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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley


audio cassette recording received from Lamar Greer


Catalog#:  69 EX


transcribed by Connie Mattocks

first proofreading:  Michael Rothstein

second proofreading:  Gerry Rothstein


third proofreading:  International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee:  1997



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Dr. Kinley:   ____ ____ Yahweh ____ ____ after ____ a train.  Here’s another thing out in the world today.  And they didn’t even know how to start into the Bible in the first place.  And every last one of ‘em start right in the wrong place.  Now today I could say something about that.  You ought to have some proof for it.  You should have some proof for it.  Now where everybody starts at in the Bible, all that they know to do and how to start at:  in Genesis 1:1.  That’s the right place you can start.  Now, somebody would say to me, ‘well now look, let’s be reasonable about this thing.  Let’s start at the beginning.’  And when you start in Genesis 1:1 the ____ ____.  I’m in ____ ____ with you.  Right in the first two words:  in the beginning, or three words.  Then I wanna know In the beginning of what?  What do you mean by beginning?  Well one would say, ‘it’s the beginning of the creation.’  Now that’s not so.  This is not the beginning of the creation.  Now you have to have a Creator before we can have a creation.  Now these things have the very best of men all tangled up, twisted up and I’m going to attempt to show you and lead you step by step on how to understand your Bible, to account and mark.  Now listen at these words that I’m going to say.  The exodus.  You see that sign up there at that door?  That’s an exit, that’s where you go out.  Exodus in this case, it means the going out or departure.  Now the Exodus was before the Genesis.  Now right away some smart alec would say, ‘that man can’t read and he don’t know the order of the Bible or the books in the Bible.’  You get it?  And right from the word go, we are up against it.  And I want you to realize that we are up against it.  Now I wanna tell you why I said that.

The exodus, there was two exoduses before the genesis.  Not one but two.  Now let me point ‘em out to you.  Moses, the first time, he, he slew an Egyptian.  This is where ____ go at.  He slew an Egyptian.  I haven’t got time, the time ____ ____ in your pocket.  He slew an Egyptian, and you see the Egyptian here that he slew.  And now here he goes out.  Now this thing the way this thing is drawn up here, they just drawed it all the way across, but he didn’t have to go across into the Red Sea here.  But now he’ll have to cross some water to get out of there now.  Why?  Suez Canal, that joins.., the Suez Canal joins at the Med.., the Mediterranean Sea.  So he could go around the other way and he didn’t have to cross in no water, through no water.  Now, listen close now.  When Moses slew the Egyptian and he went out of Egypt and into Arabia in the land of Midian, that was an exodus or a departure.  Now if you started in Genesis 1:1, you couldn’t read that.  Now he went out here in the land of Midian, and he married Jethro’s daughter.  Jethro was a priest of Midian and he also had a flock of sheep.  When Moses slew this Egyptian he had been raised up in Pharaoh’s daughters house, not Pharaoh’s house, and yet it’s Pharaoh’s house because his daughter was of his family.  But he was raised up in Pharaoh’s house.  Now I don’t have time to go into all that polytechnical…  But he was 40 years old when he slew that Egyptian and run off out here in the wilderness and he married Jethro’s daughter.

Well before I say that, I should say it this way.  He was out there on, sitting on the well.  And Jethro had seven daughters.  And when they came to water the flock, they found Moses sitting on that well, resting, watering up.  Now you wouldn’t pay no attention to it at all, you have no idea, nothing about it.  Now our teachers have said these things, but a lot of ‘em wouldn’t even recognize that they.., what they was even talking about.  Now it’s Yahshua the Messiah.  Do you remember when He said that we must need go through Samaria.  And He was setting on that well.  And that woman come to draw some water and He told her heart.  You wouldn’t have no idea that was a fulfillment.  And He told her about how many husbands she had.  Remember he went up here.  You get the point?  Now you read that over there in what you call the New Testament.

No, that’s not the New Testament.  Anyway we go, we’ll bottle it up with all this stupidity and ignorance.  The New Testament is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of Apostles and the Epistles.  That’s not the New Testament.  But everybody got that in their Bible, New Testament.  Now if you’d turn over to find out what the New Testament is in Jeremiah 31:31.  Now Yahweh said this.  He said He would write, not Matthew, not Mark, not Luke, not John, but He said He would write it in your heart and mind.

Now here you have the tables of stone up here in the mount that He Himself wrote with His finger.  And that by itself signifies that He was doing the writing.  Well, when we read in the Bible we don’t, we don’t pay no attention to it, we know nothing about what we’re reading.

Now Moses was out here 40 years.  Now he was 40 years old when he slew the Egyptian and he went out there and stayed 40 years.  40 and 40 makes 80.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right

Dr. Kinley:  And Yahweh one day spoke to him at this burning bush that you read about there in the Bible.  And he said, I’ll turn aside to see this sight.  And he saw that burning bush and it was not consumed.  Now here’s a carnal mind.  ____ ____ ____ ____.  Do you understand that bush wasn’t consumed?  Listen folks, there wasn’t no burning bush out there.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  You know when fire catches on around here somewhere, in these forests, they have a terrible fire, burning bushes.  It takes some ____ to put it out.  Now if you had been standing right beside Moses, leaning on his shoulder you would not have seen it.  Now this is what I’m telling you.  This is a vision.  He saw that bush in a vision.  And a voice spoke to him out of that bush, the Angel spoke to him out of that bush.  Now what you got there:  you got an angel appearing to him, then you got Elohim appearing to him, then you got an introduction saying, ‘I am Yahweh.’  Well, who is it?  And by and by and by, you turn up with Joshua.  Now you’re all confused and all messed up because you don’t know what it, what it’s all about.  You don’t understand.

