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15) 1967 CONVENTION: JULY 17,1967; 7:30-10 PM



by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley


Springfield, Ohio


recorded by Burbank Mitchell on reel to reel recorder

transferred to 1 90 minute cassette by Geraldine Rothstein


Catalog #: 67.O7l7 P


transcribed by Gerry Rothstein

first proofreading: Michael Rothstein

second proofreading: Gerry Rothstein


third proofreading: International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997



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2. Audience comments are included only if more than one person responded or if Dr. Kinley was speaking directly to a specific person.

3. Unless emphasized by Dr. Kinley pause words have been left out of the transcript for the sake of ease in readability and comprehension (ah, uh, see, you understand, do you understand.)

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First Speaker:  Dewey McCoy.

Moderator:  At this time I would like to introduce the next speaker tonight.  The next speaker will be the founder and dean of this school, Dr. Henry C. Kinley.  Dr. Henry C. Kinley.

Dr. Kinley:  Thanks ever so much.  Now I’m sure all of you enjoyed Dr. Dewey McCoy.

Student Body: That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  And I followed him very, very carefully.  And he told you things that the average preacher out here does not know.  ____ ____.  And he got it out of the Bible too.  It’s in everybody’s Bible.  Now he can’t get something out of there, out of the Bible that’s not in it.  And I wanna say that all of these Bibles we’ve got over here for the purist.  We’ve got Roman Catholic Bibles right over here on this table, got a couple of ‘em.  And before we leave this place, with this meeting we’re gonna give you just a convention, so you at least have that much learned, that some of you do not know.  We’re gonna give you two Roman Catholic Bibles, one imprimatured by Cardinal Stritch and another imprimatured by Cardinal Gibbons, and we’re gonna let you read them books and see if they read alike.  Did you hear what I said?

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  Now we got ‘em right over here.  And we’re gonna let you read what they say about Peter being the rock and about the church built upon Peter, and that Peter was in Rome, and he’s buried right in under the altar in the Vatican.  And that’s why they have built Saint Peter’s there, on the rock, Peter’s seat.  Now we’re gonna let you read that that’s a lie out of their Bibles and also out of yours, whatever kind you choose to have.  Think that’d be alright?  Let you read out of there.  We’re gonna prove it to you, just like Doctor McCoy proved to you about the Gentiles being grafted in according to the purpose of God.  He said he didn’t have time to finish that sermon.  That’s what he said.  And he read in Acts of Apostles and he read here and there.  That’s in everybody’s Bible too.  And now they wanna argue about Peter commanding Cornelius to be baptized, talked about the eunuch.  And when you’re talking about the eunuch you haven’t seen a preacher in your life, I’ve never heard of one, that knew anything at all about what he told you, talking about baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch.  No, none of the apostles, none of them could baptize a eunuch.  Paul was a eunuch.  And listen, he was of the tribe of Benjamin and Benjamin was the youngest son of Jacob.  Now none of the other eleven.., could not baptize him, they couldn’t do anything with him.  He didn’t have to consult with them about the Holy Ghost nor nothing.  That’s why he didn’t appeal to flesh and blood because if he did he would have to going to his older brothers, ____ ____ ____, because Yahweh is dealing with these twelve heads, individually and personally Himself.  Do you understand what I mean by that?  I mean that Peter nor none of ‘em couldn’t preach to Paul nothing.  Well the question is why?  Because He is an apostle in the purpose hisself, just like Peter was.  Now who’s dealing with Peter?  Do you see?  Get it now?  So He can’t go back up there to discuss nothing with them. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Cause it’s Yahweh dealing with those twelve apostles, and it is not one apostle dealing with another.  Did I clarify that?

Student Body:  Yes.

Dr. Kinley:  And he had a meeting there, after he saw the vision in the highway, wasn’t nobody there of the apostles to advise him or nothing.  And he didn’t go about it to consult with all of the apostles.  And he went on then into Arabia, after going on down to Damascus.  And then from Damascus he went into Arabia.  ‘What’d you go there for?’  Now just to stick you finger in your ear and run and hoop and holler and scream and stomp and spit and sweat, and don’t know nothing about what you’re reading out of the Bible, it don’t mean nothing.  Do you see that?  Well what did he go into Arabia for?  We’re not arguing about that he didn’t go there, you can read that out of the Bible.  What’d he go there for?  Why?  Because in Arabia, which is Mount Sinai here, there’s where He dealt with the twelve tribes of Israel, Mount Sinai is in Arabia.  That’s where Moses brought the Children of Israel up into Arabia, all the twelve tribes of ‘em.  Now do you understand that?  Well then this is where the twelve apostles, the twelve heads of the tribes have to receive…  Now do you see that?  So now here Paul, he’s an apostle and he goes into Arabia instead of going back into Jerusalem.  Now look.  The top of Mount Sinai covered with that cloud was allegorical to Jerusalem above.

