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44) * DECEMBER 3,1975: *





by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley

Los Angeles, California


audio tape received from David Rosen

1 90 minute audio cassette


Catalog #: 75.1203



originally transcribed by Sandra Giragosian, Joseph and Susan LaFergola



first proofreading:  Michael Rothstein

second proofreading:  Cathy Fenti

third proofreading:  Geraldine Rothstein

final proofreading:  the International Public Relations Committee:

approved by the International Public Relations Committee:  1997



1. … indicates that Dr. Kinley ended a word or a sentence without verbally completing it.

2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.

3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, see, you see, you see what I mean, you follow, is that right.)

4. ____ indicates an inaudible word or syllable

5. WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS are comments of the transcriber

SCRIPTURE:  1 Corinthians 15

Moderator:  … will be the founder of our school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.

Dr. Kinley:  Thank you ever so much.  I’m always happy and glad to be here to talk with you about the things that pertain to Yahweh and His eternal Purpose through the dispensations and ages.  Now I don’t always like to get up and express about my feelings and my health and what not.  I don’t like to do that.  But I don’t feel like being here, and I had taken medicine before I came.  I had a temperature, I.., before I came.  I went ahead on and took those pills and then I come on down here just the same.  Now I wanna tell you the reason why it is tonight, is because reports have been coming to me about erroneous doctrine that has been preached from this pulpit.  Now, if I say they are erroneous, they are erroneous.  I wish you would read for me the beginning of the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians.

Dr. Harris:  Moreover, Brethren

Dr. Kinley:  Now Paul had already spoken of some things before he got down to this, and so there’s some more on top of this.  He said, ‘Moreover, brethren,’ then what?

Dr. Harris:  I declare unto you the gospel

Dr. Kinley:  I declared unto you the gospel

Dr. Harris:  which I preached unto you

Dr. Kinley:  which I preached unto you

Dr. Harris:  which also

Dr. Kinley:  44 years in my case.  Alright.  Read on.

Dr. Harris:  which also ye have received,

Dr. Kinley:  And you received it.  I preached it and you received it.  The reason why you received it is because you can’t refute it.  Now I don’t care who you are, you can’t refute it.  You can’t dispute it, not with this Bible.

And then I want to say something else right here, too.  Now it’s stupid in you putting up money to send a Peace.., another Peace Mission overseas to preach an erroneous doctrine over there.  Now that’s stupid.  I wouldn’t be asking you to do nothing like that, if we couldn’t prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, the absolute infallibility of Yahweh and His eternal purpose.  I wouldn’t ask you to do that.  Now I don’t have to try to defend anything at all.  I don’t have to do that.  I preached it to you.  I lived it.  I performed the miracles that Yahweh gave to me to perform among you, and you know it.  None of it has ever failed, but it is expedient for you to realize and to recognize that the Satanic spirit will rise up among you brethren, I’m talking about, among yourselves.  It’s just expedient, you can expect that.  It’s supposed to do that.  I am not kicking about that.  I just want you to be prepared to reject it, cause I want you to be saved.  Alright, read on.

Dr. Harris:  And moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and wherein ye stand;

Dr. Kinley:  Now that’s where you stand.  Alright, read.

Dr. Harris:  By which also ye are saved,

Dr. Kinley:  Now, you’re, you’re saved by that gospel.  Alright, read on.

Dr. Harris:  if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you

Dr. Kinley:  Now that’s this, you keep in memory what I preached to you.  Now the Devil would have you to do this:  to get up on this floor, on this rostrum here, and try to show where you’re so much smarter than anybody else.  Now you’re not any smarter than any body else.  I don’t care who you are, you’re not any smarter than the.., than the other fellow.  All of us, none of us wouldn’t know anything at all about Yahweh if He hadn’t revealed His purpose to us.  So now you quit exalting yourself by getting up here trying to say something about somebody.  And another thing too is, ____ ____.  And I knew about it, getting up here personating people, saying, ‘when I put the finger on somebody, then they’re the devil, a satanic spirit.’  Now that means that you are one!  You wouldn’t have said that if you hadn’t of been.

