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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley


Los Angeles

original recording on reel recorder by Dr. Carl F. Gross

transferred to two 60 minute audio cassettes


transcribed by Mary Colucci

proofread by Geraldine Rothstein

approved by International Public Relations Committee – October 1994

Transcribers Notes: 

1.  … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended the sentence without verbally completing it

2.  Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded.

3.  Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability (see, you see, see it now, see that now, you see that now, you see what I mean, you see what I’m talking about, you understand, you understand what I’m talking about, is that right, ain’t that right, you understand, you understand what I’m talking about)

4.  ___ indicates an inaudible word or syllable


3………………………. Qualified

3………………………. Education, diplomas

3 – 5, 13, 16, 17…..  Carnal mind

3, 17………………….   Only God can teach

4………………………  Sit up front

4 ……………………… Agree with thine adversary

5, 8 …………………..  Prove it

5 ……………………… Everything is within the realm of eternity

5 – 7, 16 …………….    Rapture and millennial reign

7 – 19 ………………..   3rd day = 2300 and then sanctuary cleansed, 1 day = 1000 years, 3rd and 6th day

9 ……………………… Superincorporeal, incorporeal

9 ……………………… Pure spirit only created 1 thing

10, 11 ……………….    1260 days = 42 months = 3 1/2 years

13 …………………….  Purpose

17, 18 ……………….    Dr. Kinley is creator embodied, revealer of secrets

17, 18………………..    You are God incarnate


Dr. Gross speaking into his recorder:  This tape is concerning the 2300 days and the millennium by Dr. Henry C. Kinley.

Dr. Harris is reading the scripture reading Daniel 8:1-27 (KJV): 

     Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.  And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.  Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns:  and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.  I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.  And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground:  and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.  And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.  And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns:  and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him:  and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.  Therefore the he goat waxed very great:  and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.  And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceedingly great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.  And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.  Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.  And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.  Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?  And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.  And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.  And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.  So he came near where I stood:  and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face:  but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man:  for at the time of the end shall be the vision.  Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground:  but he touched me, and set me upright.  And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation:  for at the time appointed the end shall be.  The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.  And the rough goat is the king of Grecia; and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.  Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.  And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.  And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power:  and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.  And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many:  he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes, but he shall be broken without hand.  And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true:  wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.  And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Dr. Kinley: Thank you ever so much.  I want to say first of all that I’m happy and glad to be here to talk with you about the things that even stagger the imagination of men:  errors and mistakes have been made, serious errors by the most trained Bible theologians that you know anything about.  Now we have told you for a long, long time, in fact I’ve been telling you for 35 years, that there is no man on the face of this earth.  He just didn’t hear it.  Now when I say that, I mean just what I said.  And I don’t, I don’t need nobody to go outside the building out there and try to tell somebody what I mean by what I say:  I meant just what I said.  Now then, if anything definite is learned about God, God will have to teach it Himself:  your head, your carnal mind is inadequate and insufficient.  Now that means this:  that your degrees, your diplomas, your education, none of it, it ain’t no good. 

     Now we incorporated this school to teach you about the deep esoteric secrets of God.  Now I mean by that (I don’t mean that I’m capable and qualified to teach or to think, I don’t mean that,) I mean that God Almighty must be in me and if not I’m disqualified.  The Holy Spirit, God is the teacher.  As the Apostle Paul said, our sufficiency is not of ourselves that we ought to even think anything, and whatever you think, whatever you think with a carnal mind that you were born with, whatever you think about anything – that’s wrong.  Maybe you wouldn’t understand that.  Lot of people wouldn’t make a statement like that.  You say, `how do you know that what I think is wrong, is wrong?  How do you know?  What do you mean?  You a fortune teller or something like that.’  Well you do admit that you did think it, didn’t you?  Well, if it was you thinking it, there’s no other way for it to be but wrong because the carnal mind is insufficient to penetrate a spiritual realm.  There is no other conclusion to come to,  but its just wrong:  in other words you think in negation and you’re not capable or qualified to think in a spiritual realm, just not capable in the state that you were born in.  Therefore it necessitates a change.  Did I get that through to you?

Audience: Yes

Dr. Kinley: Now listen at me now.  I don’t wanna waste no time.  I don’t want to mince no words and I want to give you an opportunity – I’ve been walking around here telling you that if you had any questions of any kind, see me.  I told you that I had a vision and a revelation and I’ve asked you to make me prove it.  That was 35 years ago.  No man from no where, regardless of his training or what not, has been able to make me repudiate or withdraw that statement.  I’ve been up against the very best and the very smartest of them. 

     Now last week I told you that we wanted to get down to business, so I don’t wanna waste no time.  I want to go right into it, very crux of it. 

     Now the first thing I wanna tell you is this:  I asked you people not to sit in the back.  I, I asked you to get up close where you could see and hear.  Now if I don’t have to talk loud enough or whatever and you didn’t do what I asked you, it’s not my fault, blame yourself.  Now that was my instructions to you:  to get up close.  And the reason why I want you to get up close:  I know that these charts and things are hard to see and Dr. Gross and the painters and what not, they’re going over ’em all the time so…  And we try to get ’em so you could see in the back.  We do everything possible for you to see and understand.  And now if you are interested and you want to see, if you feel you can see from where you set, that, that’s alright with me. 

