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by Henry Clifford Kinley

Los Angeles, California

recorded by Dr. Carl F. Gross on a reel to reel recorder

transferred to audio cassette by Gerry Rothstein

1 90 minute audio cassette

Catalog#: 66 CF


originally transcribed by Patricia White

originally proofread by Gerry Rothstein



first proofreading: Mary Colucci

second proofreading: Michael Rothstein

third proofreading: Susan Ameigh

fourth proofreading: Gerry Rothstein

fifth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997



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Dr. Kinley:  Alright, read on.

Dr. Harris:  in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices,

Dr. Kinley:  in which was offered both gifts and sacrifices,

Dr. Harris:  that could not make him that did the service

Dr. Kinley:  that could not make him that did the service

Dr. Harris:  perfect,

Dr. Kinley:  Perfect.  Now, wait a minute.  Now, who served in that tabernacle?  The high priest.  Now, that was the highest tribunal at that time.  He was going in and out of the tabernacle, that is the sanctuary, appearing there in the Most Holy Place, I mean listen, going by himself, no company, alone, not without blood.  That couldn’t make him perfect that did the service.  Then how could he make somebody else perfect?  Now, if you’re able to read, just read what you got in the Book.  It just stood for a time present which was offered both gifts and sacrifices which could not make him that did the service perfect as pertaining to conscience.  Read on.

Dr. Harris:  which stood only

Dr. Kinley:  Now, listen, which stood O N L Y.  Can’t you read?  It stood only, in what?

Dr. Harris:  in meats and drinks

Dr. Kinley:  in meats and drinks

Dr. Harris:  and divers washings

Dr. Kinley:  In divers washings, many washings.  It stood only in meats and drinks and divers washings.

Dr. Harris:  and carnal ordinances,

Dr. Kinley:  and carnal ordinances.  Carnal means natural, physical, literal.  It stood only in that.  Everything they done was from a natural point, standpoint.  The law stood only in that.  Now, listen, you’re dealing with the people without the Holy Ghost.  You’re dealing with a carnal people, people with a carnal mind from the high priest on down, carnal-minded folks, carnal-minded folks only, so therefore, you deal with them with carnal ordinances only.  Now you watch out for your church.  You just watch out for your church, but I am taking this down out of the Bible.  Alright read.

Dr. Harris:  imposed on them until the time of ref….

Dr. Kinley:  Listen, these carnal ordinances…  Well, what is a carnal ordinance?  Name some of ‘em.  Some of us are, some of us are so, even so stupid until we don’t even realize what a carnal ordinance is.  Listen.  Physical, literal water baptism is a carnal ordinance.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now that high priest, he’s got divers washings, many different kind of washings.  The sacrifices was washed in physical, literal, natural water.  Everything that they had was just as natural as it could be.  And it was that way for a purpose.  Are you following me down now?  Stood only in divers, which means many, different kinds of washings and carnal ordinances.  Listen, listen at the next word.  Imposed on them.  Them who?  They’re not imposed on you.  They were not imposed on Abraham.  They were not imposed on the ____ ____.  They were not imposed on the Gentiles.  You heard me, you’re not blind.  You see the point?  It was for the time then present and was imposed on them through that dispensation.  Stood only, just only, in that.  Imposed on them how long?

Dr. Harris:  until the time of reformation.

Dr. Kinley:  Until the time of reformation or until, until God chose to, listen, listen at these words, reform Israel.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  ‘Well, what do you say that for?’  He giveem a law of carnal ordinances imposed on them.  Have you to know this now, watch what’s written, ____ figure that’s the reason why I kept coming back to this, because I want you to watch the train.  Coming back to the Abrahamic dispensation, and do you remember I told you there was no carnal ordinances imposed on him.  He didn’t have no set, set routine there, Abraham didn’t.  Did he?

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  Get the point?  Now then, it was imposed on them until the time of the reformation.  Now here’s where the reform comes in.  Now, at Pentecost the Holy Ghost that they didn’t have, the folks or the preachers, the apostles I’m talking about, they didn’t have it.  And He told them to tarry there in Jerusalem until you get it, and then when you get it, then you start right here at Jerusalem.  ‘Then where am I going?’  Judea.  Where to and for what purpose?  To Samaria.  Why Samaria?  We haven’t got that learned.

