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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley

Los Angeles, California

audio recording received from Lamar Greer (#54A)

1 90 minute audio cassette


Catalog#: 68.05 L


transcribed by Shelly Andrus and Midge Hartman

first proofreading:  Michael Rothstein

second proofreading:  Gerry Rothstein


third proofreading:  International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee:  1997



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2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.

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Previous Speakers:  Drs. Farley and Snellbaker.


Moderator: I introduce the third speaker this evening, the International Dean and Founder of this school and the author of the book God the Archetype Original Pattern of the Universe, Doctor Henry C. Kinley.

Dr. Kinley:  Thank you ever so much.  Of course I know all of you know that I’m always happy and glad to talk with you about the great Creator of the universe.  I know that you’ve enjoyed the young Dr. Farley and also Dr. Snellbaker.  I wanna say that it isn’t always that the people occupying this ____ up here, always speak so that the other person can understand.  It doesn’t make any difference how plain you speak, often times you get misunderstood.  And then sometimes an expression can be used that.., missed being corrected, but it has never been my purpose to get up and to jump on somebody about something they said.  I don’t like to do that, but what I prefer to do is when I see something, why then I may not say nothing about it tonight and I hear the thing you say.  You’re not gonna say nothing that I don’t pay attention to.  But ____, I’ll put it this way, if you’re ____ ____, it is possible for us to know something that’s known for an assurance.

One of the things I want to mention about while it’s on my mind is, it’s my intention to make a departure from Los Angeles to Springfield, Ohio on the 16th.  I’ve had communications from there all along.  Long distance telephone calls and not only there but Little Rock, Arkansas, Birmingham, Alabama and Chicago, Detroit and elsewhere.  I’m in direct contact with them all the time.  And you know that we have the reports from there about the progress that they’re making.  Now I have said that, to say this.  Often times when they call me from someplace they ask me about something.

Well, for example, I think I should say this now, as Pat.., I see you’re sitting back there.  You tell Clovis, your husband, that your mother, his mother is not feeling so well and all and I hope to see her in the next few days.  But that that was the communication, the last communication that I had from there.  But whenever something like that happens I usually always call and tell the other fellow what’s going on.  Now if you’ll notice sometime ago, along about October or November, the doctor said that Clovis’s mother didn’t have but 30 days to live and she just had to die.  There wasn’t anything he could do for her.  You remember that?

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Well she’s not quite dead yet.  Now there’s no need to be going on saying anything more about that.  She’s just not dead.

Now the reason why I mention these things to you and the thought I’m trying to get over to you is this:  you hear a whole lot about God being dead and being off somewhere and you have to cry aloud and even as back there in Elijah’s day.., ____ and them told those false prophets to cry aloud and all the different kinda things and maybe you might get something through to ‘em.

But now my point is this:  now Yahweh, it’s in Him that we live and we move and have our being.  It makes no difference whether you are in Los Angeles or in Ohio or anywhere in the world, why God is there, always there.  Now whether you’re conscience of it or not.  Now then when it comes to the teaching here in this place.  I tell you the truth.  I fail to see, now I fail to see any legitimate reason or alibi or excuse for anybody for misunderstanding, I can’t see that, anybody that wants to see.  Now if you don’t wanna see, then you’re gonna have a problem.  You’re gonna have a problem.  Well, we know what that problem is too.  And nobody is going to profit anything by my lies and your lies.  It just won’t help nobody.  So we just might as well come on clean.  Tell it just like it is.  Now if we don’t wanna do that now, then we’re still gonna have to do it after while.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now let me tell you this.  I said here Wednesday night, Yahshua the Messiah said, that He was ____ and took as a liar.  No man goes unto the Father but by Him.  Now He made that statement.  And somebody said, ‘well where do you find that at?  How do you get like that?’  That was said that, ____ ____ comes to my ears.

Then another thing about that same thing, I’ve taken the Book and walked right down among the congregation, the audience here, and showed you where that the papacy claims that the pope has plentitude of power through indulgence to take somebody out of purgatory and put him into heaven.  Now I could come back and say this to you.  ‘Now where you find that at?’  Get the point?  All of these things, you won’t read the Bible to know what’s in it and then when somebody comes along and tells you what’s in it and then you jump up and say, ‘well, where do you find that at?’  Now I wanna tell you where you find it at.

Woman:  Go ahead doc.

Dr. Kinley:  14th chapter of Saint John and the sixth verse.

Woman:  That’s a fact.

Dr. Kinley:  Now you see there if any man goes to the Father but by the pope.  Read it.

Mary Gross:  Yahshua said unto them

Dr. Kinley:  Yahshua say unto them

Mary Gross:  I am the way

Dr. Kinley:  I am the way

Mary Gross:  the truth

Dr. Kinley:   the truth

Mary Gross:  and the life.

Dr. Kinley:  and the life.

Mary Gross:  no man cometh unto the

Dr.  Kinley:  no man cometh the Father

Mary Gross:  but by me.

Dr. Kinley:  Are you satisfied with that?  Now you can try to get by with it all you want to, but you still can’t make it.  Now you can’t go by the honorable Elijah Mohammed.  You cannot go by Bahula.  You can not go by Paul.  You can not go by Peter and you can not go by Henry C. Kinley.

Woman:  Ha. Go ahead doc.

Dr. Kinley:  Now we just might as well tell this story just like it is.  And that’s what we’re gonna do down here.  Now that’s all there is to it, whether you belong to it or don’t belong to it.  It don’t make me no difference.