     And you recall I told you (now it’s your soul) I’m not down here to argue with nobody, I’m not down here to agree with anybody either.  Somebody said, `Well listen, didn’t Jesus say agree with thine adversary whilst thou art in the way with him.’  No.  Then somebody got the finger on it right in the book.  Said, `Jesus said, here it is right here, chapter and verse.’  Said, `I got him that time, he didn’t know that was in the Bible.’  No, you’re mistaken.  Now here’s how some of them mistakes are made.  Now listen at me cause if you don’t, you’ll never understand, you’ll never get the gist.  He did not say that to the people of this dispensation.  He didn’t say that.  Now He said to those Jews that were under the dispensation of the Law, where before He died, His blood had not atoned for and everything was dead from the fall of Adam.  Everybody was in the same rut.  And when I say everybody now would you please take it that I do mean everybody.  Don’t go here and try and tell somebody, I meant somebody else, all but, I mean everybody.  Now that goes for the high priest, everybody all the way down.  Now He said to them, agree with thine adversary (Messiah when He was here) because all of ’em are in the same rut.  Now while you are in that state and in that condition, you just might as well agree with your adversary because whether you realize it or not you’re in the way with him.  You hear Dr. Gross?  You get the point?  So while you’re in the way with him agree with him cause all of you are in the same rut, Jews and Gentiles, and there was none righteous, no not a one.  They was all…  But you see now somebody with a different interpretation on that, what they would think that I didn’t know that that was in the Bible.  And they’d wanna waste my and your time trying to find it in the Bible, run some reference to read it to me that it was what they said was in there, was in there…  You get the point? 

     Now I asked you to bring a lot of books.  I don’t know what all you have brought but we’ve gathered up a lot of books from …  Dr. Gross, we’ve got Catholic and Protestant Bibles, we’ve got revised Standard Version, we’ve got the Holy Name Bible, we’ve got King James Version and I don’t know and just all kinds of books written by different smart men.  Seven Day Adventists – we’ve got them here.  We’ve got the one I wrote.  Now it’s a whole lot of gall to stand up and say they’re all wrong.  And you should never do that unless you are able to prove it.  Never do a thing like that unless you are prepared to prove it.  Well I’m prepared to prove it.

     Now first thing I wanna tell you is how they missed the boat, is this, now this is how we missed it.  Now you believe me when I tell you this.  Now just in case you don’t believe me, then right there is where you need to jump on me tonight.  Don’t be embarrassed cause none of you in here are not perfect with knowledge.  Said, ‘Well, I’m not going to ask him a question like that cause somebody might think I’m dumb.’  There’s nobody in here at all that’s over capacitated with intelligence, so just feel at home, make yourself at home.  Now you understand that kind of talk don’t you?  Well, now believe me when I tell you that the whole entire purpose of God, now we’ve done sweated and we’ve done preached, all of us have, telling you this one thing.  We told you over and over and over and over and over, been telling you for 35 years the same thing.  No change.  People have said `Well listen, I’m sick and tired of that, now unless he can tell me something new, there’s no sense in me going down there tonight.’  Now what we think there is, we imagined that we learned, we already know what it’s all…, that’s what we imagine, and when you’re not paying no attention you walk up to me unconsciously and ask me a question that I have answered for you I don’t know how many times but you don’t perceive that I have answered you. 

     Here’s another remark I have made to you.  I told you that it was possible for you to know anything, the very depths of the esoteric secrets of God, it was possible for everybody in this building to know.  That’s right.  I told you that there was a way to find out, know anything that can be known about God, about the devil.  I told you that.  Now, one more time, one more time – everything is within the realm of eternity.  You have been there all the time, you have never been outside of it.  You never will be, believe it or not. 

     Now here’s the subjugation of the carnal mind, a carnal mind is subject to thinking like this:  they think that God is way up there in the sky and I’m down here on the earth and I’m separated from God.  And one of these days, He’s gonna come down and get me (now I’m telling you how a carnal mind thinks) and then I’m gonna go to be and live with God.  And those of you who have relatives that are dead, the preacher has got up in the pulpit and he’s told you this:  that one of these days we’re gonna all meet mother and our progenitors and ancestors and our relatives on the other side of the veil (and he works on your passions and sympathies) and we’re gonna all be in heaven with Jesus.  He’s coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle or any such thing.  Then we’ll turn around and go in the Bible for whatever a verse we imagine bears out our carnal concept, we’ll read that.  Now that’s supposed to be right, that’s supposed to be the doctrine.  And that’s, that’s how all of these books in theology are made up, just like that.  That’s how all these divisions and all are made up just like that.  Well, I wanna tell you that’s a lot of hogwash.  That’s not the way it is.  Now that looks, now that looks bad, don’t it.  Looks bad from the very word go. 

     Now here is some books.  Now here, now this is, this is called a Bible Panorama.  Now here is a book here from this Holy Name Bible Society here.  Now they’re figuring prophetic intervals and what not and they’re showing you how the thing is drawn out from the Garden of Eden, starting here with the creation like we do here.  Now you’re all gonna have to work with me because pretty soon I won’t be able to touch the ground here and you have to pay strict attention, but I got to get this thing laid straight.  They come on down through here and explain it.  They come on down through the dispensations, before the flood, and the Garden of Eden and before the flood on down through here.  Take it clear on down to the end.  This is their explanation of it.  Comes on down.  Now they got Jesus here baptized at the River Jordan, you know how the story goes.  Then they got here Pentecost.  Then they got the rapture here on up.  And then after the rapture He come and grabs you out, as I told you a while ago and catch you up into heaven:  and the righteous dead that are living they will be resurrected, and the righteous dead living, I mean the righteous dead that are dead and the righteous living that are living, they’ll all be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.  Then after that, then the man of sin, which is the antichrist.  Now this is the, I’m talking about the picture, here it is, anybody can have it, anybody can see it.  Then after that this antichrist – his reign.  Then in the next, the 6th dispensation ends in the Revelation.  Now here He comes back here, only comes part of the way down here, He comes back here and his feet is gonna come down and touch the Mount Olives.  Now if just anybody, just any stupe, just any real good stupid person.  Now if He come down here after Pentecost, if He come down here and caught up the righteous dead and the living dead, what would He be coming back for over here?  And if all of them was in heaven, all the righteous dead and all the righteous living, what would antichrist be doing down here with all these millions.  He wouldn’t have nothing to come back after – not a thing.  But now He’s gonna be stupid enough to come back over here, and come all the way down to Mount Olives.  You see that now?  And then after that, this is Him comin’ down.  Then is the judgement of the nations, meaning the different nations in the earth.  And then they’re gonna, they’re gonna live and reign with him a thousand years:  that’s the millennial reign.  Now you get this word millennium, millennium in Latin means a thousand.  Now here is one millennium or 1000 years here that there is.  That He’s gonna catch these out, He’s gonna catch these out and they’re gonna be in heaven here.  And then He’s gonna come back and bring them with him, but notwithstanding there’s nothing in here because here is the antichrist, all these are of the devil.  And then He’s gonna come back here, what for I don’t know. 