Now since I said that, He told Moses to take off his shoes off of his feet.  Now listen, not the ground and yet we say the ground sometimes.  And it was on the ground, but He said the place on the ground where he stands, the place is holy ground.  And look here, He called him by name, said, ‘Moses, Moses.’  Twice.  Take off your shoes from off of your feet.  Now all of these are deep esoteric secrets that the average person does not understand.  In the first place, they don’t realize that they are working with a vision.

Now then, He told Moses, they told you all about this. ____ brought this thing in here.  See this rod?  See this?  Now I’m, I’m not going to fool you about this. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I’m not going to fool you about it.  So now, so don’t you look for this to turn into no serpent.  (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That’s where he’s got a rod back here.  Who’s rod is it?

Student Body:  Aaron’s

Dr. Kinley:  It’s Aaron’s rod.  Who is Aaron?

Student Body:  Moses brother.

Dr. Kinley:  It’s Moses’ brother, the older brother.  Get the point?  Now he took that rod out of here with him.  But I want to know where Aaron got it at.  This rod ____ to me.  You don’t read nothing.  Oh no, Aaron’s rod is budded and Moses and so and so and so and so.  And they have never had even a good imagination about that.  And one of the most glorious theologians…  I’m sick and tired of that.  I told you Yahweh sent me in the close of this age.  And I tell you, you ought to make me prove it.  Course everybody come along and say that He sent me too.

Soon as I tell you Yahweh sent me, somebody else said, ‘me too.’  Get the point?

Now, let’s go back to this burning bush.  Now the place on the ground where he was standing, it’s Holy ground.  And He told Moses, now you listen, said, ‘come not nigh hither,’don’t come no further.  Stop where you are.  Now what did He tell him that for?  Now you’ll take a wonderful new Testament theologian…  Do you remember when He went out there in.., even in the Garden of Gethsemane, I’m gonna cut this up short, He told them say, now you tarry there, while I go yonder and pray.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Um, hum.

Dr. Kinley:  Now He was the tabernacle in which Yahweh was manifested in the world.  So you can’t come up, you stop right where you are.  Don’t come no further for the place on the ground, that’s where you’re gonna set the tabernacle.  See the point?  Alright, Now did you catch that one?

In the fulfillment of these things…  Now I could say this to you.  Just how far was that from where He was standing at?  And how do you know?  Do you remember when Yahshua the Messiah was out there and He told ‘em to tarry here and they said He went just about a stone’s throw.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Um hum.

Dr. Kinley:  Oh, it’s wonderful, then this book coming to make some sense to you.  You begin to realize that truly there is a Yahweh.  No fooling.  And right while I’m on that, I want you to know that.., somebody’s always saying, ‘we want to invite Him into our service.’  How stupid can you get?  Now listen.  For in Him we live and we move and we have our being.  Right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Listen, don’t you know that your body, I Corinthians 6:19, I’m not gonna do no whole lotta preaching.  I’m trying to teach and explain.  Don’t you know that your body is the tabernacle of Yahweh and you are not your own?  You thought you belonged to yourself.  You’re not your own.  That’s the reason why oftentimes I say first get acquainted with yourself, cause it is Him that’s walking around here in you.  And there you’re standing up there, real stupid saying, ‘oh God, come in to our service and make it what it oughta be.’  Then somebody else is teaching behind him trying to find God, and never thought to look right there in the seat.

Now here’s another fella.  I’ll get on with the story pretty soon.  Now I, look I’m not, I’m not gonna break the continuity of thought, I’ll be right back to where I am.  Now here’s a fellow, he’s a smart and a brilliant man.  He knows all about God.  He’s been promoted from one rank to the other.  He’s got to be a deacon, he’s working up, on up to there and on promoted on up and up and up.  And finally by and by he gets up to a place where he’s got his collar turned around backwards, clergy vestments on.  That’s alright.  I’m not criticizing anybody.  A lotta times if I had one, I won’t have a whole lot of ____ ____ ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That’s not what I’m talking about.  But he’s got that all twisted up there, turned around backwards, and he wants everybody to know that he’s a preacher.  Now the reason why I don’t wear one is because I’m ashamed of it.  Now you pay attention to what I’m telling you cause I’ll be right back and you remember I told you that was a place where that tabernacle was to lay, and I told you that your body was the tabernacle, and you remember I told you that He is in you.  Now you looking all around for God and invite Him in your service, I know what I’m talking about and I can hook it up too.  Looking all around.  Now here this man knows all about God.  He’s a smart, brilliant man, knows oh everything.  And he don’t know which side his appendix is on.  He knows all about God and don’t know nothing about his own self.  Gotta pain somewhere and he don’t know whether it’s his appendix or his belly’s hurting.  He don’t know.  And yet and still he knows all about God and don’t know nothing about him, and yet the man is made in the likeness and image of God.  Do you see that?  And every time you ask him a question he said, ‘I don’t know.’  Say, ‘I don’t believe in meddling in God’s business.’  And after he tells you he don’t know, you’re still just stupid enough to go on and try to follow him somewhere.  He done told you he didn’t know.  He told you that right to your face.  And the reason why he told you that was because he didn’t know and then right on top of that he don’t expect you to know.  And yet man is made in the likeness and image of God; in fact, that’s what you are.  Somebody said, ‘you carried that one too far.’  No I didn’t.  Tenth chapter of Saint John the 35th verse.  Where we are at.

