42) 1974: TEMPLE AND COVENANTS
by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley
audio cassette recording received from Sal Corro
1 90 minute audio cassette
Catalog #: 74 TC
transcribed by Linda Joyner
first proofreading: Alonza (Alonzo?) Joyner,
Sylvia Maclin, and Marquel Patton
second proofreading: Michael Rothstein
third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein
fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee
approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997
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Dr. Kinley: Peace. Now I meant that. If you’ll notice when Yahshua the Messiah, that’s primarily the way that He greeted His own. Peace be unto you. Now that meant something.
And we already advised the emcee to ask you to be quiet, to be still and don’t annoy somebody else sitting beside you. Don’t keep up any noise in the back. Now we already realize that it’s impossible to see these small pictures drawn on these charts in the back. That’s the reason why we have asked that if any of the visitors that come, we want you to come to the front so you can see what is on these charts because it is a divine vision and revelation direct from Yahweh. And it is no two ways about it, it’s real, it’s genuine, it’s true, it’s irrefutable and undeniable.
Now, I’m not gonna go through a long preliminary of telling you about the vision and so forth and so on which is illustrated on these charts, but it is incumbent upon this school to tell you the truth about the existence of God and about the erroneous doctrines that are preached and taught in the world. Now that’s our problem, that’s our job. And I’d like for you to read the same thing in Matthew the 24th chapter, 14th and 15th verses primarily. Read.
Dr. Harris: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations and then shall the end come.
Dr. Kinley: Now folks, it’s just like this. This Gospel of the Kingdom, so said Yahshua the Messiah, not Jesus Christ. Said, this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be, not may be, preached in all the world. What for? For a witness. The end cannot come unless this Gospel is preached. Now when you speak of the end, lotta people don’t realize that the world has ended twice before. They hadn’t even heard nothing about it. They don’t know when it happened. They wasn’t taught anything at all about it.
Well, now that gives us another problem. And you’d be surprised, if you’d just set still in your seat. And we want to give you permission to ask questions after you have heard what we have talked about on the subject. Foolish and unlearned questions avoid, so says the apostle. Why so? Because they stir up strife. Now we’re not gonna ask no foolish and unlearned questions. We’re not gonna take time to talk about those things only just call your attention to it. Now it’s a fool question, it wouldn’t seem like it, for you to ask somebody, ‘what church do you belong to?’ Now that’s a fool question. It sounds intelligent. Now why is it foolish? Because it ain’t but one for you to belong to. That’s why it’s foolish to ask what one do you belong to when there is but one to belong to in the first place. Right?
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Now, what we have tried our best to do in the last lecture that we gave was to point out Yahweh to you and tell you about His eternal purpose through the dispensations and ages. Now that’s what we tried to do. I regret that I’m forced to tell you that the world out there in Christendoom knows absolutely nothing about it. Now that would seem like that’s hard to say, too. And then somebody would come along and say this: ‘say, do you think that you people down there are the only ones that have the truth? Do you think that?’ No, we’re not supposed to be thinking, we’re supposed to know. And so are you. Now, I want you to read, start up there in Matthew in the 24th chapter and then we’ll get down to business. Now don’t forget, I want you to understand this right now before you read any further. We just asked you to read Matthew 24:14 and 15. Now what we want you to know now about it, before you start to read, which is already spoken something about it. And that is this: that the world has ended twice before. He did not say what He’s saying here in the 24th chapter of Matthew, He did not say that in this world or in this age or in this dispensation. He did not say it, but some of the things that He said referred to this dispensation. Now the boys they asked. Now you pay attention as you read. You pay attention. And we wanna prove to you too that the world has ended twice before. Now the Book said that, the Bible… But we want you to read now in the 24th chapter of Matthew. Now here are some questions that’s put point blank to Yahshua the Messiah by His own disciples. Read.
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua went out and departed from the temple.
Dr. Kinley: And Yahshua went out and departed from the Herodian Temple. Now that’s this temple that was builded up here in Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. And as they went out and departed from the temple. Then what happen?
Dr. Harris: And His disciples came to Him for to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Dr. Kinley: Now His disciples come to Him for to show Him the buildings of the temple. Now listen here. Now these are His own disciples that have been following Him around for a long time. They did not know that that temple was a figure of His body. Now they’re gonna show Him something about it, how magnificent and how glorious it was. And what did He say?