We get up here into the Bible, get to reading, ‘da that He said to do that, ye shall be witnesses unto me in Judea, in Jerusalem, in Samaria, and to the utter most parts of the earth’ and all this, that, and the other, but that don’t say you know anything about it.  You can read.  You might just as well recite it by heart.  And people think that when they get so they can recite a thing pretty much by heart, know something about chapters and verses, they’re already to go somewhere and preach to somebody, but I think that you’re badly mistaken.  You get the point?  And that’s how they got Philip all messed up there.  Got the personnel messed up, got the direction wrong.  And they haven’t got straightened out yet.

Now, begin at Jerusalem.  Now, if you look in the fourth chapter of Paul’s epistle to the Galatians you’ll find this, listen at me now, that Jerusalem beneath is allegorical to Jerusalem above; that the carnal ordinances that you dealing with, every last one of ‘em, they were typical of spiritual righteousness.  It only typified it, therefore it was imposed on them until the thing that it typified come.  You’re reformed by the Holy Ghost.

Let me get this in, let me get this in, cause here is one of the great argumentations.  This is the ontological argumentation, the presentation of the ontological argumentation.  Do you know what I’m telling you is?  Do you know what Metaphysics are?  Divine Metaphysics?  This is the presentation of the case as is.  Now listen. (DR.  KINLEY LAUGHS) Get it now?

Now listen, we don’t need no patching up by tradition.  We don’t need no ideas and opinions.  And Bishop Short said it was a vision.  Now you separate a vision from a hallucination. (DR.  KINLEY LAUGHS) You get the point?  Just separate that from a hallucination.  Said, he said, ‘vision.’  And he didn’t say imagination either, cause somebody’s always sticking their finger in their ear, said, ‘Oh, he sure is preaching now.  He’s talking about, I imagine I can see the streets of gold.  I imagine I can see my mother after she’s raised from the dead, and I see her entering on through the pearly gates of heaven.’  Somebody says, ‘Oh ra, oh ra, there goes somebody.’ (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now don’t tell me nothing about it, I’ve done it.  You don’t have to give me no instructions about it, I’ve done that thing myself.  Then when the service is over someone talking about, ‘You sure are a wonderful preacher.’  I thought so too.  That’s the truth about it.  I had the gift of gab and a highly inflated imagination. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Yes indeed.  That’s the way it was taught to me and that’s why I stood up for it.

Now let me show you for, so, so I can get at it.  Now this is the.., what you just read is under the Dispensation of the Law, not under the Abrahamic Dispensation.  Now look, God said in Abraham’s seed He would bless all the families of the earth.  Right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley: Now he’d have to say that that way because in this Abraham here, that promise was based on the conditions of regeneration back here.  And it had to affect a whole entire population of the world, so therefore, it said Jew and Gentile, that’s all there is in the earth.  Get the point?  You get it?  Now, look and listen, now this law here that you’re reading about.., the presentation of the ontological argumentation, the case as it is, get the point?  The law here was added.  The law here, I didn’t say the promise.  I’m saying what I mean, meaning what I say and placing the words.  And I don’t want ‘em twisted up or confused with something, saying I said something that I didn’t say.  Now the law here, not the promise.., the promise was made because that in his seed, Abraham’s seed, all of the families of the earth were to be blessed, which means the Jews and the Gentiles, which everything come from the loins of Adam and Eve back there.  There’s no man living, neither Jew nor Gentile, but what didn’t come from the loins back there.  So then God has to make that promise to Abraham based on that, while the seed was yet in his loins.

And Melchizedek, whom there is no pedigrees and genealogies of, nobody can trace their family tree back to that, for this reason:  people like to boast about ‘look at my folks and look at my pedigrees.’  Look at the endless pedigrees and genealogies, they lead into a lotta confusion, whole lotta chaos down in here, the goody goods and better than I’s, and the ‘I’m above you and you’re beneath me,’ and all that kind of stuff.  ‘Look what my folks done.’  As the children said one time when they was going to school, said, ‘well, my people are rich.’  ‘What’d you say that for?’  Say, ‘Well, my Father owns a house.’  They said, ‘Well, my people…’  Another child said, trying to give him some competition, said, ‘My people are rich too.’  Said, ‘They are?’  Said, ‘Well, what do they got?’  Said ‘Well, my daddy owns a cow.’  So we’re all rich. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS)

So now I’m saying that to say this.  It had to be include all in it.  Now listen, now listen, the law.., this is a law that was given conclusive to Israel.  It was contained in carnal ordinances only.  It was a 430 years to the day after the promise was made.  This is a dispensation of Melchizedek, and Melchizedek and Abraham.  Faith.  Abraham believed God and that faith that he had in God was accounted unto him for righteousness.  No doing nothing.  He didn’t offer up but one sacrifice and he did a thorough job of that.  God told him to offer it.  And I could tell you lots of things about that.

