Recording begins.

Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much.  I just have a few remarks to make here.  And of course I’m always making some kind of a social blunder, I didn’t say at the time of the appointment of this post … Now last week, or last Wednesday night, I should have used my manners and said and asked Dr. Harris if he will accept the Deanship of the school.  But one reason why I didn’t ask him, was because we had talked it over up in Big Bear there, and he had told me up there that he would; said that he would do anything that he could do for Yahweh’s sake.  So, I just thought that it would be my duty to let him get up and speak to you and say how he feels about the appointment.  And so, at this time, I’m not going to take up the time, so at this time I’m going to take the place now of the moderator, (laughter) which is another bloop, (laughter) and ask Dr. Harris to speak.

Dr. Harris: I know I’m just as bad as Dr. Kinley ever could be when it comes to social etiquette.  I hadn’t paid any attention to the fact that I wasn’t called on last Wednesday night.  It was already a decided issue as far as I was concerned.

I don’t think it would be a waste of time for me to relay a few things to you in reference to the early times of my being in this class.  For I feel that it might help you to understand, what I’d like to say to you in reference to this Deanship.  I recall that I entered into school, October 7th, 1957, on a Monday night, my first time going to school.  And as I told you before, I was greatly impressed that first night, I was little bit embarrassed because, thanks be to Yahweh, it was given to me to know, that particular night, that those people sitting in that class had something that I didn’t have.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: And I was a little bit jealous, just to tell you the truth.  And I desired right from that moment to know what they knew, and more too!  Then, later on in 1958, I had made plans to go to South Haven, Michigan to take a little vacation.  Reservations were already made and everything.  Dr. Kinley called me from Springfield and asked me if I would come out here to Los Angeles with him.  Now frankly speaking, I didn’t want to come.  But it was given unto me at that time also to know that I had to come.  Something just made me know within myself that I could not refuse!  You, see?  And I was going even against my wishes, we’ll put it that way, but I knew I was going.  So, I told him that I would.  And we came out here to Los Angeles, August 11th, 1958.  And I stayed two weeks and drove back to Ohio August the 25th.  I hadn’t been back there but just a week, when on Labor Day night, September 1st, 1958, we went to the Greater Cincinnati Airport and picked up Dr. Gross and Lena Gross.  And they said that Dr. Kinley desired that people back there come out to California.  And they made that announcement in the class that night at the Lockland YMCA.  Class was held over until we arrived back from the airport with them.  We’d been told that they had a message for us.  And when they made that announcement, I knew right then that I was going to California to live.  I’m engaged in private practice, but it wasn’t no doubt in my mind whatsoever, see, just a matter of getting my things together, winding up my business and getting on my way.  And at four o’clock (inaudible), September 1st to September 28th, I wound up a medical practice, notified the people that I was leaving, sold my office furniture and everything, made ready to come out here.  And on October 3rd, on a Friday morning we left out of Ohio, seven of us in a car, and got here on Tuesday morning, October 7th, 1958.

Now since that time, all down through the time that I’ve been here, whenever Dr. Kinley asked me to do something, you see, you understand?  I did my best to do it, asking no questions, but just going ahead and doing it.  You understand?  I’ve been led that way.  I’m not saying that’s all on my own.  You understand?  I’ve just been drawn that way.  It just seems to me that I had better sense than to do any opposite or any different.  See, something, something in me just wouldn’t let me be contrary to what he asked me to do.  Hardly at no time — I’ve made mistakes – now don’t come, don’t say I haven’t.  You see.  And he’s told you about it.  He had to cuss me out one time.  You, see, and I’m about it too!  You understand?  I’m so happy that thing happened I don’t know what to do.  And I’m telling all of you that I’m happy about it.  You, see?  I don’t need to bring it up.  See all of us gotta be chastised, understand, and if you’re not chastised, then Yahweh won’t receive you.

Now then, when it come down to him asking me to be the Dean, see, I could have given a half of dozen good reasons why I didn’t want to be Dean.  You understand, just like Moses did back there in the wilderness.  But here again, I was blocked because of my understanding.  You, see?  Now look, if I was doing the things that he desired me to do when I didn’t have any understanding, you see, then what about when I have understanding?  See, I couldn’t do no worse.  You, see?  So it wasn’t nothing for me to say, but yes sireee.  And I recognized right at that time, you see, now you might think that it’s an exaltation.  See?  Like in the Roman Catholic church, men are always to be Priests, see then Bishop, then Archbishop, then Cardinal, and one of these days they hope to be Pope.  You understand?  Now that’s the way it is out there in the world.  And I was aspiring that way, at one time, you see, trying to get up in the world.  See?  But I had that all wrong too!  Now my aspirations are to get down in the world.  You know what I mean by that?  Become humbled before Yahweh!  Become abased before Yahweh!  You understand?  Quit trying to be a big shot!  And just be what every other man is, just a creature of Yahweh, no better and no worse!  Now, we’re all on equal footing.  Get my point?  See?  So the Deanship wasn’t an exaltation for me, you see, another title or something like that, that I could gloat in.  You, see.  Now some of you might think so.  And if that’s the way you think, then it’s something wrong.  Okay?  I realized it as another responsibility.  You understand?  It, really to me, was another humbling.  You, see?  I already have got my hands full.  Busy all the time.  You get my point?  You, see?  And the Deanship is more responsibility. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You understand?  Either way you wanna look at it!  But I’m willing, with Yahweh in me, you understand me, to do the very best that I can, under any circumstances. You, see?  And I just tell you the truth about it, now I’m not trying to be saucy, it just don’t make no difference to me what anybody thinks about it!  I just had to throw that in there.  Cause after all that I’ve said up here already, some of them will say: “Well he still think he’s a big shot and so forth and so on.”  You, see?  It don’t make no difference, you can say anything you want, pro or con, it don’t bother me at all.  I just thought I throw that in there so you might save yourself come of the, you understand.  I’m not disturbed by it.  In fact I’d be very surprised if I didn’t hear some comment from some in regards to them saying “Well, I think so and so should have been the Dean”.  You, see?  Or so forth and so on.  I wish they had been too as far as that’s concerned.  Ha! ha!  I would have voted for almost anybody else except myself, seeing how I know the thing works.  There’s a man got a job there I wouldn’t have for anything in the world!  You understand?  But Yahweh sent him in the world to do the job he had to do.  Boy, He really loaded him down with something.  Just like Moses coming up out of Egypt here with these people.  And Moses was the meekest man that lived at that time.  And as meek as he was, those children of Israel so aggravated him, you understand?  That he lost his cool so to speak.  (Laughter)  When he came down out of the mount there and saw what they had done there in making that golden calf, after Yahweh had shook that mountain, see and caused lightning to belch forth, smoke, everything you know.  And even Moses just stood there and trembled.  And He gave them those Ten Commandments and told them now look!  Don’t you make anything likened unto me.  You, see?  No graven images, and any likeness of anything in the heaven above or in the earth beneath.  You, see?  And after all that, it wasn’t forty days, you see, before they had gone ahead and made the golden calf.  And when Moses come down out of that mount, he was hot about that!  He just couldn’t understand how they could have been so hard-headed!

Dr. Kinley: We see the same thing here.

Dr. Harris: Yeah, we see the same thing going on here now.  It aint nothing new.  Sometime some of the things we see people doing, in the face of the gospel that’s been preached down here…When the gospel’s preached down here, you understand, you’re shook up!  That’s the shaking of that mountain back there.  Yea you’re shook up!  And then will leave out of here and go out and build golden calves.  (Laughter)  You understand?  Yea, Moses was hot when he came down out of that mountain, and he jumped on Aaron.  Aaron what’s the matter?  I left you down here with these people. What’s wrong?  What happened?  And Aaron said to Moses:  Now Moses, you know these people. (laughter). And you know exactly how they are.  Now you know you can’t do nothing with them.  They’re the most hard-headed and stiff-necked people there ever was in the world.  Why do you wanna jump on me about it?!  You see my point?  You, see?  So that’s the way the thing is.  You just have to be careful cause the Devil is a deceivable one.  See?  And you’ll have to be wised up in Yahweh or else, see, you’ll be deceived.