Dr. Harris: And Yahshua said unto them, see ye not all these things?
Dr. Kinley: Now He said, See ye not all of these things? Now He’s fixing to show them something now. Alright, read on.
Dr. Harris: Verily I say unto you.
Dr. Kinley: Now verily I say unto you.
Dr. Harris: There shall not be left here one stone upon another
Dr. Kinley: There shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down. Is that almost what you got there? I don’t mean to be r.., I have you to read it and then me run ahead of you, but I know what’s in the Book. Now He said there will not be one stone left there on top of another that should not be thrown down of that temple. Now they thought that was a magnificent building and they just thought it would stand erect there for ages or for a long, long time, but Yahshua assured them that it would not stand there. But I’ll say this. It stood there until AD 70 and Titus, the Roman emperor, come up from Rome when Rome was ruling the world. It was the last universal dynasty to rule the world. And Titus come up from Rome, and tore that building completely down in AD 70, just razed it to the ground. There wasn’t left nothing. Now that temple as I told you was a figure of His body. Now if that be the case, that that temple was a figure of His body, and He came in the world, so He said, to die to be crucified. Then that meant that the building had to come down. You see that now? Now that would be, but they didn’t know nothing about it. They didn’t understand nothing about it.
And that’s not all that you ought to know about that building. I’ll tell you what else you ought to know about it. Hold your finger on where you got there and look in Acts 17 and 28, I believe it is, and read there. This is the Apostle Saul in Athens, Greece in Mars Hill talking to the Grecians.
Dr. Harris: Acts 17 and 24.
Dr. Kinley: Acts 17 and 24.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh who made the world
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh Who made the world
Dr. Harris: And all things therein
Dr. Kinley: And all things therein
Dr. Harris: Seeing that He is ruler of heaven and earth.
Dr. Kinley: Seeing that He is ruler of heaven and earth.
Dr. Harris: He dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
Dr. Kinley: When are you gonna learn that? He just simply does not dwell in temples made by hands. Now if He doesn’t dwell in temples made by hands, then you oughta become aware of the fact that Saint Peter’s Basilica, Yahweh just simply doesn’t dwell there. Second Chronicles 28 and 19, I believe it is.
Reader: First Chronicles.
Dr. Kinley: First Chronicles. Now we’re talking about this temple. Now we have.., people have always thought this, that God in Leviticus 16 and 2 dwelled in the tabernacle between the wings of the cheribums. And that was a figure of His body and so also wasn’t the temple. One is a figure of the earthly and the other is a figure of His heavenly body. One was built down here in the wilderness and it was carried cross the River Jordan and set out there on Mount Zion until the temple was erected, Solomon’s temple. And then it was dismantled and moved into Solomon’s temple.
Now listen, I’m talking pretty deep now. Now we just read that He didn’t dwell in temples made by hands and He told them over here to build the tabernacle in the 24th chapter, I believe it is, of Exodus, that He might dwell therein. Then, it would seem that, that He dwells in temples made by hands. But now when Solomon erected this temple, He said that that house which he had builded could not contain Him at all and neither could just that little tabernacle setting out there which is a more limited structure than the temple. Now then that would bring up what we’ve got before us at the present time: if Yahweh don’t dwell in temples made by hands, where does He dwell? Now you know what that will do if I just told you the truth about that? It would just wipe out all of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, so called, because they say He doesn’t dwell in a man. Said, ‘the Holy Spirit is not in any man.’ Well that had never been preached back there. They’ve also denied the promise that Yahweh said He would put His spirit within you. Now what I’m trying to show you is this. Now these structure are types and shadows. They’re just only figures, figures of heavenly body and also a figure of your physical body.
And now look, Yahweh, now listen close, don’t dwell in totality in you. You’re too small for that. But it is in Him that all ____ we live and move and have our being. Now, Dr. Harris, I want you to read I Chronicles.
Dr. Harris: I Chronicles 28:19.
Dr. Kinley: I Chronicles 28:19.
Dr. Harris: All this said David.
