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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley



originally recorded by Dr. Carl F. Gross on reel to reel

transferred to 2 90 minute audio cassettes by Geraldine Rothstein

transcribed by Geraldine Rothstein

proofread by Mary Gross

approved by International Public Relations Committee – February 1995


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Scripture reading was Revelation 20

     And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:  and after that he must be loosed a little season.  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:  and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Yahshua, and for the word of Yahweh, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Yahshua a thousand years.  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.  This is the first resurrection.  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:  on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of Yahweh and of Yahshua, and shall reign with him a thousand years.  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:  and fire came down from Yahweh out of heaven, and devoured them.  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:  and another book was opened, which is the book of life:  and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and sheol delivered up the dead which were in them:  and they were judged every man according to their works.  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.  This is the second death.  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Moderator:  At this time the founder and dean of the school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.  Dr. Kinley.

Dr. Kinley:  Thank you ever so much.  I’m glad to be here and to see as many of you out tonight as is present.  It is apparent by your presence that you are expecting to come here to learn.  The sacrifices and all that you have made and I know that some of you are tired and worn out.  I know that.  It has been many nights and lost a lot of sleep and had to get up early and some of you don’t feel good, don’t feel too well; in other words I realize the state and condition in which you are in, but it is incumberent upon me to warn you about some things that I think that is possible for you to overlook because this is a time and a period in the history of the world in the functions and operations of the spirit of God according to the purpose of God for man to become slack and negligent and the devil and his angels wear you out.  Now in order to avoid and to keep from being worn out and giving up, the slackness in this period of time, which I’m gonna.., intend to show you something about what I’m talking about on the floor and it’s gonna be my business to try to make sure that you do know, now I didn’t say guess about, so that you can be able to stand the tests and the wiles of the Devil.  Daniel said at this time that we’re talking about in the Bible, said he shall wear out the saints, he didn’t say the wicked people, wear out the saints of the most High God.

     Now he has no power of his own.  We don’t want you to get no such thought as that, because there is no power but of God, but God Himself is giving the devil power.  Now if you don’t think that’s right and if you think I made a mistake I’ll read that to you in the Bible just like I said it.

     And those of you that know me well enough know that I do know what I’m talking about and it is no speculation.  35 years of my ministerial activities has proved beyond a question of doubt that when I say a thing to you, teach you a thing sometimes it is far in the future, that is from the time I teach you until its function and operation becomes from a prophetic point of view it becomes a historical fact.  Now what I’m saying there in so many words for those that possibly didn’t understand what I mean, I’m telling you that I have told you the history of the world from 1935 down unto this present time and there are those that set under the sound of my voice at this present time and at this present hour that have been right along with me during the periods of prophetic intervals that I’m telling you that I did predict.  Now I think I oughta explain that:  I don’t make predictions and neither does anybody else that is real wise.  All of the predictions that I’ve made, just one makes ’em – that’s God, not Daniel, Isaiah, Moses, Peter.  He’s the only prophet.  Now those vessels that He spoke through like Daniel, Jeremiah and others and gave them the permission or He spoke through them the things that were to come to pass and we call them prophets, they’re known to us as prophets but the major and one and only prophet is God.

     Now what I want to talk to you about there is this:  now God, this great prophet we’re talking about, master of the universe, saw fit to declare the end right from the beginning.  Now just to stand here and say that without a profound knowledge of what you’re talking about doesn’t mean a thing.

     Anybody as I have told you from one time to the other, and you never have seen nobody in no church no where on earth but what didn’t say that this God that we’re talking about sent them.  They all say that.  Now that is where the deception comes in.  That’s how so many people are deceived.  That’s how so many people are not able to discern the difference between a false and a true prophet.  Now do you understand me that far.  Then that same false prophet after the failure of his predictions (notice I said his predictions, see they are his and they are not God’s, they are his) and after the failure of ’em – flat, plain, undeniable, irrefutable failure, that same false prophet (God has given him power to continue on), now that same false prophet and them same people are not bright enough and familiar enough with the purpose of God operating in the dispensations and ages to detect and to discern that that is a false prophet, even after his prophecies have failed and they continue on.  Now that, this is what that means:  that means that those people are deceived, they are fooled.  And for the sake, some of ’em, of their reputations they continue on.  It’s too embarrassing for some of those that partake to get up and walk out because they are afraid.  They have fear of loosing their status quo, their standing in the community.  They’re afraid of it.  They are afraid of the persecution that will follow.  Now if I’m not mistaken I told you the same thing once before.

     And this is that I’m going to mention now is a statistic, a written statistic in this United States of America, I am not talking about foreign countries.  I have a record book at home, I’m not sure just which year it was whether it was 1963 or 1964, I have forgotten.  But in the United States of America with a population of approximately 195 million people, of that 195 million people in this country 66 million according to statistics do not belong to any church at all and for the remainder (after you’ve deducted the 66 million from the 195 million) now the remainder of those in the United States of America, a lot of ’em that do call themselves belonging to church including the preacher do not believe in God as they should.  And do not belong to church because they believe in the doctrine and philosophy of that church.  Now I said that includes the pastor.  Now the reason why they are there then according to the statistics is because of business and professional reasons, the preservation of reputation and for references and so forth and so on.  Now have I come in clear to you?  Now when you take that percentage of it which they say is approximately 50% of the total that is left after you deduct the 90, after you deduct, deduct from the 195 million, after you deduct the 66 million a half of what’s left they are the people that represents the people that you know have some faith and some confidence in God.  Now have I got the picture before you.

     Now I want to talk about it on a universal scale.  Whereas your statistics will come to nought where you cannot calculate.  Your adding machine be it whatsoever brand it might be is inadequate and insufficient to enumerate the total of which I’m fixin’ to tell you about now, that are not half way saved, but are lost.  Now that’s not my say, I’m gonna prove it to you too and I intend to prove it by the Bible.  Now I hope and trust to give you enough information before I leave here, genuine, authentic information that even if you was contrary you can’t dispute it.  Be as stubborn as you want to but you can’t, you can’t refute it.  Now that’s what you’re gonna have to have survive this day.  That’s what you’re going to have to have to elevate you to the position where you can stand, stand alone, even though people are falling from every which way.

     Last week you heard the Indian stand here in this pulpit and say that the indians whom they have forced in some cases, most cases, to join some church, protestant or catholic.  They are walking out by the thousands.  You hear that man stand right there and say that.

     Now I said, get this thing back before you good.  I’m talking about them that are lost.  I’m trying to give you, I’m going to give you a number, approximate, when I say approximate I mean they’re just innumerable.  There’s no way to number ’em at all.  There’s not going to be no statistic filed on this, in other words.  Now I want you, in order for us to get some idea of this number.  God told Abraham, 12th chapter of Revelation, God told Abraham that He would multiply his seed as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven.  And I think everybody sitting under the sound of my voice is not stupid enough, you haven’t got that stupid and remained out of Camarillo [1] to take an adding machine and go down to the sea shore and start to try to number the sand of the sea or to number the stars in heaven, the solar system.  Now there’s nobody here that stupid to try that.  I’m sure of that, even if you were fresh out of Camarillo.  That’s right.  And I didn’t just say that to try to be funny either.