Now then, enough of that.  I’ll just go ahead and get on into the teaching cause we do have some new people here tonight, and we must go on with the show, cause we are nearing the end of this age, believe it or not!  You, see?  And as Dr. Kinley was trying to get across to us up there in Big Bear Lake, the reality of the Purpose of Yahweh.  He went around the room and asked each one of them, said now “What do you say about it?  What is the Purpose of Yahweh?”  You, see?  And, one answered after this sort and on answered after that sort.  Now they would generally in agreement, you see, but principally and basically, we were making one error.  You, see?  And we’ve often said the purpose of Yahweh is stated there in Ephesians 1:9 and 10.  I’ll have somebody to read to you.

Reader: Having made known unto us.

Dr. Harris: Now Paul said: “Having made known unto us”, now we want to know when did that happen?  That happened on the Day of Pentecost.  That is, when He put His spirit in their hearts and in their minds.  You, see?  Read.

Reader: The mystery of His will.

Dr. Harris: The mystery of His will.  Now it’s a great mystery.  See?  And you’re just not going to understand it and not going to solve, you see, it just by your own will.  You, see?  And neither is your researching into works of others gonna do any good.  See, you read after this one, and you read after the other, and he don’t know no more about it than you do.  You see what I mean?  Now we have thought that you think that.  We think that because see, he’s listed as a great philosopher, or a great theologian, or somebody great.  And we do around with a head full of knowledge about what Socrates said, and about what Plato said and don’t know Socrates or Plato didn’t know no more about it than you. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.  That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Having made known unto us the mystery of His will.  Read.

Reader: According to His good pleasure.

Dr. Harris: Look!  According to His good pleasure.  Look, He hid that thing.  The mystery of His will.  Look, He hid it from them for 4,000 years.  From Adam, see, all way down to Pentecost, 4,033 years to be exact.  See, He hid it from them and didn’t reveal it to anyone until He got good and ready.  You, see?  You, see?  You understand?  And you can add to that two more thousand years, because since Pentecost, it been roughly 2,000 years down to now.  You understand?   And they’re still trying to wrestle

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: the mystery of Yahweh, and trying to unravel it, and haven’t done no more with it than they had up to that 4,000-year mark.  So that make 6,000 years they’ve had to find out what the mystery of Yahweh is. 

Dr. Kinley: Thant’s right.

Dr. Harris: And I could tell you this:  Time could go on immemorial, Yahweh could just give them as much time as they needed, even if it were an eternity, and they still would not find out, because the only way it’s gonna come is through revelations.

Dr. Kinley: You’re right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  It has to be His spirit in you or else you just don’t know. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  Now that’s the way it is, that’s the way He set it up, and that’s the way He purposed it.  See?  Read

Reader: According to His good pleasure.

Dr. Harris: According to His good pleasure — when He got good and ready!  And you know it would just help us a little bit if we could see that.  You understand?  Here we are running over to this church, and running over to that church, seeing what Reverend so-and-so has to say about it, and what Cardinal so-and-so has to say about it.  You understand?  And we set ourselves up as a criteria or a judge of what is right.  You understand? 

Dr. Kinely: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: “Well, I think Dr. Kinley is wrong!”  You think!  See, you set yourself up as a judge, and when you don’t straight up!  You get my point? 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: See that devil in us will make us act terrible.  You, see?  Really and truly, you can’t judge what Dr. Kinley’s saying when you come in this class.  You really can’t!  You ain’t got nothing to judge with! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, you gotta get the judge in you.  As Paul said, “Judge nothing till the time come.”  And when is the time?  When the Holy Ghost is poured out on you, and you get the Holy Ghost in your heart and in your mind.  That’s when you’re able to judge, before that time, huh! You make a mess of things.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See?  You understand what I’m talking about? 

Dr. Kinley: Yes.

Dr. Harris: And that’s what make a lot of people come in that door and sit for one or two sessions and then go on out, go on back home.  Well, they done sized this group up!  “I went down there and I found out that they don’t know nothing.  They preaching the same thing down there we preach at our church.”  They don’t know how stupid they are when they do things like that. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: They haven’t discerned at all what’s being taught down here.  You have to stick around her a long time before these things dawns up on you.  I heard Dr. Kinley say a long time ago, about 4 years.  You, see?  It takes about 4 years to get a college degree, and it takes about 4 years before you come to some understanding around here. 

Dr. Kinley Right.

Dr. Harris: And I wasn’t nowhere near that smart, but it took me longer than 4 years, if you take it from the time that I went into school in 1947 to 1951, I still didn’t know nothing.  You get my point?  It’s just been here in the later years that the thing really come to me in the reality of it, you understand, I mean to see it fully.  Oh, I was learning all the time.  Now I don’t mean by that, that those that are coming in now, that it can’t be revealed to you quicker than that.  Dr. Kinley got it in an  .  You understand?  And anything from an instantaneous revelation, you see, to a long drawn out one, over the span of years, Yahweh can accomplish it in any amount of time.  You, see?  But that’s who gives you the understanding, it’s not your learning.  You see, this is His revelation!  So, you can yet understand now, even if you’ve only been in here for 6 months,

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: you can come to some realization that it taken others 15 years to come to.  Do you see my point?  Read on.

Reader: according to His good pleasure.

Dr. Harris: according to His good pleasure, when He got good and ready.  Read.

Reader: which He had purposed in Himself.

Dr. Harris: Which He had purposed in Himself.  You, see?  Way back here in the realm of eternity.  You, see?  You understand?  If we could just picture the situation.  When He was back here in eternity, before He ever made an angelic creation or even a physical creation.  You, see?  There was no man or angel back there for Him to confer with or to consult with.  You get my point? 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: None whatsoever.  And that’s when the thing was instituted and set up.  See?    And that’s when He purposed it in Himself.  And He, look,  He purposed it from start to finish.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, had it already laid out.  Look, it was actually done then.  It was over and done way back here.  The old Christian said: “The old account was settled long ago.”  That’s where it was settled, way back here.  But then He got up and began to carry it out when He took on shape and form.  This is the institution of it,

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: back here in pure spirit.  And this is actually the fulfillment of what He’d instituted back there.  Do you see what I mean?  Now that’s when He purposed it!  Now He didn’t consult with the Pope!  And He did not consult with your Pastor!  And He did not consult with you or I!  You, see?  Now we’re just too late now to come along and say “Well I disagree with you, God or Lord or whatever you want to call Him, I think you should have done it like this because it just aint gonna work”. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: He’s not gonna scrap His whole purpose and plan for you.  He set it us the way it pleased Him! 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: And that’s the way He’s carrying it out.  And we might as well, just might as well, for our own sakes, you see, humble ourselves and accept what He has purposed and what He’s planned because when it is all said and done, now you know whose gonna have His way. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Is it gonna be me or you, or is it gonna be the Creator? 

Dr. Kinley: Me.

Dr. Harris: It just makes sense.  that’s what the spirit said, when He said to Paul there, said “well, why kick against the pricks?”.  We just don’t know how stupid we are going up against the Creator!  But I’ll say again, that devil in us that just make us do things like that, buck up and say: “Where you come from?  What’re you talking about?  What’re you doing it like that for”. You aught of done it like that!  See?  You should have made it that we should be saved through water baptism and Lord Suppers and things like that, rather than the way you made it”.  See we wanna change things. See, and it just aint gonna work.  You, see?  Yet still, it’s necessary that all this opposition be here, cause He also set that up too. 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: He purposed that too.  You, see?  Read on.

Reader: that in the dispensation of the fullness of time.

Dr. Harris: That in the dispensation of the fullness of time.  See, He had a chronological timetable, see to carry out these events.  You, see?  It reminds me of another song they sang, “That He may not come when you want Him but He’s right on time”.   You understand?  Everything He’s ever done, He’s done it on time according to the way He purposed it back here.  Never has been late, never has been too early either, always on time.  Get the point?  Read.

Reader: That He may gather together in one.

Dr. Harris: Now, that He may gather together in one.

Reader: all things Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: in the Messiah Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: both which are in heaven

Dr. Harris: both which are in heaven.  Now that’s the angels

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Reader: and which are on earth

Dr. Harris: and those that are on earth

Reader: even in Him.