Now I’m gonna go back to where I was.  He told Moses standing there at that burning bush, take off your shoes from his feet.  What’s that for?  But I’d like to know whether he was born with shoes on or not?

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  Now somebody said, ‘I don’t understand what you’re talking about.’  Now you see the burning bush here?  See that fire there?  Now go on back here in the Garden of Eden, tree, at the tree, a the tree.  Adam and them didn’t have no clothes at all and wasn’t ashamed.  Yet, now you watch that flaming sword.  Watch that, watch that burning bush.  Keep your eye on it.  When that woman touched that tree, there come that law.  Said, ‘that ain’t ____.’  You, you getting it now?  What’s he got?  Got the flaming sword.  Flaming sword.  And Moses said, I will turn aside to see the sight.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right

Dr. Kinley:  Each and every little word.  Now look, now that’s a burning bush.  ‘What do you want to tell?  Why you keep stressing about a burning bush?  You done said that, so what?’  Now if you go inside of the tabernacle.  Now some of you, some of you are gonna have to help me.  What I’m trying to do is explain now.  You go inside the tabernacle, right there you got a golden candlestick.  Now there was never supposed, never supposed to be no darkness at all in there.  And that candlestick had to be lit three o’clock in the afternoon.  Now Moses, he’s getting ready to carry the flock back in.  The day’s just about come to a close.  And as he started to go in, he looked and sees the burning bush.  So he turned aside.  Three o’clock in the afternoon.  See how they got that fire on there.  Now we’ll be right back in that fire pretty soon.  We’ll be back, and we’re gonna keep the fire going.  We’re gonna keep it going from Genesis to Revelation.  Don’t forget it.

Alright.  So now, said, what’s that you got in your hand?  Well, He told him that He was gonna send him back, He introduced Himself.  Now this is what He said first, to let Moses know.  Moses done run off, he didn’t know anybody knew anything.  He don’t know nothing about nobody knowing about what he had did down in Egypt.  He’s safe now.  Safe.  He’s done escaped.  Don’t nobody know nothing about what he did.  Get the point?  Now, here Yahweh…  So you can see what I’m talking about.  He said to him, He didn’t say, ‘I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’  That wasn’t what He said to him first.  He said, ‘I am the Elohim of your fathers.’  ‘Oh!  So you know my father too?’  Jochebed, Amram, his father and mother.  Tell him that first, then tell him about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  He didn’t only just know, Moses, Moses.  Come to find out He knew his father.  He mentioned that first.  You see that now?

Now somebody knew what his name was.  So then He told him about what His name was.  And said, this shall be a memorial, His name is Yahweh.  Get it?  Somebody said, ‘no, that ain’t what He said.’  Now He wasn’t in the King James translation of the Bible.  Now here’s what He said.  He didn’t say Jehovah either.  I’m Yahweh, that is My name.  Now you listen, but He said, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they did not know Me by My name.  They didn’t know that..,, they didn’t know a thing about Yahweh, the name.  ‘Well, what’d you bring that up for?  So what.’

Now this is what, this is what this ____.  Now, in Salt Lake City, Joseph Smith claimed that an angel guided him to some tablets that had the book of Abraham and he ____ ____.  The book of Abraham.  Now why I’m telling you about that, is this:  that’s a lie.  Abraham never wrote a pen scratch.  Now how can you say that?  How do you know he never wrote a pen scratch?  Now out on the market, you have the book of Enoch, and that was before Abraham.  You get the point?  Now I’m showing you how, I’m showing you how we check, we check ‘em all, red handed too I’m talking about.  Now if Abraham had wrote anything, he didn’t know Him by the name of Yahweh.  Then you tell me since you’re so smart, how did Abraham get over there.., Abraham talking to Yahweh?  How did Yahweh get all back in there.  How does He get all back there?  None of ‘em ever knew Him by His name, Yahweh.  Now had they been writing anything, they would have written in the name of El Shaddai.  That’s the name they knew Him by.  Which means Almighty Provider, ____ ____ ____ ­the Almighty Provider.  Abraham never had a thing to do with it.  Get the point?  And they don’t they don’t say they say God or all like that.  Ain’t that right?  Now God is a title and not a name.

Everybody talking about God.  God this and God that and God the other.  And they don’t even know this:  that it used to be spelled G A W D.  That’s right.  And that’s not a name, that is a title.  Alright, we’re right back.

Now He told Moses what His name was.  So that you can see what I’m talking about.  Now when you go on back in the book of Genesis, you find Yahweh all through there.  Didn’t that mean no, no, there wasn’t no man on earth that knew anything but Moses.  Then whether you want to or not you’re gonna have to buy that Moses wrote the book of Genesis.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now you won’t run in this class with no.., all this stupidity.  Now we’re not near done with that.  No sir.  Now here He is standing, said, what’s that you got in your hand?  Moses standing there telling Him about He can’t talk so plain.  Aaron, he’s down there in Egypt.  And while I’m on that word Go Shen.  Now you, you find out what Go and Shen in Hebrew means in the 119th division of Psalms.  No, I ain’t telling you to do that now.  I’m just telling you, so you can look it up.  I don’t have time to go into all of that?  Get the point?

