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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley

recorded by Edna Law

1 90 minute audio cassette

Catalog #: 72.0903

transcribed by Valerie Weber

first proofreading:  Michael Rothstein

second proofreading:  Gerry Rothstein


third proofreading:  International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee:  1997



1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.

2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.

3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)

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Previous speaker:  Eugene Hodo

Moderator:  …  The next speaker for the morning will be, the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.

Dr. Kinley:  Now I always leave class for about 10 minutes, that doesn’t give me much time.  Well, they said here that you…  Now I’ll take the rest of it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)

Now I’ll tell you why I got up.  I don’t know whether everybody.., I’ve tried my best, I’ve tried my best to tell you all to look at the TV, pay some attention to it every Sunday morning.  Now, there have been radio preachers on there, Rex Humbard, D. Haven, or D. Horn or whatever his name is.  And they, they have organs and nice ____, and they have another one here in California.  Now I wanna tell you what they all were talking about this morning.  Every last one of ‘em was talking about the soon coming of Jesus.  They think that something is fixing to happen pretty soon.  Now that’s what they all were talking about.  Well, I, I wanted to remind you to do that.  And if you do that, you’ll learn yourself some things that you should know about what’s going on.  It’s not a bad idea to read the newspapers a little bit too.  Find out something about what’s going on.

Now another thing I wanted to mention to you this morning.  Doctor Mitchell, the New York Dean, called me and talked with me before I come to school this morning.  And they have a school…  I asked him specifically about it again.  They have a school in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  And those people are going from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania over into New York and whenever they can, they go from New York down to Pennsylvania.  Now we don’t say anything about it here in class.  And Dr. Hodo just told you that Akron, Dr. Mixon being over there, going from Detroit, Michigan over into Akron.

Now this is what I wanna get over to you.  I think you should look at Matthew 24, I think it’s 14 or 15.  And I wanna show that the way they look at…  Now whenever you find it.., I don’t have but 10 minutes.

Dr. Harris:  When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of

Dr. Kinley:  About the gospel of the kingdom being preached in all the world.

Dr. Harris:  And the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world

Dr. Kinley:  Now He’s setting up in the mountain here, speaking to the people.  And He said, now this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world.

Dr. Harris:  For a witness unto all nations

Dr. Kinley:  a witness unto all nation

Dr. Harris:  and then shall the end come

Dr. Kinley:  and then shall the end come.  Now that’s what all of the radio preachers is concerned about.  Billy Graham say by 1980 he will have evangelized the world.  And Rex Humbard this morning spoke about it like this.  He said, Yahweh is providing me, he didn’t say Yahweh, he said, God has provided the means of communication by television, radio and all the other things.  God made man wise enough to do that.  And it don’t take a whole lotta time to preach the gospel all over the world by these methods.

And the gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world.  And then they talked about the coming of Jesus.  They say He’s gonna come down on a cloud.  Now this is what was in my mind when they were talking.  I.., you’re gonna have to read this.  The fourth epistle of John.  And while we’re speaking about the fourth epistle of John, we want you to know there’s no such a thing as a saint.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And they are in the Roman Catholic Church; that means you are canonized in the Roman Catholic Church, that’s what a saint is.  So everybody says Saint John; there’s no Saint John, Saint Mark, nor nothing like that.  And here they handed me a piece of paper this morning where Pope Paul the sixth is going to visit the tomb of Saint Mark.  And if the thing was as they say it is, why don’t they go ahead and put them people on into heaven?  Pope, Pope…

Student:  Pius.

Dr. Kinley:  Pius the 12th.  Now you listen to what we’re saying folks, we don’t play down here.  We mean business.  And we’re just gonna tell it like it is.  You’re gonna have to face it anyhow.  You’re gonna have to come to.., if you don’t wanna come now, you’ll be there later.  You ain’t gonna be doing no worrying about you going to the Judgement.  You’ll be there.  Now I want you to read this, the fourth chapter or fourth epistle of John and begin with first verse.