Dr. Harris: Even in Him.  Now, somebody’s always asking about, “Now what church do you belong to?”  You, see?  And they don’t realize what a foolish question that is.  There isn’t but one church or congregation or assembly, that’s what the real etymological root of the word church is, congregation or assembly.  There’s only one church or congregation or assembly for anyone to belong to. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  Just the one, because the church is the body of Yahshua the Messiah, or the bride of Yahshua the Messiah.  And when you say how many or what church do you belong to, you make a whoremonger of the Messiah.  You say he’s got a whole lot of women.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris; A whole lot of wives!  He only had one wife back here, that was Israel!  You, see?  And He wouldn’t divorce her, you understand?

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Although she was acted out of sorts.  Understand? 

Dr. Kinley: That’s Right!

Dr. Harris: Committed whoredom, yet still He loved her.  He wouldn’t put her away.  He told Moses, an I wrote back there through Isaiah: “said where is it?  The bill of your divorcement?”  “Since when have I put Isreal away?”  Cause she put herself away. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand what I mean?  You, see?  He didn’t have but the one bride back there.  And He aint got but the one up here.  And it takes many to make up that one congregation or assembly.  You, see?  And if you be in Him, then you are in that church.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: That one He said He was gonna build on that rock!  Not your minister.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand, or your pastor, not that one.  But that one and only, that’s the only one that’s gonna stand. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You see, the gates of hell won’t prevail against that! 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You get the point?   See?  No sireee.  But what I wanted you to see is, He said He was gonna gather together in one.  See?  Now, you’ve got angels in heaven, He said both that that is in heaven, and that that is in earth, even into one.  Now this church that we belong to; that’s the same one that Michael and Gabriel belong to! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Now is Michael and Gabriel on your roster at your church?  Have you got them enrolled in your minister’s guide at your church?  Well, we have.    

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.  That’s Right.

Dr. Harris: Yes sir!  They are members in good standing in our book.  Michael and Gabriel and Aziel, and others of the angel, see, because we all belong to one assembly or that congregation or that one church.  That’s the one He said that He’s gonna gather together in one, even in Yahshua the Messiah. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Do you see what I’m talking about?  See?  We have just been taught foolishly all of our lifetime, and we just don’t know straight up when it comes to the reality and Purpose of Yahweh.  You, see?  Now that’s what it said.  Now Paul said that He was gonna gather together all that is in heaven and all that was in the earth, even into one.  Now, that is all that believe in Yahshua the Messiah, I just want to put that in.  Not everybody’s gonnna be in that church. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Just believers in Yahshua the Messiah.  You, see.  Said He’s gonna gather them together even into one, even into Yahshua the Messiah.  Now we could ask you the $64,000 question.  Why?  Why is that the Purpose of God or Yahweh?  Why is He doing it that way?  Why is He gonna gather in one, all that are in heaven and all that are in earth even into one?  See?  Do you see now why it just won’t suffice for you to run over there in Ephesians 9 and 10 and give that as an answer to the Purpose?  Yes, it says it there, but that’s not enough!  Cause what you really do, what you’re really dealing with is just the upward phase of the thing.  It’s got a downward phase and an upward phase, and you’ve left out 50% of the overall purpose.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  You’re dealing with it in its going back phase. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  We wanna get the downward phase first.  You, see?  Now what is the downward phase.  You, see?  Now what is the downward phase?  Now when you got back here to the Law and to the Testimony, you see, I want somebody to pick up Colossians 1:13.  You see?

Reader: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness.

Dr. Harris: Now then, Paul said “who hath delivered us from the power of darkness.”  Read on down there where it says “who is image”

Reader: Who is the image of the invisible El.

Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: The first cause of all creation.

Dr. Harris: The first cause of all creation.  Now the King James version says, “the first born of every creature”, which is the same meaning. Now, what he’s referring to is, see, this cloud that led the children of Israel up out of Egypt, that was a phenomenal cloud.  Now look, not a rain cloud like you have out here today. 

Dr. Kinley: Right, Right.

Dr. Harris: We wanna put that across to you, because they were looking at that cloud in a vision! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: It was a phenomenal cloud!  But that cloud that led them up out of Egypt, when they came through the parted waters of the Red Sea, they did not see any similitude or any shape and form in the cloud.  They just didn’t see none.  But that self-same cloud, you see, when it hovered over on Mount Sinai, you see, and Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu were called up into the mount, they saw in the cloud there, a man, a man, put it just like that.  I started to say something else, you see, which would have been right.  A man!  I want to put it across to you plain! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: They saw a man!  What do you mean, a flesh and blood man?  No sireee!  A spirit being in the shape and form of a man.  But they wasn’t looking at this with their natural eyes.

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: They were seeing it in a vision. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  That’s a ghost form.  Yea, just as real, you wanna say, “well, are ghosts real?”  Well, this one is.  Yea, that’s a real ghost there, a genuine ghost. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You understand?  And everyone that ever saw it, they remembered it.  They didn’t have no trouble with them, after they saw that form there, in believing whether He existed or not.  Get the point?  Now that’s a spirit being.  Well, you say, “well now, where did that come from?”  You, see?  That spirit being there, or that man, He come right out of the cloud.  You, see?  He was back there all the time in the cloud.  But I said they didn’t see any similitude,

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!

Dr. Harris: but similitude was in there. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: They just didn’t see Him.  Now the cloud typifies Yahweh or Pure Spirit.  That’s the Father.  See?  That’s Him as the All in All and that’s All.  You, see?  Now that cloud — see how we got it drawn all around this chart?  Now look, it seem like I might be repetitious, and I am.  But I tell you the truth, you can go over these things a million and one times and it will be yet foreign to some people. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: We have not really and truly gotten straight yet, the makeup of the Godhead. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.  That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Reason why I know, this is what is happening day in and day out!  We put a line of demarcation between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost!  You, see?  We have the same trouble now that Yahshua the Messiah had back there.  He was a fleshly man! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See?  And when He come in, them people believed in the Father, oh yea, yea we accept the Father.  We know that there’s a God.  He said, “You believe in the Father, believe also in me”.  Well, who are you?  I am the Father manifested in the flesh.  And that’s where we go blind. 

Dr. Kinley: Yeah.

Dr. Harris: That’s where we miss the boat.  We can’t see that that spirit can be manifested in a man.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Fleshly so!  And then when He’s got that spirit manifested in Him, He is as the Father!  He’s one with the Father! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: That’s a Greaaat big mystery.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!

Dr. Harris: That’s one of our troubles though.  We’ll bring this thing down so far, then we’ll get a black out on it.  You understand what I mean?  Because of a vail of the flesh.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand, as Moses put that vail over his face back there in the wilderness, and Paul said that vail still yet remaineth! 

Dr. Kinley: Right…

Dr. Harris: You understand to those that want to look at the flesh.  You gotta be able to look at the flesh and then blot it out, all at the same time, and look to the reality!

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Know no man after the flesh!  Man or woman!  Don’t care who they are!  Where they come from!  What their credentials are!  You understand?  What we wanna know is, what do you got in you. Open your mouth, see.  Let’s see what you gotta say.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: If you don’t say the right thing yea, I don’t care, you can look good as the Queen of Sheba and be one of those satanic spirits incarnated in the flesh. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.  Right.

Dr. Harris: I don’t care what kind of textured hair you got, how fair your skin is, you can be tall and athletic, see just look any kind of way you want to, you see, but if it aint that right thing in there, see I’m sorry about that. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, that’s the way we judge now days you see, by the spirit.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!