Now Moses ____ at the rod.  Said, cast it on the ground. (DR. KINLEY THROWS SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR) Now He done told Moses, Ayah, Ayah Asher Ayah.  Now in your King James version of the Bible, it’s translated like this, I am that I am.  That definitely is wrong.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Because if that was so, then He couldn’t be anything else other than what He really was?  But that’s not the way it is.  Ayah Asher Ayah translated from the Hebrew language.  Every time I draw a breath, it brings me up on something.  That’s the reason why Paul said, He’s discerner of every thought and the intents of the mind.  Ayah Asher Ayah translated means I will be what I will to be.  What is that?  That’s all in all.  That’s every thing that there is.  Now do you remember while, while ago, I got up on this point?  And I said you know all about God, talking in your terms.  You looking all around for God, and here you are, unconscious of the fact that you don’t belong to yourself.  So He’s everything that is.  I will be what I will to be.  What is that?  That’s all that there is.  That means He’s all in all.  Cast down on the ground and his rod turned into a serpent.  That right?

Student Body:  Right

Dr. Kinley:  Said, pick it up by the tail.  Well I should say this first.  When Moses cast his rod down on the ground and it turned to a serpent, Moses cut out.

Student Body:  Um hum.  Right.  He did.

Dr. Kinley:  And He told him, said, now pick it up by the tail.  Don’t pick it, don’t pick it up by the head, pick it up by the tail.  So Moses picked it up by the tail and it become a rod again.  Now here you are, you’re awful smart, one of them wise boys.  Yahshua the Messiah when He sent them out, 16th chapter of Mark, they shall take up serpents.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right

Dr. Kinley:  And there they are asking, ‘well, Jesus said to take up serpents.’  They got ‘em all down there in the hills in West Virginia and around and ____ ____ and all.  And every once in a while they, they, they, no poison wouldn’t hurt ‘em.  They didn’t understand what that serpent was.  And we’ll see that boy after a while.  Pick him up by the tail, and it turned back into a rod again.  Told him, said, put your hand in your bosom.  He gave him a couple of signs.  Take it out.  You see the point?  Different color than what the rest of his body, his hand.  He put it back.  Said, take it out again.  Same color as the rest of his body.  Now you tell them that I Will Be has sent you.  I Will Be What I Will To Be.  Now that gives you a couple of signs.  Now these signs shall follow them that believe.  They shall take up serpents.  You got the wrong thing and you got him by the head and all around you and the first thing you know, you done got bit, and then say, ‘Jesus said for us to do this.’  We don’t know about nothing about what we’re reading.  No, it ain’t in the Book.  Don’t understand a thing.  Knowledge, beginning of knowledge


Dr. Kinley:  And if they don’t believe that I sent you, you take some water out of the river Nile and pour it on the ground, it turned to blood.  Now you, you wait until you get down there.  You got to have three signs.  ‘Well, what did you have to have three signs for?  Now you said


Dr. Kinley:  Matthew 28:19-20, that’s what I’m talking about.

Reader:  Go ye therefore and teach all nations

Dr. Kinley: Go ye therefore and teach all nations

Reader:  Immersing them in the name of the Father

Dr. Kinley:  Immersing them in the name of the Father

Reader:  and of the son

Dr. Kinley:  and of the son

Reader:  and of the Holy Spirit

Dr. Kinley:  and of the Holy Spirit

Reader:  teaching them to observe all things

Dr. Kinley:  teaching them to observe.  Now you observe everything that I’m teaching.  That’s what you’re setting here for.  To observe.

Reader:  all things whatsoever I commandeth

Dr. Kinley:  all things whatsoever

Reader:  I commandeth you

Dr. Kinley:  I commandeth you

Reader:  and lo

Dr. Kinley:  and lo

Reader:  I am

Dr. Kinley:  I am

Reader:  with you always

Dr. Kinley:  I’ll be with you always.  Finish it.

Reader:  even unto the end of the age

Dr. Kinley:  Even until the end of the age.  No sooner He said that, stepped aboard a cloud.  Now He’s gone.

They didn’t even know why He said what He said that.  After all them very words, certainly I Will Be with thee.  Ain’t that what He told Moses?

Student Body:  Sure.

Dr. Kinley:  And He’s fulfilling, got to speak them words to them after He come out of that grave, because now He’s transformed, getting into the Spirit back here.  And now He’s a quickening Spirit, resurrected from the dead.  He said, certainly I Will Be with thee, lo I am with you even until the end of this age.  Now you know and I’ll be right with you.  Now He’s gone on a cloud.  Thought you said, He was gonna to be with them.  Even til the end of the age.  You see that?  But I have to work back up to that, I haven’t got to that yet.  So now Moses went on down into Egypt.  We told you last night about that impediment of speech.  Moses standing around there.

And here’s another thing I want you to get.  He told Moses that He would give him his brother Aaron to be his speaker, mouth organ or spokesman, because Moses standing down there with a impediment of speech and stuttering or stammering.  Now you wouldn’t see this unless somebody told you.  He made man’s mouth.  And Moses down there saying the same thing through a sentence, saying the same thing about seven times he said that. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) You see the point?  Said, ‘go ahead and tell him Aaron, tell him one more time.  That ought be ____.’  And he just got that repetition, he just down there stammering.  Now look, he’s repeating, stuttering.  He’s repeating the same thing over and over again.  Is that right?  Now all this is, ain’t nothing else but a repetition.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s all that is just stuttering right on through.  Nothing else but repetition.  And I know how to go in symbolical, metaphorical repetition from Alpha to Omega, from cosmology to eschatology or from beginning to end.  And that’s the reason why I told you last night the prophets said.  Now it takes one to confirm the other, and with stammering lips and another tongue will I speak to this people.  And here He come, and without a parable spake He not.  Now you listen.  Don’t go to sleep.  And then He spoke to them in parables and after He got through speaking with them in parables, they just, they didn’t understand.  So He told ‘em, when the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit, don’t worry about it.  Said, He…  You keep your eyes open folks.  Said, He will teach you, the Holy Spirit.  Said, the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit, when He come, He will teach you all things.