An old man, well stricken in age, 85 years old.  Even when Ishmael was conceived by Hagar he’s 85 years old.  If somebody 85 years old now, you almost got that without me saying anything.  You almost got that one, didn’t you? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) She comes around, a woman with little baby in her arms, says, ‘That’s his child.’  85 years old.  ‘That’s his child.’  Now you’re going to have some trouble.  (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You see what I mean?  That’s when Ishmael was born.  Now that’s bad, ain’t it?  Now here it comes up.., that’s not the son through whom God’s gonna bless all the seed.  Now here it comes up:  his wife, Sarah, she’s been barren from birth.  She never had had no children.  Now Abraham, now he’s 99 years old going into his 100th birthday when he has a son conceived by Sarah who was barren.  She’s 90 years old and he’s 99 going into a hundred.  It wasn’t no wonder Sarah laughed when she… (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You know what I mean?  And it is comical for somebody that old that hasn’t had no children.  It’s comical, it just don’t happen like that.  And it wouldn’t have even happened in his case had it not been for God.  That’s what the trick is.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now he’s a hundred years old when Isaac is born by a woman that never had no seed.  Now, you have to almost look back here, clear, clear on back here where Dr. Roland was talking about, in order to see that.

Look on back here in Mother Earth.  She’s barren, destitute.  She’s amalgamated and conglomerated, chaos back there, without the seed of vegetation and so forth and so on.  The earth…  And had to wait till the waters was moved off of the face of the earth and the dry land appeared.  And on the third day Mother Earth, that virgin who had been barren and destitute, God impregnated her with the seed of vegetation.  Get that?  That is what you going back to.  That’s Mother Earth impregnated with the seed of vegetation.  This is the, this is the.., another kingdom.  Human beings is another kingdom.  Then three days from that God reaches right down in the virgin Mother Earth, no sin had been committed.  She’s a virgin, no other man had come from there, so she’s got to be a virgin.  And He takes Adam out of the dust of the earth.  She’s a virgin, God’s his father, Mother Earth his mother.  It’s wonderful when you look at it.

Now, well now that’s why these things happened up here to Abraham.  That’s why the things, whatever things that was, just anything that happened, that’s why these things happened back there in the beginning, because as Dr. Roland said, now listen at his words.  Now you listen at his words, which we often read on and pay no attention, these words are in the Bible.  Listen, God declared the end from the beginning and said His purpose, Isaiah 46:9 and 10, would stand.  All of His council would stand; He doesn’t have any hinderance and obstructions.

And Bishop Short spoke about the devil.  Why you, you can’t create no good, real good, opponent for God; God had to make His own.  You’re no match even for the devil.  You can’t overcome the devil without, without the overcomer.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Yes indeed.  You run around talking about ‘I’m doing this and I’m doing that.  I’m living a holy consecrated life unto the Lord.  I’m living the Book.’  Seeing and ____ and all that.  You ain’t doing nothing.  You’re just kidding yourself.  You can’t do that.  Why don’t you give God a little credit for it.

When He come into the world He said that all them back there from Adam on down, way on down through, past through Abraham….  I guess He knew what He was talking about, He set it up.  Now, you can see Him about it.  He said, ‘There’s none righteous, no.’  ‘Well, what about Abraham?  Oh my goodness, look, look what he said there that Enoch was the seventh from Adam, he walked so perfectly, until God translated him without seeing death.  And here he is saying there’s none good.’  And there’s always somebody trying to talk about ‘me and my righteousness, me and my religion.’  All of our righteousness is filthy rags.  All of it.  Talking about the Pope and his holiness.  All of our righteousness is filthy rags.  There’s none good.  They tried to psycho the master.  He was God incarnated in the physical body.  They tried to psycho Him, said, ‘Good master.’  Said, ‘Look here, what you call me good for?  There’s none good but God, so you, you, you psycho somebody else.’ (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) There’s none good but God.  Somebody said, ‘Well, I thought you said awhile ago that everything that God created.., didn’t He create the devil?’  Yes, He created the devil.  Said, ‘Well, he ain’t no good.’  Yes he is, sure he’s good.  ‘Good for what?’  Good for the purpose which God created him for.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  What’s the matter with you? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) God raised up pharaoh down there.  He did it.  What did He do that for?  Might show His power, how that He had real good power, then overthrowed him to show His power, get some glory.  See all them kinda things?