     Now we have here in the 12th chapter of Revelation.  Read it please.

Reader:  And there appeared a great wonder in heaven;

Dr. Kinley:  and there appeared a great wonder in heaven

Reader:  a woman clothed with the sun,

Dr. Kinley:  a woman clothed with the sun

Reader:  and the moon under her feet,

Dr. Kinley:  and the moon under her feet.  John is talking about his vision while his was on the Isle of Patmos.  And he is saying there appeared a wonder in heaven.  A woman clothed in the sun and the moon under her feet.

Reader:  and upon her head

Dr. Kinley:  and upon her head

Reader:  a crown of 12 stars:

Dr. Kinley:  a crown of 12 stars

Reader:  And she being with child cried,

Dr. Kinley:  and she being with child cried

Reader:  travailing in birth,

Dr. Kinley:  travailing in birth

Reader:  and pained to be delivered.

Dr. Kinley:  and pained to be delivered

Reader:  And there appeared another wonder in heaven;

Dr. Kinley:  and there appeared another wonder in heaven (listen) another wonder.  Another wonder in heaven

Reader:  and behold a great red dragon,

Dr. Kinley:  Now look, let’s get it straight.  This man is looking at a vision.  And now look, I want you to understand this.  You heard me a while ago move everything out of category of prophet with God.  Now John is out there on the Isle of Patmos.  Now you listen carefully because these words or all of the words that I’m gonna use tonight are carefully chosen and you certainly will have to listen in order to be benefitted.  Now John is out on the Isle of Patmos.  He is not making a prophecy.  He was told, when he went out, was out there on the Isle of Patmos, (listen) he was told to write down (listen now) what he heard and what he saw in a book.  Now what must I do with it, the book, after I have gotten it written.  Send it unto the 12, huh?

Audience:  7

Dr. Kinley:  the 7 churches

Audience:  which are in Asia

Dr. Kinley:  which are in Asia, now that was a divine instruction for that man to write down what he saw and what he heard, not what he imagined, and send it unto the 7 churches which are in Asia.  Now you listen at me, right here on this point.  At this time, at this time AD 96 or 96 years after the birth of Messiah.  Now that’s not too far fetched, not too many years.  Is that right?  Now you write down and send it to them. 

     Now here’s what I want to point out and here’s what we’re gonna get all careful and particular about.  At that time He told him to send it to the 7 churches which are in Asia.  Listen closely at this quote, this same man said in his epistle:  that what he saw in the vision while he was out on Patmos, at that, at the time he said many false prophets have already gone out in the world.  Now listen, don’t, don’t confuse these words.  He didn’t say they were going out, he said they have already gone.  G O N E, gone.  Now they were gone before he saw the vision.  Now look, listen, the apostle Paul talking about the self same thing said the Mystery of Iniquity doth already work only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way.  Now I have to requote that and put this he, who he is, in that book.  Only he who now let, let, which is this man John,  that’s the man.  Only he who will let until he be taken out of the way.  And then when he be taken out of the way then shall that wicked be revealed, the Son of Perdition who opposes and exalts himself above all that is wicked and all that is called God so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing Himself that he is God.  Now that’s the 2nd chapter of 2nd Thessalonians.  I will be, be back to that.  Don’t forget it. 

     Now here’s what I want to show you there.  The Mystery of Iniquity was working, this is Paul talking this trip right along in apostolic days, right along with them.  Now let me clarify and show you why I spoke it that way.  I said that John on the Isle of Patmos he was told, he was directed to write what he saw and heard in a vision and send it to the 7 churches which are in Asia.  You have them named in the 2nd chapter of Revelation:  Ephesus, Philadelphia, Pergamos and so forth, the 7 of ’em.  Now look right up here at me.  Now this same devil that deceived them people back there.  The same ones that was working in the apostolic days, said this, said Dominican, which is the Roman Emperor, banished John to the Isle of Patmos.  And while this man John is still living, that was hindering the man of sin from being revealed while he’s still living.  Now you have to follow me and I have to be very careful with my words.  It is the claim of the Roman Catholic Church that after the decease of Peter, so they say, in 67, they said that Peter was the first pope, said Peter was the first pope and the next pope after Peter was who?

Audience:  Linus

Dr. Kinley:  Linus.  Peter goes out in 67.  This is in 96 here, when John received the revelation on the Isle of Patmos.  Now Peter went out in 96, 67 and John was still living and them people, Roman Catholics, that numerate around 61 according to their records 550 million adherence to that religion, now that’s before the convening of the Ecumenical Council in ’62.  Are you listening now?  Are you prepared for the jolt?  Now John was told to send his message to the 7 churches which was Asia.  Peter whom they claim was the first pope went out in 67.  And they say that nothing is genuine Roman Catholic, including the Bible, is acceptable and genuine with them unless it is imprimatured.  Now you know what a imprimatur and censor is?  It means this:  that no writing from nowhere can go out and circulate in the public, in America or out of it, or anywhere in the world, unless it is signed by a Catholic authority, censored first and then imprimatured by bishops of the church.  You heard me, even the Roman Catholic Bible or a interpretation of the Roman Catholic Bible.  Now, then when Peter died, so they say, at the hands of Nero, Claudius Nero Caesar, this man here, John, who was living out.., he couldn’t be the next pope, so they say, because his bishopric was not universal but it was limited to Asia.  Are you listening?  Now if Peter set up down in Rome from the time he received the Holy Spirit and evangelized some around there in Canaan’s Land, set up the Holy See, so they say, at Antioch, and abode there in Antioch for a short while and AD 41 Peter moves out of Antioch and goes to Rome and sets up the Holy See in Rome and set there and ruled the world from that seat which he was appointed to occupy (that’s a lie too) the chair that Christ gave him to occupy.  He set there from AD 41, Peter did, down to 67, a total period of time of 25, between 25 and 26 years, you that can count, count.  Now listen at me, then he’s wiped out and now John can’t be the next successor to occupy the chair.  He can’t be because of the limited geographical scope of his area of operation.  Listen, Messiah told them, all of them about it, go ye therefore into all of the world, geographically and chronologically.  What did I have to say that for?  All through these 2000 years, this, that, (the world means age) all this age, 2000 years of it or in other words until he is revealed from heaven:  that’s the scope of your operations, all of them apostles.  Now (see through what I’m talking about) now John was not after Peter had passed on. Linus follows Peter.  Anticleus follows Linus.  And who else?

Audience:  Clement

Dr. Kinley:  Clement follows Anticleus.  Now who follows him?  Who followed him?  Well you got Linus, Anticleus, Clement.  I’ll fix it.