Dr. Harris: And we’re all supposed to have that discerning spirit in us.  We’re supposed to know.  We’re not supposed to be duped and fooled like this silly woman back here.  I said silly woman! 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: That’s what Paul called her.  Paul said: “such are silly women, laden”, was just loaded down with sin.  Eve was a silly woman.  Now, she was that way according to the Purpose of Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: See, but we don’t want to be silly now.  You, see?  Now I said this shape and form, it comes from the cloud there.  The cloud is the Father.  He is All in All.  You, see?  He encompasses everything!  There is absolutely no outside of Him!  Whether you recognize it or not!  As Paul says there in Acts 17:28: “it is in Him that we live, and move, and have our being”.  You, see?  Now you’ve always dwelled in the Father, though we have not known it. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, when the astronauts took off to go up to the moon, you see, they told them, “said look around up there, when you get up there, and see if you see the Father or God or something or the other”.  You understand what I mean?  And when they delved down into the ocean, oceanography, they tell them when they do down there, said, “look, see if you see anything strange down there, look like it might be God”.  See, they’re just searching all over the world.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Trying to unravel the mystery of God.  You, you think that they’re interested in interplanetary travel and so forth and so on.  No, what it is, is those satanic spirits trying to unravel the mystery of Yahweh or the mystery of the universe.  That’s what this whole thing’s about.  Understand?  You, see?  Look, when Yahweh cast them out of heaven.

Dr. Kinley: Yeah.

Dr. Harris: He cast them down to everlasting chains of darkness, reserved unto the day of judgement to be punished.  Now they just don’t see nothing of the Purpose of Yahweh.  No, they don’t even have the slightest glimmer.  You see.  Just don’t have it.  Now if you can see that, you’d see how blessed you are to have your eyes open.  You, see?  Now then, I said that is the All in All.  See?  Now let’s don’t make that an emptiness.  You understand what I mean?  Now all this substance, this cloud here, or this spirit which is the Father, that is substance, and it is essence!  Or it is something.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Not nothing.  Because this is the stuff, you see, out of which the whole creation is made, including the angelic creation.  You, see.  If it had of been nothing, then nothing could come from nothing. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

D.r Harris: You get the point?  So this had to be essence or substance.  And everything that you’re gonna ever make, you see, is already laid down in this spirit substance.  You, see?  Now you have to know the Father like that.  You just have to know Him like that!  See?  Now that’ll stop some of this monkey shine too!  You, see?  You get behind closed doors at home.  Understand?  And nobody looking, and nobody in earshot, see, an then carry on a whole lot of foolishness.  You understand what I’m talking about?  An joking around here and hiding there and so forth and so on and so much foolishness going on. You don’t realize, you see, that you’re always in Him and there’s no place you can go to hide. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Aint no hiding place in Him.  Aint no hiding place in there.  David said: “The eyes of Yahweh is in every place beholding the good and the bad”.  You see, and when we’re carrying on all our stuff, you understand, behind closed doors, beyond the eyesight of our friends, see Yahweh is looking right at us. 

Dr. Kinley: I see you.

Dr. Harris: I see you.  He say, “I see how you’re cutting up”. 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: Don’t you know you’re cutting up at that time?  Well, who do you think you are?  Now if you know it, then Yahweh knows it.  Cause that’s what it is in you that make you realize that you’re cutting up.  Ha! Ha! Ha!  You see what I’m talking about?  See?  Now then, out of this substance here, He purposed to take on a shape and a form.  That’s what He did.  He purposed to take on a shape and a form.  You, see?  Now that’s the first born of every creature.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: There was nothing that come before this from here.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  Now Christendom, they say, “before Christ”.  See this is Christ here.  You, see?  There aint nothing before Christ!  [Dr. Kinley laughs]. Aint nothing before Christ.  B.C., that’s stupidity.  See, there’s just nothing before Christ.  He is Himself before all things, so it says there in Colossians where we having you to read.  See, He’s before all things.  Now how you gonna get something before Him? 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  You understand?  There’s just nothing before Him.  He’s the first born of every creature.  Now He is made up of those spiritual attributes that were laid down here in pure spirit.  You, see?  Things that weren’t comprehensible or discernible, you see, but nevertheless they were there.  Divine Intelligence, and Wisdom, and Knowledge, and Beauty, and Love, and Justice,  Foundation, Power, and Strength.  Nine principle attributes.  There are other attributes.

Dr. Kinley: Yes.  That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  Truth, you understand, Meekness, Gentility.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: And things like that.  See, but these are principle attributes that make Him up.  Now then, those took on an organization.  You, see?  Each attribute was placed in its proper order, according to the will of Yahweh, when He took on this shape and form.  And I’d like you to know this, see when you line up Divine Intelligence with Divine Wisdom and Knowledge.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: And Beauty and Love, and Justice and Foundation, Power and Strength, you see, that makes that anthropomorphic body or that heavenly body which is known as the Word of Yahweh, or the Son of Yahweh.  You, see?  Now that’s a body!  But it’s a Spirit body.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Not like our physical body.  Now in this thing here, you see, now I’m a medical doctor, I know about it, see.  Now I saw some patients today, you see, just in agony, you see, from arthritis.  Now what is arthritis?  It aint nothing but an inflammation, you see, of a joint were two bones comes together.  See, this bone here don’t get along with this bone here.  And when it moves, you see, then moves against this bone here, then there’s pain in this one.  See?  You understand, you say, “oops, you see, I’ve got this arthritis in my elbow”.  That’s all it is, an inflammation between two bones, see, where they come together.  See?  Now that’s friction!  You understand what I mean?  And it hurts, you see, when you move this old physical body, because of arthritis, one joint moving against another.  You understand?  That’s in that physical or natural body that you have.  But look!  There is no arthritis in this body here. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Understand?  Oh!  Love just works so wonderful with Divine Intelligence, and Beauty, and Knowledge.  They get along just fine.  You understand?  Just like a well-greased ball joint of an automobile.  You understand what I mean?  No friction whatsoever, see, no pain, no hurt.  See?  That might just kind of open our eyes a little bit, to see how we should be in the body of Yahshua the Messiah. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: If we are members of that body, then why is it that we have friction among ourselves?  Understand what I’m talking about?  Why is it that we can’t get along at times?  And there’s a squabble here, squabble there – now something’s wrong.  Cause there aint no arthritis in this body here.  Is that right?  Now then, when He took on this shape and form, see, He set up Himself then as the Archetype or the Original Pattern of the Universe.  I said He was the first born of all creation, of all creatures.  Then He – who are you talking about?  Yahweh in the shape and form of a spirit being, or a man-like being.  Not a fleshly man but a spirit man. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Then He created first the angelic host.  You understand?  He created the angelic creation without number.  You, see?  Angels don’t procreate.  You see, you don’t read about male and female angels, you see, and then little baby angels, and one angel getting pregnant, you understand, and that kind of stuff, you just don’t read that.  They just don’t procreate.  See?  When He made the angelic host, He just made them without number right then and there, and that was it.  See?  You understand?  An innumerable company!

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  But He was before all of them, you see, and in the eyesight of the Father, you see, He was above every last one of those.  Now Lucifer was among those angels that He created.

Dr. Kinley All right.

Dr. Harris: I want you to know that.  And he rebelled against Him, see, and he thought he actually was above Him, but this was the Top Dog.  I want you to see that.  You, see?  Now later on the physical creation, you see, was created by Him.  You, see?  Now then Him, being the Archetype or the Original Pattern, see when Moses went up into the mount and saw Him in that shape and form and He transformed into that threefold Tabernacle, and told Moses you be sure and make all things according to the pattern shown thee in the mount.  That’s Exodus 25:40. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Now let me tell you this before I go on. You, see?  Now this is vitally important.  I’m trying to take my time and try and let some of this information soak in.  See?  You notice how I’m pausing every now and then cause I want you to kind of get the glimpse of what the thing is about.  Now when Moses and the children of Israel come up out of Egypt, Yahweh told Moses to tell the children of Israel, now you spoil the Egyptians!  You, see?  Go in and gather silver, gold, what they have down there, you see, precious cloth and bring it on out with you.  don’t come out empty handed!  You, see?  Now somebody would think well, just like they speak about this Yahweh of Isreal being a blood-thirsty Yahweh.  See?  That’s right, they’ve written books about that.  You, see?  And there’s a lot of things they don’t understand, back there, that went on.  You, see?  In The Bible Unmasked.  The book that was written about certain acts of lewdness.  Like Lot laying with one of his daughters.  You understand?  Things like that they pick out of the Bible and they say, “Well, even no decent man would do anything like that”.  And all of that was done under the dictates of Yahweh.  You, see? 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: And they look down their nose, so to speak, at this Yahweh back here, see, morality!  And they don’t know that that is set up that way in types and shadows, you see, so that you and I could come to some knowledge and understanding of how the whole thing really should be put together.  See?  Now when they were coming up out of here, I said, Yahweh told them to spoil the Egyptians.  And it looked like that it was another one of His deeds.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Understand?  This blood-thirsty Yahweh or God of Israel, another one of His dastardly deeds, you understand?  It seems unfair that He would tell the children of Israel to take that stuff.  Well, I admit that it would appear that way except for one thing and that’s this.  See, if you’d realized

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: that’s where all that stuff came from

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: that they had down there in Egypt, the gold and the silver, the iron ore and everything else, and the precious cloth, it came right out of here.