Well, somebody said, ‘Now look here, don’t you say God’s done something ____, that He created him.  Don’t you say that?’  Now, He said He did.  Now if you don’t believe it, I will read.  You can believe He does whether you want to or not.  Listen Wallace, by the very fact that God said what was good, it goes without saying that there’s something bad.  Doc, how did I do there, Doc?  Did I do all right?  Now listen, He had the authority to say what was good and what was bad, and you can’t condemn Him for the decisions that He makes, because as the Apostle Paul said, ‘Who hath known the mind of God that he might instruct Him?’  He says, ‘there’s none good.’  He wasn’t overlooking nothing down there.  He wasn’t overlooking Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  Enoch, he’s translated, and Elijah, he’s translated, without seeing death, him in the chariots of fire.  And then when he got there..  Said, ‘Well, I thought you said that he was ascended up into heaven in the chariot of fire.  And I thought you said that Enoch, the seventh from Adam was so good, and he be wa.., now here he’s setting down here talking to Nicodemus saying, no man ascended into heaven except, save the Son of Man which come down from heaven.’  Listen here, now here’s the part we didn’t get, setting right there on the seat.  You don’t believe me.  Would you mind reading that for me please?  I got in an awful argument down here and got some of my people knocked in the mouth about it, but I just wanna let you know it’s in the Book.  There He was setting right down there talking to Nicodemus, setting down there, talking with him and He said to Nicodemus, ‘No man ascended into heaven.’  ‘I thought you saved Enoch.’  Right here.  Now look, that’s before the flood.  That’s in the Antediluvian Age.  After the flood, Elijah ascended in chariots of fire.  Now that, that’s Enoch in the Antediluvian, Elijah in the Post, post means after, after the flood, in the antediluvian.  And now here comes the Messiah in that Age, He’s setting down there talking to Nicodemus.  And Nicodemus…  What’d He say to him?

Dr. Harris:  And no man hath ascended up to heaven

Dr. Kinley:  And now if Enoch was up there, he ain’t seen a thing of him.  Read, Dr. Harris.

Dr. Harris:  but he that came down from heaven

Dr. Kinley:  um hum.

Dr. Harris:  even the Son of Man which is in heaven.

Dr. Kinley:  Don’t you see that now?  Now, there He is setting right there, sitting there, talking to Nicodemus.  Ain’t that where the conversation is?  And in heaven.  Now we with our carnal minds say, ‘Well he ____ ____ white robes and He jumped on out of heaven, you oughta come on down here.’  Quit arguing about it, man, you don’t know nothing about what you’re talking about.  Carnal mind’s a terrible plague.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Somebody always talking about, ‘When the roll is called up yonder I’ll be there.’  You will.  Don’t worry.  A carnal mind is terrible.  Everybody will be there.  Everybody was back there in pure spirit to start with and everybody will be there.  Won’t be no missing either.  Nobody won’t have so much important other business to take care of but what won’t be there.  When the roll is called. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Yes indeed.

You know the things I’m saying to you, since when you explain ‘em, they are, they’re comical.  And it’s hard for us to even perceive how big a fool we’ve been.  You remember I told you when I first got on the floor, when I first got up here, you remember I told you that I used to be one of the greatest preachers you ever heard tell of?  Reverend Nobody in Town could beat me.  Yes indeed.  I bursted.  I used to wear suspenders and busted buttons off my pants.  ‘Yack, yack, yack, yack, yack, yack, yack.’  I had a wonderful imagination.  One day when God revealed the thing to me sitting down at home, I done got put out of church then, and I felt real bad about it too.  I didn’t know it was for my benefit.  And I thought, ‘As smart as I was, then…’  And that’s the way I felt about it.  And listen, I was classified as a bibliomaniac.  Can’t you see by that I’m not interested in you quoting scriptures and telling me chapters and verses and the other?  I was called a walking Bible.  Now one day I was sitting in my home and here it is God revealed the thing to me, and everything I thought was wrong.  A wonderful preacher like that being Assistant Pastor in a Holiness Church too, the Church of God, a Bible belt church, until He showed me how wrong about everything I thought.  I was wrong about the Godhead, wrong about the creation, wrong about everything, quoting the Bible, too.  That’s the way it is.  Now, until you’re born of God, you’re incapable and not qualified, I didn’t say you wasn’t qualified to read the Bible, but you’re not qualified to think in the spiritual realm.  A carnal mind just simply does not penetrate a spiritual realm.  The natural man, so says the apostle, he does not understand spiritual things, they are foolishness unto him, they’re real stupid.