Audience:  That takes you through 99


Dr. Kinley:  That takes me through 99.  Now here’s what, here’s what I’m pointing out.  Now when John wrote his epistle or seen his revelation, he was told to send it to the 7 churches which is in Asia, He did not say send it to Rome and have it censored and imprimatured.  Now do you understand what I’m talking about?  I’m saying that what John wrote down He didn’t tell him to send it to Rome to, to the man that’s occupying Peter’s chair to have it imprimatured or approved before it can be preached out in all the world.  He didn’t tell him to send it there.  And yet these people set right up in the Roman Catholic Church and nutty enough and stupid enough, no you can’t dodge it, get it, to think that every thing has to be imprimatured by officials of the Roman Catholic Church before it can be preached to you and it, if doesn’t bear that censorship and that imprimaturship.  That devil stands right there in that.., stand right there, that lying devil stands right there.  You look at him straight in the face and some of you don’t even need glasses to see across the building, look him straight in the face and you’re not able to detect that he is a liar and he is a deceiver.  You get it now?  Now look, listen, now that drives me back in the Book, you recall that I told you, summarizing now, summarizing now, and I’m, I’m apt to bringing you down to today, this day.  Now you remember I told you that they that are lost, I didn’t say saved I did say lost.  They could not be numerated on nobody’s calculating machine.  Now I want you to go back in the Bible and then as I clarify and bring you up from what is written in this Book that this, this man was authorized to write what he saw and heard in his vision and send it to the 12

Audience:  7

Dr. Kinley:  the, the 7 churches in Asia, it wasn’t.., not to the Vatican to be imprimatured, not to Anticleus, Linus or none of the rest of ’em for no imprimatur.  Don’t.., it don’t need nobody’s signature and endorsement on it.  Is it clear?  That’s clear?  That man said that he saw another wonder in heaven.  Now he’s writing in the Book what he saw.  And he said.., now he saw another wonder in heaven.  Alright read it from there.

Reader:  A great red dragon,

Dr. Kinley:  A great red dragon

Reader:  having 7 heads and 10 horns,

Dr. Kinley:  having 7 heads and 10 horns

Reader:  and 7 crowns upon his heads.

Dr. Kinley:  and 7 crowns upon his heads

Reader:  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,

Dr. Kinley:  his tail drew the third part of the stars from heaven.  Now listen, I’m not gonna allow you to set there and be stupid.  You heard his tail drew the third part of the stars from heaven.  Now would you try to get some kinda up to date calculating machine and try to numerate the 3rd part of the stars from heaven.  Nobody here that stupid.  Right?

Audience:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Anymore so than you would go out there and try to scoop up a 3rd part of the sands of the sea.  Now his tail drew the 3rd part of the stars from heaven.  That means this:  that that old dragon which is called the devil (we’re gonna read that down there in the 9th verse) his tail drew the 3rd part of the stars.  Now the dragon and those fallen stars, they represent the fallen angels or those demons, or those demons.  Get it?  Are we clear up so far?  And you couldn’t enumerate, they’re incountable.  If you were gonna say that it was the Roman Catholic Church with their extensive, numerical Church enrollment of 550 million, that won’t touch it (you get it?) that are lost.  That won’t even touch it if you put all of the Roman Catholics in there and all of the Protestants it will not, still won’t touch it.  I’m after getting the picture before you clear.  Now have I proved thus far that it’s impossible to number.  Have I proved it to your satisfaction?  Alright read on.

Reader:  and didst cast them to the earth:

Dr. Kinley:  and didst cast them to the earth

Reader:  and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,

Dr. Kinley:  and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered

Reader:  for to devour her child as soon as it

Dr. Kinley:  for to devour her child as soon as it was born.  Now I don’t.., I would begin to interpret the thing right on down but I don’t have time.  It isn’t because I can’t, but I don’t, I don’t have time but I’ll be, I’ll be back over here and when I do get back you’ll be almost in a position where you can interpret yourself.  Alright read.

Reader:  and she brought forth the man child,

Dr. Kinley:  Alright, read on.

Reader:  who, was to rule all the nations with the rod of iron:

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.

Reader:  and her child was caught up

Dr. Kinley:  um hum

Reader:  to God,

Dr. Kinley:  um hum

Reader:  and to his throne.

Dr. Kinley:  um hum

Reader:  And the woman fled into the wilderness,

Dr. Kinley:  Read.

Reader:  where she had the place prepared of God,

Dr. Kinley:  um hum

Reader:  that they should feed her there a thousand, 2 thousand and 3 score days.

Dr. Kinley:  Hum.  Huh?

Reader:  a thousand, 2 thou, a thousand, 2 hundred and 3 score days.

Dr. Kinley:  You can’t, there ain’t need of you misreading nothing to me, you might just as well read it like it is the first time.  I know what’s.., I could quote it without you reading it if I wanted to.  I’m not.., you’re not reading for my benefit.  I know what’s in that Book and I mean from scratch to scratch and you and the mistranslations and interpolations, they don’t fool me none.  Did you get it?  Alright read on.

Reader:  And there was war in heaven:

Dr. Kinley:  And there was war in heaven

Reader:  Michael and his angels

Dr. Kinley:  Michael and his angels

Reader:  fought against the dragon;

Dr. Kinley:  Now look.  Let me, let me stop right here and, and shoot something in here right quick.  Now look, there was war in heaven.  Now here, since there was war, I said war in heaven.  Michael and his angels fought and that dragon was cast out, cast out into the earth.  Now are you so stupid that you can’t see if there was a war in heaven when he was there and if he’s cast out down on the earth plane and incarnated in the hearts of men, can’t you see that there’s just, there’s no escape from it, there’s just simply got to be war on earth.  Now that’s why the Messiah said and I been telling you to take your Bibles and look at the 24th chapter of Matthew, the 21st chapter of Luke and the 13th chapter of Mark and there you will see that He said there shall be wars and rumors of wars.  He said many, not a few, you pay attention to what you’re reading,  many false prophets shall go out into the world and many, not a few, shall be deceived.  Now here we are.  And it’s looked upon as a masterpiece of oratorical presentation and appealed to the United Nations and when we say United Nations, we’re talking about the nations all over every which way congregated up there in New York.  By Pope Paul the 6th and in his message to the UN, he said there must be no more war.  Right?

Audience:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Oh that was a masterpiece that he had written.  Messiah said there shall be wars, he said there must be no more wars.  You understand?  Get it now?  Pope John the 23rd wrote his masterpiece, the encyclical “Peace on Earth” and good will to all men, all men, a masterpiece.  And he didn’t even.., he didn’t.., he got using words, he didn’t know what he’s talking about.  Now that’s what the angels sung out there and said peace on earth.  Right?  Listen careful, don’t you get fooled.  Messiah that was born in Bethlehem of Judea that’s what those angels were talking about when they said peace on earth.  He, Messiah, is our peace on earth.  And if you don’t have Him you don’t have no peace on earth.  Are you listening?  Now here’s what peace on earth said or what the Messiah said, He said, `I did not come to bring peace but a sword.’  You see the point?  I’m just showing you how all of these twisting up and misrepresenting by these devils saying there must not be no peace.  I’m trying to show you who these devils are and why they were cast out of heaven, cast down on earth and they’re down here with their drastic, dramatic, extemporaneous and written appeals before the nations of the earth talking about there must be no more war; and that’s what peace on earth come for was to bring war.  Said there will be there must be, war on earth and there was war in heaven.  As long as he was there there was war in heaven and as long as he’s permitted to remain on earth or until the revelation of the Messiah from heaven there’s gonna be war on earth.  United Nations, Pope Paul, Lyndon B Johnson, Chaw En Lai, in the Moscow ___ said there will be, there must war on earth and there was war in heaven.  As long as he’s there there was war in heaven and as long as he’s permitted to remain on earth or until the revelation of the Messiah from heaven there shall be war on earth. 