Now here’s Paul right in this 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians, he said he was the ‘least of the apostles.’  He was the greatest of ‘em, spoke in more tongues than all of ‘em, went and preached in geographical areas further and more than any of all the twelve of ‘em, all the rest of the eleven of ‘em, made more voyages, underwent more persecutions, and trials and tribulations, and was caught up to the third heaven and saw things that was impossible for a man to utter.  And here’s a man, has.., speak all them many different tongues and yet and still, he said ‘if I speak with the tongues of angels and the tongues of men and I don’t have love or charity, it profit me nothing.’  See yourself.  Realize that you are right down to the end of this age.  This thing is not going to go on this way, folks.  That’s all there is to that.  In this thing getting it twisting up scriptures.  I heard about that, too, trying to make it mean something else, trying to preach and teach that everything’s.., that all the natural is gone, nothing else but spirit.  Now that’s not so.  Trying to preach and teach that you have immortality as of now.  That’s a lie.  That’s not so.  You can’t prove it by no Bible.  Why don’t you try to reading sometime?  Now that which is first is natural, then you take the natural…  Yahweh made the natural things as He made ‘em, so you could look at it and tell something about the spiritual things.  Now if you’re gonna do away with the natural, then you don’t have nothing to explore from at all.  Now it was said that you gotta get away from blood, water and spirit.  Well now, listen here, let me tell you something.  Now any idiot could see what I’m fixing to talk about now, just any idiot.  You don’t really need no sense.  Now I’ll show you what I mean.  Now if you have to get away from blood, water and spirit.  Yahweh is spirit.  Then you let Yahweh be everything.  Now that’s stupid to get up here and make statements like that.  Nobody don’t think no more of you for making those statements like that.  They see you’re wrong, anybody that knows anything about the truth.  You’re not deceiving nobody but yourself.  Now, I’m not mad, I’m sincere.  And what I’m saying to you, I’ve always said things to you right direct to your face.  I don’t go downstairs and say something behind your back that I don’t say to your face.  Yahweh sent me in the world to preach to you just what I have preached. I have delivered it to you.  There’s nothing you can do with it.  I don’t care who you are, and where you are come from.  And the Apostle Paul has said this, ‘Though we or angel preach any other gospel to you than that we have already preached, let him be anathema or a curse.’  Now that’s the way it is.  I don’t care how long you been here, either.  That don’t make no difference, make a bit of difference.  And I delivered it to you just as I received it.  And there has never been nobody able to refute it, successfully refute and dispute with what we have taught in this school.  And I want to tell you something else too.  You don’t know nobody, even in history, to say nothing about just walking around.  You don’t know nobody in history that has performed any greater miracles than Yahweh had did by this little black body that you see standing here on this floor.  If you think you do, stand up.  I’d like to take a look at you, and examine some of you.  I’ll go into it with you in fuller detail.  And what I.., many things I have taught from this floor, presidents and kings and queens and popes have had to stoop to it, and bow their knees.  That’s right.  There’s no way around it.  And any time I choose to, I’ll tell you what’s going to happen anywhere in the world.  And you don’t know nobody else can do that, but me. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) That’s right.  Dr. Traynham, will you permit me to say something without getting mad with you, I mean you getting mad with me? (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I say this by the way of edification.  It’s not by the way of trying to throw off on anything on anybody, because I’ve already done told you that I am not smart.  I’m as smart as you are, and I’m as dumb as you are.  Let’s give Yahweh the glory.  Don’t nobody care nothing about you.  Now this is what I want to say, and I asked his permission.  I tell you this, because I said it behind his back.  I said that he would have to come back down here and confess, him and Elfreda ____ ____, that he was wrong.  Now he’s not the only one that should have done that.  That goes for my sons, both of ‘em.  Now, part of it wasn’t his fault.  I ain’t going into that, but now he did come back and admitted to you that he was wrong.  And listen, you just have to forgive the man, whether you want to or not.  And if you feel like you don’t want to forgive him, why then you have to go to hell.  I’m giving it to you straight.  And all this foolishness we’ve got, we’ve got to stop.  Now the reason why I’m just as concerned as I am about it, is because you are right down now where you have a.., in a position now, at almost any time to receive the reward.  I stood in the floor and told you that it would not be in 1975, as the Roman Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses, and the Church of God and others have taught.  It wouldn’t be that at all.  Yahshua the Messiah will be revealed from heaven, listen, taking flaming vengeance on them that know not Yahweh.  That’s in the second chapter of 2nd Thessalonians.  Now this is what I told him, what I’m gonna tell you about.  And now I said to him, ‘now, this is to you,’ I’m talking about Dr. Wilbur Traynham.  Now since he had made the statement just like I had said, while I’ve been standing here in the pulpit, many people have been healed.  I’ve made all kinds of predictions for 44 years.  Well, he didn’t know nothing about ‘em, he just heard about ‘em.  And therefore, he said he heard about ‘em.  Is that right, Dr. Traynham?

Wilbur Traynham:  That’s correct.

Dr. Kinley:  I said, ‘well now look, to let you know, I’m gonna give you one just for you.  I haven’t said anything to anybody else about it.’  I told him what was going to happen within 24 or 48 hours, 48 hours or 24 hours that there would be an earthquake.  Where?

Wilbur Traynham:  In Istanbul, Turkey

Dr. Kinley:  Did it happen?

Wilbur Traynham:  Right on time.