The Apostle Paul said this to the Corinthians, why is it when you come together into one place that everyone of you has a doctrine?  Just why is that?  Why should we be preaching and teaching all of these miscellaneous doctrines.  Somebody’s got to be wrong somewhere.  You don’t even need no sense for that.  Get the point?  You don’t even, you don’t even need to be intelligent about it.  Be real good and stupid, and you know all of these doctrines, these erroneous doctrines that’s in the world, they just can not all be right.  Then when somebody comes along and tells you the truth, it sounds just like a lie.  Why because all of this erroneous stuff that you’ve heard all your life and now you’re ____.

Now the reason why I’m talking like this, is because.., I tell you the truth, it’s my desire, my heart’s desire, I want every one of you.., now this is what’s in me, I want every one of you setting under the sound of my voice to know the truth.  I’m not against any of you.  I’m for you.  Now if you’re wrong, I’m for you to help you to get it right.  If you’re right, I’m with you to help you stay right.  That oughta be fair, wouldn’t you say so?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Well somebody say, ‘well, I know Doc, but I’m your enemy.’  The Messiah said, hate your friends and love your enemies.

Woman:  He loves ____.

Dr. Kinley:  Love your enemy.

Woman:  That’s what it says.

Dr. Kinley:  Now I want you to leave tonight, when you go home to hear the 11 o’clock news or in the morning or whenever, whenever the news comes on.  They’re talking about how many enemies they shot over there in Vietnam.  Right?  Now would you call that love?  We don’t need no sense for a lotta this stuff that we’re talking about.  Now look, listen, wouldn’t it make sense, even if you don’t know the chapter and verse where to find it there in the Bible, wouldn’t it make sense, that if you come out from the Father by Him, as the Apostle Paul said…  And if you don’t think it’s there, I will read it.  Now wouldn’t it make sense for you to go back to where you come.  Would that make sense?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  It ought to at least make a little bit of sense.  If you come in that door out there, that’s the way you gonna go out, wouldn’t you think so?  Unless you wanna jump out a window or something, lose your mind or something.  That’s sense.

Now what we should do is catch up on ourselves and find out what’s making us so devilish contrary.  Ask yourself a question.  Lotta times you do things, I’m not talking about nobody in particular, I’m speaking collectively, you do things and after you get ‘em done, then you wonder why in the world you did it.  Ask your ownself that.  Now, what we were supposed, what we’re supposed to do, are you listening Wallace, what we’re supposed to do is to preach and to teach in His name.  And no man goes to the Father but by Him.  Question, Why?  Because it was by Him that he came out.  Now if you don’t like that, then I’ll read to you, and that is the purpose in the second chapter of Ephesians, the apostle said that,

Student Body:  That’s right.  That’s right Doc.

Dr. Kinley:  Then somebody always said, I got some stuff at the house.  I read literature all the time.  And one.., supposed to be a real smart fellow that disputed with Doctor Harris.  William L. Blessing I’m talking about, he said that I got my education just like everybody else.  And I said, ‘no.’  I had to let him know it was a result of a revelation.  Well, we offered to pay his way here and put him up here in front of the class and let him go on with his items.  He wouldn’t come.  But by and by, he was staying over here at the Embassy Auditorium.  He didn’t even let nobody know that he was here.  And Doctor Dewey that’s down in Little Rock, he just happened to pass by and seen the sign down there.  He didn’t have nobody down there much.

But I wanna tell you this, now this thing has been tested, it has been tried, tried by all kinds, the things that we teach here.  And nobody has been able to get by.  Nobody has been able to get by.  You just can’t fix this.  And I wanna say this, that the Messiah said, My doctrine is not My own, but of Him that sent Me.  Now this is not my doctrine, but this is Yahweh’s doctrine, His will.

Now He’s taken special pains to eliminate and to abolish our excuses for ignorance.  Now listen to what I’m gonna say.  If you looked in the first chapter of Saint John, this is what you’d find.  You would find that John’s testimony there, is that He lighteneth every man that comes into the world.  Now if God hadn’t made some provisions, are you listening, if He had not made some provision whereby that you could determine what the truth was, then He’d be an unjust God to leave you stupid and ignorant, not knowing no better, and then send you to a burning hell.  Now that don’t make no kinda sense.  You wouldn’t even do that yourself.  Would you?

Student Body:  No. That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  I don’t care how mean you are, you wouldn’t do that.  Now this is simple, plain, easy to be understood, no excuse, none whatsoever.  That’s not normal.  We should all speak the same thing and be perfectly joined together in the same spirit.  Right?

Now at the Council of Nice or Florence or one of them councils, the Roman Catholic Church said this, they declared the infallibly of the Pope when it comes to faith and morals and doctrine.  Now the Messiah said this, ‘Sanhedrin Council,’ said, ‘be you perfect even as your Father which is in heaven.’ Now those people that He said that to, they were not perfect.  But I want to tell you this that with the Spirit of God in you, the genuine Spirit of God in you…

I told you the other night it would be the last time I got up here and spoke, that John said, he that is righteous is righteous, even as He is righteous.  Right?  Why and how’d that happen?  Because it was not you, it is Him that’s in you.  And ____ ____, if you’re a bad fellow.  I told you every body (everybody?) was all right.  There isn’t any thing wrong with any body.  You might have arthritis or something like that, well, that’s common.  And we’re gonna get a new body anyhow, ____ immortality.  So that’s not when the problem is.

Where the problem is is in our conscience and in our mentality and in our comprehension and understanding.  Now that’s where the trouble comes in, where we’re having all our problems through the mind, and then this is what we try to do.  ____, I liked you pretty well.  Leonard, I like you pretty well.’  I’m not lying either.  Well, now if I do, if I saw you make a mistake or something like that, not a premeditated thing, then what I would do, I’d come, I’d come to you and tell you, try to correct you.  But now if you wasn’t gonna be with, if you wasn’t gonna accept chastisement, I mean by the scriptures, then I’d let you know.