Dr. Kinley:  and when that emperor was killed, you know who I’m talking about?  What his name?  ___ He was a Roman Catholic in South Vietnam.  And the acclamation was this we have a right to be in Vietnam because Yahshua the Messiah, they call him Jesus Christ, send us to go in all the world to preach the gospel and after our obedience to the Messiah it’s not an in.., un, unjustifiable invasion and so therefore we have a right to be in Vietnam and we’re not gonna be purged or driven out.  Vietnam, South Vietnam was mixed up with Communist and Buddhist and for the most part Buddhist, that is the Buddhist religion…  You heard me, you’re not blind.  Now how in the world are you going to settle anything in Vietnam with the Roman Catholics in there fighting with the Buddhist and fighting with the Communists.  They claim they have a right to be there, the Catholics do.  The Buddhists say we have a right to be here, it’s our land.  The Communists which are also Chinese that have turned to the communist party, they say we have a right to be here.  They say to you, United States of America, North Vietnam said the only prospect or possibility of any peace negotiation being taken into consideration is you withdraw your troops.  ___ ___ on earth.  South Vietnam and if you can’t do that we don’t wanna come to no peace table, we wanna, don’t wanna hear nothing about it, we’re not interested in peace talks, we’re not gonna withdraw our troops we’re taking our troops back in their peace and say we’re not gonna withdraw our troops, unless North Vietnam which is communist go on in there and invade and take over South Vietnam.  We won’t do it.  Now you explain to me.  `These are our peoples, these are chinese, you are meddling in a family affair.’  A domestic brawl.  Have to put the thing down like it is.  Now I’m after it from a biblical point of view.  Get the point?  I’m showing you the impossibility of it.  We’re not gonna withdraw our troops so we say cause we’re not gonna let you invade it, we’re gonna keep you from doing that.  And they say, `well,we don’t need.,’ you don’t have no ___ cause what you have to do, the conditions on, on which that we’ll talk peace with you is when you withdraw.  Now look how stupid we are.  I just wanna show you how stupid we are.  Somebody said, `well, God forbid that you talk about our government like that.’  Now my Book don’t read like that, my Book bids me to talk about it like this.  Our Book.  Now here’s why.  If you read Isaiah 9:6 it, it says there.  Better read it and let it get recorded.  Hurry up quick.

Reader:  For unto us

Dr. Kinley:  For unto us

Reader:  a child is born,

Dr. Kinley:  a child is born

Reader:  unto us a son is given,

Dr. Kinley:  unto us a son is given

Reader:  and the government

Dr. Kinley:  and the government

Reader:  shall be upon his shoulders.

Dr. Kinley:  shall be upon

Reader:  his shoulders

Dr. Kinley:  his shoulders.  Now if the government and the rule of the world is gonna be upon his shoulders don’t you stand in my face and tell me that I’m not justified in talking about it being upon somebody else’s shoulders, the government of the world.  And for your information there isn’t anything going on, there isn’t anything going on but what pleases the Lord. 

Audience:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  And if it displeased Him it wouldn’t be.

Audience:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s the reason why it’s going on because the government’s upon his shoulders, it’s not on Lyndon B. Johnson’s, it’s not on the man’s shoulders of North Vietnam, it’s not on Moscow, it’s not on Bei Jing, the government is not.  It’s on His shoulders.  On whose shoulders?  His shoulders, Yahshua the Messiah, whom you call Jesus Christ, the government’s upon His shoulders.  Are you listening?  Now since the government is upon His shoulders and I don’t know whether you forgot or lost even the continuity of thought, I told you that the end was declared from the beginning and He said He’d work all things after the counsel of His own will.  You got it there in your Book.  Suppose you read that.  There isn’t anything happening in North Vietnam or South Vietnam nor any where else in the world contrary to His purpose, he’s gonna bring it to pass.  Alright read.

Reader:  Remember the former things of old

Dr. Kinley:  Remember the former things of old

Reader:  for I am God.

Dr. Kinley:  Clear on back into the be.., for I am God

Reader:  And there is none else.

Dr. Kinley:  Now there is none else.

Reader:  I am God

Dr. Kinley:  I am God

Reader:  and there is none like me

Dr. Kinley:  There’s none like me.  All of ’em put together, there is none like me, not none like us, none like me.  Now what else about that?

Reader:  Declaring the end

Dr. Kinley:  see, declaring the end

Reader:  from the beginning

Dr. Kinley:  from the beginning

Reader:  and from ancient times

Dr. Kinley:  and from ancient times

Reader:  the things that are not yet done

Dr. Kinley:  the things that are not yet done

Reader:  saying my counsel shall stand

Dr. Kinley:  saying my counsel

Reader:  shall stand

Dr. Kinley:  shall stand

Reader:  and I will do all my pleasure

Dr. Kinley:  I will do all of my pleasure and the UN, the Congress of the United States of America or the ruling powers in Moscow, Bei Jing, Canada, and England shall not obstruct or hinder Me from doing all of My good pleasure, they can’t help it.  I will do it and I will bring it to pass.  What are you talking about?  I’m talking about that the Messiah said there shall be wars and nobody can ___ ___ ___.  See that now?  Careful, careful, careful.  5th chapter of 1st Thessalonians.  Now you talk about peace negotiations.  We’re talking about war and peace.  Right?

Audience:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Alright read.

Reader:  For when they shall say peace and safety

Dr. Kinley:  Now or when they shall say peace and safety then what happens?

Reader:  then sudden destruction

Dr. Kinley:  then sudden destruction

Reader:  cometh upon them

Dr. Kinley:  cometh upon them

Reader:  as travails upon a woman with child

Dr. Kinley:  as travails upon a woman with child.  What are you…

Reader:  and they shall not escape

Dr. Kinley:  and they shall not escape.  Now go to.., I don’t know what you’re reading now, get the 1st verse.

Reader:  But of the times and the seasons

Dr. Kinley:  But of the.., now look, look so you won’t make this mess no more cause these devils is telling you that Messiah shall descend from heaven and His feet shall stand on Mt. Olives and the earth shall cleave asunder and then He will set down on the earth and rule and the saints will rule with him, 1000 years, that’s called a millennium.  Now if you go back where they got that idea, them devils and distorted it, up in the 4th chapter, the 4th chapter and the 16th verse, it says this.  I, I got to hasten on now, I’ve got to hasten on, for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of a archangel and the trump of God.  Pick me on up.  Read it.