… destroy the wicked here.  Now look, now look how further stupid we get. Then we’re gonna turn around and resurrect – here’s the pictures (I’m showing you how you can see), the pictures are right here, they speak for theirself.  Then He’s gonna resurrect the unrighteous dead, the sinners.  Now this is supposed to be the second resurrection.  And then there, all these, the unrighteous and these unrighteous living, unrighteous dead and the unrighteous living, they’re going to appear at the white throne of judgement.  And whosoever is not there found in the Lamb’s Book of Life will be sent to the Lake.  And then after that it, it’s finished.

     Now what did I bring this up for?  why did I say that?  Now last week you recall, if you recall I told you about the prophecy of Daniel.  Dr. Gross he tried to teach the clearness of it the week before, well he was last week and this, this week.  Now here you just read in, in the 8th chapter of Daniel.  Now Dr. Gross you’re gonna have to, whoever put this up there is going to have to get me some 2300 days.  Now put it up here cause you’ve got it in them books down there, they’ve drawn it all out, that’s the reason why I had you to bring these books, the Seventh Day Adventist and all of ’em.  Don’t go putting nothing on the board half cocked.

     Now I wanna show you, if you noticed I specifically stated and pointed out that millennium and showed you that it meant a thousand.  Well now they’ve got Him coming back, now they’re talking about that thousand, haven’t said nothing about all these other thousands of years beforehand.  Now when I say that, I mean this:  one day with the Lord is as a thousand years is each one of these days that the sun hung over, that the sun rose and set and this cloud…  Now this is 1490 years before the birth of the Messiah.  Now this cloud brought the Children of Israel out of the land of Egypt and they passed through the Red Sea in the cloud and in the sea.  And then they went through there to the, and went finally to the Mount Moriah or Mount Sinai.  And God gave them 3 days to clean up and He spoke the 10 commandments from the mount.  This is not an eye, this is a mouth – showing that God spoke the ten commandments from Mount Sinai and they were gathered around here. Now I told you this was the first congregation or the first church.  The word church means congregation or assembly. 

     Now what I’m gonna try to do is put this together in continuity, now you try to follow me, you try to follow me now.  Now you remember I told you about the millennium.  I told you millennium means thousand.  Now Psalms 90:4 says 1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years when it is passed and as a watch in the night.  Peter 3, II Peter 3:8 says that 1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years. 

     Now look here.  Don’t you mess up this with the Lord business with this, with the man.  Don’t do that.  Now look, look up here.  While this cloud hung over this mountain and Moses sees the vision of the creation during the time that the sun is rising and setting and the cloud is hanging over the top of the mount and he is seeing a vision.  You recall that Daniel spoke about a vision there.  I try to tell you all scriptures, that’s how they was given.  You remember that Daniel said there that, speak to that man, Gabriel make this man to understand the vision.  Then you went on down to the 14th verse and in the 14th verse, suppose you read it. 

Dr. Harris: And he said unto me,

Dr. Kinley: And he said unto me,

Dr. Harris: unto 2300 days

Dr. Kinley: And he said unto me, unto 2300 days

Dr. Harris: then shall the sanctuary be cleansed

Dr. Kinley: then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.  Now if ____ ____ and all of em messed it up and we got down to this one little millennial thing down here.  They have paid no attention to it at all.  Look up folks – while this cloud is hanging over this mountain and Moses is seeing that vision, every time that sun rises and sets, as the sun went down this cloud was become a pillar of fire by night.  I told you a while ago and I’m repeating it again.  I said everything that happens, happens within this cloud or within the realm of eternity.  You have always been in it and you always will and you never will get out of it.  Now if you don’t learn no more than that tonight – it beats what you been learning.  Now look Rip, see this cloud, a burning cloud, everything is in that, within the cloud. 

     Now when you get over here in the 20th chapter of Revelation.  I made the statement here one time not too long ago and I know that somebody is just bound to fall over it.  And I make them statements like that so you can fall over it and so you will jump on me.  I wouldn’t have said it if I thought everyone understood it.  I said it to attract your attention.  I said you’re already in the Lake.  Now this burning cloud that you’re in here, is by matter, it’s coming into existence, undergoing a change in this burning cloud and God is creating the heavens and earth during them 6 days.  Now listen them 6 days means 6 millenniums.  I’d have you to know Dr. Gross this is a day with the Lord, I did not say the man.  It’s the Lord that’s doing this creating, it’s not Moses.  Now 1 day with Him, the Lord, is as a thousand years, is as a thousand years is as 1 day.  Now Jehovah’s Witnesses. I’ve had you to bring these books, there’s no point in bringing ’em, there’s no point in bringing ’em if, if, if you, if, if we’re not gonna try to learn something.  I told you flatly that they was wrong.  Now my job is proving it.  Now they say that each one of these days is 7000 years long and that He was 42000 years (6 times 7 is 42)  42000 years in creating the universe.  I say wrong – don’t have no Bible for it.  I know how they got it.  That’s a thousand years.  Now Peter when he’s talking about it, he’s looking right back here, he says 1 day with the Lord, beloved be not ignorant of this one thing, that 1 day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as 1 day.  Now he went on to say this, II Peter the 3rd chapter, he went on to express (listen, listen,) he said the day (not days, he didn’t say days, he said the day) of the Lord will come as a thief in night.  Paul said the same thing.  David said, got the same repetition of your words.  One day with the Lord is as a thousand, is as yesterday – a thousand years when it’s past (listen) as a watch in the night.  Now when God abolished that chaosis and that darkness, there was no darkness there at all – all day, none at all.  Now John on the Isle of Patmos, he was out there to confirm and verify – he looked and he seen and he said there was no night there.  In your Bible where you start at in Genesis, it says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and darkness, darkness (you heard me), I said darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the water and God said let there be light.  The evening and the morning was the first day.  Now that chaosis or that darkness is abolished.  It never has come back no more.  It’s gone.  Now here’s the Lord down here on the earth incarnated in a body.  That’s the same God incarnate that’s fulfilling. 