Dr. Kinley: Right out of there.

Dr. Harris: Out of Yahweh.  See matter is Spirit materialized!  Get the point?  And every bit of the substance that you have in the physical and natural earth plane, see this is where it comes from. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: And it all belongs to Yahweh.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Including the creature.  Paul said so.

Dr. Kinley: Yeah.

Dr. Harris: In I Corinthians 6:19.  “What? Know ye not that your body is the Temple or Tabernacle of the Holy Spirit which you have of Yahweh and that you are bought with a price.  Wherefore, glorify Yahweh in your body which is His”.  You and I don’t have a body.  It is His body.  He made all these bodies for Him to tabernacle in.  As He told Moses to build this Tabernacle here that I might dwell among my people.  So, all that stuff, that the Israelites were taking out of Egypt, it actually belongs to Yahweh.  it didn’t belong to the devil or Pharoah.  See, he’s the one that had it illegitimately.  You understand”. Yea, he’s the one that had it under false pretense, cause it really belong to Yahweh.  So, what Yahweh was telling the children of Isreal, is take back that that belongs to me, what is rightfully mine.  Now when they come up out of there, Moses nor the children of Israel knew anything about what they were gonna do with that stuff.  They didn’t know anything about it because Joshua hadn’t said anything to Moses about what to do with it.  Now then, He takes Moses on up here in the mount and shows him that incorporeal, manlike, spirit being.  And then He transforms into that threefold Tabernacle.  And then using that pattern there of the Tabernacle, with a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and a Outer Court, using that as a blueprint of pattern or a schematic, He creates the whole entire universe during those 6 solar days that the cloud covered Mount Sinai, and Moses was in the midst of the cloud.  See the sunup here.  the sun is rising and setting, and Moses is up there in the cloud receiving a rerun of the creation of the physical universe.  This is Yahweh showing it to a man, showing a man how He had already created it.  Cause Moses is out here standing on physical Mount Sinai.  You get the point?  The creation is already been created.  But nobody knew anything about how it was created.  Now He’s bring Moses into the knowledge and understanding of how He brought it in, and how He fashioned it.  And everything that Moses saw up there in the creation, see it correlated and corresponded with this pattern here, of the Tabernacle, which is this shape and form.  That’s the reason why in your description of the creation, you’ll read there how He divided the light from the darkness on the first day with the intermediate twilight zone.  And then on the second day the waters above from the waters beneath with the firmament between.  And on the third day the see of vegetation from the bud and from fruition.  And on the four day the seasons of the year were divided, the fall … [Tape runs out on that side.] …then went into the Wilderness of Sinai and guild this little Tabernacle down here out of that stuff that they brought up out of Egypt.  Do you see that?  See, he wouldn’t have qualified to build this one here except that he’d been up here and seen how the Creator had build one first, and showed it to him, and given him divine specifications for building this one here.  You might see that this self-same stuff that was down here in Egypt that Pharaoh and host had down there, they were already building up Pharaoh’s treasure houses.  Is that right?  But Yahweh hadn’t given them any divine specification for it.  Had he?  Now look, if you see that right out of that same substance here, they were building Pharaoh’s treasure houses, then the children of Israel come along, and take that same substance, and go out here and build a Tabernacle by divine specification — now hold you thought now.  I’m trying to show you how you can go in this Bible, and out all the substance that you got in the Bible, if one goes in there without divine specification, that is to the Law and to the Testimony, he can build all kinds of religions out of it.  Methodism, Baptisms, Roman Catholicism, Judaism, and what have you and get all kinds of edifices out of here.  You see?  And another one go in there with that self-same substance according to the divine specification of Yahweh and he comes to build the true Temple or Tabernacle of Yahweh.  Out of the same substance, they’ll take that Bible and say, “Jesus said”, and use the same identical words that we preach down here in the school, same substance, and they’ll come up with a different building than we have.  You see that?  That’s what’s going on out there in the world.  See, they don’t have no guide, nothing to go on.  We got a pattern, and the pattern is the Creator Himself.  Now if you’ve understood what I’ve said up to this time, you can see this one thing, that everything that Yahweh Elohim created, it come out of pure spirit by this shape and form.  That one man!  I said He was before all things.  And the angelic host and the physical creation, see all of it come out by Him.  Even you yourself is made in the likeness and image of Him.  You got the I can’t help its either.  You’re a Tabernacle, a head cavity, a chest cavity, and an abdominal cavity.  Just like the Tabernacle had a Most Holy Place, Holy Place, and an Outer Court.  And you got the same furnishings in your physical body as are laid down in this Tabernacle.  Why do you think, for instance, that your brain is divided into a right half and left half?  Because there was one Cherubim of Glory that stood on that side of the throne, and another Cherubim of Glory that stood on that side of the throne.  Why do you think that your cloud is gray and white matter?  Because the cloud dwelled here between the wings of the Cherubim above the Mercy Seat in the Most Holy Place.  You understand?  Why do you think that you got a little gland there in the base of your brain, got two parts to it, that governs and control your whole physical body?  And last night they had a little news item on the radio about dwarfs, and showing how they live.  As if just a little chemical substance that comes out of that gland, that pituitary gland, that’s located in the base of your brain that determines whether you’ll be a little runt or whether you’ll be a giant.  A chemical substance.  Now if a little chemical substance can do that, what do you think about the great Yahweh?  The Creator, He can determine how big or how small you might be. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand? See, every last one of us is in His hand.  You, see?  But you got to have those glands there as a reminder of the fact that He did have Moses to place the two tables of the Covenant in the base of that Ark there in the Most Holy Place.  You, see?  And that law there that was laid in that Ark governed the operations of that Tabernacle, just like you are under the control of that two-fold pituitary gland.  The master gland of the body.  Do you see what I’m talking about?  Why do you think, you see, that you got a heart over on one side of your body, over in the left side of your chest?  And over against it there’s a great aorta that comes off that has seven branches.  You, see?  It’s because the Tabernacle has a Table of Shewbread over on this side of the house.  And look, don’t fool around.  Some of us like to redecorate every now and then.  And with our schemes and what have you, you understand, we get tired of the old decor, and we gonna change things around.  But not so with this Tabernacle.  You leave this house just like it is!  He told Moses exactly where to put those furnishings, and they couldn’t be moved about. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You get the point?  And neither can you more about the furnishings in your house either.  You take your heart off your left side and put it over on your right side and see if it’ll work.  Nah-uh, you’ve had it.  You get the point?  Now that aorta there correspond to the seven-branch Golden Candle Stick.  Yahweh is proving, you see, the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, and the infallibility of that Bible.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!

Dr. Harris: You understand?  And you’ve got these things manifested in you!  You can’t, you can’t deny it.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  To prove that these things are so.  Your lungs are like this Golden Alter of Incense because you’re breathing in and burning oxygen.  And you’re offering up that incense in your body.  You exhale air, and that incense is wafted on up, You understand?  Right in your own Tabernacle.  You blood is constantly passing all of its substance through the kidneys!  And every bit of it is washed there in the kidneys.  The kidneys are your Laver, in your physical body, to prove the existence of this Laver here.  You, see?  And every bit of food that you eat, is going down here to your alter, which is your large and small intestines.  The large intestine make a square shape configuration here and the small intestines are picture framed inside the large intestine.  And every bit of food you put in your mouth goes right down here and it’s burned up on this altar here, like the sacrifice was offered up on that Alter.  Now people will look at that and say, “Them people don’t know what they’re talking about”.  You understand?  You aint never heard nothing like that before in your life.  I hadn’t, and I’d been to medical school for 28 years.  I never heard it until I came down here.  See.  You understand?  Now, I was saying here, see that everything come out by this shape and form!  Every bit of it.  See?  The angelic creation, you see, and the physical creation.  Now look!  If it come out by that shape and form, by that one, see?  Understand?  Then it goes without saying, Isaiah 46:9 and 10, you see.  It says it’s gotta go right back that self-same way.  You understand?