Reader:  and the dead in Christ shall rise first

Dr. Kinley:  and the dead in Christ shall rise first.  Read.

Reader:  Then we which are alive.

Dr. Kinley:  Then we which are alive

Reader:  and remain shall be

Dr. Kinley:  and remain shall be caught up together

Reader:  with them in the clouds

Dr. Kinley:  with them in the clouds

Reader:  to meet the Lord in the air

Dr. Kinley:  to meet the Lord in the air

Reader:  and so shall we ever be together

Dr. Kinley:  and so shall we ever be with Him.  Right? 

Audience:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Read on.

Reader:  wherefore

Dr. Kinley:  wherefore or for this reason or on this account

Reader:  comfort one another with the words

Dr. Kinley:  comfort one another with these words.  Read on.

Reader:  for of the times and the seasons

Dr. Kinley:  for of the times and the seasons, Freddie. 

Reader:  you have no need

Dr. Kinley:  You don’t have no need for me to write unto you.  Now you’re setting around reading the newspaper, loafing around, wasting your time, being deceived, hearing ’em say, peace, peace, peace, Johnson and everybody else, talking about peace, peace, peace.  Now if peace comes then sudden destruction.  You ought, you’re knees oughta be knocking together tonight, just pray the war will get over it.  You catch it?  Did you catch what I’m talking to you about?

Audience:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  They wouldn’t be talking about peace if they believed the record.  Everybody in here ain’t trying to get you some peace, peace, peace.  They don’t want war.  Wars, wars, peace, peace, peace and while they’re running around deceiving you with that and you hoping that peace shall come.  You’re justified in it and I certainly do endorse it, if you was only aware of what is to follow in the events.  Now that’s what I’m complaining about.  See it now?  Now I have to get back in on the spiritual side now.  Now we’ve ruled out atomic bombs.  We have a document signed to that affect that we will not use nuclear weapons in this war, we’ll use incendiary bombs.  We’ll use bayonets, machine guns to repel and to retard the approaches and the advances of the Vietnams.  Am I.., you.., do, do you see it clearly?  That’s what we will use, we ruled out atomic bombs.  Now those weapons that they are using in hoping and Christmas is coming too so they think and they’ll want a cease fire during this yuletide seasons which strengths the negotiations, they did have some last year, cease fire, at least not bomb North Vietnam.  Get it?  Now listen folks the weapons of their warfare, they are carnal, they will pull triggers, they shoot cannons, blast by force, by fire, annihilate and then stand around and boast we killed more North Vietnamese today and had more casualties today than we have in any time during the war.  That’s the kind of a cry we get but our casualties are hugh.  And I’m asking you is that right? 

Audience:  Right.  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now here is the Apostle Paul.  Now that’s them devils in the flesh there that’s pulling them triggers and up there in the government pulling them triggers, that’s them devils that’s standing in the pulpit telling you to die to defend their rights to be there, and to destroy those souls with their destructive doctrine, I’m talking about the deceptive Roman Catholic priests and when the thing got real big here not too long ago a Roman Catholic priest stepped out and said, `unless you Buddhists stop advocating and siding in with the communists I will call troops in myself unless you stop it.’  Was that in the paper?

Audience:  Right.  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  I will get the paper and read it to you.  Now that’s the priests, that’s the weapons that he’s talking about, that’s the weapons that he expects to defend his right to be in there to preach an erroneous doctrine which is destroying more souls than you’ll shoot down with a machine gun or even blast out with an atomic bomb.  You understand what I’m talking about?  Now here’s Paul talking about that, he said the weapons of our warfare, the genuine soldiers in the salvation army and I’m not talking about the Salvation Army out here, I’m talking about the real salvation army, the angelic reapers, the ones that God has sent and like the apostles, he is saying, `Oh God, help me to get this people to see,’ he is saying the weapons of our warfare, they are not carnal but they are mighty through God to the pulling down of every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing every thought to the obedience of Christ or Messiah.  Our weapons, their’s is carnal, our’s is not carnal, their’s is natural, our’s is spiritual. 


Dr. Kinley:  Listen now, listen folks, we wrestle not, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood.  Well if you are not wrestling against flesh and blood but what we are wrestling against is against principalities and powers (listen) and spiritual wickedness in high places, the devil in the Vatican, these people around in the churches that I told you about that’s deceiving the millions of people.  Our battle, our weapons, we’re fightin’, we’ll fight against them.  Now that’s who we’re fighting against.  We’re not fighting against flesh and blood. 

     And people nowadays.., you can see I’m a negro.  People walk around, some of them come in the door and say, `I wonder if this is some parts of a civil rights movement.’  And we’ve had ’em to come in here and say `I don’t know I bet they.., some of them is communists.’  Communist stick, it done got all up in the government and everything.  `And I bet you some of them negroes in there and them people in there are communists.’  Talking about this group here.  And then somebody got the nerve to walk and say, `are you a Catholic, Roman Catholic?’  And then another stupe, he’ll come along and he’ll say, `are you a protestant?’  I wanna answer those questions for you.  Listen.  I am not a Roman Catholic, I am not a Protestant, I am not a communist, I am not a Christian, I’m none of that.  I’m answering your question.  And if you are, you’re wrong.  Anything I say.  It’s not Christian, Christian is just as bad as Catholic, it’s just as bad as communist.  I’m making it clear to you and I’m showing you how the devil’s deceived so many millions of people.  He said, `well then, they first begin to be called Christians at Antioch.’  No sir.  I can read the Bible, I know that’s what you got in that Book but that, they wasn’t called that.  They say Peter said in Acts 4:12, said, `there’s no other name given under heaven whereby men can be saved, saving the name of Jesus Christ.’  Now Peter did not say that.  Now you cannot be saved under the name Jesus Christ, for that is not his name.  Jesus Christ or Justus Kristus is a…  Listen at me, then you’ll see why I said I was not a Christian.  Justus Kristus is a Hindu idol, sun God, a Greek sun god, now that’s who Jesus Christ is.  Now look you, don’t you start sassing me.  His name is Yahshua the Messiah not Jesus Christ and there’s no other name given under heaven whereby man can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the Messiah.  Now did I get it over clear to you?

Audience:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  And Jesus Christ was not in your Bible to begin with.  Paul, Peter, none of ’em and there has been no Jesus Christ walking around on earth, Jesus Christ was not born in Bethlehem of Judea.  Now you see that?  I’m here to tell you the truth.  I’ll, I’ll be done very shortly.  But now are you interested?

Audience:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, I’ve got to go back to my text, the train of thought.  Now we just got through talking about the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night (listen carefully now), talking about peace and when they say peace and safety come sudden destruction.  Now you pay strict attention cause I may talk fast.  You know how I am when I get wound up.  I feel a winding up coming. 

Audience:  (LAUGHS)

Dr. Kinley:  Now that day of the Lord and that peace that they’re negotiating about.  That day of the Lord will come as a thief, I didn’t say night, said Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, and while you’re all deceived with all these old erroneous, hypocritical, satanic doctrines.  Babylon done fell.  Roman Catholicism is, is just as flat as it can be.  They have admitted right straight, it’s in the newspaper folks.  Babylon has fallen.  They have admitted that they was wrong.