Dr. Kinley:  You see that now?  Now that one was for him.  I, I could have told you about it, but I didn’t.  I have told you about many things just like that.  I told you about when Pope John the 23rd would come off of that throne over there.  I told you that Roosevelt would be nominated and elected the last time he run, and he wouldn’t be in the White House one year from the day of his inauguration.  Check your records.  I told you when the Second World War would break out and every one of the nations that would go to war at that time.  I taught it right in this school, right from the pulpit.  I told you when Cardinal Stritch died and I was standing in the pulpit.  I told you, ‘He just drew his last breath.’  Some of ‘em got up and went outdoors and turn that radio on in their cars and it said, the man just died, just drew his last breath.  Now look folks, as I said, now a man just can’t do that.  So you just don’t need be giving me no credit for it.  The reason why I’m telling you about it is, I want you to know that Yahweh does exist and it’s not hard.  There’s a reason.  And you don’t know nobody that’s told the history of the world 40.., for 44 years and told you anything.  I told you about Julius Rosenberg and his wife would get the secret of the atomic bomb.  And everybody said I was wrong.  I just told you anything I wanna tell you, then go to this board and figure out and show you how it’s done.  I told you about the earthquake in Alaska and all those kinds of things.

Now last of all along that line, I want, I want to tell you this.  Now my life.., I’m not well.  Now my life, my life is staked upon what I am doing; in other words, when I was bed fast, they come into my bedroom before they went overseas.  They had.., they didn’t have no contacts.  Did you have contacts?

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  They come in my bedroom and asked me.  Well, it looks like a, just a sightseeing tour.  ‘Will you be with us?’  ‘ I will.’  Now that was just really not me that was saying that.  That was the same one that said it before.  ‘Certainly I will be with thee.’  And that’s what it is that’s with ‘em.  Now folks, they know whether, I’ll, I’ll ask, I, I, I’m talking to those now that were on this voyage overseas.  Could you feel the presence of Yahweh

Some Peace Mission Delegates:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  with you through that voyage.  Yes, indeed.  They knew I was there.  The Holy Spirit, Yahweh.  Yes, Yahweh is in my and in you, too.  I’m not leaving you, leaving it out.  So somebody says, ‘Yahweh’s not in me, the Devil’s in me.’  Yes, Yahweh has power over the Devil.  You don’t need to worry about that.  Now, next thing I.., that’s for that.

The next thing I wanna get on is these charts.  I wanna tell you about ‘em.  There isn’t anybody in the world that makes charts for the purpose of God, the creation and the purpose of God, or the purpose of Yahweh like it really is.  That cannot be done.  Now you know what you would have to do in order to do that?  You’d have to be able to create a man.  You’d have to be able to create a sun, moon and stars; in other words, you’d have to be the creator in order to do it.  Now, sometimes

people look at these and say, ‘Oh that’s wonderful, but I think this is wrong here.  I think that’s wrong.’  Follow?  Well, the thing of it is, to tell you the truth about it, Yahweh is not on these charts.  These are just pictorial illustrations, and they’re not professional at that.  Now there isn’t anybody setting under the sound of my voice that can pick out some things and show you.  There isn’t anybody setting under the sound of my voice that don’t have sense enough to know that everybody in here has some skin on his body, all over his body.  Everybody’s got skin on their body, not skin like that.  This tabernacle here, it don’t have even have a top on it.  Now I’ve got sense enough to know that that ain’t the way it is, and you ought, you ought to too.  Now, so far as the rest of it is concerned, you can’t, you can’t point out no direction of Yahweh.  He’s everywhere.  Now, not only that, let’s look at, some of you didn’t get it.  Look at this up in here.  I’m talking about these veils in here.  They had to put these veils in the outer section down there.  They had put them veils in here to start out with.  Now, you don’t see no veils in here.  You don’t see none in there at all.  I know what this is all about.  I’m not that stupid.  I know they’re illustrations, and they’re limited too.  There’s no life in nothing on these, on, on these charts.  Now, I wanna tell you something else.  Suppose you take Isaiah 46:9 and 10.

Dr. Harris:  Remember the former things of old…

Dr. Kinley:  Now, He’s saying to Israel through the prophet Isaiah, He’s telling them to remember the former things of old.  Now, what were the former things of old?  What Moses and them had said to ‘em.  Now, listen, coming right back to it again, so we can show you.  Now look.  Now we just got through saying, ‘you got to leave blood, water and spirit,’ and we went into that and that’s wrong.  Now then in Isaiah 8:20, He said, ‘To the law..,’ that’s all back in here.  Now, if you’re gonna leave that and to the prophecy, Yah.., then Yahweh’s made an awful mistake.  Why don’t you wake up?  Then I heard about the names, saying the name wasn’t Yahweh, it was Yah.

Now I, now, now the reason why I’m bringing these things up is I want to point, I want to show you how stupid it is.  And you, any child of any age, just any idiot, you don’t even need no sense to see that.  You ought to be able to see what that is in a person.  Now the third chapter of Exodus, Yahweh said Hisself what His name was.  Now He ain’t got sense enough to say what His name is?  He ain’t got sense enough to tell you what His name is, and here you know what your name is, and all that running around.  You oughta be able to see what that is in anybody.  Now folks, I taught you the truth.  I gave it to you just like it is.  And Yahweh has performed many miracles and all kinds of prophecies have been fulfilled.  And I told you many things about ‘em.