Now, let me get back, I haven’t lost the continuity of thought.  Now, I told you about.., I’m picking up now, showing you, now I’m just connecting all I’ve been telling you, and that was the Spirit.  Remember I told you I knew all about what was written in the Book, from Genesis to Revelation, classified as a Bibliomaniac, a walking Bible?  Remember I told you nothing could prevent me from explaining His purpose and I’d inquire about Jesus at His coming?  Remember?  I haven’t lost the continuity of thought at all, and I mean to tell you that you’re just like me.  That’s all you have been accustomed to all of your life.  And they’re still saying ‘Jesus is coming.’  Well now, for your information, Jesus is not coming.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  So don’t start quoting cause I told you I could get ‘em where you quote, I know about it.  Trying to prove to me that Jesus is coming cause you can’t do that.  No sir.  The Bible does not teach that.  In the first place Jesus is wrong, in the second place Christ is wrong.  Both of ‘em wrong.  And what you should do is to conduct some kind of a research.  I didn’t say try to establish some kind of dogma and try to insist on somebody that you’re right.  You’ve been doing that all of your life.  That was not His name.  His name was not Jesus Christ.  Look up and try to find out who Jesus Christ is.  Justus Christus and where it come from.

Now, we wrote it in the book and sent the book all over the world.  And when we wrote it in the book and sent it all over the world, to the Vatican, to the International Council of Churches, the heads of ‘em, and it was discussed in New Delhi, India, and in Rome.  They admitted in both places that it was wrong.  And then wrote a book.  Don’t start, don’t you start no stuff with me.  Course now if you feel like you’d like to start some stuff I’ll surrender the floor.  I have surrendered it to atheists, agnostics, surrendered it to anybody.  And listen, don’t you be setting way back yonder near the, back there near the door someplace, ‘Hey, I’m the champion of the world.’  Come on up and get in the ring. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I didn’t say in the arena either.  I said in the ring.  That’s not ____.  ____ ____ and even your Bible tells you that.  That’s right, King James Version.  Now these are things that we need to learn.  God is a title, just like the President of the United States.  Who is he?  Everybody is ____ him.  John F. Kennedy was, but he’s not now, Lyndon B. Johnson is president now.  Yahweh is God.  That’s His name.  And as the Creator, having taken on shape and form…  Don’t start.  I told you not to start nothing with me, And there’s always somebody saying, ‘Look here, you don’t know who I am, you don’t know me.  I’ve been to Harvard.  I been to Princeton.  I got my credentials.  I got my diploma.  I know all about ancient history, medieval history, modern history.  I know all about the prehistoric’ and so forth and so on.  I told you where this was the place.  Ain’t that right, Bishop?

Bishop Short:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  You said while you was up here, saw up here, you’d been around a few days.

Bishop Short:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Have you?

Bishop Short:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Yes indeed.  You’ve been a couple places too, haven’t you?

Bishop Short:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And you said you knew what was going on out there too, didn’t you?

Bishop Short:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright.  Now he knows that that is His name.  Yahweh, that’s God’s name; and He don’t like to be called out of His name, cautioned about it any more so than you like to be called out of your name.

Now after we wrote the book, Dr. Allen’s got one there, after we wrote the book and sent it all over the world, now books is every which way is coming out, coming out of the Vatican and coming out of everyplace. ____ books and every other kinda thing, writing books and going back to the original name:  Yahweh, Elohim, Yahshua the Messiah.  And someone were wondering how it ever got, Jesus Christ ever got in our Books in the first place.  Well we went back in the history of that too.


Dr. Kinley:  And that’s the reason why so many Jews, they are not gonna accept Jesus Christ, because they don’t believe in God, that don’t believe, that don’t mean that they don’t believe in the Son of God.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  That, that’s a Hindu idol, sun god, Justus Christus.  Look it up in history.  Any good encyclopedia will tell you:  Britannic, Britannica Encyclopedia, Peoples Encyclopedia, Columbia Encyclopedia, Lincoln Library, anything.  And you look it up before you start arguing too.