Dr. Kinley: Now David was the king of Israel. Alright. All this said David.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh made me understand.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh made me understand; in other words, He made him to understand how to build that temple. Yahweh made him understand that. Now we wanna find out how He made him understand it and if you can understand that, then you oughta understand something about your relation to Yahweh. Read.
Dr. Harris: Yahweh made me understand in writing by His hand upon me even all the works of this pattern.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? He made him understand, David understand, by writing upon him. Man is made in the image and likeness of Yahweh Elohim. So if he’s made in the image and likeness of Him, what He’s done was just went over the physical body. And it’s a natural, physical body that is a figure of the incorporeal or spiritual embodiment. Do you understand? Now that’s, that’s the way I.., if you could just understand that, that would just stop so much of the debates and arguments about your church down on the street corner. But now, we understand that now. I think you ought to read the sixth chapter of first Corinthians and the 19th verse. Now we’re talking about Israel and the tabernacle.
Dr. Kinley: What!
Reader: Know ye not
Dr. Kinley: Don’t you know, that’s the way we would put it in our language in our day. What! It’s cause he was surprised that you was that stupid not to understand that. What! Don’t you know, that what?
Reader: That your body
Dr. Kinley: That your body
Reader: Is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Dr. Kinley: is the temple. Your body is the temple, not the thing down on the street corner.
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Dr. Kinley: 14th chapter of John, to prepare a place for us. And if He.., He said if He’d go away, He’ll come again and receive us unto Himself. And where He is, there we shall also be. Now He didn’t say that in this world. He said that in the age before. Now what was He in the age before, under the dispensation of the law? He was the Son of Yahweh. Is that right?
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: He said in the 14th chapter of John that the Father dwelt in Him. That’s what He ____. Now He said He was going away or going to prepare a place for you. Well, where is the place? Somebody thought what He done, got up here on Mount of Olives, I’m gonna keep the thing in front of you, got out here on the Mount of Olives and ascended on the cloud, and went on into heaven, way up above the sun, moon and stars and He hasn’t got back yet. Now that’s what they been telling you. That’s not so. And they are telling us… Now you pay attention because I’m trying to teach, I’m not trying to preach, of course true teaching is preaching. But now the place that He prepared for us, it wasn’t in heaven, up above the sun, moon and stars or some where like that. And then He’s gonna come back and get you and escort you to your apartment or your dwelling in the sky. Now it’s just not like that. Now that’s a lie that we been told all of our lives.
Then where is the place that He prepared for you? When He was walking around in the flesh, now I’m demonstrating now. When He was walking around in the flesh under the dispensation of the law, He was Yahweh incarnated in a physical body. That’s who He was. Now when He went away, that’s to say took off the flesh. And on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2 and 4, He poured out the Holy Spirit which is within you. Then that means you’re what? I’ll have you to read it. You ain’t gonna set up and tell me this junk, and not to make you no Christian. I can tell you that, because He was not no Christian. If His name was Jesus Christ, He wouldn’t be no Christian because Christian means Christ like. What He wasn’t Christ like, He was He Himself. Did you understand that, didn’t you? It seems kind of prudent saying these things blunt like that, but that’s how it is. But now, we wanna, we wanna find out, we wanna find out now, what we’re supposed to be. People say Roman Catholic. People say Baptist, and Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Christians. Read, John, the first epistle of John, third chapter, verse one.
Dr. Harris: Behold, what manner of love.
Dr. Kinley: Now look folks. Now pay attention. Now that’s the thing we’ve tried to get you to do is to pay attention. Behold or beloved. Listen now, what manner of love is this that the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called Christians.
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well read what’s in the Book.
Dr. Harris: That we should be called the Sons of Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: That we should be called the Sons of Yahweh. Now what did I bring that up for? Now He went away to prepare a place for you. And He was the Son of Yahweh and Yahweh was dwelling in that body. So now when He put His Spirit in you in this dispensation, you are now where He was then. That’s the place He prepared for you. In the previous ages they didn’t have the Holy Spirit like that. Yes I know all the prophets prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven but it didn’t abide with them forever. When the communication or the message was over with, if departed from ‘em. When He said in this age He come to abide with you forever, always, even unto the end of the age. We haven’t got that learned yet. And to tell you the truth, you just don’t believe it.