Reader:  Beloved, believe not

Dr. Kinley:  Now just a minute, every time somebody gets up and reads in the Bible, beloved.  Every preacher Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Roman Catholic or whatever you have, he says beloved, he’s talking to his audience and his congregation.  He’s calling them the beloved.  Now don’t make no difference what sect or cult they in, they’re saved and they’re the beloved.  Now you got that all wrong.  Now John is writing this epistle to the Hebrews in Jerusalem.  That’s what he’s doing and they were the beloved, them that had accepted Yahshua the Messiah as their savior; in other words they had the Holy Spirit in them.  They were the Beloved.  I wanna straighten you out on these words first.  Alright, now it said beloved.

Reader:  Believe not every spirit.

Dr. Kinley:  Believe not every spirit.

Reader:  But try the spirits

Dr. Kinley:  But try the spirit.  Now that’s the reason why I brought up that word beloved.  Everybody says that they’re the beloved.


Dr. Kinley:  How you gonna try the spirit if you don’t have it?  I’m just making myself clear.  Alright read.

Reader:  But try the spirits

Dr. Kinley:  Try the spirit.  By what?

Reader:  whether they are of Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley:  whether or not that they are of Yahweh.  Did you hear that?  Now, this is John.  And he’s the same man that wrote Revelations too.  Alright read.

Reader:  Because many false prophets are gone out

Dr. Kinley:  Now listen.  Now you listen.  Because.., now you try the spirit, try the spirit.  Now here’s the reason why you try it:  because there’s many, not a few, and that’s what you got over there in the 24th chapter of Matthew too.  You had it in 21st chapter of Luke and you have it in the 13th chapter of Mark about many false prophets.  And on down further there he says they’re already gone, a lot of ‘em back there even before the decease of the apostles.  Then Peter, he said that there were false prophets back here.  They’ve been all the way down.  Do you follow what I’m talking about.  Alright read.

Dr. Harris:  Because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Dr. Kinley:  Uh hum

Dr. Harris:  Hereby

Dr. Kinley:  Now wait a minute.  Now you just wait a minute.  Dr. Hodo just got off of this floor.  Is that right?

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, that was not him preaching.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:   Now we look at one another as being so this, that, and the other.  No, it’s the Holy Spirit that’s speaking through these vessels.  Alright.

Reader:  Because many false prophets…

Dr. Kinley:  are gone out into the world.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley: Now you, you, you, you know what we’re reading, don’t you?  Now I’m saying ­this because, it’s been said many times here, but we want you to know that there is false prophets out in the world and there have been all the way through.  And all of these religious organizations never knew about it.  They had the Zealots, and the Pharisee, the Scribes, the Essences, and a just a whole bunch of ‘em like that when Jesus was here.  They were right on Him.  And say listen you know one thing, He never chose a one of ‘em, never selected a one of ‘em out of that Sanhedrin Council, not the first.  Now how about that?  Alright read on.

Dr. Harris:  hereby know ye the spirit

Dr. Kinley:  Now wait a minute.  Get this straight.  Now hereby, right by this.  Alright.

Dr. Harris:  Know ye the spirit of Yahweh

Dr. Kinley:  Know ye the spirit of Yahweh by this.  Alright read.

Dr. Harris:  Every spirit

Dr. Kinley:  Every spirit

Dr. Harris:  that confesseth

Dr. Kinley:  that confesseth

Dr. Harris:  that Yahshua the Messiah is come

Dr. Kinley:  that Yahshua the Messiah is coming.

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  I told you that is what they was all talking about.

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  All of them radio preachers this morning.  Now every spirit that tes…  Now, this is how you go about it, to tell who’s false and who’s who.  Every spirit that testifies that Yahshua or Jesus is coming is of God.

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  or is of Yahweh.

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  Now that ain’t the way the Bible reads.  Now they were all talking about Him coming.  And John said…  Repeat.

Dr. Harris:  Every spirit that confesseth

Dr. Kinley:  Every spirit

Dr. Harris:  that confesseth that Yahshua the Messiah is come

Dr. Kinley:  that every spirit that confesseth that Yah is come.  Now right by this, this is what you go by:  is come is

Dr. Harris:  of Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley:  of Yahweh.  Now read on.