Pope John said this, he said, and it’s a famous saying now.  What did he wanna call the Ecumenical Council in the first place?  If the church was right, why do you call a, a council?  And this is what he said.  Said he was gonna raise the windows, let some fresh air in.  Right?  In the 17th chapter of Revelation, and the 18th chapter of Revelation, John said out on the Isle of Patmos, he saw the angel of the Lord flying through the midst of heaven crying with a loud voice, Babylon is fallen, is fallen.  Listen now.  Talking about this open admission, he’s setting and listening right at it.  And that voice was crying, Babylon is fallen, come out of her my people, come out of her my people.  Why for?  Because that you receive not of her plagues (listen) for she has become the cage of every foul, (that’s a profuse, odoriferous smell) she has become the cage of every foul and unclean spirit.  And Pope John said, admitted, `I’m gonna raise the windows and let some air in.’ 

Audience:  (LAUGHS)  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Babylon means confusion and they’re confused.  Now look, now you, you understand that now, don’t you.  She’s, she’s, she’s fallen.  Now look she’s come to nought within 1 hour.  Dr. Gross, the president, is recording.  An hour is 40 years.[2]  Roger can you put this on, on this board.  Now what I’m after is, up to is, is 6000 years.  I’m up to 6000.[3]  Now it can’t be 40 years from there.  You know what I mean?  40, now that’s 1 hour.  Bishop I’m telling you:  when you correctly apply that, that Babylon or confusion is fallen within 1 hour or within this last 40 years, it isn’t but 30 more years from here to AD 2000, not 40.  10 years of it is already gone, 10 years of it is already gone.  And when.., so now, Babylon, she’ll have to fall.  You’ll never get to the.., AD 2000[4]  because this dispensation back there, (Dr. Harris put it on the board, it’s already there) was 1656 years, that’s the antediluvian age, that, that age was 1656 years, that’s to the flood, from Eden to the flood.  And from the flood to the cross that’s 2381 (you got it right on the board.)  And from the cross down to here where we are now is 1933 years.  Now anybody can add that up, see a 6th grade scholar.  Now then it said.  This one’s a short age here.  This one, an age is approximately 2000 years long. That’s the approximate size of an age and them 3 ages would be 2000 a piece, would make 6000.[5]  Now this was a short age here, this one is a long one here and that’s why the messiah said, where I told you to read at, I don’t know how many times, except those days be shortened there wouldn’t be no flesh saved. Here’s this angel that’s flying through the midst of heaven crying with a loud voice:  Babylon is fallen and she’s fell within 1 hour.  You’ve seen the Ecumenical Council convene.  You know they admitted that they was wrong.  And Protestants at the International Council of Churches, they admitted that they was wrong.  Now Babylon is fallen folks, you can’t get around it.  Don’t say I’m bringing accusations against ’em, they’re saying so theirself and you can’t, you haven’t got but 30 more years anyway you fix it.  And He said now unless this age, should be shortened, physically shortened.  This was a long.  This one that you’re living in now, it’s got to be a short one.

     Now listen now, we’ve talked about war and we’ve talked about peace.  You read out of the first epistle of Paul and you, we begin with the 16th verse and we said the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of an archangel or with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first.  Now the people are looking at that as way down yonder.  They don’t know where it is.  Some of ’em looking down there and others don’t know where to look, just deceived and fooled by it and going on.  Now when Paul wrote that epistle, that first epistle to the Thessalonians, and told ’em that the day of the Lord, that’s in the 5th chapter, just don’t pay no attention to them divisions in them chapters and get all messed up like they been doing.  Read right on into the 6th or right on out of the 4th and into the 5th.  He said the dead in Christ shall rise first.  Now, now somebody thought he’s talking about knocking over the tombstones and all of that, but you must be resurrected right where you’re setting there in your seat, spiritually so.  You’re the grave in which your inner man is dead.  Paul said she that liveth in pleasure is dead yet while she lives.  You’re dead yourself, that’s what’s wrong.  This grave, this body, this grave that you’re in.  Paul talking to the Ephesians said you hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses of sin.  You’re the fella and when you get the Holy Spirit then you are resurrected, that’s what the resurrection is.  That’s going on now.  They expect Him to jump down out of a cloud someplace.  You and your carnal mind, that’s what the devil out there is telling you.  Now when Paul wrote that epistle to the Thessalonians, and we got on down in the end of the 4th instead of ’em reading on into the 5th and begin with the first verse of the 5th, they didn’t do that.  So then they at that there, at that day in time they was looking for Him to jump out of the sky.  The 7th Day Adventist, yes I’m gonna talk about it, I’m going to talk about it all I please and there ain’t nothing you can do about it either and if you don’t like it, I’m gonna tell you any how.

Audience:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  They was looking for him to come in 1844, they miscalculated 2300 Daniel, days of Daniel and 1844 they was expecting and they done sold their properties and they did everything and wait out on the housetops and the roofs and all and wait they expected to see Him to jump through the clouds at any time and taking that the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of an archangel and with the trump of God and they calculated the 2300 days or 2000 300 years from BC 457 and end up in 1844 (ain’t that right).  There’s Dr. Harris has got it right there on the board.

     And now here’s Jehovah’s Witnesses they come along and they miscalculate a prophecy and them devils I’m talking about in the church going around deceiving the people and got all this unrest on earth, wars and pestilence and famines and these hypocrites in these churches and these false prophets in these churches talking about we’re preaching the Word of God and we’re this and we’re that and the other and you can’t tell ’em nothing and millions upon thousands of millions Roman Catholics and Protestants been deceived.  Now here’s the Jehovah’s Witnesses they said they was calculating a, a period 7 times that God said He would punish Israel in her own land and 7 times that and figure it out in prophetic time, I don’t have time to go into all of that and show you by the Book what I’m talking about.  And they said it reached from 606 that’s when the time of the Gentiles begin was 606 BC when Jerusalem was carried captive into Babylon said that’s when the times of the Gentiles begin and they said 7 times from there would make 25 and 20 years.  And when you figure 2520 years from 606 then you’ll land in 1914.  And they’re walking around telling that Christ or Yahshua the Messiah come in 1914 in the fulfillment of that prophecy and they miscalculated so they’re, they’re out there prognosticating or false prophets.  And here, here’s what they’re.., ask Dennis, here when the Messiah didn’t jump down out of the clouds in 1844 as they’d expected that He would, then they turned right around and did just like them devils did back yonder as Jesus, when they crucified him and he’s.., and Paul said He was the Son of God and therefore when they hang out there on the cross and after He was crucified even the soldier that pierced Him in the side when the earthquake come and God shook the earth there and Peter sitting down and a mighty wind and the men that crucified Him out there on the cross said `truly, oh truly that was the Son of God, just like they said.’  And now what I’m talking and what I’m trying to get you to see, now nothing like that happened in 1914 and just as them hypocrites standing up there in the pulpit and tell you that Christ is coming in 1914 and and them other hypocrites back yonder and they.., when He didn’t come in 19, 1844 they said this, just like the, the Jews said, said, `we made a mistake.’  They had to admit because He didn’t come and said, `we’ve miscalculated the prophets and instead of Him coming back to the earth He was just ascending on into the Most Holy Place or He was just going on into heaven sit down on the throne,’ just Him going in at that time.  And here we’re told that when God resurrected Him from the dead said Paul and Peter and all the rest of ’em said, `He’s exalted on above every name that is named, above all principalities and powers, resurrected and He ascended on through the vail which is heaven itself and set down then at the right hand of God.’  That wasn’t in 1844 and they tried to patch it up and said that instead of Him coming back in 1944 they done lied and made a mess out of it and now they’re patching it up just like them Jews did when they put Him to death back there on the cross.  And there God proved it by Himself.  Now when He come out of the grave there was another great earthquake cause He’s risen from the dead. 