And I told you, ‘if they didn’t come to pass like I said, ‘don’t come back to this school no more, just quit.’  And then, you’re not going anywhere else in town and get what you can get down here.  Both ways.  Now that’s right.  ____ ____.  Now I wanna make this.., I wanna make this clear enough for you with these charts and these, these illustrations.  Finish reading that verse.

Dr. Harris:  Remember the former things of old

Dr.Kinley:  Remember the former things of old

Dr. Harris:  for I am El

Dr. Kinley:  for I am El

Dr. Harris:  and there is none else

Dr.Kinley:  And there is none else, there, there just really, really is no other.  There are.., they just called God all by Himself.  There is.., yeah, they have plenty of idols, but He said He was all by.., there wasn’t any like Him.  Alright, read on.

Dr. Harris:  I am Elohim and there is none like me,

Dr. Kinley:  And there is, there, there is none like me.  Read.

Dr. Harris:  Declaring the end from the beginning

Dr. Kinley:  Now, right there.  Now right there.  There hasn’t never been no idols that anybody ever has thought up or picked up, or no angels or nothing that has had the ability to declare the end right from the beginning.  Ain’t never been nothing like that.  He said all by Hisself, the only one that do it.  Now what did you bring that up for?  Now the reason why I brought that up, He’s El and now the El, I wanna put that in here, too.  The El, that’s an abbreviation, just like Y A H is abbreviation.  Y A H is abbreviation for Yahweh.  The El is abbreviation for Elohim.  Elohim is a title, Yahweh is a name.  Now, you’ve been taught all of these things.  And you know anytime anybody gets up on this floor, I don’t care where they come from, and try to show it any other kinda way, they’re wrong.  Now if you want to know where all this, that and the other comes from, I’ve asked you to read the preface in your Holy Name Bible many times.  There’s not a Jew, not, not a Jewish rabbi on earth today that don’t know that Elohim, and Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah is right.  All the rest of ‘em is erroneous.  Now, even after knowing that, knowing the name is Yahweh, of our heavenly father, and he’s got it right in the Masoretic text on one side, I got one too at the house, got the, got the Masoretic text, in Hebrew, now on one side and English on the other.  And right under, right on his side of the page, where it says Yahweh, he’s got…

Dr. Harris:  Adonai.

Dr. Kinley:  What?

Dr. Harris:  Adonai.

Dr. Kinley:  Adonai right under it.  He will not read Yahweh, he says Adonai.  Do you see that?

Now look.  Now He said that He declared the end right from the beginning.  He said He was.., none like Him.  No there wasn’t no nothing, angels or nothing could do that:  declaring the end from the beginning.  Now what I’m talking about is the charts.  And I’m talking about this stupendous revelation that was given me, and I’ve drawn it out in, in part to reveal the purpose.

Now, when you bring that back here to the beginning, Yahweh is pure spirit, invisible, or source, and then it’s inorganic, then it’s organized into an embodiment, spirit embodiment, which Moses could see in, in, in a vision.  Now this would be the beginning of Moses’ vision of the creation.  Pay attention now to what I am saying, cause I’m trying to show you something that Yahweh showed me.  Listen up.  Now, this is the beginning of Moses’ vision of Yahweh Elohim and the creation.  That’s what this is.  Now notice each one of these plates ____ after the pattern.  You have this Outer Court here, just like this tabernacle here has it.  Here you have the Holy Place in here, just like that.  You have a Holy Place, a Most Holy Place, declaring the end from the beginning.  Pay attention, now.  Pay attention.  He, Himself, is the archetype pattern of the universe, that means this:  that everything in the universe, it doesn’t make any difference what it is.  Every animate and so-called inanimate object and thing in the universe must point to Him.  It doesn’t make any difference whether it’s the cell, the atom, just simply doesn’t make any difference.  Now then, here’s what that brings me to.  This is what it brings me to.  It brings me to showing you that each and every one of these things, one is an analogy of the other.  One corresponds and correlates with the other.  All working, the beginning to the end.  And Yahweh is the only one that could do that.  Nobody else can do it.  Everything in nature, it makes no difference what it is, it’s got to do that.  Now that’s how He proves His own existence.  He don’t need you to prove His existence.  You can’t make Him any greater than He is and you can’t make Him any smaller, belittle Him any more ____ ____ to do.  There’s nothing you can do about it.  So now, the best thing for you to do is to, is to try to come down here and try to learn something and through the teaching.  Don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t get up there and tell these people things that are not in the Bible, and things you can’t prove.  Don’t do that, because if you do, it’ll prove that you don’t know.  Now telling somebody that we have an immortal body now, it’s not so.  You have a physical body now.  And that was read right there in the 15th Chapter of 1st Corinthians.  Read it, Dr. Harris.

You have an eternal spirit, those of you that have the Holy Spirit.  You have an eternal spirit dwelling in a physical or natural or a mortal body.  You do not have an immortal body, an immortal body.

Dr. Harris:  verse 51.  Behold, I show you a mystery;

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.