Dr. Kinley:  Listen.  And all through them three and a half years, said, bring everything I said to you back to your remembrance.  Now, what’s wrong?  This hasn’t ____ nobody.  And here I am, I’m the big shot preacher.  And He told them that I’ll speak, I’ll speak through you with words.

Now here you come up with the devil, said the Pope when he speaks, he’s infallible concerning doctrine and morals.  He may not speak excathedral for a hundred years.  When that man said that took me out there in…

Student:  Santa Monica.

Dr. Kinley:  Santa Monica.  What did he say that for?  Imagine riding a mouse.  Ain’t the way I heard it.  It ain’t the way my book reads.  My book reads that He is in man, and you mean to tell me it takes Him a hundred years to say something.

Now, we’re on, we got to hurry along cause we don’t have but so long a time.  Now what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to show you how to get in your Bible, and I’m trying to show you where exodus had to be two exoduses or two coming out of Egypt.  Exodus means a departure and I’m telling you that Exodus is before the Genesis.  And I’m telling you why you can’t start in Genesis.  Now that’s what I’m telling you.  And I’m telling you who wrote Genesis.  And why.  And I’m gonna prove it too.  Prove everything I say.

Alright.  Moses comes back down, and he’s 80 years old.  Then he tells Aaron and Aaron tells them and they, I have to cut it up short.  Then he cast that rod down, rod before Pharaoh down there.  Turns to a serpent.  Jannes and Jambres, his magicians.  Said, ‘look here ____.’  So they throwed theirs down, Jannes and Jambres, they throwed theirs down and Moses’ rod ate up theirs.  He got his.  They ain’t got none.

Well, just make a long story short.  And I should tell you this.  When Moses went off out there, I told you about it, Yahweh spoke to him at that burning bush and he found out He knew all his folks.  And Moses don’t wanna go down there, back into Egypt.  Now look here, like some of us with our carnal minds.  Why don’t you wanna go back down there?  He don’t tell you about it, what happened down there.  And you just might as well come on clean:  ‘Well, now look, I slew an Egyptian.’  Now look, Yahweh knew all about it.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And said that they seek my life and I don’t wanna go back down there.  And He told Moses, said, them that seek you, I done took care of him.  They’re all dead.  They’re not down there.  He didn’t know that either.  And then He told Moses, ‘now I’m gonna harden Pharaoh’s heart.’  Now you set up and listen at the gospel, and because it isn’t like you heard it here before.  You’re getting hard headed.  Say, ‘I don’t believe that stuff.’ Tightening you up, all swelled up.  I know all about it.  Now listen don’t you ever go all tightened up like that.  Getting you ready to kill.  And every time He’d pull out one of them plagues.  ‘Yeah, go ahead.’  ‘Nope,’ changed his mind.  And He just kept on doing that until He got down to 10.  Now five is abstract and ten is concrete.  That’s ____.  So simultaneously with that pouring out of that last plague, He instituted the Passover.  Now look folks, told them to take a lamb out on the 10th of the first month, Abib, that’s your April.  On the 10th, hold it over till the 14th.  What’s that all about?  Now you’re just reading your own level?  Now look, seven days of the creation He was the lamb slain before the foundation of the earth before Moses saw the seven days of the creation.  He was the lamb slain back here, so He told him to take it out down here on the 10th and hold it over til the 14th cause this is the second.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s this manifestation of it, down there.  14th.  Seven and seven is 14.  Is that almost right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And how many days are there in a week?

Student Body:  Seven.

Dr. Kinley:  Two weeks is how many days?

Student Body:  14.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright.  You don’t pay no attention to them things.  But now, then he put the blood on each side of the lintel of the door and up over the post of the door.  And look it was dark, black dark down there in Egypt.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Stygian black darkness.  But the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.  Right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley: Now by Him putting the blood on each side of the lintel of the door.  Now our folks already know this.  I’m not trying to.., I’m trying to reach the person that’s never been around.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  So then when they put the blood on each side and up over the lintel of the door, and caught the blood in the basin down here and it was dark.  Now this is the lamb that’s slain down here in Egypt.  Pascal lamb.  That represented the Lamb of God or the Lamb of Yahweh that takes away the sins of the world.  Now they couldn’t leave Egypt without that blood.  Now you watch.  And as Dr. Rolland and others, they’re telling you all the time, when He’s hanging out there on the cross, it’s gotta turn dark over the face of the earth from the sixth to the ninth hour.  It was dark down here.  You got the blood, one hand here, the other hand here, and the crown of thorns and nails in His feet.  One time Jehovah’s Witnesses walked up to me.  Said, ‘I see you all are still using the cross.’  Said, ‘Jesus wasn’t hung on no cross,’ said, ‘He was hung on a tree.’  ____, for cursed, so then the apostle, it’s written cursed be everyone that’s hung on a tree.  That what.., is that right?

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Okay, come on back here.  Explain this.  Four horns on this altar.  ‘Now you say He was hung on a tree?’  ‘Yep.’  Okay, we’ll, we’ll buy that, but you just don’t know what a tree is.  That’s what your trouble is.  This man back here got hung on a tree.  Gets hung up on it.  Right. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)  Now here we are with the beautiful songs, “is your all on the altar of sacrifice laid.’ Right.

Student body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Right.  Now, afraid that God over there…  Somebody be singing the song and about to jump out.., but I want to let you  know that you are all on the alter, every day.  And Paul said, it’s not unreasonable either.  Now here’s why it’s not unreasonable.  You see the fire in the center of the earth down there?  The earth is the altar, fire on the altar that hasn’t been out since creation.