This is a school.  Told you wasn’t trying to build no church.  We’re after the truth down here.  We don’t care nothing about what the other fella is doing and what he believes and what he teaches.  We’re not interested in that.  Somebody.., now we got invitations, always sending us invitations.  The Buddhists is sending us invitations to come to the Buddhist meeting, the Bahas (Bahais?) are sending us invitations to come to the Baha (Bahai?) meeting, the Yogis are sending us invitations to come to that.  Well, we just got a whole gang of invitations.  Yes, we’ve had debates with the smartest boys for 33 years, 35 years, from coast to coast, from New York to L.A., and from Oregon to Georgia.  Nobody’s ever won no debate fooling with me.  You’ll get your head cut off before you know it, and somebody will have to push and let it fall off on the ground before he even knows it’s cut off, cut to pieces.  And all you can hope to do is get up here and make a monkey out of yourself.

Now, listen, I haven’t lost the continuity of thought.  I’m looking at the purpose of…  first I’m looking at the Godhead, and then I’m looking at the creation.  I’m looking at the thing from a sum total.  Now Jonesy, if you don’t start right, you can’t end up right because God has declared the end from the beginning.  And the ending gonna be just like the beginning.  Now, listen, here’s a academic thing.  Now we’re talking about natural things.  We’re talking about faith under the Abrahamic Dispensation.  We’re talking about the, the law.  We told you, now listen, now from the very beginning, you remember I went back to Adam to show you, then I went into those ages to show you Enoch?  And then I come on in to show you Elijah?  Then I showed you that the difference between this dispensation here was 430 years before?  You remember that I told you that the man that did the service in the tabernacle was carnal?  The high priest.  And I told you that the folks were.  Isn’t that right?  I told you that all the ordinances was carnal.  All of them was natural because everything’s coming down that way.  God, from the creation of the world, the invisible is understood by the visible.

And now, in order to educate them in spiritual things, you give it to them literal first, physical; and that was all imposed on them til, til the time to let them in on it:  the revelation of God, which He kept hid within Himself until time.  And Isaiah said it this way, said, ‘Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for them that love Him.’  And then somebody got up here, you seen it done right here, ‘Oh that Paul said.’  Paul was just only repeating what Isaiah said.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Paul is a man, he’s just repeating what Isaiah said.  And you remember I told you that it was imposed on them until the time of the reformation?  Well, up until the time of the reformation it was hid in God until it was revealed.  So back there, all back there, all of that that they could look at and see:  man, everything else, sun, moon, stars, fish, sea, birds, and everything else, everything they could see, ‘Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for them that love Him.’  That’s Isaiah.  Now, but Paul puts one of them elastic buts, as Dr. Harris says.  Now ands, buts, and fors:  those are conjunctions that join together two complete thoughts.  Isaiah said that, and Paul repeated it and then put a but in it.  Said, ‘but God has revealed ‘em unto us,’ so we know what He’s prepared.  ‘How do you know about that?’  Said, ‘God revealed it.’  ‘How did He do that?’  By His spirit.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Said but the natural or the carnal man, he don’t understand.  And old Rev is out there this morning with his fingers stuck back in his ear talking about, ‘Look here, I’ll baptize you in Jesus’s name, and the Book says, Go ye therefore in all the world, preach the gospel to every creature, baptize them in the name of the Father, and in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Ghost,’ just about out of breath.  And, ‘Now you can go on and follow Kinley if you want to, I’m following what Jesus said.  I’m gonna baptize any candidate for baptism.’  And you stop them right there, stop them somewheres.  Now look, I’m not telling you about what, what, what might happen, this has already happened.  You stop ‘em right there and say, ‘Look here, you just baptize ‘em in the name of the Father.  You say, that’s what Jesus said.’  Now what is the name of the Father?  You can run up a tree right now.  Baptizing in the name of the Son.  What is the name of the Son?  ‘Jesus.’  We wrestled with Jesus ____ out here.  And in the name of the Holy Ghost.  Said, ‘now look, what is the name of the Holy Ghost?  Now you just got through saying that.  You say that’s what He said.’  Ain’t that right Doctor?  There he is with his robe on, he’s already to pool down behind ____.  ____ baptism.  ‘What are you gonna, what are you fixing to do?’  ‘Got to do what Jesus said.  I’m fixing to baptize you in the name of the Father and in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Ghost.’  ‘Alright, let’s, let’s go.’  Now, you go down the steps, now, listen, I’ve been there, I’ve did it according to the most particular, constructive, ritualistic performances, and I recited it precisely and exactly as it was.  And I have baptized many folks, so you see I don’t need no instructions on it.  And I put them down in the water.  This is what I said, they had me elected for that.  I did the baptizing.  This is what I said, ‘In obedience to the command of our Lord and Savior.’  Oh, I was careful about it too.  ‘Jesus Christ, I baptize this our beloved brother,’ I had his name, ‘Brother Robert Harris, in the name of the Father, God, and in the name of the Son, Jesus, and in the name of the Holy Ghost.’  I didn’t know what that was. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Padush.  Get it?  Now, I did that.