____ ____ ____ ____ so now he didn’t go back to natural Jerusalem here, where he got the letters of authority from the High Priest to go out there and to persecute and put the people to death and put ‘em in prison and what not.  He can’t go back there, but he’s got to come back in here.  Then when he writes to Timothy, this is what he says about that:  he said this was the pillar and the ground of the truth.  And he said I don’t ____ ____ ____ this letter, so that you will know how to behave yourself when you come into the congregation or the house of the Lord.  Then you respect who you received it from because he was an apostle and an authority just like any of the rest of ‘em, and he was not a whit behind the chiefest of ‘em.  You name ‘em.  Fact of the matter Paul was the only one of ‘em that was educated.  Now I told you about that the other day.

And Peter and John went up in the temple, and after they give ‘em a good lashing and put ‘em in jail and then.., well that miracle of healing that man, and then when they brought ‘em out, the 70 of the Sanhedrin Council brought ‘em out, said, ‘now we’re in a crack, what do we do now?’  Said, ‘that’s a notable miracle.  We can’t deny it.’  Get it now?  And when they set ‘em before the Council and when they heard ‘em talk, they perceived that they was ignorant and unlearned men.  That’s in your Book.

But when they brought this champion in, the Apostle Paul was educated at the feet of Gamaliel under the Sanhedrin Council.  They knew that boy had an education.  And when they brought him before Felix, the Governor, Festus, the High Priest and King Agrippa, and said, ‘much learning, boy, makes you mad, you’re beside yourself.’  ‘No, that’s not what it’s all about.’  Now that, the other boys, what their troubles was.  Now here’s one with an education.  And they said, ‘much learning, got you all beside yourself.’  See that now?  That boy wasn’t ignorant and so then he went on to work and they tell him this, ‘listen, much learning.’  Said, ‘that’s not what my troubles is.’  Said, ‘God made a fool out of me,’ (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) while I was on the way to Damascus.’  Ain’t that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Yes indeed.  Said, ‘you know you boys give me a ____ letters of authority.’  I didn’t have to ask now of you nothing about it, none of the apostles and none of the saints in ____.  Said, ‘____ ____ have to ask any of the ____, and I had your permission to go out there and put ‘em in, in the jail.’  And now God brings him in on in.  And look, here’s what I wanna tell you about that.  Paul was a eunuch too, just like the Ethiopian eunuch.  And he could not go into the congregation of the assembly.  Now the preachers, they don’t know about them things, they don’t know nothing about it.  ‘Yes, I have.., don’t we have stacks of Bible commentators, encyclopedias, and don’t you get it in front of ____ ____ and read ‘em and who’s saying what.  Don’t, don’t it happen.  None of them apostles could baptize that Ethiopian eunuch, not a one of ‘em including the Apostle Paul, just couldn’t be baptizing nobody.  Couldn’t be, couldn’t enter into the congregation of the assembly.  He couldn’t, Paul couldn’t enter into the congregation of the assembly, and neither could the Ethiopian eunuch.  Now he had been up to Jerusalem to worship.  Now he had to worship outside of the congregation of the assembly because a eunuch couldn’t have no children.  Now if he couldn’t have no children, didn’t have any seed, what business has he got in there dictating to somebody else?  Didn’t have no seed in ____. There’s always somebody that don’t have no children, wanna tell somebody else how to raise their children. (STUDENT BODY AND DR. KINLEY LAUGH)  Do you see what I mean?  Do you get it now?  Just a busy body and meddling in other folks business in other words.  Do you get that?  That’s plain and simple.

And listen, the Ethiopian eunuch, now the commentators say that he was a Gentile.  Yeah, we, we can go over there and get the book and read it to you.  And right in that same, read this out of there, said that they that were scattered abroad, and the apostles, they remained in Jerusalem, and the rest of the folks, they were scattered abroad, the deacons.  Wasn’t, wasn’t not one of the apostles, not one of the eleven, went any where at all.  And Paul was a man that was, Saul was a man that was persecuting ‘em and run ‘em out of there.  It’s all right there in the Bible.  8th chapter of Acts.  He run ‘em, and he was in.., pursuing ‘em, when he saw the vision and the revelation.  And when he spoke before the King, the Governor and the Priest, he said, ‘All these Jews, they know me, they know how I have put to death, they know how when Stephen was stoned and put to death, how I held a raiment of them that slew him and gave my permission and consent for them to silence him.’  Said, ‘Now all the Jews know that.’ And what they oughta been doing, themselves that sent him out there, if they was executing the office of the indispensable duty, it was their place according to the law to go out there and stone any, anybody who dared to have broke the law, committed adultery or other things.  And them hypocrites they set back and sent him, making a fool out of him.  And he saw Him on the highway.  Saw Him when He was revealed to him.  ‘Now do I go back to Jerusalem and tell ‘em about it?’  ‘No, just ____ ____.’  ____ what street he went on too.  Straight Street. (DR. KINLEY AND STUDENT BODY LAUGH) ____ ____ ____ ____.  Wonderful.  Now listen.  He’s just admitted to the congregation of the assembly himself.