     Now you watch Williams, keep your eyes closed, don’t close your eyes, close your eyes – you’ll loose sight on the word.  Now this is in the beginning of the creation of the physical counterparts of the universe, not the beginning of creation.  I did not say that Rip.  Here’s the beginning of the creation right here, is when He took on incorporeal form.  That’s pure spirit taking on a shape and form.  Then He, then He created after that.  So God as pure spirit never created but one thing.  And in a certain sense and that was, it was just Him taking on the incorporeal shape and form so that they could see Him.  Now that in, that in shape and form that’s called the Holy Ghost in your terminology.  Now listen, I didn’t say it was ghost-like, I said that is the Holy Ghost.  That’s Elohim.  That’s incorporeal.  That’s not physical, corporeal – means physical.  Incorporeal means not physical.  Superincorporeal means above even the corporeal or incorporeal.  Now watch, watch.  As you see, him looking there, He in that condition creates everything and Moses is looking at Him in this incorporeal form.  Now you have to see Him first in that shape and form, as pure spirit He couldn’t conceive it.  He had to take on a shape and form.  Moses saw that before he saw the creation.  Now I remember times past when they said `Well, look here I think maybe this creation here it was first before this tabernacle in all.’  And we had four or five rounds about it.  Now watch it.  Watch, watch it answer its ownself.  Now here is John on the Isle of Patmos, it’s surrounded by water just like the earth is surrounded by water here.  And Moses up there seeing the vision and seeing the earth surrounded, but he saw Him first before he saw that.  Now here’s John on the Isle of Patmos is surrounded by water and he heard behind him a voice, as a voice of many words, many waters, I meant to say.  And he said he turned to see the voice that spake with him and he saw Him just like Moses saw Him.  Now they’re questioning and arguing around about the tabernacle, so then, here he describes what his feet was as brass, He was walking in the midst of the golden candlesticks when John saw Him.  See the transfiguration there.  Now that just stopped everybody’s mouth.  Now as long as you don’t understand that you’re gonna keep your mouth running.  Now these things have got to be proven.  Water around here, got to be water here surrounding.  Moses got to see Him in a vision, transfigured into this tabernacle and that’s when John saw Him.  John saw Him as the tabernacle itself, transfigured state.  Now listen Wallace, that does away with all the arguments.  Are you watching?  Are you sure you’re watching?  Now here’s what I said abolished that chaosis.  This is in the beginning here.  I wouldn’t buy that at all.  I wouldn’t buy it at all.

     Now all of the theologians you know anything about, don’t make no difference who they are, all the commentators that you can go and drag up – start right there in Genesis 1:1 to tell you about the creation.  And I say he don’t know nothing about it.  And he don’t have no way to prove it, what he thinks about what he just read, and I mean he’s reading it too right out of the book.  Now look, watch.  Now this is the beginning of the trip.  Egypt is the plague, Egypt is in chaosis,  she’s in black in darkness, I mean stygian black darkness when they leave out of here.  Now this is in the beginning of the migration.  Now this beginning, now God has poured out them plagues down here, she’s in a devastated or chaotic and she’s in darkness, when they started here from the Red Sea, go through the Red Sea.  Now listen, this beginning, just shove it around up here.  Listen, they slew the lamb down there, is that right?

Audience: Right.  Yes.

Dr. Kinley: He was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.  It’s dark down there and it’s dark up there.  This is the beginning of the migration and that’s the beginning up there.  You see that now?

Audience: Right.

Dr. Kinley: Moses said he’s surrounded by water in Egypt, by water there.  They went through here in the cloud, in that same cloud that they went through here the Red Sea, is that same cloud that’s over the top of this mountain.  Now listen, listen.  Now here he’s got 2300 days here.  Now all of ’em, they telling me about the 2300 days -reaches from BC 457 and them 2300 days reaches on down to here to 1844.  Here’s the diagrams in the books.  Anybody can buy a book.  There it is.  Well now somebody would say, ‘now what’s that got to do with what you just said over there.’  Now here’s what it’s got to do with what I just said. 

     Now I’m going to take it both ways so you can see the 2300.  Now that’s the 2300 days that Daniel was talking about.  Now look folks, look.  You see all these charts around here.  I’m not, I’m not doing anything but just proving the same thing right over and over and over.  Isn’t that what I told you?  Now look, look Williams, there’s 3 days journey to the Red Sea and the Red Sea parts – 3 days journey.  Egypt is in darkness and the only light they had was that cloud, it was a burning pillar of fire by night.  We’ll call that cosmic light so that you can catch on to it up here.  And when she went to the Red Sea, the Red Sea parted.  Moses raised up his rod over the Red Sea, she parted and on the 3rd, that’s on the beginning of the 3rd day. 

     Now look, pick this one up.  11th chapter of Revelation verse 1.  Look, look up at me now folks.  Moses, said to him, `what’s that you got in your hand.’  `A rod.’  He raised up the rod over the Red Sea.  Are you listening?  Are you listening?  This creation up here that God has created in the realm of eternity – that is the sanctuary  I’m talking about heaven and earth all put together – that is it.  Now when Moses raised that rod up here, the waters parted.  Here in eternity the earth, the earthly sanctuary, He raises it, in space, heaven.  Now John is looking at it.  He said, now it was given unto me a reed likened unto a rod, said, `rod measured the temple.’  The temple, you see, I’m telling you about the creation of creation, that’s the temple.  You heard me, you’re not blind.  But the court which is without, leave out for it is given unto the Gentiles to tread underfoot 42 months or 1260 years.  42 months or 1260 years. 