Woman:  Go ahead doc.  Amen.

Dr. Kinley:  Let you know.  Now you go ahead and have it your way.  So God chastiseneth everybody whom He receives and it’s better to get a little fanning now.  It’ll give us peaceful fruits of righteousness.

So now when I’m up here it may seem like I’m all sore with you and all.  I’m not against no body, but it’s in.., it’s that spirit that’s in each one of us.

Why these women, they’re the most beautiful thing you have ever seen.  No, I’m not lying, Billy, I’m telling the truth.  That’s why God made ‘em like that, for the glory of the man, at least that’s what He said.  Believe it or not, that’s it.  The men there, ‘they just look fine to me, ____ real nice, real good.’  Everybody.  The person with the Holy Spirit in them is the most beautiful person you ever seen in your life.  It just permeates and shines back at you, it just changes up everything.  It’s magnetic.  Solomon looked at the church and he said that it was compared to a woman.  Maybe you better read that.  Song of Solomon 6 and 8 and just listen at that. 8:6, I believe now, been so long since I read it, it just can’t come to my mind.  I just want you to see what he said.

Mary Gross:  Set me a seal upon thine heart

Dr. Kinley:  Where are you reading?

Mary Gross:  Sorry.  Song of Solomon 8:6.

Dr. Kinley:  8:6. I believe somebody might wanna know where that, as they did the other, back the other night.  Said, set me as a seal upon thine heart.

Mary Gross:  and as a seal upon my arm

Dr. Kinley:  as a seal upon my arm.  Listen.

Mary Gross:  for love

Dr. Kinley:  for love

Mary Gross:  is strong as death

Dr. Kinley:  love is strong as death.  Did you ever stop to think about that.  You talk about your long winded words, the philoprogenitiveness.  John 3:16.  God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.  God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believed in Henry C. Kinley.

Student Body:  No.

Dr. Kinley:  You see how stupid we are.  That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  The apostles say… What is the definition of the meaning of the word philo-pro-genitiveness?  Instinctive love of offspring.  That’s the, that’s the definition, that’s the meaning of it.  Now we are, the Acts of Apostles said, Paul told the Greeks, said, we are the offspring of God.  Now God with His instinctive love for His offspring gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish.  And Solomon is saying here talking about that, Solomon said, set me, the church, the congregation, the assembly, the bride, set me as a seal upon thine heart, a seal upon thine heart for love is strong as death.  And proved it right out there.  Read.

Mary Gross:  jealousy

Dr. Kinley:  jealousy

Mary Gross:  as cruel as the grave

Dr. Kinley:  is as cruel as the grave

Student Body: That’s right.

Dr.  Kinley:  is as cruel, is as cruel as the grave.  When a man is dead, dead and buried in the grave, he has no way of escape.  It holds in bondage of death.  You talking about the Israelites being down in Egypt in bondage.  Death.  Cruel as the grave.  That’s the reason why when Yahshua the Messiah rose from the dead he brought to life, life and immortality.  So says the apostle.  It’s wonderful.  Now the cost isn’t all this great, and yet it’s a pretty expensive thing, cause what you have to do, you have to carry so much of that junk you think off to the dump.  There ain’t no need to try to save none.  That picking around out here, ‘I know this is right.’ Just take a wheelbarrow, just take the whole thing right straight on to the dump cause it’s wrong from start to finish.

Student Body:  Okay.

Dr. Kinley:  ‘Why did you say that?’  The end was declared from the beginning.  Now if the end was declared from the beginning, you don’t get way down here in the middle and fix it up.  You can’t start wrong and end up right.  You’ve got to start right.  So you just might as well go on back and get the root of it.  Get the point?  And then you’ll find it like this, that it works, it works through all of the dispensations and ages.  It never does digress, it never does deviate, it just never does that.  There’s no excuse for nobody’s stupidity.  Now sit right where you are.  Back into the lesson that we had.  Set me as a seal upon thine heart, a seal upon thine heart, for love is strong as death, jealousy is as cruel as the grave.  Is that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright, read.

Mary Gross:  the coals thereof

Dr. Kinley:  the coals thereof

Mary Gross:  are coals of fire

Dr. Kinley:  are coals of fire

Mary Gross:  which hath

Dr. Kinley:  which hath

Mary Gross:  a most vehement flame

Dr. Kinley:  which hath a most explosive and vehement flame.  Alright, read.

Mary Gross:  many waters can not

Dr. Kinley:  many waters, many waters, many waters, even the flood, many waters can not quench love.  Alright, read on.

Mary Gross:  neither can the flood drown it

Dr. Kinley:  neither can the floods drown it

Mary Gross:  if a man would give all the substance….

Dr. Kinley:  Now look here, if a man would give all the substance of his house for love.  It’s not for sale, you just can’t buy it.  If you would give all the substance of your house for love, ____ ____.  You just can’t buy love.  I don’t care how much money you got.  Tell me there’s two and three billionaires, he don’t have enough money to buy love.  You talk about Paul Getty and H. L. Hunt, and those boys the multimillionaires, if they’d give whole thing, they just couldn’t buy it.  Now we need to get that learned.  Now jealousy is cruel as the grave.  Floods and fires and nothing can quench love.  Yahweh is love.  God is love.  There’s no way you can quench it, no way you could drown it, there’s no way you could overcome it.  ‘Say listen here, how do you know whether you’re saved or lost?’  You don’t have to move off these chairs.  Just keep your seat, keep your seat.  John put it this way.  We know that we have passed from death to life.  ‘How do you know?’

Woman:  When you love the brethren.

Dr. Kinley:  When we love the brethren.  Now if you don’t love the brethren then you know you haven’t passed from death to life.  Now there ain’t no need to arguing around about it.  You don’t have to go around and ask nobody, ‘how am I doing?’  You don’t have to bother with nothing like that,

Woman:  Go ahead.

