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by Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley

Los Angeles, California

audio cassette received from Lamar Greer (#11)

1 90 minute audio cassette

Catalog#: 59 SC

transcribed by Susan LaFergola

first proofreading: Richard Share II

second proofreading: Michael Rothstein

third proofreading: Gerry Rothstein

fourth proofreading: International Public Relations Committee

approved by the International Public Relations Committee: 1997


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Previous Speakers:  Dr. Carl F. Gross and Dr. Robert Harris.

Dr. Kinley:  Thank you Dr. Harris, Dr. Gross.  I want to say that I really enjoyed that.  The lecture by Dr. Harris and also by Dr. Gross.  Now the things that they said were very deep, and it makes me sometimes think like this, it isn’t no wonder that so many come through the door.  It’s because of the fact that they haven’t been taught any of the things that we talk about much.  And consequently, you’re out into the more depths of the thing in the School than you are in churches where they go.  They don’t go into none of the details that which we go into.  And so consequently the things that are said here, sitting on these hard chairs and all, you get restless because as a rule you don’t, as a rule people don’t know anything about what we are talking about.  All that Dr. Gross said and all that Dr. Harris said was speaking in tongues. (DIFFICULT TO HEAR DUE TO TRUCK TRAFFIC IN THE BACKGROUND) ____ ____ He talked about a divine, was talking about ____ ____.  Then the subject of the salvation of Israel neither one of them never said nothing about Jeremiah and yet they were on the subject.  Now I’m just talking about how the other fella would look at it.  He might think that none of that had nothing to do with the subject.

As I remember years ago, possibilities are Dr. Gross was present at that meeting on Dived Avenue.  They had a church there.  And, oh it was some three or four years after we had started in the School.  This was call the Triumph Church of the New Age.  And we had a Minister there from the Church of God and then the Triumph Church of the New Age, Fred Wheeler was the Pastor at that time, Reverend Fred Wheeler.  And so the subject came up about a question they were asking and I had this chart along with me.  And so the man, the preacher from over at the Church of God asked me a question.  And I went back to Adam to explain his question and as I was explaining he throwed up his hand and said, ‘stay on the subject.’  And a lady that was sitting there that was with the other church, she looked around there and she said, ‘well that’s what he’s talking about.’  So I said that to say this, that in the group of people that haven’t had any more training in the reality of God, why all of us talk off of the subject, we’re never on it, because the carnal mind and that doesn’t work together.

Now I’m going to show you a few things here.  I jotted this down on a piece of paper.  My daughter here went down to the library, when we were compiling some books and all, information from books from the Roman Catholic Church.  Brother Yates and his wife bought some books and we were making a research into Catholicism.  Something they knew something about.  We can figure all around here but they wouldn’t know anything at all about it.  So now, since Pope John is making a, an effort to do what you’d call reunite Christendoom and to get the folks back in the Church.  So that has to do with our subject, the Salvation of Israel.  Now if you’re real wise and real smart, truthfully wise and smart, you’ll keep your eye on that thing for this reason why.  Although you have since giving trouble here about man, as Dr. Gross said, about his being his own free moral agent and do everything according to his own will.  And you’ve seen that brought out.  But now if you look at Pharaoh, that’s over in the Book, in the scriptures, Pharaoh.., and God hardened his heart.  That Son of Perdition all the way through is hard, is hardened.  And He didn’t only hardened Pharaoh’s heart, I’m ready to do that now, but he also hardened the Egyptians heart too, which we would say this way to express in more modern language you say.., we would say that the folks was hard headed.  That’s the way we put it.  Now that is what is happening all over the world.  The people are either listening to the inner voice of God in their hearts as first John, everybody has it, in as much as you have a negative, you have a positive in everybody that small voice that sometimes when you would do something that you shouldn’t do, ‘why, don’t do that.’  ‘Oh go ahead on and do it.’  And so there you are.  So if you don’t listen to that God part of you, why then learn what it is and listen to that.  Why then you’re pretty much sunk.  Do you know what I’m talking about?