And then let me tell you this. If He come walking down the street. Paul said, henceforth know we no man no more after the flesh, although we have known Him, Yahshua the Messiah, after the flesh, we won’t know Him no more after the flesh. And He come walking down the street, walked up to you in the flesh, you wouldn’t know Him. And then they didn’t know Him back here, when ____ ____. The Book said if they had known Him, they would not have crucified him. So Him being crucified was evidence that they didn’t know Him. If they didn’t know Him then and He was right with Him, they wouldn’t know Him now. You see the point?
Now look here folks. You all get in your place that He prepared for you. You’d be surprised how much ____ among these so called righteous people, I didn’t say Christians.
Beloved, what manner of love is this. That’s beloved. Now every pastor say that. The Baptists say it, First epistle of John, chapter one, chapter three, verse one, say, ‘beloved, we Baptist are beloved.’ Roman Catholics say, ‘beloved, what manner of love is this,’ they’re all reading and repeating out of the same Bible, that the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the Sons of Yahweh. The King James version says that too. Try it and see.
Edward Mixon: First John, third chapter. Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us.
Dr. Kinley: Now He’s talking about them that have become a recipient of the Holy Spirit and was in the place where Yahweh had prepared for them. Alright read on.
Edward Mixon: That we should be called the Sons of God.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? It don’t say Christians… Does it?
Student Body: No.
Dr. Kinley: Well, it’s bad and it’s a very discouraging thing to try to tell people the truth about all these errors the people have made and how you have been so badly deceived all your life. Then just to, just to take common, common sense. And you don’t have to a prim.., a college education, don’t have to graduate from no university. None of that. Freddy Allen, now it’s stupid for me to ask you what your Father’s name was.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Right.
Dr. Kinley: If I know your name is Freddy Allen, I also know that you, you’ve got your father’s name, Allen.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Then if that be the case, then how could it be Lord, God, and Jesus Christ. There’s no similarity between none of ‘em. Now look folks, a lotta people say, ‘listen, my Bible says the Lord, God and Jesus Christ. That’s what my Bible says.’ Well I’ve got some news for you. That is erroneously put in there. It does not belong and it was not it the original Bible. Anybody can get an encyclopedia at a book store and it will tell you that Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua is the correct name. How about that? Then so far as the Holy Spirit not being in any man, his body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Is that what you read? Now let’s see whether it’s him. Acts 2:4, 5, 6. This time look it up. Ezekiel 36:24 and 25. Is that, is that right Dr. Harris?
Dr. Harris: Yes sir.
Dr. Kinley: Ezekiel. Is that right in Ezekiel?
Dr. Harris: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Jeremiah. We’ll tell you what’s in the Book now. Jeremiah 31:31. Now what we’re trying to find out whether or not that Yahweh promised to put His Holy Spirit in you. And I could just.., I could tell you some more, that they ain’t gonna believe. I could just go on and tell you about Joel if you want me to. Joel 2:28. It’s in there. That’s what Peter is talking about on the Day of Pentecost. Alright. Now what we’re trying to find out now, the Jehovah Witnesses say that the Holy Spirit is not in any man but it’s a vital force upon you.
They say that too. The black muslims. They say all ____, the so called the honorable Elijah Muhammad, that all white people was the devil or demons. Now don’t start no argument with me cause they beat me up about it. Don’t start no stuff with me. Now here the other day since the old man passed, his son, Wallace made this statement, that if the white people would respect them, they would respect the white people. And they are now receiving the white people in their religious faith.
Malcolm X went over seas and he found out that there was a lotta white people that was muslims, they belonged to the muslim faith. And he come back convicted and convinced. Now for your information, I been over there too. So I don’t have to make no inquiries about it. Dr. Harris you went along with me.
Dr. Harris: Right.
Dr. Kinley: Dr. Dennis, you went along with me.
Dennis Droulard: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: Now I’m just showing you the erroneous doctrines that are taught which people are.., have those satanic spirits incarnated in ‘em standing up for color and all like that. The white folks against the black folks and the black folks against the white folks. I have to say it one more time. There ain’t none of you black folks going to heaven. None of you white folks going. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) The Bible says so, not me.
Student Body: Right.