     Now, I just do this – I just look from Alpha to Omega from beginning to end and I can see the whole thing and that’s what I’m trying to teach you.  Now if you see the ministry of Messiah – 3 1/2 years.  Put the prophetic time, 1 day is for a year, 3 1/2 years that He was in the ministry is 1260 years.  Leave this out, given a rod to measure the temple.  And you talking about the cleansing of the sanctuary unto 2300 days and then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.  Is that what you’re doing.  Now I’m showing you here the same thing, where he went three days journey to the Red Sea, lifted up his rod over the Red Sea and there was stygian black darkness down there and the Egyptians they were dead in the earthly sanctuary, left out given unto the gentiles to tread under foot 42 months or 3 1/2 years.  Do you see that Roger?  John on the Isle of Patmos is seeing the same thing, said given unto, 11th chapter verse 1.  It was given unto me a reed, like unto a rod and rise, measure it.  Got something to go by, when you talk to me you put the measuring rod on it.  Don’t you  come up and tell me what bishop so and so and Reverend so and so said.  That don’t make no difference to me cause what I’m going to do, I’m going to dab the measuring rod on it.  And all them that is without they don’t know, for without are whoremongers and liars treading the sanctuary and the host underfoot.  Yeah, you have a diploma as big as that chart over there if you want to.  Now do you see that?  Do you see how I put Revelation in there.  Somebody say, ‘I don’t know where he’s talking about.’  I had 11:1, wasn’t it?  Read the 8th verse. 

Dr. Harris: And their dead bodies

Dr. Kinley: And their dead bodies

Dr. Harris: shall lie in the streets of the great city.

Dr. Kinley: shall lie in the streets of the great city

Dr. Harris: which spiritually is

Dr. Kinley: Now, what?  Hold everything.  The man is in the spirit and looks back and sees it’s in the spirit.  He was in the spirit and the spirit was in him.  And when you come up…


     He was in the spirit and the spirit was in him.  And when you come up talking a whole bunch of jive to me – people got so now a days they want dib dib dib dib dib da da da – that’s supposed to be speaking in tongues.  I’m supposed to understand that they got the Holy Ghost by that.  He don’t know what he said or they don’t know what they said.  I don’t either.  Now what good is it to me, anybody.  You can take a hen out there, she can cackle. 

     Now I want you to see cause when I tie this down now, when I tie this down, that’s what I’m doing now.  I’m tying down these 2300 days and I’m tying down these millenniums.  Now, that’s what I’m doing.  And I’m gonna cleanse the sanctuary.  Now, I’m gonna show you that this is a lie, it’s not so.  And I’m showing you it don’t begin here and it don’t go through here and end up at 1844 as they have it pictured in there.  See Brother Williams.  That’s how they make all of these errors.  Now this wasn’t 1844.  Did you get lost that trip?  Now watch now.  Watch, keep your eyes open cause I told you if you go to sleep you’ll loose sight on the word.  Now if this worked this way here and they went through the Red Sea on the 3rd day.  You got that now?  Watch, keep your eyes open.  One day that’s as a thousand, 2 days that’s 2000, and on the 3rd day, while that cloud was light towards the wilderness, not dark, toward that back to Egypt and on the 3rd day.  That’s 1000, 2000 and on the 3rd day (that’s the 300th part of that day).  Now that’s no good unless it’ll work up here, or it ain’t no good.  Now then, here on the 3rd day God moved the waters off of the face of the earth, cosmic light, in other words the sun hadn’t shown up – sun wasn’t out here until the 4th day. So then now here on the 3rd day, 3rd day in the creation right here, while the sun or the cloud hung over the mountain on the 3rd day God moved the waters there, moved the waters here.  Let the dry land appear here on the 3rd day.  That’s 1 day, 2 day, 3 days; 1 day, 2 day, 3 day.  Now look, what you’re in now is the creation.  And I’m showing you in the realm of eternity how it’s working in there and listen there is no man on earth now, up here, there isn’t any man on earth at all.  Never changes.  And that’s what I have showed you by that chart there, proving the divine authenticity, the accuracy and infallibility of the Bible. 

     Now then, let me go back here and get this 3rd day, 3rd day – now here comes this seed of vegetation.  First (listen, listen) the 3rd day is a double operation, the 6th day a double operation.  The 3rd day.  What’s the first one, the waters moved off – the dry land appeared.  Next the seed is buried in the bosom and womb of mother earth, she penetrates the soil, she goes on up into fruition.  Are you listening doc?  Now Abraham’s seed, which is the children of Israel, they are Abraham’s seed, they come up out of Egypt.  God had brought them down there, Abraham’s seed, just like the seed of vegetation here, here’s the seed of Abraham there on the 3rd day.  Watch Rip.  Now then, Moses raised up his hand, the sea parted.  Now, what I’m repeating this over again for, I want you to see, I want you to see how it’s put together and I’m talking about all through everything, even in you, I don’t care which way you go after it, molecule – I don’t care what you do, that is what makes up the history of the world.  Now you heard me you’re not blind.  Now Moses raised up his hand, waters parted.  Here he is, same man, seeing it repeat itself here on the third day:  dry land appearing here – seed of Abraham, dry land there – seed of vegetation.  That’s 2300. 

     Now, look, I had you to read Revelation 11:8.  Now you remember you’re in the same chapter, I had you to read the 11th chapter and the 1st verse and then you drop down to the 8th, to show you that it was the same thing Sodom and Egypt.  And the man is in the spirit just like Daniel too.  Now Daniel and Revelation, those books tie together.  Both of ’em are visions.  Daniel is telling you about a vision.  John on the Isle of Patmos is telling you about a vision.  Moses is here in the mountain, he’s seeing visions and he’s putting it down.  Now what you got in Genesis on to Revelations it’s got to work that same way.  I don’t care who done what, it’s still just working in harmony with that purpose.  You get that now?  It just don’t make no difference who ____ ____, but you see this is what the people think, they think that something just like this 2300 days here. 