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: It comes out — let me just tell you something else about that too.

Dr. Kinley: Yes.

Dr. Harris: See, when Moses was up here, he saw this shape and form. 

Dr. Kinley: Yes.

Dr. Harris: See, this is the 32nd chapter of Exodus.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: See?  And he said he saw the names written in the book.  You understand?  They were written in that book!  This is the book that he was looking

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: when he said, Blot me I pray thee out thy book which thou has written and if you won’t forgive them, you see, for making that golden calf, then blot me I pray thee out of thy book which thou has written.  But look, he only saw the names at that time up there.  Understand?  That was all he saw.  That was the second time that he was up there.  But look, when he went up the third time, you see, you understand?   After this man Adam was created, then Adam, if he’s made in the likeness and image of this form here, I said if he is, and he is, Moses said that he was.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Then Adam is also a book.  And you’ll read over in the 5th chapter of Genesis, that this is the book of the generations of Adam. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right. Uh-hum.

Dr. Harris: And Adam and Eve, you see, begat sons and daughters.  You, see?  And you got the generations of the flesh coming out of Adam.

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: You understand?  And every one that came out of Adam, all the way down the line, was those that Moses saw the names written in this book here.  And he only saw the personalities, saw later on the personalities, being manifested out of Adam.  You see that?

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Do you see how everything is coming out by Him?  And you can see it reflected in Adam — all of us come out by Adam, you see, first Adam.  See?  Then that means then that we’re gonna have to go back by that one!

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: You understand?  Now read Isaiah 46:9 and 10.

Reader:Remember the former things of old

Dr. Harris: Just remember the former things of old.  Read.

Reader: For I am Yahweh Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: And there is none else Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: I am Yahweh, and there is none like me.

Dr. Harris I am Yahweh, and there is none like me.  Read.

Reader: Declaring the end from the beginning.

Dr. Harris: Now He’s declaring the end right from the beginning.  Now if it’s this way here at the beginning, and they all come out by that one, then it’s reasonable to know that they all gonna have to be gathered back together in that one. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  Now that’s what the Purpose is!

Dr. Kinley:That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Now look!  If this one that they come out by, if this one that they come out by is not Pope Paul the 6th!  If this is not Michael Ramsey!  If this is not your Pastor!

Dr. Kinley: All right.

Dr. Harris: You understand?  If it’s not, see then they can’t be gathered together by a Pope.  Or you can’t be gathered together in heaven by Michael Ramsey! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Or you can’t be gathered together into heaven by your Pastor.  You gonna have to be gathered together into heaven by the one that you came out by!!  Just the one.  Cause see the one you came out by and the one that’s gonna gather you together, is the one and the self-same one.  That makes Him the author and the finisher of our faith.

Dr. Kinley: All right.

Dr. Harris: Now do you understand?  Now we don’t want no, no, no, no monkey shine now. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See?  There’s nobody can do you any good at all.  You, see?  Now I want you to pick up Colossians there, the 14th verse, and then I’ll be getting on out of the way.  Now this form here, now you follow me now.  See?  We wanna get this thing right down if we can at all.  You, see?  This form here, look!  This is a man I say!  You, see?  Man.  The son, He’s also referred to too. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Now here comes Yahshua the Messiah in, this one they call Jesus, now this is a fleshly man here.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: And He said He was the son.  Now some people might be confused, think, well, they’re two sons.  See, it’s just the one.  Okay.  See?  Now Yahshua the Messiah did call Himself the Son of Man!  You, see?  The Son of Man!  And right away, see, we all think about Joseph, His father, and we think that’s the man that He’s the son of.  Despite our Bible to the contrary.  See, when He was baptized of John here in the Jordan River, see, a voice spoke from heaven, a cloud overshadowed, and a voice came from heaven saying, “This is My beloved Son”. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  I think the voice came from heaven. Now that wasn’t Joseph’s voice cause Joseph wasn’t in heaven, he was in Galilee. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You understand what I mean?  So that couldn’t been Joseph talking.  You, see?  That was the Father that was talking with Him, said, “This is My beloved Son in whom I’m well pleased.”

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: “Hear ye Him”.  Is that right?  You understand?  Now that’s what the Father said.  You, see?  Then later on He asked the disciples, said: “Who do men say that I am”?  See?  I think you’ll find this about the 16th chapter of Matthew.  See?  And I’m gone cut it up short.  Peter spoke up and said, “Thou art Yahshua the Messiah, the son of the living Elohim”.  You, see?  Or in your King James Version, thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.  And He told Peter this, said look, “flesh and blood hath not revealed that unto you”.  And oh boy!  You know that is still yet to this day to, that way.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: No, “flesh and blood has not revealed that unto you but my Father which is in heaven.” 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  Now right there, you see, the Roman Catholics take the thing and run on off.  I don’t have time to go off and explain that now, I wanna keep a straight course if I can.  You, see?  Now it was that self-same Peter, see, if you read on down there just a few verses further, right in that same chapter, when the Messiah began to tell those boys that He had to go up to Jerusalem, and be offered up there by the High Priest, and the elders up there, be crucified, and be buried.  You understand?  See, they didn’t have no knowledge and understanding of the scriptures, you see, and what was going on.  If they had known, you see, that as this lamb was chosen out of the flock back there on the 10th, and held to the 14th, see, they would have seen that He was chosen back here in Yahweh and held over for those 4,000 years, which are those 4 days.  You, see?  Had to be taken out on the 10th, and 10 attributes in that body, see and held over to the 14th, had to be a 4th day, see that’s 4 days, to be crucified.  Come into the world.  The Son come into the world.  See they didn’t know that.  And Peter, speaking out of his own carnal intellect, you see, he said: “aw naw, aint nothing like that gonna happen to you”.  You understand?  “You’re with us.  You’ll be all right.  Don’t worry.  We aint gonna let nothing to you.”  And the Messiah said to him: “Get behind me Satan!”.  Called him Satan.  Said, “Thou art an offense unto me because thou savourest not or thou knowest not, you see, the things that be of Yahweh.”

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: See?  And to this day that statements also true.  People that don’t  know the things that be of Yahweh, and that don’t know His purpose, they are an offense unto those that do know. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, now we know you don’t know, we are willing to help you to know, if you’d just keep your mouth closed, and let somebody tell you something!  But for the most part, the ones that don’t know are the ones that are always spouting off at the mouth.

Dr. Kinley: Right.  Right.

Dr. Harris: Won’t let you get a word in edgeways.  That’s one of the Devil’s slickest tricks.

Dr. Kinley: Yes.

Dr. Harris: Is out-talk somebody. 

Dr. Kinley:______________________ (inaudible)

Dr. Harris: (He laughs after hearing Dr. Kinley) Yea, let that soak in too.  Soloman spoke about it, said: “out of the multitude of words, you see, the heart of ignorance speaketh”.  somebody always running off at the mouth just like a flood of words, see.

Dr. Kinley Right.