Now I.., you know why I mentioned that?  You possibly have lost the continuity of thought.  Well I haven’t.  Go back and read it, Dr. Harris and see if we lost the continuity of thought.  The ninth chapter of Hebrews, for the first tabernacle stood only in meats and drinks and divers washing and carnal ordinances

Dr. Harris:  which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices

Dr. Kinley:  Now do you see that?

Dr. Harris:  that could not make him that did the service perfect.

Dr. Kinley:  You’re reading number nine now.  That chapter.  Now, listen, nobody knows something about some other chapters and verses.  There’s some more that goes along with this.  That Hebrews you’re reading, ain’t it?

Dr. Harris:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Suppose you just read now the, the sixth chapter of Hebrews.

Dr. Harris:  Therefore leaving the principles

Dr. Kinley:   Wait a minute, Dr. Harris.  You got, therefore leaving.  Therefore is a conjunction.  Is that right?  Is that right, Bishop?

Bishop Short:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now you folks went to school and you so high academically trained.  I told you this is the place for it.  Therefore.  Now that chapter is divided there.  Now for you to get the, the, the, the subject, you have to go back in the fifth chapter.  Paul is telling the Hebrews, or the Jews, in the fifth chapter, when the time come that they ought to be instructors and teachers, teaching the people the reality of the thing, he said, ‘Ye have need that somebody teach you.’  Why?  Because, don’t you see?  All the natural was given to them back here, given to the Jews only, imposed on them until the Holy Ghost come, then when the Holy Ghost come, it taught them the meaning of these things.  And you remember I told you that they were dull of hearing, carnal minded, hard hearted?  They didn’t understand.  And Paul, now, he’s telling them that these, all these carnal…  Remember how careful I was to lay it out that all of these physical things was back there and everything in ordinances that Israel had was carnal.  You remember that?  Just got through reading it.  Now he says, therefore, since all the covenants, the doctrines, and everything was given to the Jews, God give it to them to give to the Gentiles.  When time come that they ought to have known and ought to have understood, when the blessing was supposed to be bestowed upon the Gentiles, the time come that they ought to have known, they have need of somebody teaching them.  And they’re still running around doing the natural things, just like they’re doing all over Christendoom.  Alright read on.

Dr. Harris:  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ

Dr. Kinley:  Now, therefore leaving the principles

Dr. Harris:  of the doctrine of Christ,

Dr. Kinley:  of the doctrine of Christ.

Dr. Harris:  let us go on

Dr. Kinley:  Now, listen, you can’t stay and leave off at the same time.

Student Body: Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Either you is or you just ain’t.  How’s that, how’s my language?  My language coming all right?  Yes sir.  You must is or you must ain’t. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) ____ ____.  You are where you was in the first place, if you haven’t left.  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, is that right?

Dr. Harris:  not laying again

Dr. Kinley:  not laying again

Dr. Harris:  the foundation for repentance

Dr. Kinley:  the foundation for repentance

Dr. Harris:  from dead works

Dr. Kinley:  From dead works.

Dr. Harris:  and of

Dr. Kinley:  Dead.  You heard me, I said dead.  Dead works.  Say, ‘What’s dead?’  All the carnal ordinances that was given to Israel:  water baptism, foot washing, eating literal feasts of passovers.  Somebody said, ‘You don’t understand.  Jesus instituted that.  Matthew 26:26.’  I beg your pardon, He didn’t.  Well somebody said, ‘You prove He didn’t.’  Since we have to go back to the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let’s see what He said.  Hold it there and we’ll be right back, Doc.  Matthew 5:17.

Reader:  Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets

Dr. Kinley:  Now He told the Jews don’t you think, don’t think that, don’t you think that I come to destroy the law and the prophets.  Read.

Reader:  I am not come to destroy

Dr. Kinley:  I am not come to destroy

Reader:  but to fulfill.