Dr. Harris:  We shall not all sleep,

Dr. Kinley:  Now, behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, or do what you call die and be hauled off to the cemetery.  Alright.  Read.

Dr. Harris:  but we shall all be changed.

Dr. Kinley:  Now everybody in here shall be changed.  Everybody.  And the reason why that change is coming up.  And let’s see if we can find out when it will happen.  I think it’s the second or third chapter.  Third chapter.  We want to find out when it will happen.  Don’t loose the place.

Dr. Harris:  For our citizenship is in heaven.

Dr. Kinley:  Our citizenship is in heaven.

Dr. Harris:  From whence also we are expecting our savior King.

Dr. Kinley:  from whence also.

Dr. Harris:  our savior, King

Dr. Kinley:  our savior, King, Yahshua the Messiah

Dr. Harris:  Who shall change our vile body

Dr. Kinley:  Now, who shall change your physical or your natural, or your corruptible ____ ____, your.., who shall change, at that time.  Now can’t you see it’s stupid getting up here telling somebody you’re immortal now?  You got your ages mixed up.  That’s what’s coming up.  Now, that spirit that’s in this body, it will be clothed upon with an immortal body or an incorruptible body, when He’s revealed from heaven.  Read, Dr. Harris.

Dr. Harris:  Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,

Dr. Kinley:  like unto his glorious body,

Dr. Harris:  according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, that’s it.  Now do you see that?  Don’t teach that mess down here no more.  Now listen, since Yahweh has declared the end from the beginning, the whole thing from start to finish is all over with so far as He’s concerned, And it’s all gonna happen just like He declared, but it’s you that haven’t, that didn’t get it, that hasn’t got to it yet.  Now look.  We tried to give it to you this way, there’s seven days in a week.  One day follows the other.  There’s seven weeks in a cycle of weeks. There’s seven months in a cycle of months.  There’s seven years in a cycle of years.  There’s seven millenniums in a cycle of millenniums.  You see that now?  And each and every one of them, all of it, please pay attention, each and every one of ‘em, one is an analogy to the other.  Now maybe somebody don’t know what I mean by an analogy.  Now, get Isaiah 28:9 and 10.

Dr. Harris:  Whom shall He teach knowledge…

Dr. Kinley:  Now, just a minute, Doc.  Before you read that, I want you to go back and read what Yahshua the Messiah said about Moses.

Dr. Harris:  John 5:45:  Do not think that I will accuse you to the father

Dr. Kinley:  Do not think that He will accuse you to the father

Dr. Harris:  There is one that accuseth you,

Dr. Kinley:  There is one that accuseth you

Dr. Harris:  Even Moses whom you trust

Dr. Kinley:  And Mo.., even Moses in whom you trust

Dr. Harris:  For had you believed Moses

Dr. Kinley:  For had you believed Moses

Dr. Harris:  ye would have believed me

Dr. Kinley:  You would have believed me

Dr. Harris:  For he wrote of me

Dr. Kinley:  Now, Moses wrote of Him.  Now, before you come to school, Dr. Williams you didn’t even know that.  You haven’t known it too long as it is.  Now one person said, ‘Well, yes, He might have been back there with Moses, so far as the spirit is concerned, but not the body.’  Well, it’s, it’s, it’s His lie, not mine.  He said He was back there.  He said Moses wrote of Him.  Said Abraham, he was glad to see His day.  The thing of it is, we and our little old carnal mind all wrought up, we’re not able to see the possibility of Him being back there with them in the same body I’m talking about.  Yahweh is a mystery.  No question about that.  You can’t put nothing past Him.  Isn’t a thing He can’t do.  Now if He can change this one to an immortal body.  He ought to be able to give you., well somebody said, ‘now look here, did you ever read over here where the scripture says that I am Yahweh and I never change over here, Yahweh don’t never change.  Now He got it down here in the first chapter of John where the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we behold His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.  Hung up on it.  Say look, let me tell you this.  Whatever.., well, let’s put It.., got back ____ ____ cause this is what’s wrong.  If I can try to lay emphasis on this.

Ayah Asher Ayah, in order to make this Yah.  Now, there’s.., that’s A Y A H.  Now this is what it means in Hebrew, I will be.  Now, that’s what it means.  This does not mean that this is Yah.  That does not mean that that’s His name.  It means that He will be whatever He wills to be.  And look Freddie or Luther, He’s not changing.  He hasn’t changed at all.  He was that in the first place.  Do you understand what I mean by that?  No, He didn’t change from one thing to something else, He was already that.  ____ ____ ____ ____.  Whatever He wanted to be.  That’s what He was!  Do you all understand what I mean by that?  I mean He wouldn’t change, He was already that way.  A state of existence where He could be what He wanted to be, whatever that was.  What’s that all about.  You read in the first, 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians verse 28th, look at it.

Student Body:  All in all.