     Now in this book this man showed all, that, that, that, he showed all the rest of them wrong but him.  Now he says the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 was fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanes offered up swine out there on the alter.  And then the wall…  And then after they captured the sanctuary there, then they offered up sacrifices and cleansing and that was, from that time was 2300 days.  Of course now he says the 2300 days is wrong.  He says it ought to be 22, then he drops it down to 1100.  I told you I can pick up anybody’s interpolation.  If you make a mistake, if a translator makes a mistake I got him.  Now that’s 164 years and you have to read it in the Maccabees.  Maccabees is a book that is not canonized in the, in your Bible King James.  It’s over here in this, the Roman Catholics and in that Bible that she’s got there.  And it reads there and tells you that the sanctuary was cleansed. It was, but now here is where they missed the boat.  Even before that happened, we got to it, if you noticed, we got to it before that happened.  Now when it happened there, that was nothing else – that’s working in harmony with the purpose.  Now look he said the sanctuary was cleansed in fulfillment of those days. 

     Now I tried to show you these days back here, I tried to show you these days in the creation up here, 2300 days.  You see how I’m looking?  Then the sanctuary was cleansed.  Now look, look right up here.  Now the sanctuary or the tabernacle or the temple, those are sanctuaries.  He is the sanctuary because this is Him transformed – that’s what the sanctuary is.  He is the sanctuary, Wallace.  Here comes one of them hard ones that just knock out that back door down there.  He is the sanctuary Himself and He being the sanctuary Himself…  The blood of bulls and goats and heifers and turtle doves and ashes of heifers sprinkled for the cleansing or purifying of the flesh, if it did that – how much more shall the blood…  Now look even after that, Bishop, and if what he said was so, and if he knew what he said was so, and if he knew what he was talking about, there wouldn’t have been no sense whatsoever in the Messiah coming cause the sanctuary’s been already cleansed.  What are you coming here for – wasting time.  Can you see that?  Now the purpose of God is to gather all that there is in earth and all that is in the heavens in Him – He is the sanctuary, sanctoriums of sanctorium.  Are you listening now?  Listen now.  Every year, every year on the Day of Atonement, every year from the time they did that law out there in the wilderness that sanctuary had to be cleansed every year.  Now you see him talking there, he don’t see that.  He don’t see it.  Now you see the 2300 days there or 22, the 22.  Do you see the days?  Do you see them there?  Well now look, look. Now here’s something else you should see in here.  Now folks, you have to look and I’ve asked the ushers to get me out of here on time tonight.  And I told you before, I told you last week I wasn’t going to be able to finish it.  Now look, them 2300 days, 23, I told you that He was the sanctuary,  I told you that He was the tabernacle.  This tabernacle here is a figure of His earthly body.  This tabernacle here overlaid, the temple up there was a figure of his Incorporeal body – that is the sanctuary.  The universe in it’s totality is embodied in Him, angels and everything.  So He is the sanctuary of sanctuaries and these are just figures of it. 

     Now look I told you these things, awful deep things.  I told you that God made this man in His own likeness and in His own image.  Now He wasn’t surprised when He sinned out there in the Garden because He was the sacrifice that was offered before the man committed the sin, took advantage of that one and He was responsible for his restoration.  And all the necessary provisions had been made because His purpose was to gather all that there was in heaven and all that there is in earth in one at the present.  Where you with your little carnal mind looking at that little tent setting out there, little cabin up on the hill out there – you don’t, you don’t get it.  That’s what these boys, these preachers are doing with their carnal minds.  They don’t understand these heavenly things, these visions, these heavenly things, they’re just going to reflect.  Solomon when he dedicated the temple, out there in his royal robes, and he said then that he knew (listen at me) he knew that the heaven of heavens can not contain Him.  Now you talking about the temple here that Solomon built, Nebuchadnezzar coming up and tearing it down to the ground.  Then after that, the next temple was built by Zerubbabel – is the one that he’s talking about here.  Then that Antiochus offered up swine on it and defiled it.  That’s not, that’s not, that’s not Solomon’s Temple here and neither is the Herodian temple.  Watch the 2300 there buster.  Now you got this one and you got this one.  See the 2300.  Now look, 23 this way, 23 down to the 3rd day.  Get it?  Now you see that?  Now you are able to repeat that I said 23 from Egypt to the Red Sea through there and you’re able to see the 3rd day here which is the 23 and very early in the morning on the third day divided the waters.  Now any ____ person can see that.  But you’re only half way.  So 23 and 23 (chalk that) – now that used to be 46, used to be 4….  Twice 23 when I went to school mathematically speaking was 46.  John 2:19, 20

Reader: Jesus answered and said unto them

Dr. Kinley: Jesus answered and said unto them

Reader: destroy this temple

Dr. Kinley: destroy this temple

Reader: and in 3 days I will raise it up

Dr. Kinley: and in three days I will raise it up

Reader: then said the Jews

Dr. Kinley: then said the Jews

Reader: 40 and 6 years

Dr. Kinley: 40 and 6 years

Reader: was this temple in the building

Dr. Kinley: was this temple in the building

Reader: and wilt thou rear it up in 3 days? 