Student body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Get it?  And here you are unconsciously  walking around on it, sound asleep.

Well lets go on now and try to get this thing over.  And now remember I’m trying to tell you now.

Don’t forget what I’m after, I’m telling you that the Genesis was after the Exodus, or the Exodus was before the Genesis.  And now I’m showing you why.  Now then,  that cloud came in there that night.  The cloud, you heard me, I said a cloud.   When your reading around in you Bible you don’t pay no attention to it.  That cloud.  And that cloud was a burning fire.  That’s another vision in the eyes of the Children of Israel.  If you’ve been standing right around there ____, you wouldn’t have seen a thing of it.  And while we’re on that, you’re in a cloud right now.  You been in it all your life.  It’s a burning fire.  Now there’s always somebody telling somebody to go to hell.  That’s right.  First thing you do is to get sore at somebody, say, ‘You go to hell.’  And you sleep, you didn’t know that’s where you were setting right there in you seat.  I don’t have time to fool with that now but we’ll get that pretty soon.

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, that cloud was a.., led them on up out of the land of Egypt.  It just opened up the Red Sea.  Moses got to the sea there,  the mountains on each side.  Right?  Mountains on each side.  ____ draw your attention.  And fact of the matter, it’s just a matter of impossibility.  And so there it is, the same  rod.  Moses crying to see the Children of Israel there, ‘you just might as well let ‘em die here.’  ‘Look here, what’s that thing you got there?’  ‘Don’t you remember?’ ( DR. KINLEY TAPS SOMETHING.) ‘wherefore art  thou ____ from ____?’  Moses lift that same one, that magic wand.  That rod.  Red Sea.  Somebody said,  that’s the Sea of Reeds.’ You’re a master theologian.  And one fellow told me, he said, ‘you know I think that the children of Israel went through the Red Sea alright, instead of the Sea of Reeds,’ now that’s marsh, ‘but they went through on low tide.  Do you believe?’  I said, ‘well, let me ask you one.  You tell me what this is here, ____ and I’ll be  able to  answer.’  Now look, this is three days journey to the Red Sea.  Ain’t that what He told ‘em?  Let my people go three days.  Three days till you got to the Red Sea.  Three days.  And most people ain’t paying no attention to that.  Sound asleep. And the water in the Red Sea, it didn’t happen like they think it ____.  Most people just think it just opened up and the sky just shined down on ‘em.

When they went through it.  ____.  Sea of Reeds.  I said, ‘well, you answer this one for me.’  Now remember this is three days journey from.., don’t you forget, cause I’m gonna crack it, any kinda way you go from Genesis to Revelation.  ____ ____ ____.  Alright now, we’re gonna buy that.  Now here  is the third day of the creation.  (DR. KINLEY TAPS THE CHART) In Moses’ vision up there, here’s the third day.  And Moses watched, let the dry land appear, just like the dry land there.  Now was that low tide?

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  See the waters surrounded or covered the earth.  That’s earth’s water baptism.  They were baptized in the cloud and in the sea.  You can answer some of your own questions, if you just know what to do and where to go.  Now we said that the waters stood up in a heap and they went through.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  ____ ____ like that?  Does your veins, are they open?  Aren’t they under the skin?

Dr. Harris:  Yes.  Tunnel.  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And that live vein, they say it’s passing right through there.  Is that right Dr. Harris?

Dr. Harris:  Yeah.

Dr. Kinley:  I just wanna know.

Dr. Harris:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Oh, think that this is three days here, then that’s three days here.  Moved the waters off of the face of the earth and let the dry land appear.  See what happened here?  Red Sea.  Now Egypt is one, the wilderness is two, Canaan’s Land is three.  Most Holy Place, the Holy Place, the mediation or the middle, and the Outer Court.  Now the tabernacle has got to be the same way.  Most Holy Place, Freddy, Holy Place, the Outer Court.  See it there on the chart?  Now the staff, you’re so smart, and you believed what somebody said.  The origin of the species, Darwin’s theory of evolution, that man generated from a cell, first into a fish.  And then he went on to something else, and then he went on from there to a monkey.  Well, and it looked like he remained a monkey. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But anyhow that’s what he said.  Man, and then some monkey.  Ain’t that right?  Now you know what he did there?  Man is made in the likeness and image of God.  And what he just said, God is a monkey.  See what you’re monkeying with?  Alright, I, I…  But the cell is made up of what?

Fred Allen, Jr.:  Nucleolus

Dr. Kinley:  Nucleolus

Fred Allen, Jr.:  Nucleus

Dr. Kinley:  Oh point up there, they don’t know what we’re talking about?

Fred Allen, Jr.:  A nucleolus, a nucleus and a cell body.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.  Well, is your picture up there?  How about You?

Fred Allen, Jr.:  Spirit, soul and body.

Dr. Kinley:  Go back.  Pneuma, psyche, and soma.  Soul, body, and spirit.  Alright take the atom.

Fred Allen, Jr.:  Proton

Dr. Kinley:  Now you’re a big scientist.  Ha.  Ain’t this beautiful. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You’re indeed in nuclear research.  And we’re gonna bring back some of the moon or lunar deposits, for analyzation down here.  Atomic research.  Now wait a minute.  Atom.  Go ahead… Atom is composed of what?

Fred Allen, Jr.:  A proton, a neutron and electron.