Now this covenant that God had made with the eunuch, and this Ethiopian eunuch, look, can’t you see the man has got some ____ to use with the man.  He was coming from up in Jerusalem when Philip met him.  He’d been up there worshipping.  Why didn’t they tell him about it and baptize him up there?  You see what I mean?  He’s on his way home back there, Ethiopia, and coming from up there, why didn’t they tell him about it up there?  Something wrong somewhere.

Oh, I tell you children, there’s just so much confusion, so much ignorance and so many people out there trying to preach something for a buck, for a dollar, and you gullible setting around listening to all that junk.  Twisting the Bible all up, in any kinda way to makes it fit to their imagination.  And the reason it’s that, it’s that way, because they don’t know how to put it together like it ought to be according to the purpose of God:  making Paul dispute something in his epistle to the Romans, then going in, in the same man’s epistle in the Corinthians and making him dispute, dispute his own self.  Go over in Jude the epistle and make, or over in the epistle of Peter and make Paul and Peter argue around.  Read it over in the biography, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and got Paul, the Messiah and Peter and Messiah all estranged from one another.  And then you all are gullible enough to set out there and listen to hog wash as that.

Now listen they know ____ ____ is not out there in the world.  The Messiah said they was gonna be out here and we read to you that John said they was already out here.  Now look, let me ask you this question.  Where would you go to look for deception if it was not among the so called (so-called?) Christian people?  Every time you go among the sinners, they tell you plain, ‘Now I’m not a Christian.’  They don’t confess to be.  And you have to go among the so called in order to get the ____, that’s what you ____, hypocrites.  You don’t go into the bathroom and the bathtub and fish in the bathtub when you know good and well there ain’t no fish in there.  You go out there and fish in the lake or someplace, or in the river.  You look like a fool setting up with that bathtub. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) It’s just that simple.  Said the Kingdom of God is likened unto a net which when it was cast forth into the sea, it brought forth of every kind.  Isn’t that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  And they drew it to the shore.  Well, now look what you’ve got.  The Kingdom of God is likened unto a net which when it is cast forth into the sea it bought forth of everybody or in ____, or it brought forth of every kind.  And then they drew it to shore.  Somebody said, ‘there’s a water moccasin.’ (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now the good, they put in a vessel, and the water moccasin, they throwed him back.  Ain’t that right?  Get the point?  There’s a water moccasin, water moccasin.  I ____ that. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) You get me now?  Here comes up an old toad, jumping around, here’s a eel, here’s a catfish, and here’s some sticks and some stones, all kinds of fish, so the good ones they took and put ‘em in a vessel.  Now this is a parable.

Student Body:  That’s right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now here you come and get out into the sea or the world, the sea which hath ____.  Isn’t that right?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  It’s the multitudes.  And when it was brought forth, it brought forth of every kind.  It brought forth a Baptist, the Methodist and the Presbyterians, Camelites and Dunkards and all that kinda thing.  It brought forth the frogs…  What do you call them kinda ____?  Between ____. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)

Student:  Scavengers.

Dr. Kinley:  Scavengers.  You know what I’ve ____.  Just throw him back.  No, hold it, hold it, hold it.  Said, ‘you got Reverend.’ Throw him on back. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Just throw him back.  Throw him back. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)  Yes sir. ____ ____ ____ throw it back. (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Ain’t it wonderful? (DR. KINLEY LAUGHS) Yes, now that’s a fact.  That’s what he’s talking about.  Now you cannot throw him back.  Don’t care whose pastor he is.  Wonderful, ain’t it?

Student Body:  Right.

Dr. Kinley:  Now, I’m not gonna detain you tonight.  I know you’re tired and I am too.  And I don’t want you to be afraid to come to these meetings because you have heard that we are holding you overtime and all of this, this, that, and the other.  But I would have you to know that you have worked for nearly 2000 years go by

Student Body:  Alright.

Dr. Kinley:  Not yet, And as Paul said, he said, forever learning, of this sort are they that crept into houses, listen, and lead captive silly women, that’s what he told Timothy, just burdened down with sin, lead captive silly women. ____ listen, ever learning, going to Sunday School and going to Church all the time, ever learning and can’t learn nothing.

Now don’t you girls think that Paul was talking about you, when he said you crept into houses and lead captive silly women.  That ain’t what he’s talking about.  Here’s these synagogues out here and this synagogue and that synagogue in this city, and that synagogue in that city, and the congregations are categorized as women.  And they have crept in there and just lead ‘em captive.  Silly, silly women just laid down in their sins because they did not understand the purpose and neither did they understand the dispensation in which they were living.  They were ____ and talking about these hawks and went out there, don’t understand what it’s all about and for a buck, that’s a dollar.  They lead ‘em captive, and you got all the mess this Babylon or confusion out here.  Now you’ll have to learn how to throw them tadpoles and them crawfish, them water moccasins, and them sticks, and them stones, you’re gonna have to learn how to throw ‘em back.  It don’t make no difference if it is your pastor.  We throwing back the Most Holy father, and you got the Pope.  Whoop.  So now we’re gonna conclude here.  Now I wanna make this announcement, now this is announcement.


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