Dr. Kinley: and wilt thou rear it up in three days?  Look up now folks, 3 days from the third day here reached in the bowels and moved mother earth and brought that man out of there – that’s the 6th day.  I told you that the earth and heavens and all – that’s the sanctuary.  I told you that His body was the temple.  I told you that before He made the man He was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  He’s got to be responsible for his return to the father after the transgression.  Now what I’m doing Brother Williams is this:  I’m showing it to you in the 3 days here and in the other 3 days He took the man from the heart of the earth.  Then here comes the man, Messiah, He’s in the heart of the earth and on the 3rd day just like 3 days from this day here comes Adam out of the bowels or womb of mother earth and then 3 days He was crucified on Friday, buried in Joseph’s new tomb, and on the 3rd day He is resurrected from the dead – come out of the heart of the earth just like He took that man out of the earth on the third day.  So 23 and 23 is 46.  Now they’re building a figure.  I’m telling you these people don’t know what, they didn’t even know what they was doing – they laid that foundation for that temple and was 16 years before He was born and He went in his ministry in AD 30, He was 30 years old.  30 and, when He was 30 years old when He went into His ministry when He’s 30.  Rip, I didn’t say 19, I didn’t say 26.  You heard me, I said 30 years old.  So it’s got to be 46 when he went in there.  Are you watching?  Now, when He goes and He’s baptized by John, that’s a figure of Him going in Joseph’s new tomb.  And when He came out after He was baptized, right straight on in the wilderness.  See Doc, I’m watching everything.  I see everything you can think of, everything you can imagine – I see it.  Now then he stayed there 40 years, Israel stayed here 40 years.  And after he stayed there 40 years, here comes Joshua in, said – told Israel get straightened out here, 3 days we’re going to cross this Jordan.  Yes indeed.  I don’t make mistakes.  Somebody said, `Well you old boastful fool.’  Look, I’m looking at something and I’m telling you.  There is no sense in you making no mistakes.  46 years our fathers was in this building – foundation.  Now the temple that he’s talking about, sanctuary to be cleansed.  Now he’s walking around done think he’s done told somebody something.  He’s supposed to be smart and the sanctuary he’s talking about, he hasn’t even showed up yet – the Messiah hadn’t even been born in the world yet.  Now listen, He come to take the responsibility, He’s made to be sin or He’s made to be the sacrificial offering for the restoration and the redemption of man.  And there He hangs out there on…  Paul looks at Him, said He’s made to be sin for us that we might be the righteousness of God in Him.  God raised Him from the dead and loosed the pains of death because He wasn’t beholden of it, and His body is the sanctuary, the spirit that was in that body.  It’s by His blood, the whole earth and everything was corrupt and defiled, you, me, everybody.  And it couldn’t be cleansed by the blood of bulls and goats.  Now you’re talking about it being cleansed before He’s born.  Don’t you see you’re wrong.  You can’t be right.  Yes, literally and figuratively it was cleansed, but next year had to offer up a sacrifice again, year after year.  Now He died to make an end of sin.  There ain’t going to be no defiling it no more.  No indeed.  Do you see that far? 

     Now the Seventh Day Adventist and a lot of your theologians figured the 2300 days from here down.  Then they’re talking about a millennium way down yonder in West Hades somewhere and they don’t see none of these millenniums, these thousands here.  Now BC 457, now this is when the commandment went forth unto Artaxerxes.  Now then they’re figuring (now look up here at me cause if you don’t you won’t see nothing), now they’re figuring the 2300 days that’s with the Lord like the 20, like the 490 years that’s with the man.  It’s got to be wrong.  One day with the Lord, I said the Lord, Brother Williams, can’t you hear?  And you’re talking about the man here.  Now Jehovah’s, Seventh Day Adventists say that they expected him to come, come back, jump out the sky 1844.  And when that didn’t happen that showed them up.  They got to move now.  They done prove their ownselves a liar.  And they’re just like the Jews.  The Jews, they crucified Him because He said He was the Son of God, then they said make the sepulcher sure because that deceiver said that He’d raise from the dead on the 3rd day.  And on the 3rd day when He raised from the dead then the soldiers don’t tell nobody that He raised from the dead because if you do then our last error will be worse than the first.  So they tell that error till the last was worse than the first.  `What do you mean last error?  Explain yourself.’  They said that He was just going into the, just going in to the Most Holy Place in 1844.  They was expecting Him to come out of the Holy Place and come down.  They said, `Well the error was He was just going into the Most Holy Place.’  And here Paul and them telling you, all the apostles are telling you that He ascended (listen man,) that He entered on through the veil and set down.


And they declared that He is set down on the throne at the right hand of God and here these people talking about He just went in there in 1844.  Got to cover that lie some kinda of way.  And here these are the people here, they’re saying the same thing.  Almost all the books that you can gather up they’re saying, making just as bad and broad of mistakes and I’m showing you how to prove it. 

    Now I, I’m no where’s near done with this, no where’s near done with it, but I want you to catch this.  Now here’s what I want you to catch, I want you to catch these millenniums that you’re talking about – is going on all the time.  You start way down here in the end millennium. 

     Now then they say He’ll come back to earth and set up His kingdom (carnal minds, they don’t know what they’re talking about) set up His kingdom on earth.  And the dead will be raised and He’ll set up on a stool around here and reign with them a thousand years, for fire come down, the righteous.  And people running around with the hankies, `I don’t know when He’s coming, my mother I know…’  You don’t know what you, it’s all about.  Then you won’t let nobody tell you nothing. 

     Now look Rip this is what I did.  I told you where the universe in it’s totality was a, was a  sanctuary.  I showed you where the Messiah was a sanctuary.  I showed you where this tabernacle is a sanctuary.  I showed you where this temple is a sanctuary.  And we’ll just throw this ark in down here, that’s one too.  And you are a sanctuary.  I never miss ____.  It just don’t make no difference. 