Dr. Harris: And people are drowned in that flood too.  See?  Now, we are trying to save people now with wholesome, genuine words.  You, see?  And one word said in knowledge and understanding is better than 10,000 words said in ignorance.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You see, all this blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, and don’t know what we’re talking about.  See?  Now if you can just impart one decent word of understanding to somebody, you might help that person some.  You, see?  That’s the reason why Dr. Kinley, oftentimes, have said to us, “said look, Yahweh is in His Holy Temple, let ALL the world keep silent before Him”.  Keep your mouth shut!  You don’t know nothing!  Me neither.  You, see?  Let the one that has the knowledge and understanding do the speaking! 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: See, and then we’ll learn something, we’ll all be edified.  You, see?  Now Peter, said – I’m not gonna have you ____, now that was Satan operating in that boy here.  That was the same one back here in the garden here that told that woman back there.  You, see?  When Elohim had told the man there, while the woman was yet in him, said, “If you touch the fruit of the tree, thou shall surely die“!  Don’t make no mistake about it.  You gonna die all right if you touch of the fruit of that tree.  And the Devil come right along, and said, “look, thou shalt not surely die.  Aw, aint nothing gonna happen to you”.  You, see?  The Devil just takes the opposite.  Whatever God says, I’ll put it in words you can understand, the Devil will always just take the opposite.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  If Yahweh, in a man, tells you that you don’t have to be baptized in this dispensation and age, the Devil comes along and says, “oh yes you do.  You better get in that water if you want to be saved”.  If the man that has the real genuine knowledge of Yahweh in his heart and mind comes along and tells you, that you don’t have to eat no more physical Lord Suppers in this dispensation and age to be saved.  The Devil says, “You better get down to church there, and eat yourself some Lord supper.  You know what Jesus said: as often as you do eat of this, you show forth my death and suffering until I come again”.  He always gives a plausible excuse!

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: A justifiable excuse, for everything he tells you, and it sounds good.  He told the woman back there, said: “Look, if you eat of that, said it’ll be the one that’ll make you wise.  Understand?  Yahweh knows that  if you eat of the fruit of that tree, you’ll become as wise as God, knowing good and evil”.  That sounded pretty nice to, she said: “well, I certainly would like to be like that”.  See and that thing began to generate in her mind, you see, and she went along and did just that.  You get the point?  Now then, I showed you that was Satan in Peter, that said, “thou art Yahshua, the son of the living Elohim”.  You understand?  Now we got the Father identifying Him as the Son of Yahweh. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: We’ve got the Devil identifying Him as the Son of Yahweh.  You understand?  I could go on and give you more proof.  Now if the Father identified this Yahshua the Messiah, as the Son of Yahweh, and not the son of Joseph!  And if the Devil, manifested in Peter, said that thou art Yahshua, the Son of the living Elohim, Yahweh.  You understand?  Then who are you? 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Are you better than God to say that He’s not the Son of Yahweh?  Or are you worse than the Devil?  You get my point?  Can’t you see you’ve got to be one or the other.  You, see?  Both Yahweh and the Devil said that He was the Son of Yahweh and not the son of Joseph.  And you come along, “Oh no, He was Joseph’s son all right, but I just don’t believe that that anybody could’ve been pregnant without a man”.  And like some others said: “Well, Joseph might not have had anything to do with it, you see, but some other man might have slipped in there”.  (Laughter).  And they did have the Law of Jealousy back there under the Law.  I think that’s about Leviticus the 3rd chapter, I believe.  You, see?  The Law of Jealousy.  What they had to do back there.  If a husband believed that his wife had been unfaithful, see he had a certain ritual that he had to carry out.  And that thing never failed.  If she had been unfaithful, and when he took her up there before that High Priest, and he carried her through that ritual.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, her belly would swell and her thigh would rot when she drank of that potion that he gave her.  See what I’m talking about?  That was back there under the Law.  Understand?  Now Mary, she had to have something to do with another man.  (Laughter)

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: She had.  But you know who that man was?  This is the man she had!  See, that’s the man, the one that created the heaven and earth. 

Dr. Kinley: All right.

Dr. Harris: That’s Elohim!  That’s that man she had something to do with. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: She’d been running around with another man all right.

Dr. Kinley: All right.

Dr. Harris: But this is the one. 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: Not another physical one!  See?  When you fool around with this one here, you’re not in adultery.  You understand?  That’s the real genuine marriage; all the rest is adultery.  This is the one you wanna really be married to. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: But she wasn’t committing adultery to be united with that.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right Brother.

Dr. Harris: Yes, she had another man, and that is the one that was, now let’s get this thing straight. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Now I’ve been wanting to say this.  See this Spirit here is the Father of this shape and form.

Dr. Kinley: Right.  That’s Right.

Dr. Harris: That’s Father and Son!

Dr. Kinley: All right!

Dr. Harris: And also, this shape and form is the Father of this fleshly form. 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: So, this is Father and Son! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.  That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Did you all understand that yet?  Father/Son!  Father/Son!  And when He said I’m the Son of Man, this is the man He was talking about.  That’s the man.  You, see?  Now it was this man that was manifested in this man.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: This one here was a specially prepared body, was walking around, with that blood, you see, in His flesh, that Yahweh had purposed that was to be the salvation of the world. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: And He shed that blood out there on Golgotha, on the cross, see, see, for your and my redemption.  See?  You, understand?  Oh boy.  See?   And when you think about it, the Father purposing that He would send His Son in the world to carry out that mission. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: And look, it was a sore mission too!  You understand?  Oh, it was a rough job.  And it even looked at times as if the Fathers had turned His back on the Son. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  To be down here in the earth plan, see, wrestling with these stubborn creatures that He had made.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Trying to get something over to them.  He told them back here, you see, or at least He told them when He come into the world, that He come in to fulfill the Law and the Prophets.  That means to bring it to an end, to bring it to a close, to complete it, to wrap it up!  And the Devil said, “No, He come in to institute.  You, see?  He come in to set a Christian example for you and I to follow”.  You, see?  No, He said He come in to fulfill, you see, and there’s that disagreement again.  You get my point? 

Dr. Kinley: Yes.

Dr. Harris: Now then, I said that He said that He came in to fulfill.  You see, and even though He spoke those words to the people there, you see, they still didn’t believe that He was fulfilling.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  And they don’t to this day. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: They say He was instituting or setting up a way for you to come unto eternal life.  You, see?  Through following after His footsteps, following in His footsteps.  And all these churches out here, have got you engaged in doing one or another of the things that Jesus did back here, calling yourself earning salvation.  And even though He spoke it plainly to you, that He came in to fulfill.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: They said: “No sireee, we won’t buy it”.  The Devil, you understand, “”He come in instituting”.  But He had the situation covered.  He had it covered.  Understand?  Because He said before time, roughly about 700 years before time, through the mouth of Habakkuk, the prophet, when He said: “Behold ye despisers”, Habakkuk, 1:5.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: “You wonder and perish!  I’ll work a work in your day, that you won’t believe even though a man tell it unto you!” Just as plain as the nose on your face.  Even though He’s telling it to you plain, you won’t believe it. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  And that was their case back there, see, as it is to this day.  He said He come in to fulfill and even though He said it to them plain.  See?  They don’t believe it, even though a man tell it unto them. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: And He told them before time that that just was what they were gonna to do. You, see?  But the Son went on and carried out the will of the Father.  None deterring!  You understand what I’m talking about?  And got down there to the time of His passing, see to be sacrificed on the cross.  See, and it was a sore thing – yea, it pleased Him to carry out the will of the Father.  He said, “Father, if it be thy will, let this cup pass from me.”

Dr. Kinley: Yeah.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  “Nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done”.  And He suffered His Son to go on to the cross.  And to hang out there, you understand, between the heavens and the earth for your and my redemption! 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You get my point?  You, see?  and then He went on into Joseph’s new tomb.  And He rose up out of the grave!  He was the first one that raised from the grave, never to die again!  You understand?  Never to die again.  He rose up triumphant over death, hell, and the grave!  You understand?  And it pleased the Father that His Son had successfully carried out the mission that He sent Him in the world to do.  Now, Yahweh didn’t do that for you, and neither did Elohim do that for you!!  Yahshua the Messiah

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: did that for you!!  You understand?  So, Paul is writing about that over there in Philippians, the 2nd chapter, when he said: “Let this mind.”  Just let it be!  Why just let it be?  Because Yahweh had promised that He’d put His Spirit in your heart and in your mind, if you would just believe! 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: See?  And just by you not believing, you’re preventing it from coming in your heart and in your mind.  If you’ll just quit blocking it, it will come. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!

Dr. Harris: You understand?  The thoughts that come through our mind.  Just let this mind be in you which was in Yahshua the Messiah.  Let this Spirit be in you which was in Yahshua the Messiah.  Who being in the image!

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: This man here.  You see.  Adam was made in the likeness and image of this man here.  And then, when Yahshua the Messiah come along, this Adam here was a figure of Him that was to come.

Dr. Kinley: Right.  That’s right.