Dr. Kinley:  Sitting right on the seat, right where you are.

Woman:  That’s right.  Individual.

Dr. Kinley:  If you love the brethren.

Woman: That’s it.

Dr. Kinley:  You’re lost, that’s what your troubles are.  I don’t care who you are.  And that’s how you know, you know personally and individually.  Often times this is what we do unconsciously, we’ll get some silly notion in our head, some doctrinal notion and because somebody else don’t see it like we do, snub ‘em.

Woman:  My Lord.  That does happen.  It does happen that way.

Dr. Kinley:  There ain’t nobody saved but you.  Now that don’t make no kinda sense, does it?  That’s the reason why I’ve always been free with this pulpit.  If there’s anybody around that knows anymore about it than me, or even if you don’t know as much about it as me, that’s a ____ ____ ____.  And I don’t care about your skirt nor

your pants either.  Get the point?  Yes indeed.  There isn’t any male nor female, bond nor free.  Isn’t that right?

Woman:  They didn’t hear you Doc.

Dr. Kinley:  So now I wanna put it down there just like it is.

Now there’s one more thing.  If you don’t remember nothing else that I said tonight, remember this.  The time is short.  This age is coming to a close.  I noticed that Doctor Leonard or one of ‘em put this up here.  Now look, now this is the age where we’re living in.  The present age, but there’s one.., there’s some more coming.  This is not all of it.  Now by teaching.., somebody went out, Jack Parr, one of ‘em when we was in Hollywood, was talking about a beauty pageant.  The beautiful girls around.  He said there’s a man right down the street from him down there, that said the world was coming to an end.  And he said he was gonna have his fun and all, and he’s gonna carry that pageant on just the same.  And we’ve had some come to school down here and said, ‘well if the world comes to the end and God’s gonna burn up the world, then it won’t last long nohow.’ Said, ‘how you get back…?’  Take cremation out here in the cemetery, it don’t take too long to burn up a body.  And they’re walking around defying God, saying, ‘that man said that the world is coming to an end, and I just might just as well have a good time now, if it’s gonna come to an end.’ You better get that kinda spirit out of you.  And listen the world is coming to an end whether you believe it or not.  And that wouldn’t be the first time.  It come to the end, it’s come to an end before.  Now somebody said, ‘well I don’t believe that stuff.’  Now I’m not responsible for your ignorance.  It has come to an end before, twice before.  And if it’s come to an end twice before, it’s gonna come to an end again.  Then after we get to that end, it’s gonna come to another end.  How you like that?  Now you can go away and tell ‘em that man said so, if you want to, but I didn’t say it, the Book said it’s so.  The ages and dispensations of time.

You know another thing, I wanna mention to you is this, which I’m sure they are, there is hardly anybody that’s setting under the sound of my voice but what hasn’t wondered something about it.  And it is something to think about.  They wonder why that if there is a God, well the people often ask this question.  ‘If there is a God, why does He permit such atrocities, so many murders, so much wrong doing in the world.  Now if there’s a God, why does He allow all of that to happen?’ It’s something to think about.  Haven’t you wondered about that?  Answer me.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Yes indeed.

Woman:  I know.

Dr. Kinley: Yes indeed.  Now if you just look and seen what the Messiah said in the 24th chapter of Matthew, in the 21st chapter of Luke, and the 13th chapter of Mark you got a clean cut clear picture of today.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now listen, Williams, if these people back here, well let’s say from here and back under the law, this is the flood here.  Now I’m speaking collectively.  Now the prophets they did prophesy with the Holy Spirit back here.  Yes, they did, every last one of ‘em.  But now this is the flood, this is the end of this world or a age.  Now here we come down to the crucifixion and Pentecost here, now that’s the end of that age.  Now we’ll put this up here.  E N D.  We’ll put E N D up here. (DR. KINLEY WRITES ON THE BLACK BOARD.) Now that’s the end.

Now we’re coming down to the end of this one.  Now there’s 7 ages and dispensations of time.  You get the point?  Now what do we see here in this present age.  In this present age, now listen at me close, because I’m speaking collectively now.  Remember I told you that the prophets, that they prophesied with the Holy Spirit from Enoch, the seventh from Adam, all the way down, they prophesied with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven.  Same Holy Spirit that you and I have got.  You listening?  You sure you’re listening?  But now those were individuals that God had chose to prophesy.  Well what’s the difference between that and now?  He poured out His spirit on all flesh and they shall all.., that’s the New Covenant, and they shall all know me from the least to the greatest.  Well now listen close.  Then all the devils, if you wanna call ‘em that, and all the demons, that ever was in heaven and cast out into the earth… I told you this before and I’m doing nothing but repeating it now.  You have the Holy Spirit in you.  You are prepared to stand against all of the wiles of the devil, more so now than there ever have been in the history of the world.  That’s the reason why it’s as bad as it is.

Student Body:  That’s right.  I see.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s why the Messiah said what He did.  You understand now?  Now if you look in the 24th chapter of Matthew, 21st chapter of Luke.  You oughta read sometime.  He said, many false prophets, not a few, but many false prophets shall go out and they shall deceive, not a few, many.  When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation.  You know what the abomination of desolation means, it means it’s a abominable thing that makes a thing desolate.  Desolate.  This is Satan’s realm.  Prince of the power of the air.  He’s incarnated in these physical bodies.  You’re talking about murder and jealousy, they’ll shoot you down and even get used to it.  Don’t think no more about killing somebody than you do about setting down eating your breakfast.  Gets toughened to it.  A lot of ‘em got rich, they’d kill their own mothers and fathers, do things you’d just wouldn’t think a person would do.