Dr. Harris:  and every spirit that confesseth not

Dr. Kinley:  and everyone that confesseth not that He is come

Dr. Harris:  is not of Yahweh

Dr. Kinley:  is not of Yahweh.  Are you getting, that?

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Read.

Dr. Harris:  and this is that spirit of antimessiah

Dr. Kinley:  and this is that spirit of anti Messiah or the anti Christ.  Now that’s what that is, nothing but them false prophets.  How about that?  Didn’t we read it out of the Bible?  Now we’re not trying to tell you that He won’t be revealed from Heaven.  That’s not what we’re trying to tell you.  He will be.  Now how about that?  He can be today, this is the Day of Salvation.  This.., today.  Here right now is the Day of Salvation.  Now this is what you have to do.  Now if you don’t have that Holy Spirit, you don’t have nothing to go by.  Now, here they are up there and what they’re saying is giving ‘em away.  Now I didn’t say that.  Now here’s where the problem is, and here’s what the difference is:  you can’t see spirit with your physical eye.  Now Paul puts it this way.  Are you listening now?  Are you listening?  Are you sure you’re listening?  He said that Messiah, or Yahshua the Messiah in you that’s the only hope of glory, not in the sky but in you.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s the only hope.  There is no other hope.  And it is Him that’s in these vessels.  They know, you can’t fool ‘em.  They know, whenever they come to talking, like that.

Now heaven.  They got that all twisted up too.  Now there’s three heavens.  Jehovah Witness say there seven.  Well I understand what they mean by it, but never the less.

Now this is what I wanna make you conscious of:  right now sitting in your seat, right where you are at this prodical moment, you’re in one state or the other.  Dr. Hodo told you that.  Now when did all this happen?  On the day of Pentecost when that Holy Spirit was poured out.  You might read in the 15th chapter of first Corinthians.  Now here’s the problem.  He went down to the cemetery in a physical body, ____ manifestation and He’s raised a quickening spirit.  Right there’s where the world lost, lost track Him.  And they ain’t seen a thing of Him around.  Ain’t seen nothing at all of Him.  Now that’s what it is, that’s supposed to be in you.  And then not only Him being in you, you in Him.  That’s what the Book says.

Now this being revealed from heaven.  I think I should touch that, explain that to you.  Now it just means this.

Here’s what the people think.  He’s gonna jump down through the sky on a cloud.  That’s what they think.  And that’s what them preachers are talking about.  And that’s the way you read this Bible with a carnal mind.  And that’s what you could come to the conclusion of.  Said behold He’s coming with cloud and every eye shall see Him.  And that’s the way they’re looking at it.

Well when this cloud brought ‘em up out of Egypt…  They said the Gentiles.., they didn’t see a thing of it.  ____ Everybody didn’t see it.  And they ____.  Well now here, you got the same story right over here.  You people, your cloud up here, He’s coming in your cloud.  And can come within you today, this morning.  But they don’t, they don’t know nothing about it.  They don’t understand it.  Are you listening now?

Now here He is in incorporeal.  You go right back to the chart.  Get Him in incorporeal, only seen in visions or the spiritual embodiment.  Dr. Hodo told you, and every time you come here we’re gonna tell you the same thing.  We will never miss.  Now everybody didn’t see that.  Now since everybody didn’t see it.  Everybody didn’t see that tabernacle.  They didn’t, they didn’t.., these that was up here, none of ‘em saw it, no not a one of ‘em.  They saw this body, but they didn’t see the tabernacle.  Can you follow?  Moses witnessed that.

Everybody, everybody that was up there in that mountain, those 70 elders with Aaron and Nadab, they didn’t see the creation.  Moses entered into that cloud alone and by himself.  He saw that.  And Yahweh told him…  Well now, I think I oughta tell you in a way you can understand.  This Joshua that was back here, he was a man walking around in the flesh.  Are you listening?  And Yahweh was incarnated in him.  Yahweh Elohim was manifested to them back there in the person of Joshua.