Dr. Harris: You understand?

Dr. Kinley: That’s Right!

Dr. Harris: So, Paul is saying: “who being in the image of the Father, thought it not robbery to be equal with the Father”.  Why?  Because He was the Father manifested in the flesh!  You understand?  But He made of Himself no reputation!  And being found was found in form as a man, you see, and humbled Himself right on down to the death on the cross.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  And for this cause, you understand, for this cause, see, because He went through all that.  He did what no other man could do!  Do you understand what I’m talking about?  Alone and by Himself, He suffered through it all!  I often think about what Isaiah said: “Who is this that cometh from Edom,” He come on down, “with dyed garments from Bozrah?  See?  Why art thou red in thine apparel?”  He was crucified from the foundation of the world.  And He alone brought salvation down, and there was none with Him!  Isiah couldn’t help Him! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Jeremiah couldn’t help Him!  Daniel couldn’t help Him! 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: The whole angelic host.  You understand?  They couldn’t help Him!  He had to suffer the thing all by Himself.  And for this cause.  You understand?  Since it couldn’t come by no other man, Yahweh demands that you fall down and worship His Son!!  You understand?  And those that won’t do it, You, see?  He’s got a place reserved for you.  He hasn’t left you out. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: He’s made arrangements for unbelievers. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand what I mean?  He’s got the lake prepared for all those that won’t honor His Son.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: “For this cause, you see, Yahweh has exalted Him above every name that is called, so that at the name of Yahshua the Messiah every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess.”  And Peter said there in Acts 4:12: “There is no other name given among men, whereby men can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the Messiah.”  Now Jesus won’t get it! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Lord won’t get it!  And God won’t get it!  Now you can just go on with your stubbornness, but it just won’t get it. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See?  This is the way Yahweh has set up the purpose.  You, see?  And that’s what Paul is talking about there, in Colossians there.  You, see?  Start in about the 14th verse and I’ll be down off the floor.

Reader: In whom we have redemption through His blood.

Dr. Harris: In whom we have redemption through His blood.  He had that blood in that body that He come in to sacrifice for the sins of the world.  Read.

Reader: Even the forgiveness of sins.

Dr. Harris: Even the forgiveness of sins.  Read.

Reader: Who is the image of the invisible El.

Dr. Harris: He was the image of the invisible El

Reader: The first cause of all creation.

Dr. Harris: Look!  Believe it or not, this fleshly man that was walking around in the earth plane, He was the first born of all creation!! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Is that right?  Now it look like He come in last.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand, the end of that 4,000 years.  But look!  If you see who He was, you’ll find out that He was first!  You, see?  That He was the firstborn of the whole creation.  Read.

Reader: For by Him were all things created.

Dr. Harris: Then again, now, look, I want you to see this.  Look at this man here and see what the situation was then, and you can get it down here like it is today.  See?  He was walking around in the flesh, and Paul said, “it is a great mystery”.  If you can look at a measly little old man.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  And see that that is that Spirit manifested in that body, and he was the one, in fact, that created the heavens and the earth!  And He proved that He did, because you don’t go out and tell the winds to, you see, be still, and sea calms on down and the waves stop roaring.  You don’t do that!!  See, you go out here on the Pacific ocean tonight and them winds get boisterous, you better get out of there! 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You understand what I’m talking about?  You, see?  Something’s gonna happen.  A lot of people have gotten drowned. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Understand?  But this one here, He calmed the winds and the waves.  He healed all manner of diseases, to prove that He was this one right back here.  You understand what I’m talking about?  Read on.

Reader: For by Him were all things created.

Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: That are in heaven Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: And that are in earth Dr. Harris: That are in earth.

Reader: Visible and invisible Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: Whether they be thrones or dominions

Dr. Harris: Didn’t I tell you that?  All of it come out by Him.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: Read.

Reader:Or power

Dr. Harris: Read.

Reader: All things were created by Him, and for Him

Dr. Harris: And for Him.  Created by Him and for Him.  He’s creating them according to His own good pleasure.  Read on.

Reader: And He is before all things

Dr. Harris: Didn’t I tell you that?  He is before all things!  He was the first born of all creation.  You understand?  He’s before all things.  Read.

Reader: And in Him all things have been permanently placed.

Dr. Harris: And in Him all things have been permanently placed.  That’s the way that Yahweh, the Father, set up the whole thing and purposed it from the beginning.

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: You, see?  That the whole thing would be carried out through Him.  See come out by Him and go back by Him.  Read on.

Reader: And He is the head of the body.

Dr. Harris: And He is the head of the body!  Didn’t the Founder and Dean tell you that?  “Look!  You can have another Dean, but you can’t have another Founder.”  He’s the head! 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Nobody’s trying to take his place.  See, you can’t take his place.  See, you couldn’t take this man’s place back here.  Sister Zebedee tried that stuff one time. 

Dr. Kinley: Right!

Dr. Harris: She had two sons, James and John. 

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: See, and they were pretty mighty boys too, and they called them the “Sons of Thunder”.  And see, she was so proud of them.

Dr. Kinley: Yeah.

Dr. Harris: Understand?  Her two sons.  She went up to the Messiah one day, and said: “Good master, said look, when you come to your Kingdom, said would you just grant me, that one of my sons could set on your right hand and the other one set on your left hand.  You, see?  James on one side and John on the other, my two boys.”  That’s Miss. Zebedee, see?  And Yahshua said to her, said, “It’s not mine to give, but it’s given to those that it’s already given to.”  Now, she didn’t know, see, that Michael and Gabriel had them seats up there.

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: Elohim set on this throne, you see, and this is one on the one hand, and one on the other hand, Michael and Gabriel.  Now James and John weren’t gonna take the place

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: of them two angels.  Nuh-uh.  See, it was already given unto them. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: See?  And let me open up your eyes to tis, if you be in that heavenly body, see, don’t you worry about it, you’ve got a reserved seat!

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!  That’s right!

Dr. Harris: You’ve got a reserved seat!  Nobody can take your seat!  See, you got the ticket to your seat.  You got A-3.  You understand?  And you better not go down and find somebody sitting in your seat, the usher’ll get them up!  Say, “Hey look!  This is Hobbs’ seat.”  You get the point?  So don’t worry about it.  We don’t have to be scrambling around, if we be in that body, like musical chair.  You understand what I mean?  Knocking over one another because you think you don’t have no seat.  Everybody that’s in that body has got a reserved seat!!  And nobody can take your place!!  Each in his own order.  You, see?  Now maybe that might cut out some of this pushing and shoving

Dr. Kinley: Right.

Dr. Harris: that we do at times.  Thinking somebody’s gonna crowd us out or something like that.  You see, aint no sense in that, it’s plenty of room. 

Dr. Kinley: that’s right!

Dr. Harris: You see what I’m talking about?  Now He’s been permanently placed.  You, see?  He’s before all things.  Now read on and I’ll be finished.

Reader: And He is the head of the body.

Dr. Harris: He is the head of the body.

Reader: The assembly Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: Who is the beginning Dr. Harris: (Repeats)

Reader: The first born from the dead.

Dr. Harris: The first born from the dead.  I told you that.  Read on.

Reader: That in all things He might have the preeminence.

Dr. Harris: That in all things He might have the preeminence. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right!!

Dr. Harris: You understand?  Look!  That’s what we want to see folks!  You can’t have no preeminence!  You can’t give none to your Pastor!  The Pope can’t have any!  This is the one that the Father purposed to have all the preeminence, and He was manifested in His Son.  You see, and all the glory is gonna to go unto Him. 

Dr. Kinley: That’s right.

Dr. Harris: So, we just might as well cut out.  You understand?  Read on.

Reader: For it pleased the Father

Dr. Harris: Now this is what I wanted to get down to.

Reader: That in Him should all fullness dwell.

Dr. Harris: Look!  It pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell.  And the Father set up the thing way back here in the eternity of Himself, without consulting with you or with me, and He was pleased with the way that He set it up and purposed it.  And that’s just the way He’s carrying it out.  You understand?  Now what we want to do is get on to how the Father has set it up.  You, see?  And we want to get in step with His purpose.  Because it’s only through that means that we can be saved.  I thank you very much.