Dr. Kinley: So now you can forget that and start on. You get what I mean? 15th chapter of first Corinthians says this, now this I say brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. See that now? Flesh and blood just can’t do that. But listen, listen one more time, but your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Now we wanna find out whether the Holy Spirit is in, is in anybody. Jehovah Witnesses say that it’s not, that it is not, they say it’s a vital force upon you. Alright, read. Ezekiel. Let’s start back there.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Then will I sprinkle water upon you, clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean.
Dr. Kinley: Where are you reading? Somebody put down the verse.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Ezekiel 36 and 25.
Dr. Kinley: Ezekiel 36 and 25. Now who said this?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you.
Dr. Kinley: Who said this?
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Yahweh Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: Yahweh said that. Says I will sprinkle clean water upon you. Now just a minute Williams, just a minute. You don’t have no business with no bib around your neck saying somebody come along and sprinkle clean water upon you. ____ You follow that? Yahweh said He was gonna do that. You couldn’t do it now, because the water is polluted. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Contaminated. ____ your natural body. Now that’s right. So there’s no clean water for you to put on anybody. Now your brain is covered with the purest water that there is. And the mind functions through the brain and it hasn’t washed that carnality out of you. What good will somebody with a bib around your neck sprinkling some water on you or somebody punching you down in a puddle of water… That’s stupidity, colossal ignorance.
And while I got you here, I’m gonna tell you the same thing again tonight. I guess you’re just about tired of hearing it now, and that’s this. You can’t find no place in your Bible, now I’m talking about from Genesis to Revelations, I’m gonna get this, get this one over to you too. Now you start hunting, if you think you know where it is you tell us about it and we’ll read it. Now everybody ____. You show me in your Bible where Yahweh, Elohim, Yahshua, the Father, the Word or Son or the Holy Spirit, Lord, God or Jesus Christ, Jehovah or Adonai, now listen, in the history of the world, anywhere between Genesis and Revelations, anywhere, ever said anything about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water. Read it to me, I never read it. It’s not in the Bible. If you think it’s in there, hold up your hand. Now we got a lot of people in trouble there. I told you this was a school. Now you been reading out there. Bishop Short, you read it out there. He’s not only a bishop but an archbishop. Yes, that’s another Baptist preacher, a former Baptist preacher. And yes that’s another bishop out of the Church of Christ, come up here to lick me, being smart. Been here six years or seven years or somewhere around there.
LaSalle Williams: 13.
Dr. Kinley: Thirteen years and he ain’t got me licked yet. (STUDENT BODY LAUGH) Can you find any place in the Bible where I just said.
LaSalle Williams: I used to ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Dr. Kinley: What happened? Can you find any place in there Bishop? Can you find any place in there? Dr. Gross, you’re the president of this school and you been baptized about four or five times. How many times have you been baptized? About four times? Did it do anything? Did it wash away any sins from you? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
Now look folks, I want you to pay attention now. This is not comical. But it’s showing us how stupid we were and how little did we understand about our own Bible. Now, look here, all the Children of Israel come out of Egypt after the passover and they went through the Red Sea and was baptized in the cloud and in the sea. You’ve read that enough times in the 10th chapter of first Corinthians. Now Freddy,
Fred Allen, Jr.: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: We don’t want that fixed. We want you to let that stay like it is. Meaning this: there wasn’t anyone come out of there and got through the Red Sea and on the other side there alive but Jews. No Gentiles. Now the Gentiles, they got in the Red Sea and water, they got drownded. That oughta be a lesson to you. Now if that’s true, if that’s true. 10th chapter of first Corinthians says there…
And incidentally, since we’re talking about that. Now listen to what I’m gonna say to you. Millions of people did not know. And incidentally didn’t enter in at all the minds that belong to this school.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: You didn’t know that Yahshua who you called Jesus Christ was back there with Moses until I told you.
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: You belong to this school many years and didn’t know. How about that? Ambassador College just learned that last year. They didn’t even know He was back there with Moses. Then I have a question I pose to you. Then you, look over there in Hebrews, we’re coming back to where you was at reading in Matthew. Ezekiel 36 and 25,24,25. But now look over here in Hebrews and find this one thing, that He was the author and finisher.
Fred Allen, Jr.: Hebrews 12:2.
Dr. Kinley: Hebrews 12:2. But, Read.