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Now somebody would wanna say this.  Now he went up there with Moses.  Dr. Hodo talked to you about it.  And you look right straight in your Bible and see it again, and yet and still you’re too uninformed, let’s say it that way, to even recognize it.  I could say this:  if you wanted to argue and say that that wasn’t so, say that when Joshua went up here and he was the one.  That was.., and this wasn’t God’s chief representative, it was He Himself incarnated in that body.  Are you listening?  I guess my 10 minutes is about gone, but I told you I’d take whatever you give me.  Now when He went up there this is that which was incarnated in this physical body right here, back here with Moses.  Now some ignoramus will wanna jump up and dispute that.

Now He says He was coming to fulfill.  Isn’t that what Dr. Hodo told you?  Told you chapter and verse were to find them.  Not to institute but to fulfill.  That’s what everybody’s Bible says.  And He said that himself.  Now listen Freddy, we wanna find out now.  go in what you call your New Testament, whether it was so, what I just said.  We wanna know now whether he was a man walking around out there on the ground, we wanna know that, was that incorporeal in him or in other words; we wanna know whether He was a man in the flesh or not, back here with Moses.  Now, how are you gonna

prove it?  Well if He said He come to fulfill that means it’s got to be repeated…

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  …I mean with Moses.  Now here you got the transfiguration up there.  Jesus went up into the mount or Yahshua went up into the mount and transfigured before them and and they saw the God of Israel or they saw the Yahweh of Israel.  And it was a man walking, around in a physical body at that time.  Now was it Moses, is he the one, same one back there with Moses, there appeared Moses.  That’s what your so called New Testament says.  That’s what it says.  Then what do you wanna be arguing around about whether He’s back there or not.  Do you see through what I’m talking about?  The 17th chapter of Matthew states that, says.  Is that almost what it says?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Well, if He wasn’t the one that was back there with Moses in ____ never could have stood over here.  Now how about that?  And we come along and try to tell people these things they think that we’re wrong about it.  They think we don’t know what we’re talking about.  They think we don’t understand what we’re talking about.  Do you see what I’m talking about?  Yes we do.  We do know that Book, that Book from Genesis 1:1 to Rev 22:last.  And we can straighten this thing out.

Now if you notice, as Dr. Hodo called your attention to this.  He said that Yahshua the Messiah begin at Moses.  Now I was talking to Dr. Mitchell on the phone about this.  Well, look, He also appeared unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.  And He also appeared unto Enoch, the seventh from Adam, over in the Anti Diluvian Age, I mean, that’s right, in the Anti Diluvian Age.  Well if that’s the case.  Why did He begin at Moses?  Why didn’t He begin with Enoch?  Why didn’t He begin with Adam?  Why didn’t He begin with Abraham?  Oh, I tell you there’s something else here, there’s something else here.  Had you thought about that?  Well I’ll tell you why He didn’t begin there, like I told him this morning.  If you look in the fifth chapter of John, you’ll find out that He said that Moses wrote of Him.  Enoch never wrote a thing.  Adam never wrote a thing.  Abraham never wrote nothing.  So He begin with the man that wrote something.  How about that? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That’s the reason why you read it in your Book. (STUDENT BODY CLAPS)

Now I got this thought that I oughta get up and tell you people of all of the spasmodic preaching that’s going on in the world.  And they haven’t yet learned the true name of our heavenly Father.  They haven’t learned.  And now you can get a good King James Version of the Bible.  I’d call it the teachers Bible.  Look in the footnotes, old ones if you want too.  It was even written before I was born.  I’m just only about seventy seven years old, come the 30th of this month.  And it was in there long before I was born.  These names.  Now how did it get in there?  Well I’ll tell you.  Moses wrote it.  That’s almost a day or two before any of us was born. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now how about that?  It’s no new thing.  In this King James version, where you got Lord, God, and Jesus Christ, those are the new names.  They’re not the original names in the Book.  And you can get all twisted up and all messed up. And as Dr. Hodo told you, if you can try just using any sense at all, just any common horse sense.  In your family, say, ‘I’ll tell you what the father’s name was.’  Even when you was conceived, and before you was born, and when you was born.  Your first name, I understand Dr. Hodo what he meant, your first name was Jackson.  Well how did it happen your first name was Jackson?  Because that’s your father’s name.  Now it’s just some simple things like that, you oughta have sense enough to see and understand.  We could have caught these things long ago, if we just hadn’t been going along