Dr. Kinley:  We got you ____.  Anyway you want it to go.  Now, you’re a geologist and you’re a paleontologist.  Oh, that name sounds big.  Them pinheads, them smart boys.  And here’s Yahweh, when He scooped out the Red Sea, and the river ____ through them mountains on each side.  And on Mt. Sinai out there, Mt. Nebo, had scene already set up and fixed up before you got around.  You, a great geological researcher.  Somebody say, ‘well, I’ll tell you what,’ said, ‘you don’t understand, I’m talking about things prehistoric.’  I’m talking about archeological research.  How they dig down, get this one now.  Catch this one.  And they call the ____ age, the Ice Age, the ____ian age, the Stone Age.  Now I’m talking about things prehistoric.  You pinhead.  One of them smart boys.  Now that’s his thoughts.


Dr. Kinley:  We’re gonna go with this Godhead.  Three days.  Now that’s 33.  Yahshua fulfilled the law and the prophets.  When he crossed over the River Jordan, 33 days.  So He did 30 ____.  Three and a half years in the 3 days.  33.  Yes indeed.  There’s always somebody talking about ‘must Jesus carry the cross.’ No, nobody.., they don’t look back to find out.  Now when they come up out of Egypt, they had them

Student Body:  Kneading boards.

Dr. Kinley:  Kneading troughs on their backs.  They called ‘em kneading troughs, you make bread out of them.  They carried ‘em, but He’s got to carry one too, if that’s the case.  And here’s Isaac…

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley: back there, Isaac carrying that wood.  Said, ‘Well what is.., where is the sacrifice?  Oh, boy.  And He told you about the ram with the thorns.  The boys have been telling you about it.  That ram caught in the thicket there.  The crown of thorns on His head and Him carrying the cross.  You can’t even see off the end of your nose, and you just let this lying bastard…  ‘Uh, you…’  I know you were gonna make a mess out of it.

Now you know what a bastard is?  12th  chapter of Hebrews tells you what a bastard is.  A bastard and a true understanding, from purely, from a lexicological point of view is one that’s born out of wedlock.  And you call it a leg.., a leg.., a illeg, leg, leg child.

Dr. Harris:  illegitimate

Dr. Kinley:  Illegitimate child.  Can’t even talk.  Born out of wedlock.  Now here you are, you’re a wonderful preacher, and born out of wedlock.

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  How’d you get born out of wedlock?  You won’t receive no chastisement or no correction by the scriptures.  All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God.  You’re born, but you’re not born again, so you’re a illegitimate…  You won’t receive the correction, even after you sit down there and read it.  That’s the reason why I said a bastard.  Let me just toss in this word.  Old. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) ‘What’d you say that for?’  What did you do that for?  Well, here’s why we did that.  Michael and his angels fought.  Michael cast him out of heaven.  ‘I thought God cast him out?’  No, He didn’t.  He don’t go pulling nobody’s job like that.  ____ ____ the job.  He’s got the advantage anyhow.  Put Michael on it, Michael, 12th chapter of Revelation it is, I don’t have time to go into all that, he cast him out of heaven.  And so now here he is down here.  Old Satan, which was cast out of heaven, down there in the garden of Eden.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And there.., now that’s the reason why I called him an old.., cause he’s come all the way down.  And look, since that was in the scriptures that way, then when Jesus, as they say, come along, He had to choose 12, and the one.., He knew who he was.  He didn’t have no other choice, then they killed Him.  Judas.  And He had to walk around with him.  He knew all the time who He was.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  He wasn’t fooling nobody.  You get the point?  And Judas come out of the tribe… (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And He didn’t tell on him.  He said, I beheld,’ I got him right here, clear down here in the garden of Eden ____.  He said, I saw him when he fell from heaven.  That right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, He has, He has to choose the one man.  He said, ‘haven’t I chosen the twelve and one of ‘em is a devil, but don’t nobody know which one of ‘em it was, until it got right down to the end that night.  The scriptures had said even now…  You talk about the Last Supper and what all you know about it, and all that kind of jive and carrying on.

Judas had to be setting, had to have, be positioned right there where he…  Is that what the scriptures said?  He’s got to be where he sopped in the dish right with him.  Now if he was setting up yonder on the other end of the table, you not gonna ____ that far.  Had to be setting right there beside Him.  And John had to be setting over on the other side.  He’s eating supper with John.  ‘How come ____?  We’ll get into that.

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  We’ll get into that some other…  We’ll get into that.  Now I’m just going to tell you, the cloud that followed ‘em along.  I said the cloud.  And He spoke to ‘em from the mountain, that mountain of burning fire in the eyes of the Children of Israel.  Now you say.., look, I said cloud.  Now I want you to turn over, now you watch this one, everybody ____ ____.  Here’s where you mess up and you mess up every time.  And here is the cardinal point, if I can get it over to you.  Turn over to the 24th chapter of Exodus.  Now look, you’re in Exodus, boy, I didn’t say Genesis, I said Exodus.  And I just get through telling you that they came out of Egypt.  Isn’t that, isn’t that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now watch now.  Do you see the absence of something over here, before you change thoughts, the 24th chapter of Exodus and the 16th verse.

Dr. Harris:  and the glory of Yahweh abode upon Mt. Sinai and the cloud covered it six days.

Dr. Kinley:  Now the cloud covered it six days.  Get busy.  Finish the sentence, Doc.

Dr. Harris:  and the seventh day

Dr. Kinley:  and the seventh day

Dr. Harris:  He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud,

Dr. Kinley:  He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud, the seventh day.  Now, you see this cloud covering the Mount?  And then now he said the seventh day He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.  The cloud covered it six days.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  and on the seventh day…  Now this is why you can’t start there.  Now I want, I want Genesis 1:1 now.