     Now here comes the 2nd error.  And now after He gets out of that tomb and He goes on up to Jerusalem and He appears to the apostles up there.  John said the ___ then I won’t be ___ you’re always telling me about, `I don’t think you’re right, I just don’t believe that until I see it for myself.’  We’re behind closed doors now.  And here He comes standing right there in the midst and you tell me how He got in there or behind closed doors.  You can explain to me how He got out of the tomb and here He is.  And He said reach hither your finger and touch.  And Philip seen it, me myself that is to have said He just had a sudden appearance and instead of reaching with his finger and put it in the old holes where He was crucified and in the palms of His hand.  Isaiah had something for that back there too, said he couldn’t explain why that boy couldn’t believe and He’s telling, told Mary and them down at the tomb said, `don’t touch me because I have not yet ascended to my Father,’ but now He goes up here up there to doubting Thomas up there in Jerusalem and He said, `now you touch me, put forth your hand and touch me.’  I want you to see what you’re talking about.  When Thomas that didn’t believe and there He was there right in their presence behind closed doors up there in the synagogue.  And Thomas.., that’s the reason why He couldn’t believe until that apparition appeared.  That is because a prophecy had to be fulfilled and it says there the government will be upon His shoulders and He shall be called Wonderful, He shall be called Prince of Peace, Prince of Peace, Prince of Peace and He shall be called the mighty God that’s what the prophecy said.  Instead of Thomas putting forth his hand and feeling in the thing, things in the holes, when he turned around and he looked at Him He was just like He was before He died, there with the nail prints in His hand, he didn’t have to reach forth, and the prophecy was fulfilled, Thomas said `My Lord and My God, that’s Him, my Lord and my God, I don’t have to put my fingers on you, I don’t have to put my fingers in the holes and I can see for myself.’  The prophecy’s been fulfilled, `I can’t help myself, I got to see Him for myself.’ 

     And them hypocrites up there in Jerusalem, they couldn’t set down, said, `look boys,’ them soldiers they went on up there and told ’em, said, `look here, Messiah has risen from the dead just like He said.’  They rolled the stone up to the door `because you have said that that deceiver said He would raise from the dead on the 3rd day and now you ___ beginning to go down there and seal up the tomb and make it as safe as you can.’  So they went on down and sealed up the tomb and made it as safe as they could and here, and that mighty angel even down the elements which illuminated in the vision that is how the angel rolled back the stone and they fell as dead men ___ ___ resurrection.  Not only that, Jerusalem was shaking with a mighty earthquake and them boys went on back up to Jerusalem right on back up to the Sanhedrin Council that give them permission and right on back where they they were to seal up the tomb and said, `look here boys, you made a mistake when you put Him on out and now He’s risen from the dead as He said.’  Said, `boy, we don’t want this to get out to the public,’ and they bribed the soldier `to keep your mouth shut about this because if you don’t keep your mouth shut our last state that sealed up that tomb will be worse than the first.’  You understand what I’m talking about? 

     Alright now it was.., said to ’em to put to death in the body that was out there, preaching erroneous doctrine and here they done bribed the apostle Paul give him to duty and make him feel like a big shot out there out there.  Here he is out there on the way to Damascus and he wrote and told ’em too, said, `I barely thought within myself that I hope to do many things, I’m ___ ___ ___ the name of Yahshua the Messiah.’  Now there he is, he’s on his horse on down to Damascus.  And there He was, He appeared to him in the highway of Damascus.  And now Paul, he wants to go back up to Jerusalem and tell all of them, the 70 of the Sanhedrin Council, those that killed the Messiah that tried to keep it from getting out.  `I wanna go back and tell ’em, you’re not making no fool out of me no more, yes, He’s raised from the dead and I’ve seen Him with the my own eyes on the back, I’ve seen Him on the way to Damascus.’  And there in the 7th chapter he said, said, `Lord what will you have me to do.’  The Lord said.., He didn’t tell Paul to go back up to Jerusalem and tell them boys what he’d seen, never told him that.  Said, `what must I do.’ 


Dr. Kinley:  Said, `you keep on, on your journey and go on back to Damascus and down on Straight Street and then into the house and Judas, and Ananias and I’ve got a man coming down, he’ll tell you what to do.’  And when Ananias come on down and entered in and he told Paul what to do.  He was delivering a message from the Messiah.  Listen at me now.  Here he goes, he’s, instead of him going back to Jerusalem ___ `are you going now.’  He said, `I went on down into Arabia.’  `What are you going into Arabia for, why don’t you go on back to Jerusalem and tell them big shots back there, what are you going into Arabia for?’  `I’m going into Arabia because of ___ Mt. Sinai where them, where ___ ___ God and spoke to the children of Israel from Mt. Sinai in Arabia which has become the pillar and the cloud of the truth and it was He that was speaking from the top of the mountain up in Jerusalem above, not Jerusalem beneath, so you go on up into Arabia.  And if you know where to..’ take about the geographical layout on the other side or on this side of Jordan here is where the tabernacle is.  That’s where the, part of the tribes was settled.  He went on in there and he preached to the Jews and for the space of 15 years he never saw Peter and he didn’t go up to see Peter to find out whether he could go preach, he’d already been down there preaching in Arabia. 

     Now what I’m trying to tell you is this:  that boy, he’s found out and he told Timothy, said, `look here,’  and he told not only Timothy, he told King Herod Agrippa, he told Peter, Festus and Agrippa, that’s king, priest and.., the king, priest and the governor ___ ___ ___ with a ball and chain when he stood there, said, `I count myself happy O King Agrippa because I’m permitted to speak for myself and I wanna touch all of them things whereof the Jews of, they accuse me and I wish that you was there, I accept this ball and chain but nevertheless I accept the privilege.’  Said, `now look here, I’m touching all things, I count myself happy that I’m permitted, you give me permission to speak for myself in my own defense, to be my own attorney, to be my own case.’  He said, `now listen here O king,’  he said, `this.., that I’m fixing to tell you now,’ said, `all of the Jews, all of them that’s ___, all of ’em in Canaan’s Land, everywhere that the Jew has, here in Canaan’s Land,’ said, `O King,’ said, `all of them know how I persecuted the church of God and put ’em in prison and when Steven was stoned to death, I stood by and held the raiment of them that slew him.’  Said, `O king, all of the Jews, they know this, they know how I have fought and they know what I have done.’ 