Now what’s happening now is the early and the latter rain.  Now what we are teaching and preaching…  I want these people that have, this is their first time here, I want them to know that this is not a little junked up, fly by night religious organization.  This is not a church.  This is a school.  And that’s what You come here for, is to learn.  And you can expect us to tell you things that you don’t know.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now no need to come here arguing with me, we know you don’t know.  There ain’t no need of getting all boisterous and worked up about it either.  Now that’s what my job is.  Now you understand?  And you’re gonna have to ____ to accept this.  Look here.  In the third chapter of Exodus, when Yahweh told Moses what His name was.  And I think it’s in the sixth chapter, before then.  He said that the people did not know Him by the name Yahweh, but they knew Him by the name El Shaddai, which means Almighty Provider.  He is still the Almighty Provider, but His name is Yahweh.  Now if He’s got sense enough to know what His name is.  And you got sense enough to know what your name is.  Now why would you let somebody come along and tell you, that’s not your name?  And if He come in the name of His Father…  There’s no way, this would be the translation:  Lord, God, and Jesus Christ.  Now if you get this one up there, lined up here on this board.  Now this is what I’m saying too:  if it’s Lord, it’s translated as ____.  And Elohim or the Word or Son is translated as God.  Now listen now.  The Lord would be the Father of God.  Check it out, you check it out. (STUDENT BODY REACTS) You see what I mean?  But how you make these mistakes is, you’re listening to somebody that just really don’t know.  I wouldn’t know either if Yahweh hadn’t revealed it to me.  I preached as crookedly as anybody for 15 years, I didn’t know no better.

Now one other thing and then I wanna conclude.  Now Dr. Hodo told you about these three compartments.  They’re in everybody’s Bible.  Now, listen closely at what I’m saying.  You might have to read this.  Deuteronomy 4, I believe it is, and 6.  Read.

Mary Gross:  Hear oh Israel

Dr. Kinley:  Now listen, Hear, Hear oh Israel.  Read.

Mary Gross:  Yahweh our Elohim.

Dr. Kinley:  Yahweh our Elohim, that’s the Lord our God in the King James.  Hear, oh Israel, Yahweh our Elohim is what?

Mary Gross:  Yahweh a unity.

Dr. Kinley:  He’s three distinctive individuals ____ ____.

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  You heard ‘em say it.  You heard ‘em when he’s talking, didn’t you?  Now there’s three different compartments to this tabernacle, but it’s only one tabernacle.  Now these people running around talking about Jesus off over here somewhere, and God over yonder somewhere, And He’s universal, and ever present, and always has been, never been a time that He was absent.  Never will be a time that He’s absent.  But with our little carnal drawed up mind we just don’t understand that.

Now, I wanna say this.  Now you see there no three persons there, cause every person is a complete human within himself, so also is the so called Godhead.  Now listen folks.  Pay attention now.  Dr. Hodo told you this.  Now he told you that Moses saw that tabernacle up there in the cloud.  Is that almost right?  Is that what we got up there?  Now I’m talking about them false prophets and false teachers here.  Now look when Moses got down from up here.  Now them people done had the commandments broken before he got down.  He wasn’t up there for but forty days.  And they done build the Golden Calf before he got down.  They had the thing all broken up before he got down.  Alright.  And when be does come down to build that tabernacle like Yahweh had told him to build it, there was some fellows down there arguing around with Moses.  Now look, ‘that’s not the way to build it.’  Now remember, you get it straight.  He was the only man that saw it up there in the cloud.  He was the only person who saw it up there.  The only one that Yahweh gave instructions to the building.  Now when he gets down.., just like we have today.  We got somebody gathering around all every which way who knows more about it than me.  They know more about it than you.  They said it oughta be built like ____, or it oughta be built like that, or ought built like something else.  ____ ____.  Now let’s see whether Moses build it like he was saw it in that, in that cloud.  Now it took ‘em nine months…


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