     Now BC 457, let me wind this up, BC 457 down here comes down to AD 30….  Every Bible you got in this place, I don’t care what kind it is, I just don’t care where it come from, open it and look at it and see. That’s one way of telling something about it, ain’t it?  You got ’em, you got all kinds here.  And this is what they done Roger.  They said that BC, they said that, some say He went into His ministry at 26.  Some at 27.  Ain’t that what that book said.  Ain’t that what your King James Version said.  Ain’t that what your Catholic Bible says.  Don’t start no arguments with me.  He couldn’t do that.  That’s got to be wrong cause the law itself said He couldn’t do it until He’s 30 years old.  In Luke says that, is that right?  I’m talking about the chronology in your Bible, not what’s written in the, in the Bible itself.  Luke said that in, in the 2nd chapter of, of Luke (I believe it is), said, and it came to pass when He was about 30 years old that He went to John – 30 years old.  Now if He’s going to fulfill the Law, He can’t go in there at 26.  You can be a low priest at 25, not a high one.  He’s the apostle and high Priest of our profession.  So says Hebrews of Paul.  Have you, have you got it there Freddie?

Fred Allen Jr: In this Bible it says 26, AD 26.

Dr. Kinley: Where is the verse where Luke says it?  What verse is it?  Whoever’s got it, read it.

Audience: Luke 3:23. 

Dr. Kinley: Huh

Audience: Luke 3:23

Dr. Kinley: Luke

Reader: Now Yahshua Himself began to be about 30 years of age 

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.  Now watch, now I want you to see what I’m after so you don’t sleep.  I said the temple for the Herod.., the foundation for the Herodian temple was laid 16 years before He was born.  Now you tell me how you explain that.  You explain that to me and you can have the floor – if you can tell me how you can cleanse the sanctuary before the sanctuary is even born.  And even, Bishop, after He was here walking around on the earth, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law until all is fulfilled, so all them days that He was walking around here from birth on until He hung up out there on the cross, every year the sanctuary’s defiled, every year till He died, until He hung out there.  Now that’s what got it. 

     That little carnal mind you got there don’t mean nothing to me.  You can’t do no arguing with me.  And if you jump up, all you’ll get out of yourself and I don’t care where you come from, even if you’re dropped down from heaven that’s what you’re gonna get down here.  Can I get smart?  You’re talking to the Creator embodied in here.  You’re trying to tell me I don’t know what I done?  And I don’t know how it works?  Now let me explain that.  I told you there wasn’t nobody that who could tell anything about the thing but God himself.  Now it must be, now here’s what I mean by what I just said.  I mean that you are God yourself incarnate in a physical body when you come to yourself and realize who you are.  I don’t have no advantage over you, whatever I said I was, that’s you.  Now the only difference is I’m conscious of it and the other difference of it – you’re not.  Now that’s what the difference is.  Somebody say, `Why listen here man.’  Said, `you be careful.  You running your big mouth.  Where you find that in the Bible.’  Well get John 10:35 – it said in the law ye are gods.  Then in the Law it said `I said’ too, said in the law – that just took them people.  Now He was the one that’s incarnated that spoke of it in the law.  They didn’t realize that.  So he said, said not I in the Law (it went right over their heads) that you are gods.  Then how can you say that I’m blaspheming because I said I was the Son of God.  You’re the big shot.  Now that’s when a man comes to himself. 

     Now 46 and 46, I mean 23 and 23 is 46.  16 years before He was born, that’s the last temple and He went in His ministry.  Get that?  So now you’ve got 46 years.  Now then He was 3 years in His ministry.  That makes it 49.  Now if you multiply that

Audience: 49

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.  You got 49.  That’s right.  Now that’s 49 years is one week.  434 – that’s 62 weeks then He confirmed the covenant with many for one week, which is 7 years.  So then it split here, it split here and brought down in here on each side of the cross.  Well now this is the thing they can’t do – the 4 years error and that makes the 7 and it brings it on down to here.  Now you see here Freddy, when you put this 7 and this 432, that’s 483 years.  483.  Now Traina the Jew says this, he said the Messiah was cut off at the 483rd year.  He just 7 years short. 

     Now watch me.  Now watch me now.  Now, now, it’s got to work.  You, you’ll run the 490 year period here.  Well I’m just running ’em all along.  I’m running ’em here from back here in the creation.  You get right down there.  I’m running ’em all the way.  I’m running them up in there with Abraham.  I’m building tabernacles and everything else.  And you walking around talking about ____ and what you’re reading in your book ain’t nothing but a repetition of history.  That’s just the purpose of God unveiling itself.  Now, I got put you before even down ____ ____.  You hear me say I had a vision and a revelation.  I’m the revealer of secrets.  It’s time to go home now.  Yes it is.  Yes it is, it’s time to go home.  When you realize who you are, ____ what you’re a part of, when you come to yourself there is no excuse whatsoever for your stupidity.  There’s no excuse for it at all.  And look, we told you this:  this ain’t nothing else but just a repetition.  Just repeating itself.  That’s all the way through.   That’s all that’s motivating Him.  ____ all the way through.  Now look I can’t make no mistakes.  Abraham and Isaac, I got to get the temple there, I got to go on back and get the 490 years with the tower of Babel. 

     I got to, I just got to keep on, just keep on preaching.  You think you got to someplace and…, going knock your brains out, go ahead on and drag you right on back and show it to you – make you admit it.  Now this man (let me say this and then I’m finished), this man Adam, you see it on the chart here ____ ____.  Adam and Eve where he ____ ____ ____.  Now that woman was in that man, over here on this side over here – that woman was in that man.  Get the place where he’s taken out of the ground, taken out of the ground.  Now that’s that double operating on that day – that woman was in that man.  Look, causes a deep sleep to fall on him and that man, He took that woman out of him and then He presented the woman to him.  Right?

Audience: Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now here is the Messiah, He’s the man, went inside there.  Here’s the Messiah, nothing else but repeating it right back over again, soldier punctured Him in the side there, then he went on to sleep and very early in the morning He raised from the dead – here comes that woman – many saints that slept in the dust of the earth rose and went into Jerusalem.  Here the woman, here come that woman.  Get the point?  Oh boy, this is w.., that’s the first day of the week, Dr. Gross.  Now when He created Adam there on the 6th day, caused the sleep to fall just as you recorded the first day of the week – here He come, presented it to him.  Now He’s got to start.  Did you get what I just said.

Audience:  Yeah.  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley: Let’s stand. 



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