Dr. Kinley:  That Yahweh might be all in all.  So now, whenever you are up here, just don’t forget Yahweh is all in all, and we all don’t know that.  But don’t you try to leave out the natural and run way over yonder and grab up something, cause Yahweh’s all in all.  Matter has it’s source of derivative from spirit.  That’s where it came from, and that’s where it’s going to.  Did you understand me on that?

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Devil and all had its source of derivative.  How about that?  Do you all understand what I’m talking about?  Anybody in the room don’t understand what I’m talking about, hold up your hand; got any questions to ask hold up your hand.  I wanna answer ‘em for you.  That’s why I come down here sick tonight.  And I don’t mind even standing here and there, then, then preaching til I.., if Yahweh’s will pass on outta here.  It’s alright with me.  I’m ready!  I ain’t getting ready at all.  I’m already ready.  That’s right.  And my life is predicated upon that.  And I am not gonna tell you no lies, one way or the other.  And I’m not going along with no erroneous doctrine.  And I don’t care who you are, the least to the greatest.  I’m chastising our president.  And I think he should love me for it.

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, if you think I’m deceived and I shouldn’t be that way, then you let me know about that, and that’s alright with me, if that’s the way you think, but I’m still gonna tell you.  That’s what my job is, that’s what I’m gonna do, as long as Yahweh lets breath stay in this body, and I’m able to get up here and have something to say.  Alright.  Read the verse about Yahweh being all in all.

Dr. Harris:  And when all things shall be subdued unto him,

Dr. Kinley:  Now Yahweh put all things under Him, and when all things shall be subject to, or subdued, or He has overcome everything, to the extent that ____ knowledge, that it is subdued.  You understand what I mean by that?  I’m using a word there.  Alright.  Then what?

Dr. Harris:  Then shall the son, also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him

Dr. Kinley:  Then shall the Son, Yahshua be subject unto Yahweh Elohim, who put all things under Him.  What’s that all about?

Dr. Harris:  that Yahweh may be all in all.

Dr. Kinley:  That Yahweh, now you see what, see what we have got there?  That Yahweh may be all in all.  That, that now, that derivative that’s all that, that there is.  But put it down straight.  Put it down with an analogy.  I brought this out so that you could see that He will be whatever He wills to be.  I wouldn’t think very much of it if He didn’t have sense enough to tell you what His name was.  Would you?  I would think that you would be able to tell somebody what your name was, if you wasn’t mentally deranged.  Now I’m just pointing out this ignorance that these people have tried to get up here, and you should know better.  No, I don’t like it.  This is, that’s my job, is, is, is just keeping this thing straight.  And as long as there’s breath in this body, that’s what I will do.  And I will jump on anybody from anywhere.  Now I try to be a diplomat about it.  I hear a lot of mistakes that are made from one time to the other, but I don’t say anything right away to you, unless you force me to.  I have been forced to do that.  Probabilities are some of you have remembered it, some of it.


A man come in here one time and he said that God had sent him to, to set up the kingdom of God on earth.  Now, he forced my hand there.  I said it wasn’t so.  He said I was a liar, but it still ain’t so.  ____ set up a kingdom of God.  I’ve gotta know something about it.  Now he has made himself housing.  This is the house this man live in, that’s a housing.  You don’t need no minister, no housing there do you?  You already got one.  This is spiritual food and why would you wanna go to washing yourselves out there ____ somewhere.  ____ ____ ____ ____ learn something about it.  All this old erroneous dogma.  But these things have got to be, they have got to come to pass.  There’s no question about it.  Now let me go back.  I asked for Isaiah 28:9 and 10.

Dr. Harris:  Whom shall he teach knowledge?

Dr. Kinley:  Now, listen, this is a question asking, He says ‘Whom shall he teach knowledge?’  He ain’t gonna teach nobody no knowledge that calls him a liar and says He don’t know what His name is.  Somebody says, ‘Well, if, I’m hot about.., I don’t like the thought of you jumping on me.’  But I tell you one thing, the dividends will be great, if you would accept the chastisement now, rather than to wait til later, cause later, you’ll have to like it and abide by the consequences.  Whom shall He teach knowledge, and whom…

Dr. Harris:  and whom shall he make to understand doctrine

Dr. Kinley:  Now, whom shall He make to understand doctrine.  Now Yahshua the Messiah said, ‘My doctrine is not my own.’  Now I want, I want you, I want you to follow what I’m talking about, cause I don’t think that a lot of you know exactly what I’m talking about, cause I haven’t explained myself sufficient for you to understand what I’m talking about.  I’ll, I’ll tell you what I mean.  Yahweh said this:  I didn’t say this.  ‘To the law and to the prophets.’  That’s what He said.  Now He revealed to Moses the things that Moses wrote in the first five books of your Bible, Now, He revealed to the prophets what they wrote in conjunction and relation to everything that Moses wrote.  In other words, listen now, it takes one, the law to confirm the prophets, both of them coming from Yahweh, one confirms the other, just like each one of these plates.  Who shall He teach knowledge, and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?  They that are drawn from the breast and weaned from the milk.  Why is that?  Because each and every one of these plates, one has got to be an analogy of the other.  All of them are directed by the pattern, and He is the archetype pattern.  The natural, the incorporeal, the invisible, all of it is that way.  And when you read about the natural, that’s what Paul said there in the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians; maybe you’d better read it again doc about the natural being first.