Edward Mixon: Looking unto Yahshua.
Dr. Kinley: No, the first verse.
Edward Mixon: Wherefore seeing we are also compassed.
Dr. Kinley: Wherefore. Now look, wherefore seeing we are surrounded or compassed about
Edward Mixon: with so many
Dr. Kinley: with so great a cloud of witnesses.
Edward Mixon: cloud of witnesses. Let us lay aside every weight.
Dr. Kinley: Let us lay aside all them drawbacks, every weight. And what else?
Edward Mixon: And the sin which doeth so easily beset us.
Dr. Kinley: And the sin which doth so easily beset us.
Edward Mixon: And let us run the.., with patience.
Dr. Kinley: And let us run with patience.
Edward Mixon: The race that is set before us.
Dr. Kinley: The race that is set before us.
Edward Mixon: Looking unto Yahshua.
Dr. Kinley: Looking un… Read it out of the King James version. What does it say?
Edward Mixon: Looking unto Jesus.
Dr. Kinley: Now Doc, Read on.
Edward Mixon: The author and finisher of our faith.
Dr. Kinley: Listen folks, listen. There’s no way under the Sun for Him to be the author and finisher of your faith without being back here in the… There’s no way for Him to be. He was the author, meaning that He was right along with them when they come out here. He went right up into the mountain with Moses, showed him the creation of heaven and earth; making Him the author and the finisher. And here they are in this school all this long time and you didn’t even know that He was back there. And yet and still you walking around with your chest all stuck out and you thought you was smart, cause you could pull a few verses and a few chapters, and didn’t even know that. To tell you the truth, man just don’t realize how stupid he really is. His mind is blinded with his ignorance, carnal, to be carnal minded.., read the scripture lesson here. To be carnal minded is death. Then listen here folks. Would you pay attention to what I’m saying Mickey.
Dr. Kinley: I’m not just up here talking to be talking ____ ____ Now pay attention folks. There was no carnal ordinance, not a carnal ordinance or not a natural, not a physical, no ordinance ever given to a Gentile in the history of the world: that includes water baptism, that includes Lord’s Suppers, that includes foot washing and many other ordinances. None of it was ever given to the Gentiles in the history of the world. Now you tell me where you’re gonna go so I’ll know where to go to learn that. There isn’t anywhere for you to go. You just might as well come back to 1040.19
Student Body: That’s right.
Dr. Kinley: That’s right. Now somebody will say this, said, ‘I could have showed you something in the Bible where water washed away a man’s sins.’ No, you ain’t showing me nothing like that in no Bible. Now here’s the stupidity of it. Now, if water washed away the sins…
I want you to see this, the Children of Israel, the Jews, they come through there and were baptized in the cloud and in the sea, they never got wet. Now here comes along John the Baptist, just like Moses was burying, then here comes along John the Baptist. Now pay attention, before Yahshua the Messiah died for our sins, are you listening, you sure, and he baptized nobody but the Jews. He baptized ‘em before Yahshua the Messiah hung out there on the cross. Everybody can pretty much see that figure up there. Now you know yourself, if water washed away your sins, and John baptized ‘em before He died, then it was stupid, it was ignorant, and you have made Yahshua the Messiah, whom you call Jesus Christ, a stupid person for going out there on Golgotha and dying out there for our sins when the waters done already washed ‘em away. See that now? You can’t deny that. You can’t gainsay it either. You might try but you can’t. Now Paul said in the 15 chapter of first Corinthians that if we preach that He died for our sins according to the scriptures, and rose again the third day. If He didn’t do that, we’re yet in our sins, and we’re false witnesses. Is that what he said?
Now, what we’re trying to find out now is this. We’re trying to find out whether this story that Jehovah, so called Jehovah Witnesses, is telling the folks, going around knocking, annoying everybody. ____ ____ They are annoying, they’re annoying. I got to the place where I, where I just get provoked with ‘em. They don’t want you to say nothing to them, they wanna tell you the truth, so they say. And know good and well that Jehovah is wrong, and yet and still they insist that they’re Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now what we’re trying to find out. Now they’re saying that Yahweh didn’t put His spirit in no man, that’s what they teach, but it’s a vital force upon him. Now we’re trying to find out whether that’s so or not. And I’ll have you to read it, start to reading in Ezekiel 36 and 25, 24 and 5.