Dr. Kinley:  I have come to institute.  What’s a matter with you, can’t you read?  Said, ‘He instituted it.’  You get the point?  You said He instituted water baptism and sent you out there to baptize.  You said He instituted the Lord’s Supper.  You said He instituted foot washings.  You said, ‘I’m following in the footsteps of the Lord Jesus, you can go ahead on and follow Kinley.’  I’m throwing it up to you now, what you said.  And I’ve been all on that.  Now, He said, now He wasn’t instituting, said He was fulfilling, fulfilling that which was already instituted.  Now, here’s where it was instituted to the Jews.  The carnal ordinances.  Them that are dead.  How’d they get killed?  He fulfilled them and they’re nailed to the cross out there.  That put an end to it.  Them carnal ordinances imposed on them until the time of the reformation.

And listen, the devil has done played the thing so long.  Now I’m telling you ____ ____ things.  He done played this thing so long until now he can’t afford to have his church ____.  He’s gonna keep right on baptizing somebody in the water.  He’s gonna keep right on eating suppers.  And the hard shelled Baptist, that’s what they call ____ primitive.  I’ve got another order that fits nice, or the ‘hard headed‘ Baptist.  You said hard shelled or the primitive, I say the hard shelled or the primitive or the hard headed.  Now, I was just as stiff and stubborn as anybody else, so I don’t have nothing to do no boasting about.  Now, look, He fulfilled all of these carnal ordinances that was under this dispensation, so that the promise should come upon the children of obedience preached on the Day of Pentecost when the restoration takes place.  He said for the promise is unto you and unto your children and them that are afar off.  ____  said, didn’t He?  Now who’s afar off.  The Gentiles, they had to come in, wasn’t any of them there.  We’re far off.  How far off?  About 1523 years.  Get the point?  When it come now.., when it come to the Jews, the Jew first, I think you can see it better on this chart over here, Day of Pentecost, then seven years after that it come upon, the promise come upon the Gentiles.  Peter down at Cornelius’ house preaching the gospel.  And while Peter was down there preaching, (BELL RINGS) Cornelius received the Holy Spirit; come upon the Gentiles.

I’ll have you to know too, so don’t get that all messed up, you think that was Cornelius’ first____ation, that’s his first knowledge of Him.  No, no.  The Book said so.  Cornelius had been serving God for a long time.  Yes indeed, and even built the Jews a synagogue, I ain’t got time to talk about that, and had a talk with Jesus when He was here in the flesh.  Went to Him, remember he’s a centurion, went to Him and asked Him to, said, come from Caesarea, about a day’s journey up to Jerusalem, and said to Him, said, ‘Look here master, my servant lays home sick of…’  Said, ‘Now you just speak the word and my servant shall be healed.’  He’s a Gentile.  ‘No need to give me no invitation to come in your house, because I’m not fit, I’m not worthy.  Just speak the word and my servant shall be healed.’  And Jesus spoke the words and he looked at the sun, the sun dial.  When he gets back home, he says to him after he gets back home, he says, ‘ yes,’ he said, ‘He’s better.’  Said, ‘Well what time did this take place?’  He said, ‘When did he start getting better?’ Said, just about told him what time it was, when he got.., ____ ____.  Said, ‘Yes, just about that time when He spoke the words.’ (DR.  KINLEY LAUGHS) Just about that time when he got back home.  And the master said this, said He hadn’t found so great a faith, He didn’t say offering up sacrifices, He didn’t…  Why there was people around there that offered up far more bullocks and turtledoves.  They had a daily ministration.  The high priest went in and out there in the Holy Place three times a day, the hour of prayer, and sacrifices was offered up every day punctual.  But He hadn’t found that great a faith in all, all, among all the Jews.  Why?  Cause the Gentiles is coming in by faith; and the Jews worked to the letter.

Somebody said, ‘When, when Peter was preaching they got the Holy Ghost.’  Yes, they did.  Now you watch.  And I’ve had the preachers on the carpet about it.  Then after Peter got the Holy Ghost, Peter recommended that he be baptized too.  Yes, Peter done that.  Don’t try to take it off of him, because he done that.  And when he got through with his recommendations, he had the Holy Ghost seven years before, when he got through with him.  Now what God was doing, was bringing them in according to the way He made the promise to Abraham, by faith, not by the works of the law.  So God is bringing the Gentiles in, you can see right here, seven years ____ ____ Pentecost.


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