Dr. Kinley:  Here right in your own family, Messiah said so.  You don’t believe me, there it is in the Book, you got it.  Said a mother, a daughter would be against her mother, and a mother against her daughter.  In your house.  Father against a son and a son against a father.  What makes that?  He that is born after the flesh persecutes him that’s born after the spirit, he can’t see, don’t think in that category, don’t think in that realm at all.  Obedience.  No. You talk about obey God, there ain’t, they won’t even obey their own parents.  Now that’s the shape we’re in today.  And with all of these false prophets and all of these erroneous doctrines… Why there’s so many different churches.  Here last week they got a change of it.  They been negotiating for a long time.  They’re merging.  And they’re still talking about that there ought be some more mergers.  You all like this kinda preaching.

Student Body:  Yeah.

Dr. Kinley:  Now you see this, that’s the reason why, that’s what we’re showing up here on this chart.  We didn’t have room for all of these over here, that’s what we choice Steven.  Anti-Christ, pagan and papal persecution, false prophets, false anti-christs.  False Anti-christ.  One come along just to show you some of the different…

One come along.  Say, ‘well I’m a vegetarian.  I read my… I mentioned this last night on the Les Spring show.’ There’s a man from India, Yoga ____ and Joe Kline says, ‘well, why don’t you all instead of starving to death, eat up some of them cows you got out there, instead of you running over here telling us about what to do, why don’t you teach some in your own country, why don’t you eat some of ‘em.’  And he said 80% of the people in India were vegetarians, vegetarians.  Now Paul spoke about that, here’s one believing, eating herbs, and another one thinks he can eat meat and all like that.  Now listen, we got all of these chronologically and what not.  And can I just go ahead and can I just go on and talk like I want to.  Carnal ordinances.  You oughta be able to understand that.

And some… you got another one there on TV giving exercise. (DR. KINLEY APPEARS TO BE DOING SOME FORM OF EXERCISE) Getting kinda red. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And all that kinda thing.  We just got some of everything you can think of, all you have to do is name it and we got it.  Doctrine.  Now, what did Paul say about that exercise?

Student:  Bodily exercise profiteth nothing.

Dr. Kinley:  I just want you see now, I just want you to see about it. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) They didn’t know, they didn’t even know there’s anything in the Bible about it.  Now here’s God tells the Children of Israel to slay a lamb and eat it.  And now here you are out here talking about, it’s a sin to eat meat.  And the same God that had the meat, is the same God that growed the wheat and that stuff out there, herbs they’re eating.  The devil just don’t give a hoot what kind of a lie he tells you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) And whether you eat or don’t eat, you’re gonna be changed.  It ain’t gonna make it no better whatsoever for you.  But the devil got any kinda soup or nuts you want.  You know what I mean by that, don’t you?  Just any kind of a doctrine.  You got some doing…  ‘What are you doing?’  Said, ‘Well, I’m taking my exercises.’  Paul said bodily exercises… Don’t, didn’t he tell Timothy that?

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now if you don’t think it’s in the Bible, I’ll read it before I go home what Paul said about it.  And he said meat that God has created to be received with thanksgiving.  Abstaining or partaking, you can die from different things, gonna be changed.  And listen, let me tell you, I told you this the other night.  It don’t make no difference how you live.  Holy.  You get to the place where you’re just untouchable. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) It don’t make no difference how cute you are, everybody’s got to be changed.

Woman:  Oh, lordy.  My lord.  This is ____.

Dr. Kinley:  Now you see what I mean?

Woman:  Yeah, boy.

Dr. Kinley:  I tried to tell you so that you could get some sense out of it.

Woman:  ____ ____ doc.

Dr. Kinley:   Get some understanding out of it.  The devil just done told us everything.  Got us all sore at one another.  Say, ‘what are you?’ ‘Well,’ say, ‘I’m a Baptist.  Yes I’m a Baptist bred, and I’m a Baptist born and when I die, I’ll just be a Baptist gone.’  ‘How long have you been a Baptist?’  ‘Too long to change.’ (DR.  KINLEY LAUGHS)

Woman:  That man knows what he’s talking about.

Dr. Kinley:  ‘If I change my mother, my father’d turn over in their graves.’

Woman:  Go ahead.

Dr. Kinley:  And then somebody’s stupid enough to come along and say, ‘well listen, I’ve been a Republican all my life, if I’d voted Democrat, taken my father.’  We’re just nothing.  All this old superstition and tradition and custom, foolish stuff, mess, junk, that we’ve got.  That’s trash.  And you can know the truth and it’s, ain’t nothing else gonna free you but the truth.

And here’s another bad habit we got.  We wanna run out and tell somebody else how to live and we don’t know ourselves.

Student Body: That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.  You just want somebody else to know how, know how to live, and here we don’t know our self.  We take glory in trying to tell somebody else what we don’t know our ownselves, I’m speaking collectively.

Woman:  That’s alright.

Dr. Kinley:  And if you’d follow some of us home.  That’s right.

Woman:  I wouldn’t follow ‘em now.

Dr. Kinley:  You’d just follow some of us home and stay around there, you won’t have to stay a whole week.

Woman:  I ain’t gonna ____, ____ they gonna bothering me, I ain’t going home.

Dr. Kinley:  No, you won’t have to be bothered a whole week.  No indeed.  You’d have a change of mind.  But children, you just might as well straighten up and fly right cause the time is short.  It’s short.  There’s salvation.  Now we tried to show you that love, you can’t purchase it.  And you know within yourself whether you’re what you oughta be or not, whether you love someone or not?  Is that right?

Student Body:  That’s right Doc.

Dr. Kinley:  It don’t make no difference about what somebody else says.  It don’t make no difference how, what you was last week.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  What are you tonight?