So now in this piece of paper I’ve got a few things down.  I had it in that book quite some time.  I want to show you now so that you could see.  Now we’re talking, as Dr. Harris talked about here about these pomegranates and so forth and so on.  They were in the interior of that Temple.  Now everybody knows a little something about Solomon’s Temple whether or not they are Jews, Catholics or Protestants.  I’m speaking collectively of course.  They know a little something about it.  And it shows you unless you have some eyes, eyes of your understanding, I don’t mean the physical eyes in your head; then you would discern a lotta things that goes on and show you just how.., about the individual’s will.  And I’ve tried to show you from time to time that all things work according to the purpose of God.  I’ve tried to show you that.

Now one day when the apostles was up in the building, up in the Temple, which the Temple was torn down after it stood there, 33 years.  Shishak went up from Egypt.  You think.., you might think because the Children of Israel had escaped here and went out into the Wilderness here and they were under the new government, that is the ten commandments.

And then they passed on through the River Jordan and went into Canaan’s Land and built Solomon’s Temple up there.  Now Saul reigned first 40 years.  David reigned 40 years.  That’s 80 years.  And then Solomon during his reign, the first part of his reign he built that Temple and it stood there 33 years.

Shortly after Solomon died, then Shishak went up from Egypt and tore that Temple down, plundered it clear to the ground.  Did you know that?  Yep, that’s what happened.  So they got involved, the Egyptians even after they had dedicated the Temple, tore it down.  Then if.., the Temple was rebuilded again.  Then it was razed again.  And the last time which was the third time, it was 46 years, it started to build which is called Herod’s Temple.  And the other one was Zerubbabel’s.  We call it Zerubbabel because they were instrumental in seeing that the Temple was put back again.

But the last time it started 16 ½ years before the birth of Christ.  And when he got down to his, where He entered into His ministry why then it had been 46 years in the building.  And then 3 years in the building, 46 and 3 is 49.  So then that was the last week of Daniel’s prophesy that the Christ dying and raising from the dead again was the building of that Temple again.  Well now the boys one day why before He died they were up there in the Temple.  Peter and the disciples and so as they came outside the Temple and they looked at it decorated with all of those precious stone.  Course everything that was in the original Temple that Solomon built was not in the last Temple that Herod built.  The Ark of the Covenant was not there.  Not there.  And they hadn’t finished building it either for that matter, hadn’t completed it; in fact of the matter they never did complete it.  But what they did have of it up there was torn down.

Now when the boys was out looking at it and they said it certainly is a beautiful place and all like that.  And they was admiring the Temple.  And Jesus said to ‘em, there shall not be one stone left up on top of another that shall not be thrown down.  And then that was a prediction that that Temple would come down.  Then on in Catholicism they claim Jesus was talking to Peter in the 16th chapter of Matthew, upon this rock.  And He said, ‘who do men say that I am?’  ____ ____  ‘Who do they say that I am.’  And they answered and said that some say you’re Jeremiah and some of the other prophets.  And so He said, ‘but whom do you say I am?’  Peter answered up and said, ‘I say that thou art the Christ the Son of the living God.’  They was in Philippi of Caesarea at that time.  And so He said, ‘flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto thee, but My Father which is in Heaven.  And upon this rock I will build My church and the very gates of hell shall not prevail against it.’  All, everybody is familiar pretty much with those words among the Christians.  And of course the Roman Catholics they say that Peter was that rock upon which Christ built His church.  You know that don’t you?  And that’s why they have Peter in the capacity in which they have him.

Now let me show you something.  Up here in Mount Moriah where Abraham offered up Isaac right in that spot.  David put a rock there, made an altar there.  And marked it and he said that that was the place where the House of the Lord, the Lord had showed him where to build that house.  And then as you looked into that, and go to dig into it, you want to you can.., they got some jet bombers now that can get you over there in a hurry.  You can go over there and look.  And you will find that where that Temple stood there is a great big rock there.  Rock formation that that Temple rested upon, was a figure of that Rock that Christ was talking about in Caesarea.  And that…  Now you wouldn’t catch that one at all, just miss it in it’s entirety.