Dr. Harris:  Howbeit, that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural and afterward that which is spiritual.

Dr. Kinley:  Now I could turn that just to the opposite.  I wouldn’t be wrong either, because it’s spiritual or angelic or being the spirit Himself was first, that’s the reason why I said the first Adam and the last Adam, the first shall be last and the last shall be first.  But what He’s talking about is that which you have to use, the natural things, or the physical things, that Yahweh used to give to you to understand that what’s first.  That was first; that was before you.  Now, alright there go back to Isaiah.

Dr. Harris:  For precept must be upon precept.

Dr. Kinley:  Now look here.  Precept must be upon precept, because what you’re doing, it don’t make no difference now where you go, even from the beginning of the creation.  Now that’s what we have taught you.  And anytime anybody else gets up here on this floor and teaches you anything else, he’s a liar.  And it’s wrong, You can’t start in the spirit and teach somebody something about something they can’t see and know nothing about.  You have to take the natural things and then bring it from there.  Somebody says, ‘Well, what does God look like?’  He made the man in His own likeness and image, so that he could look at him and see how He is, but He made him a natural to reflect the spiritual, so that you wouldn’t have no excuse.  Now all these things Yahweh has revealed ‘em to me.  And I’ve tried hard to show you.  I’ve been persecuted about it.  I’ve been beat up, I mean bodily, bodily beat up to try to make me take it back.  You can’t do that.  You can kill me, I, I, I ain’t taking it back.  Now you can begin to understand what I’m talking about?  Now, we know that from the Day of Pentecost on down, they had that,they had the Holy Spirit.  I would have you to know this, that Moses had the Holy Spirit back here.  There wasn’t anything new about a man having the Holy Spirit back there with Moses, before Moses.  Enoch, the seventh from Adam had the Holy Spirit.  Now how about that?  And all the prophets, they prophesied with the Holy Spirit, but collectively, mankind didn’t have it until the Day of Pentecost.  And then, on top of all of that, the Holy Spirit didn’t come and abide with you, or stay with you.  Whenever he performed what the Holy Spirit had, had for him to perform, that’s the reason why you talk about, hear them talk about the major and the minor prophets, little or much.  Whenever he got to the end of whatever Yahweh had for him to do, there’s where He stopped at, the Holy Spirit departed and he was like any other man.  But, now, since Pentecost, He comes and abides with you forever, even in the ages yet to come.  That’s what He said.  Now, if you don’t think He said it, I’ll read it.  That’s the 28th chapter of Matthew and the 19th and 20th verses.  It’s there ____ ____ ____ sit yourself right down here.  And then we’re ____ ____.  That’s why we come here.  That’s why I go back, pick it up and see Him back there.  He’s fulfilling here ____ ____, all through, all through.  But you can’t deny the flesh.  You just can’t do it.  We don’t walk after the flesh.  Now you’ve heard me preach enough about that.  We’re not walking after the flesh again.  We’re not walking according to flesh.  We walk after the spirit.  We don’t do the things that was under the Old Covenant, in that physical way of doing things.  We don’t do them that way.  Just like you take communion or the, the Lord’s Supper naturally so, pass it around on the plate; we don’t do it that way.  That’s not the way it’s supposed to be done.  But you are the partakers of the Holy Spirit.  Now what I’m doing, I’m ministering unto you spirit and you are partakers of it right where you’re setting, setting on your seat.  Just like you were partaker of this ____ that was passed around.  You were a partaker of it.  And you put it in your mouth and ate it that way.  But now it’s not passed around like that in the flesh.  If the Holy Spirit is in the speaker and he speaks by the Holy Spirit, and you are partakers of that same spirit, that, that, that pointed to the spirit in the first place.  There’s nothing in your Bible about no Gentile eating no Lord’s suppers.  There’s nothing in there about no baptisms, no water baptisms, it’s not in the Bible.  Now, anybody thinks it is, why look it up.  Yahweh never said nothing to no Gentiles about being baptized in physical water in the history of the world.  He never said anything about them eating no Lord’s suppers, as the Jews did under the Old Covenant.  The fact of the matter is, the Jews themselves are not under the Old Covenant now.  He’s under the New Covenant.  He’s a partaker of the Holy Spirit.  Now what I’m really talking about folks is this: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____  in this mystery, in the natural, ____ ____ and then you have the Holy Spirit.

But now who’s He gonna teach knowledge?  Them that are weaned from this.  That doesn’t mean that the natural heavens and earth don’t exist.  It does.  And you as a natural, physical man, you, that you are a partaker of the spirit in this present dispensation and age.  Right?  Now I showed you also that what’s coming up next will be this, the change of your mortal or your physical body.  You have an eternal spirit abiding in a mortal body.  And anybody tell you anything else is a liar.  That’s what it is.  ____ dispensation .  It’s got to ____ you  ____ ____.  And Yahweh declared the end from the beginning and ____ ____ .  Dr. Harris Isaiah 28:19, 20.  This is the only way that you know, this is the way Yahweh set the thing up.  Read.

