s see if I can say this. Now Dr. Harris you’re gonna have to help me here. Let me, give me your hand. Not gonna. Over here, put your hands back up. Now when this man is in good health, how many times does his pulse beat?
Student Body: 70.
Dr. Kinley: Well why’s that? When it stops beating, you know something’s happened there. That man is dead. So now list.., went right straight on back to Adam to show you that death in that man. Lived 900, and yes he died 70 years short of that 1000 years day with Him. In your pattern Israel on back and Moses told them this that if they didn’t behave themselves when they went into the Land of Canaan… Don’t, now don’t let me go overtime and hold you folks so you just lose all I’ve been, good stuff I’ve been bringing to you. I’ve been holding back. (THE BELL RINGS) It’s 10 o’clock. Well, we’ll just stop here, we’ll just stop here and call this one a day. And if you’ll, been able to absorb anything there then I was discussing ____ ____ ____ forget it too.
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