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  You all like that kinda teaching?

Woman:  I love it.  I love it.

Student Body:  Yeah.

Dr. Kinley:  Now that’s just plain easy to be understood talk, just child talk so you can understand.  The Holy Spirit in our hearts, in our minds, it’ll just simply make you behave.  You can’t, you can’t, you can’t do wrong with the Holy Spirit in you.  Now listen as many, as many as are lead by the spirit, they are the sons of God.  It’s them that are led by the Spirit, not them that’s led by the false prophets and doctrines and ideologies and opinions and concepts of men.  Now you can go around here making on like you got something all you want to, but there’s a time when there’s gonna be a show down.  Yes sir.  Matthew 7:22.  Yahshua the Messiah said this.  He would sit on the throne of glory and all nations shall be gathered before Him.  Are you listening?  And He said, verily; well maybe you better read it cause somebody don’t wanna, ‘no it just don’t sound right.’ You get the point?  If you say that it don’t sound like.., when you’re reading out of the Bible, they can get it if somebody reads the Bible just like you do.  The Mormons say that, that the Book ain’t right.  And this other fellow I told you about that Doctor Harris wrote to, he said that some people over there in Africa, he said, ‘don’t nobody know where they come from.’  Now I’ll bring the book down and let you read.  Now here he wants to, here he’s debating with somebody.  Anybody that stupid?  Read Matthew 7:22.

Mary Gross:  Many will say unto me in that day

Dr. Kinley:  Now, not a few, now many false prophets shall go out and many shall be deceived and many shall say unto me in that day

Mary Gross:  Rabbi, rabbi

Dr. Kinley:  Rabbi, Master.  Read.

Mary Gross:  Did we not eat and drink in thy name?

Dr. Kinley:  Didn’t we not eat and drink in your name?

Mary Gross:  And in thy name have cast out

Dr. Kinley:  And in thy name cast out devils

Mary Gross:  And in thy name done many wonderful things

Dr. Kinley:  And in thy name done many wonderful things

Mary Gross:  And then will I say unto

Dr. Kinley:  Whoa, whoa, hold it.  No ma’am, no sir.  Uh, uh.  Many baptized out there in the water, in His name.  ‘We had 7,000 or so many thousand converts in Madison Square Garden, great revival.’  Jehovah’s Witnesses.  ‘We done all that in your name.’  One of the first things when you go to talk to anybody about any vision.  ‘Now how many folks in your church?’ That’s what the government wants to know now about this school.  You know why they wanna know?  It’s so they can judge the.., count fifty cent or a dollar a head and judge, what you teach in order to cover they didn’t get not report on it.  ‘How many subjects you got.’  Now if you can tell ‘em something about how many you got in there then they can kinda judge.  See the point?  Everything they done, they done it in His name so they thought.  Repeat it over again.

Mary Gross:  Many will say unto me in that day

Dr. Kinley:  Many will say unto me in that day

Mary Gross: Rabbi, rabbi.

Dr. Kinley:  Rabbi or master, master.

Mary Gross:  Did we not eat and drink in your

Dr. Kinley:  Didn’t we not eat and drink and take the suppers and all and everything in your name.

Mary Gross:  And in thy name have cast out

Dr. Kinley:  And in thy name cast, look at the devil talking about the devil too.  In Thy name, we’ve cast out devils.  See that? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Then what’s gonna happen?

Mary Gross:  and in thy name done many wonderful works

Dr. Kinley:  and in thy name done many wonderful things.  A world famous psychologist, a world famous individual, just great power authority, Paul going in there, walking around. (DR. KINLEY STOMPS AROUND) All in the name.  Pass their little cup, ‘____ ____,’ all in the name.  Down here breaking down segregation in Washington.  All in the name.  That’s right.  That’s to win converts in the name.  And then what?

Mary Gross:  and then will I say

Dr. Kinley:  and then will I say

Mary Gross:  I never knew you

Dr. Kinley:  I never even knew you

Mary Gross:  depart from me

Dr. Kinley:  you, you depart from me

Mary Gross:  you that work iniquity.

Dr. Kinley:  ye that work iniquity.  You know what the trouble is.  They don’t see that the natural is blotted out or fulfilled.  In the name.  Spirit’s in your heart and mind, it’s not a case of foot washing now.  That, that was a carnal ordinance, and they would ____ a part of your Oops.  Your ____ ____ ____, that’s it.  Nailed to the cross.  It was imposed on them.  Them who?  Imposed on the Jews.  How long?  Till the reformation.  And they were nailed to the cross.  And now here they got up here, ‘eat this and don’t eat that.’  They’re carrying on all kinds of foolishness, and just everything you can think of.  Call theirself miracle worker.  And some preacher standing around making a idiot and a fool out of you.  Said, Solomon said, or somebody said cast your bread upon the waters and after many days.  I’ll be through in a minute.  He’ll return unto you.  Somebody standing around crying.  Said, ‘Dr. Kinley told you or so and so just told you, he preached a good sermon.  I’m gonna do all I can to help the Lord.’  Now he’s doing something to help the Lord.  And you know it’s terrible.  And he done give everything almost he’s got there and these little babies running around under footed, got it backwards, and he’s got nothing to eat at home.  And he can’t go up to the grocer and buy a loaf of bread and a little butter to go on it.  He gets the butter, then the bread’s gone.  If he gets the bread, then he ain’t got enough to buy the butter.

Woman:  You all come up here and dress up.