Dr. Harris:  For precept must be upon precept.

Dr. Kinley:  Now look here.  See this line here, precept must be upon precept.  Precept must be and it must be that all the way through, from every animate and inanimate object and thing in the universe, it doesn’t make any difference what it is.  That’s the way it’s got to be.  Precept upon precept.  Now you get up and twist up something, try to make it fit.  They tell me there’s been some twisting going on down here too.  You don’t have to twist up nothing.  What, what, what we, what we’re doing is untwisting that which is twisted.  No, you, you stay right down here where, where you belong at.  Yahweh didn’t do away with the physical.  Precept must be upon precept, line upon line.  Read on.

Dr. Harris:  Line upon line.  Line upon line.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.

Dr. Harris:  Here a little

Dr. Kinley:  Here a little.  Moses in the law

Dr. Harris:  and there a little.

Dr. Kinley:  Over to the prophets and then on over to the fulfillment.  To the institution and the fulfillment.  And it’s got to fit.  Now here’s what I mean by fit:  as an analogy.  You got to bring it up and blood here and water there, this is the pattern that dictates this.  Now then, you’ve got to do that all the way, clear on back, clear on back into pure spirit, and then come out of there and down in the natural, now listen, and then on back into pure spirit again.  That’s the way you got to do it.  Now, you haven’t arrived in totality back into pure spirit.  You have not arrived.  Does anybody in the building don’t understand what I’m talking about?  Now look folks, I’m gonna tell you one more time.  Each and every thing, look up here, that he drew ____ is like a ____.  Now you can’t get up off of this blood all the way down.  You can’t get up off of it clear on through here.  You can’t get up off of this water, clear on through.  Now let me show you what I mean.  The life of the flesh is in the blood.  Is that almost right doc?  What He gave in that He shed His blood, He gave His life.  That’s the blood, that’s the, the, that, that, what’s in the blood.  The life of the flesh is in the blood.  Living water.  Don’t you see you can’t get up off that?  It’s got to go all the way through, clear on all the way through and on back into, into Yahweh Elohim.  Now that’s Him declaring the end from the beginning.  You can’t do none of these out of context.  It has to happen.  There’s no way out of it.  Now, that’s the reason why Roman Catholicism and Protestantism can’t preach the gospel.

And while I’m on it, I’ve heard that it was said down here that we haven’t preached the gospel down here.  Some old folks said it too.  Well that ain’t what they said before then.  They said before then, it was, it was the place where the gospel was preached.  Then when they got up and said that it wasn’t.., the gospel wasn’t being preached down here, he made his ownself out a liar.  My job is chastising and I’ll do it.  Yes I will.  I don’t care who you are either. it don’t make any difference.  I’m indebted to you.  I owe you that and I’m gonna pay my bill.  That’s all there is to it.  And if I didn’t do that, it would indicate or show that I didn’t love you and I’m just like all the rest of the hypocrites and liars, if I didn’t do it.  No. If it wasn’t true that Yahweh revealed these things to me way back there, if it was false, I’d of looked all of you straight in the face a long time ago and told every last one of you go to the lake, or go to hell or I wouldn’t ____ ____ ____.  No, indeed.  I think that it’s your indispensable duty to try to ____ the gospel, because you have been taught the doctrine.  There’s no question about that and I defy you to say that I’ve been lying to you.  If I say something in disputation of what you are saying, I’m not gonna take it back.  You can see me any time after this, any time after I go out that door.  As long as breath is in my body, I ain’t taking it back.  How about that?  Now, you can come and see me about this if you want to, but I ain’t gonna take it back, and you are a liar if you try to fix anything about it too.

____ ____ ____ I don’t care a thing about your credentials.  That’s the way it is.  Now the reason I’m talking up here, Yahweh gave me a message to give to you and I’m gonna do it at any cost.  I have said this.  If my mother had been setting in the audience, I could not.  Look here, if my mother were setting out in the audience I would have enough respect for her to tell her to get up and get out of there because I’m fixing to preach the truth.  If I knew the truth would kill her, I would at least have enough respect for her to say, ‘you better get out of here cause I’m aiming to preach the truth.’  She disbelieves me and want to sit there and then she’d burn up.

Yahweh is real with me, folks.  I’m not trying to make no mark in life.  Nothing like that.  I expect to be persecuted for what I say and if I wasn’t persecuted for what I say, then there’s something wrong with me, because the things that I say I say spiritually so, but I always use that natural to back me up.  That’s the way Yahweh did it.  Now, it’s about time for this service to close.  Now does anybody got any questions to ask?  I’d like to, or if you wanna dispute something, I’ll take it, or if you wanna confess something, or say something other whatever, whatever it is, it is a privilege to do so.

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