Dr. Harris:  In the beginning

Dr. Kinley:  In the beginning

Dr. Harris:  Elohim

Dr. Kinley:  of Moses vision.  Now listen, I said…  Move your foot boy I might just step on your feet.  How that cloud covered it six days.  God did not create the heaven and the earth in no six days.  Say, ‘can’t you read?  Don’t it say that down here in the sixth chapter, in the 20th chapter of Exodus.’  Yeah, I read the Bible too.  No, never created in no six days.  You wanna argue.  Wanna to start something?  Well then you tell me who created the day, the six days for Him to create something in, if you’re smart.

No.  The six days that this cloud hung over the top of the mountain.  And Moses is seeing the vision and it took him six days to see the vision while that cloud hung over the top of that mountain.  Now what Moses is seeing in the vision…  You got Genesis 1:1 now, haven’t you?

Reader:  Yes

Dr. Kinley:  You See where I had to start at?  Semi-colon me up that…

Reader:  Colon.

Dr. Kinley:  …six days.  And on the seventh day you got a, you got a colon there.  Is that almost right?  Now look, Freddy, that ain’t no good either.  Unless it be confirmed that ain’t a ____.  And old Rev, he gets going to town.  Now here’s John out on the Isle of Patmos.  Moses seeing in his vision the island’s surrounded by water, or the earth surrounded by water.  And he saw Elohim, ain’t that what you got there in the 16th chapter, in the 24th…  I wanna know Bill, whether that’s right or not.  Does your Bible say so?  In the beginning of his vision, that’s what he said.  Here’s Moses, I said seeing the earth surrounded by water in the beginning of his vision.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  That ain’t no good unless it be confirmed.  John is out on the Isle of Patmos.  And an island certainly is surrounded by the.., or land surrounded by water.  Moses said, they saw Elohim or God, is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And Moses said those waters moved, the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  And Moses looked through these seven days seeing that vision.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That ain’t no good unless it be confirmed.  John’s got to be out there on the.., to hear that Spirit moving on the face of the waters.  John is out on the Isle of Patmos and he hears the waters.  Heard a voice behind him.  No, not in front, behind.  How’d he get like that?  Moses is looking this way and John, he’s looking this way.  So he’s got to turn around, heard a voice that’s behind him.  So he’s got to look back here.  Heard that voice behind him, and he said he turned to see what the voice was.  And then he turned around.  What did he see?  He saw the same one as Moses saw back there in the Mount with the golden girdle, eyes flames of fire and his feet as burnished brass.  Now how do you know about that?  Don’t you see the brass out here.  Don’t you see the shekinah up here?  Don’t you see the garments of beauty and glory, the gold, what’s the matter with you?  And said out of His mouth was sharp two edged sword.  How come the two edged sword?  Got to come this way and back that way, from Alpha to Omega or the ____.  Now he turned around there.  Oh, boy.  Now he’s giving you an account of…  Now you said the cloud covered it six days.  And you said that Moses took the vision and put it over in the first part of the book of Genesis.  Now the devil he don’t even have brains and sense enough to realize that he’s reading a vision.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form, darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God covered the face of the waters.  God said, ‘let there be light.’  I want to know whether that’s right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  God divided the light from darkness.  What’d He do that for?  Don’t you see these divisions in this tabernacle.  See how the tabernacle is divided into three parts?  So He divided the light from the darkness.  You see, each one of them days is Him operating.  And He is Sanctorium of sanctorium.  He’s the whole show.  For the Elohim, Yahweh and Yahshua, the Holy Spirit, He’s the whole show.  He’s the producer and the director and plays all of the scenes.  The whole show by Himself.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright.  Now I say, this ain’t gonna be no good.  I said the cloud covered it six days.  Turn and read in Genesis, starting in Genesis the first chapter and the first verse.  Do you see any cloud there?

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  I wanna know if you see a cloud.  Well, if you don’t see a cloud there, you can’t follow, if you don’t see a cloud, you can’t follow.  Why?  Cause this the purpose.  That’s why you can’t follow.  You must have got to come up out of Egypt, go through the Red Sea, where the cloud covered the top of the mountain.  He said, tell you what he saw here in the cloud, that’s the vision you’re reading there in Genesis.  And scientist said, ‘well, I can’t understand it, why the sun can be on the fourth day.  No, no, you don’t see, you don’t know, that’s why you don’t understand it.  Said, you got to have the sun, ____ the sun.  And then the seed of vegetation penetrated the soil on the third day and you have the sun coming in on the fourth.  Said, ‘we can’t reconcile it.’  Here’s the Son back here.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s the Son.  Yes indeed.  He was the true Son.  And the sun, this sun you see up here in the sky, that’s only a figure of Him.  All the natural things are typical of the spiritual.

Now you see why that you can’t start in Genesis?  Now Moses is writing down there, first part of that Book in Genesis.  And the next time he goes up in the mountain, the third time, it says, he seen the heaven and earth.  Of course now I just got, I’m, I’m gonna take this ___ too, a little later on.  Make a connection to this one this evening.

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  I’ll take a bet.  I’ll show you how smart you are, before it’s over with. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I’ll show you all what it’s done, and you just take this book and just back it up together.  I hear the police. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) The ____ too.  So look I’m gonna tell you who’s gonna speak tonight.  I’ll take care of that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now you all can sweat it out from there, the way I feel about this, but I’m gonna buy this one this afternoon.  Will you all come back?

Student Body:  Yes. (APPLAUDS)

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