Dr. Kinley:  All that kinda stuff.  ‘What you doing that for?’  Said, ‘I’m helping God, he that ____ unto the Lord.’  I know what’s in that Book, and all them different kinda stuff.  Yes it’s terrible.  And here we go down, no salvation, and then I told you don’t follow us home.  And you get home, and you kinda die down, spirit kinda died on you.  He even begin to wonder who you can borrow a dollar from.  You know he ain’t gonna pay you back.  Said, ‘well, look here I can’t got no loan from down to the loan company I owe everybody.’  Come to scratching your head, ‘I wonder if so and so and so…’ And here you’ll give away everything you had.  And this is what Paul said.  Are you listening, Freddie?

Fred Allen, Jr.:  Sure am.

Woman:  Good.

Dr. Kinley:  He said if he’d give all his goods to feed the poor.  Then carry on, get his body to be cremated or offered up, and he didn’t have charity.  It wouldn’t profit him a thing.  It won’t help you a bit.  Then when you get through with that, then somebody said, ‘Say I thought you had a little piece of money here.  What’d you do with it?’  Said, ‘well, I tell you, I’m doing all I can for the church.’  And he said, ‘I put it in church.’

Woman:  And all they got.

Dr. Kinley:  And then.., you know what that fellow calls him?  Say, ‘Well listen, you’re a fool.’ Any way you go, you’re a fool.  Put it in the poor box.  Did this, did that, and did the other.  You’re a fool.  And here we go.  You get up and you start up yonder.  ‘We don’t believe in Bibles?’ (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) I’ll tell you, Freddy, it’s a dog.  It’s something else.  You may not believe in Bibles, which we don’t, and fail to believe in God.  And ____ ____ just the same.  ____ ____ ____.  It won’t.., nothing won’t help you.  Now that’s the only thing… I’ll put it like this.  Now God gave His only, that is to say, He just simply gave all He had.  He went bankrupt, sure enough for you and for your salvation.

Woman:  That’s it.

Dr. Kinley:  And you can go around here doing all these wonderful things you wanna do. And you fail to break the thought, you fail ____ ____ ____.  You’re carried away with some false idea, some false notion, some false doctrine.  You don’t believe in Bibles, you don’t believe in it, you don’t believe in that and all that kinda thing.  And if you’re not real careful, you got the wrong idea anyhow, if you’re not real careful and you’re trying to be nice, somebody come along and punch you real hard, you’ll find that, you’ll find out you’d do something you didn’t thought, you didn’t think you did, they punch you, you done, ‘you don’t believe in..,’ and you done mashed somebody in the mouth. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Then you got killed or something.  You don’t believe in violence though.  That’s what you’re talking about and that’s what you’re teaching.  The devil here now get to rubbing you ____ right on and you’ll find out what… You get what I mean?  You better have the right thing in you.  Yes indeed.  Cause he’ll make you prove it.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  (LAUGHS) Paul said prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.  If you say you’re right, like you ought to be, if you are our epistle read and known of all men.  Now if you’re right like you ought to be, you still gotta job to prove it.  You all got enough of this now?

Woman:  No, we ain’t.  No, we ain’t.  Uh, uh.

Dr. Kinley:  But now listen children.

Woman:  We ain’t got enough.

Dr. Kinley: The truth is the light of the world.  That’s all with God.  And if you believe in Him, now He did the work that you might… Grace is not a work.  You didn’t earn a thing of it.  God is not obligated to you for nothing.  For by grace are you saved through faith, listen, and that’s not of yourself.  ‘I bought it.’  No, it’s a gift freely given of God.  Now I’m just about through with that.  But this is how I preach as I go around and as I try to teach.  I try to teach people the real genuine thing.  That is ____, ____ with me.  It’s your soul that’s been saved.  You know whether you’re right or wrong.  There ain’t no need of you letting somebody come along and lure you down there saying, ‘you’re something,’ and you know good and well you’re nothing.  It ain’t gonna help you none.  Somebody come along and say, ‘well sister, brother,’ said, ‘belong down yonder?’  ‘Yeah, I’m one of ‘em.’  ‘You belong to that Institute?’  ‘Yeah, I belong to the Institute.’  Say look that’s not gonna get it, belonging to the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, that’s not gonna get it.  You have to be in the Kingdom of Yahshua.  Now that’ll get it.  Somebody says,  ‘well I’m following Kinley,’

Woman:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  that’s not gonna get it.

Woman:  That’s what I say.  Amen.

Dr. Kinley:  You follow me.  Now Paul puts it this way.  You follow me as I follow Yahshua the Messiah.  Oh, there’s some more things I could tell you that are very, very important in this day.  That’s why we had to, had it read a while ago.  It’s about hooked right up with what you just read there.  In that day, many shall come and say, ‘haven’t we done many wonderful thing in your name.  Look at all them converts we had.  Look at how we labored.’  To get all these folks ____ and then He set there and tell you, said, ‘depart from Me you that work iniquity I never knew you.’  Got you saved by the works.  And then somebody had the nerve to turn over there in James said, ‘faith without work is dead.’  Well faith without works is dead,

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  but it don’t say nothing about the works of the law.  Dead works.  You’re not under the law.  Then you get off of the job, that’s your works.  Messiah said, faith is, this is the work that, He said it, now if you don’t think he said it, all you have to do is stick up your paw, I, I’ll prove it to you.  Said, this is the work, and it’s a great big job too.  This is the work.  That you believe on Him that sent Me.  That’s what He said.

Look, let me tell you something and then I’m through.  When it comes right down to looking at a man.  Look at one another, looking at a man.  It is a pretty tough thing to see how that the Creator of this universe can get in a little fellow like this and walk around.  That’s pretty, that’s a pretty tough job.  Look how big the sun is, look how big the moon is and look at how big the earth is.  Here’s the faith, to get in a little fellow like this and walk around.  Now that’s a great big job.  Now you got yourself a job there.  And say He had to prove that thing too, cause you just don’t come along and say that so and so and so and so and so and buy it…  He had, He had to prove that thing.  Now how’s He gonna prove it, that, that’s what the Creator is incarnated in a physical body.  How’s He gonna prove that?