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Dr. Carl F. Gross: Then, then will I sprinkle clean water upon you.
Dr. Kinley: Then will I sprinkle, that’s Yahweh that said that.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: And ye shall be clean.
Dr. Kinley: And ye shall be clean.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: From all of your filthiness.
Dr. Kinley: From all of your filthiness. He’s talking to Israel. Alright.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: All your idols.
Dr. Kinley: And all your idols. Alright, read on.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: Will I cleanse you.
Dr. Kinley: Will I cleanse you.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: A new heart also will I give you.
Dr. Kinley: A new heart also will I give you.
Dr. Carl F. Gross: And a new spirit will I put within you.
Dr. Kinley: No doc. Why don’t you try reading what’s in the Bible. Don’t you know Jehovah’s Witnesses say that He ain’t gonna do nothing like that? Yahweh said He will put within you. Now you know what within you means. Now that’s Ezekiel said that. See what Jeremiah’s got to say about it. 31 and 31.
Edward Mixon: Behold the days come, saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Behold the days come, saith Yahweh.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant.
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Dr. Kinley: I don’t have to ask you who said that. You heard it, saith Yahweh.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: That I will make a new covenant with. Now just a minute. Just a minute. Just a minute. Now Mickey if we wasn’t so stupid, we could see that this covenant that He made back there was with the house of Israel. Now listen folks. Pay attention. And all of these, everything that they had back there was carnal ordinances. I mean Passover suppers, water baptism, foot washing, offering up sacrifices. All.., every bit of it was carnal ordinances was given strictly to nobody else but the Jews. Now here comes Christendoom practicing it now. That was in another world or another age. Do you follow? Alright. Now He’s saying here.
Edward Mixon: Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Behold the days come, it hadn’t come yet.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now He’s gonna make, now He said He’s gonna make a new covenant with the house of Israel. Now you pay attention. Now if you pay attention and you take this home with you, it’ll help you. If you don’t take it home with you and you don’t accept what the Book says here, then you, you didn’t benefit by coming down here. That means we’ll certainly meet again. Definitely so. You won’t get by going on. ‘I’m just going right on. I been in this thing so long, and I’m just going right on. I ain’t gonna pay no attention to what Kinley said. He don’t know what he’s talking about.’ If I don’t know what I’m talking about.., you see Yahweh said that. That’s what He said. So don’t point and tell nobody I said it. Alright read.
Edward Mixon: That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel.
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that?
Edward Mixon: And with the house of Judah.
Dr. Kinley: And with the house of Judah.
Edward Mixon: Not according to the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now you pay attention. Not according to the covenant of carnal ordinances that were back here under the dispensation of the law. I ain’t gonna make another one like that. And you yourself would think that He was stupid to make another one just like the one He made when He said they broke it. Do you hear that Mickey?
Edward Mixon: Yes.
Dr. Kinley: Alright, read on.
Edward Mixon: Not according the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them.
Dr. Kinley: Now I didn’t say they broke it, Yahweh said they broke the Old Covenant. When they had the carnal ordinances, they broke ‘em. When they had water baptisms, when they had foot washing, when we offered up the sacrifices, and them that did the miscellaneous laws, Lord’s Suppers ____ ____. Now Yahweh said they broke ‘em. Now here’s standing your pastor in this day and age, on almost every street corner talking about are you getting baptized, you are a candidate for baptism and belonging to the Baptist Church. And that’s what you tried to tell me too. Is that right? Okay. And you believe the Bible too ____. I don’t have nothing to do no boosting and bragging about, I baptized a lotta folks, ate Lord’s Suppers and washed feet and everything else. I said, I’ve done any thing that another preacher would do within the Church of God fifteen years. And I would still be doing it if Yahweh hadn’t revealed the truth to me. Alright read.
Edward Mixon: But, 33rd verse. But this shall be the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: Now wait a minute. Now this shall be the covenant. Now what we’re trying to find out is is whether the Holy Spirit abides within a man or whether it’s a vital force upon him or.., that’s what we’re trying to find out about, since Jehovah Witnesses say that it isn’t. Now read.
Edward Mixon: But this shall be the covenant.