     Now when he gets ready to write his letter to his son Timothy, when he found out that he was wrong because those Jews wouldn’t keep the law and he was putting ’em in jail because they was doing the same thing that they was doing out there in the Roman Catholic Church translating of that wine, all of that natural is gone, washing feet, and baptizing and all that kinda thing its all out and here’s the apostle was out there trying to ___ ___ and here Paul thought that they oughta keep it, keep the law of Moses.  He didn’t realize that the law of Moses was ended down at the cross and it was the flesh that’s nailed to the cross, that he was putting them to death because Moses of old time had ___ I’ve discovered by the Holy Ghost being in me and revealing to me what it’s all about, all of the natural is gone and the devil is using them same tricks right now to deceive you in those carnal ordinances, Lord’s supper, foot washings and passovers, the natural thing dragging them over from the other side of the cross denying that the Messiah died, we done put him to death and them carnal ordinances.’  And he told Timothy, his son, said, `look here when I put them boys to death,’ talking to Timothy, his son in the faith, he said, `I’m not hardly fit to be called an apostle cause I persecuted the church of God, but’ he said, `but I did it through ignorance and unbelief, yes,’ he said, `I was an injurious person and a blasphemer but I received mercy because I did it through ignorance and unbelief.’ 

     What they’re doing in telling you to eat them crackers and them grape juice and calling taking the communion cause dragging you around in our understanding with those natural things and the body of Christ or the church is the spiritual body and they using all of them natural things just like they’re using them natural guns and our weapons and we’re fighting spiritual wickedness in high places and Babylon that’s out there has got these people doing all of these natural things and they know there is nothing to it from the pulpit to the door, the pope, the priest, and everybody else, they know that it’s wrong and they.., since they know that it is wrong there’s no comfort, there’s no peace in ’em and they just keep right on the back lot and they keep right on deceiving the souls in these last days was Babylon which is confusion, all that ___. 

     Now here, not only Roman Catholics, done in the Methodist Church, we’ve got down, 2 of ’em down there now that’s saying that God is dead.  They just couldn’t make the grade, the big shots in the church and they said that God is dead.  `I can’t feel nothing’ because they been practicing these things here if you can’t feel you can’t get no feeling from God at all.  They can’t feel the spirit because as the apostle Paul said, `as many as are led by the spirit of God, they are the sons of God,’ not them that’s being deceived standing up here lying about.., eating the crackers and saying the Messiah said in Matthew 26:26 `as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup you will show forth my death and suffering till I, till I come.’  That’s what they say that he said and he said it to his disciples, he said it under the dispensation of the law, and listen I just got through telling you that how He come back from the dead and went right on back up there where they ate the passover right on up there he come ___ ___ even before he ascended and that ended up the thing.  I’m just trying to make it clear.  But now they’re doing this thing, recrucifying, putting him to an open shame around here in these churches and all, and them old wicked spirits deceiving and fooling you.  Do you understand what I’m talking about?

Audience:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  No you ain’t gonna get no Holy Ghost, you can’t stand with it.  Now that’s why there’s so many of ’em.  Now these millions that’s cast out you see in all of these churches from there on down the time up, up, up until the present.  Now the Mystery of Iniquity doth already work. 

     Now remember (I’m closing out now) so be patient and try to understand in the closing.  Now when Paul wrote that to the Thessalonians they expected him to jump down out of the clouds then.  Now that’s 1st Thessalonians when he wrote his 1st epistle to them they didn’t understand, just like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and just like the 7th Day Adventist.  And now since He didn’t come, now He’s ___ and they’ve been expecting Him all along.  Now they got weak kneed.  

     The churches, the indians, they’re just going out by the thousands, the churches, you can find ’em all over this city the big, the people won’t go to church, with 66 m.., remember what I told you, they won’t go to church, they don’t give nothing and all that they’re after in the church they preaching, teaching giving and all the rest of ’em ___ `all they’re after is your money.’  And you set up there and let ’em make a fool out of you, you setting up here drinking some grape juice and crackers, and washing somebody’s feet and dragging you around in the pool behind, and you not getting anything and you’re fool enough, people won’t set in there, you’re deceived, you’re afraid to get up and walk out and deny it and say there ain’t nothing to it.  I’m trying to make the thing real clear to you. 

     And now down here just like they’re calling for peace, peace, peace and there’s no peace but the wicked is just like the sea which cast up dirt and mire and if you want some peace, if that’s what you want, I’m not talking about serving in the thing over yonder in Vietnam, I’m talking about you having peace right in your seat, right where you’re setting so you have Him within your heart because the Messiah is a spirit in your heart, that’s the only thing that’s gonna give you any peace in this wicked world because of wars and the rumors of wars, the fighting and the strife, and Paul said, `he that is born after the flesh persecutes him that is born after the spirit,’ ___ the ___ born after the spirit, he said He judges all things yet He Himself is judged of no man.  I’m standing up here, you can’t tell me of nothing now because of out of my mouth, just as John saw Him while he was on the Isle of Patmos, out of His mouth went sharp 2 edged sword, he’s talking about the words and Paul said, with you.., take the sword with you the sword of the spirit, the helmet of salvation, the breast plate of righteousness having your feet shod with the preparation of God, and now if you’re going on out, you’re going to fight, fight the good fight of faith, not only that, I want to let you know that he said, `look it here, man,’ said, `who goeth to warfare at his own expenses, this battle, I’m fighting it, I might get killed at any time but I understand my expense is paid by the heavenly court and I’ve got the shield of faith, the devil can’t penetrate it, but not a one of them carnal, not a one of them natural things, he can’t come around and say I’m doing anything, it’s the word that’s going out of my mouth, just like the Messiah said that he that believeth on Me (John 5:39), he that believeth on Me as the scriptures hath said, out of his mouth, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water, you don’t see


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[1]        Camarillo is a mental institution.

[2]                1 day = 1000 years

                  24 hours = 1000 years

                  1 hour = 41.677 years or rounded to 40 years

[3]                1 day = 1000 years

                  6 days = 6000 years

[4]                      The 1 hour in which Babylon is fallen (40 years)

                        1956   (1960 AD) – the end of the age, beginning of                              probationary period)

                          10     years of the 40 already passed, by AD 1966


                          30     remaining years of the 40 left in AD 1966

                        1996   end of the 1 hour or 40 years (2000 AD)

[5]                                  1656  Antediluvian age – 1st age (Eden to the flood)

                        2381  Postdiluvian age – 2nd age (flood to the cross)

                        1933  years so far in Present Kingdom Age 3rd age (1966 AD)                     5970  in 1966 this was the total number of years since the                                 beginning of the physical creation

                        6000 – 5970 = 30 more years to make up 6000 years

                        1966 AD + 30 more yrs = 1996 AD