Now the sun and moon, and the elements and all functions right with it, when you understand.  When He was.., Adam is driven out of the Garden, the sun is going down.  Now Adam was the Son of God, so Luke says in the third chapter and the last verse.  Now here’s the Son of God.  And He died out on the cross, the Sun was going down.  He would die and very early in the morning, and the sun come up and you reach it’s zenith in the sky, very early in the morning He resurrected from the dead.  See how that sun out in the sky and the Son here work together.  Oh, I could just go on and on and on and tell you many different things.

Now He said, I’m the Resurrection and the Life.  Somebody said, ‘I don’t believe that.’  Well, how’d it go to the cemetery?  Man dead four days.  They rolled the stone away, then He knelt down, tears rolling down His checks.  ‘Oh, what’s the matter.’  It’s a hard thing for them to believe that He was the Resurrection and the Life.  He had an awful job, He wasn’t bothered about Lazarus.  No, He wasn’t bothered about that at all, about that, about that, about them, our heart, their heart and then ____.  And when they seen Him cry, said, ‘He must have loved him.’  Tears rolling down His checks (cheeks?), walked just until.., now listen, He’d better say this this way.  He said, ‘Lazarus.’  You better identify who you’re talking about cause if He don’t, you’re gonna have a, you’re gonna have a whole lotta something else. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I’ll prove that to you in just a minute.  He said, ‘Lazarus, come forth.’  Now he’d been dead four days.  Now how can a man like that call a man that’s been dead four days.  Deterioration, disintegration had begin.  ____.  Here he comes, bound and wrinkled.  Said, ‘loose him and let him go.’ Said, ‘that was a wonderful thing.’

Matthew 27:52.  Here when He died and rose from the dead Himself.  If you read your Book, many of the saints that slept in the dust of the earth from Adam on down, rose and went on into Jerusalem, and appeared to many.  And Paul said there in the 15th chapter of first Corinthians, he said, many there remain even, when he wrote his epistle to the Corinthians, were scared alive until that day they saw it.  Oh I tell you, ____ ____ when you believe that such a thing could be, that ____ a little bitty boy like that.  It’s a big job.  It ain’t much of a job to wash somebody’s feet.  It ain’t much of a job to punch somebody in water.  That ain’t no job at all.  You need a bath once in a while anyhow.  Sure you do.  A little deodorant will tough it out.

Woman:  Yeah.

Dr. Kinley:  But I’m telling you the truth.  When it comes to you believing in Him being the Resurrection and God giving Him and that’s the Creator of the world incarnated in that body.  Boy you got yourself a job.

Student Body:  Yeah indeed.

Dr. Kinley:  To Believe that such a thing could be.  Now that’s a great big job, believing on Him that sent Me, that you believe.  Prophets said, ‘behold, look, you despisers, wonder and perish.  I’ll work a work in your day.’ ‘What are you doing?’  ‘I’m fulfilling the law and the prophecy.  Now I’ll work a work in your day that you shall not believe though a man declare it unto you.’  Go out there and raise somebody from the dead and all these saints that slept in the dust of the earth, the 37th chapter of Ezekiel.  That’s where God said He’d lay sinew upon ‘em and bring ‘em on up out of the graves, proving that He was the Messiah.  Proving that He was the One.  Now that’s a great big job.  That amounts to far more than washing somebody’s feet or somebody with some dietary regime, or somebody abstaining from this and partaking of that and all that kinda junk.  Did you all get anything out

Woman:  Go on.

Dr. Kinley:  of what I’m trying to say to you?

Woman:  We enjoyed it.  I am…

Dr.  Kinley:  You got anything out of it?  Have you got anything out of it?

And you within yourself, Leonard you don’t need me to come around and tell you, ‘Leonard you’re not right.’ You know that.  Now if your conscience condemn you, so says John, God is greater than your conscience.  You’re the loser.  You’re gonna have to stand before and give, and give an account of the deeds done while you’re in the body.  Mamma and Papa, they ain’t they, they can’t help you.  The pope can’t do nothing about it.  Where he gonna be?  Well I’ll tell you where he’s gonna be, he’s gonna be in the Lake.  That’s where the Book said he’s gonna be.  Said the beast and the false prophet, didn’t say he was going either, said he’ll be.

Now you just might as well, as I said, time is short, and you just might as well get on down to business with yourself and be honest with our ownselves.  It’s your soul.  I’m not trying to lead you into believing that I’m any great anything at all.  But I wanna tell you something, I’m as great as you make ‘em.

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Ain’t nobody on earth any greater than me.  And I don’t mind nothing. Do you understand?  And the greater you get to be, you know what you are?  Well somebody, (DR. KINLEY STOMPS AROUND) like. (STOMPS) You go running around, hollering.  He’s the servant of all, that’s what the Messiah said.

Woman:  He turned the other check.

Dr. Kinley:  You people ____ ____ and everything else.  I’ve been beat up bodily.  Yes, blood, sweat and tears.  Sure enough nobody taking nothing out of me.  I seen what I seen, I don’t have to ask nobody about it.  Say, I’m not depending on you to save me.  Doctor Bob, I like you pretty well, but I know you ain’t got nothing in that pill grip that’s gonna save me.  You just don’t have it.  It takes something better that.  Yes, I preach it all,

Woman:  Glory.

Dr. Kinley:  but it takes something more than that.

Woman:  Hallelujah.

Dr. Kinley:  It takes Lord God

Woman:  Glory, my Lord.

Dr. Kinley:  ____ ____ ____.  Now let’s be honest about it.

Woman:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  I hope you got something

Woman:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  out of it.


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