Dr. Kinley: This is gonna to be the covenant.
Edward Mixon: That I will make with the house of Israel after those days.
Dr. Kinley: That I will make with the house of Israel after those days.
Edward Mixon: Saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: Saith what?
Edward Mixon: Saith Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley: I see. That wasn’t ____. Do you see what I mean? Saith Yahweh. Now listen, this is what it is. Read.
Edward Mixon: I will put my law in their inward parts.
Dr. Kinley: No, it cannot be. Now look. Look up here. Here’s the tabernacle. That law, the ten commandment law was laid in the ark of the covenant in the tabernacle. And this tabernacle, relates to you, he said it was a figure of your body. And He said that He will appear between the wings of the cheribums. He called Moses standing out here at the burning bush, He said He wanted him to go back down in Egypt and bring the people out. Later, He called him up in the mount and showed him, transfigured into the tabernacle and then told him to take up an offering from the Children of Israel and build Him a tabernacle. Now somebody wanna argue and chew the rag about it. Says, ‘the Bible doesn’t say that Yahweh dwells in a man, says He will appear.’ It does say He will appear, in the Bible, in Leviticus 16:2, it says He’ll appear there. But He told Moses to build that tabernacle that He might dwell. Now if you don’t think it says that, I’ll read it. I’m getting sick and tired of people running round here with limited stupidity when you trying to tell them something. I know what’s in the Book. Yeah He appeared, when the High Priest went in there in the Most Holy Place on the 10th day of October or the Day of Atonement, the third time; first for his own errors, and then for the errors of the people and for the cleansing of the sanctuary, and he throwed that blood towards the mercy seat seven times. He appeared between the wings of the cheribums above upon the mercy seat, symbolical to the throne, He appeared there. I mean He appeared to him in a vision. Now look. When this tabernacle was builded with Moses, this same cloud come down and it filled the tabernacle. That was symbolical of the Holy Spirit ____ ____. I said symbolic, but it didn’t keep him from appearing between the wings of the cheribums above upon the mercy seat. That’s what it says both places. Alright, finish up for me. We got to go. Repeat there what you just said in the.., whoever was reading.
Edward Mixon: Not.., but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Yahweh. I will put My law in their inward parts.
Dr. Kinley: Now He said I will put my law in their inward parts.
Edward Mixon: And write it in their heart
Dr. Kinley: And write it in their heart.
Edward Mixon: And will be their Elohim.
Dr. Kinley: And will be their Elohim.
Edward Mixon: And they shall be my people.
Dr. Kinley: Now He promised to do that. Now the third chapter of second Corinthians. I haven’t forgot Acts 2:4. I know what’s in the Book.
Now folks look, look up here everybody. Now here’s an easy way of understanding what we’re talking about. In this present dispensation in which we live, there isn’t any physical passover suppers, which you call Lord’s Supper, to the Jew nor to the Gentile. There isn’t any physical water baptism, there isn’t any physical foot washing in this dispensation. Now listen at what I’m saying. All of this back here was types and shadows that point to the spirit. Now when you got the spirit, then all of these things, naturally so, pointed to the spirit. And Yahshua, now listen, Yahshua you’ve got Him lying by saying that He come to fulfill. They saying, Christian Roman Catholic Church, Protestants churches say this that He come and instituted Christian water baptism, He come and instituted Lord’s Suppers. Hard shell baptists say He come and instituted foot washing. Now look, this is just simply calling the man a liar. He said that He come to fulfill. Now He can’t fulfill nothing unless it’s instituted. And that would make Him… He’s got to be the author and the finisher of our faith.
Now listen folks, what we are doing now, I’m explaining It so you can understand it, is the Holy Spirit in us, in a physical, mortal, natural body, and in this present age or in the age to come or when He’s revealed from heaven, listen close now, then we will take off this physical body and we will have an immortal body and an immortal spirit. We have an immortal spirit in it now. And we also, the thing that’s come up in the next world or the next age, which we’re right down to the close of it, is an immortal body. Now that’s the easy way to understand it. All of these natural things and all these physical things, including the sun and moon and stars, everything natural, doesn’t make any difference, everything natural is nothing but a type and a shadow. The heavens and the earth shall be folded up, all the types and shadows and everything.
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