Now there’s something else I wanna tell you about that Temple, while I’m into it.  And that is this:  after that they had builded it, it was torn down for the third time when Solomon dedicated it, don’t forget that I told you that that he said, ‘the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him.’  Now this first, second and third heaven.  God is everywhere.  The heaven of heavens cannot contain Him.  And then the prophets in those temples coming down and ____ ____ ____ ____.

In the last days of His ministry, Christ went into the Temple and spoke to the carnal minded Pharisees and the Scribes up there in the Temple, the Levitical Priesthood knowing that they were dead from the fall of Adam.  And time had come for Him to be crucified.  Don’t nobody like to be setting up and smart too.  Just like they don’t want me to get up now and talk about the ministers or the preachers and how dumb and ignorant we are.  That we don’t know what we’re talking about.  They don’t like for me to talk like that.  Then if I try to tell you some of the spiritual things then they’ll say, ‘Well, who does he think he is.’  ‘What does he think has happened to all those people all down through the ages here.’  ‘He must think he’s smart and there ain’t nobody got no sense but him.’  Now that’s the same thing that Christ did when He went on up there in the Temple, the last time.  Now watch Him get in trouble.  When time come, all the rest of the time that He was up there, He said, ‘Now I didn’t come to call the righteous to repent, but I come to seek and to save that which is lost,’ knowing that everything was lost back there in Adam.  In Adam, as Paul put it, all died.  Even in Christ shall all be made alive.  And He got along, until it come time for Him to be crucified.  Then when it come time for Him to be crucified He went back up there in that Temple and He told the Sanhedrin Council, He said, ‘you hypocrites, you serpents, you generation of vipers.’  Looking back in the garden now.  ‘You generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?’  Those are His words.  ‘You hypocrites.’  Ain’t that what He said?  Said,’you won’t go in yourselves and you won’t let them that’s entering in go.  And you burdened them with heavy burdens.  And you wouldn’t lift one of it with your little finger.’  They had all kinds of traditions, things they saddled ‘em with.  They had the Talmud.  Do you know what the Talmud is?  You know what the Mishnah is?  There lies the ideas and interpretations, just like your commentators, of the law and so forth and so on.  And that was what they went by.  That was their commentator or their instruction in the scriptures.  And He said those things to ‘em.  Well now He’s fixing to get in trouble, it’s time for Him to die.  And out there talking before them like that, it wasn’t long before they had Him hanging right out there on the tree.  He knew that’s what it was going to do.  But He was telling the truth cause they was all dead from the fall of Adam.  But they just didn’t like the idea of being told about it.  That’s the way a carnal mind is.  Don’t want you telling nothing about it.  And when He spoke His last sermon up there in the Temple He went out and this is what He said, ‘behold your house.’  All before that He called it, ‘don’t you make My Father’s house a den of thieves,’ when they was up there selling oxen and turtle doves and sacrificial beasts for offerings and overturned the tables of the money changers with the cords and drove ‘em out of there, out there in the Court of the Gentiles, it was the outside court.  And said to ‘em, ‘Now don’t make My Father’s house a den of thieves.’  The money changers.  Which we are trying to learn now is the science of the mind, ____ exactly is that.  Be successful and profiteering.  (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) But never the less that’s what he said to ‘em.  ‘Behold your house is left unto you desolate.’  Now they didn’t get that Temple finished.  And as the prophet spoke of it, knowing through the vision and revelation that they would not.  He said, ‘Where is the house that ye builded unto me?’  Solomon, even when he dedicated, called himself dedicating the Temple out there.  Now here comes the prophet saying, ‘where is the house that ye build unto me.’  So it continues to come down, ____ repetitious, because of the fact there hadn’t been a house, a physical house in its reality that any man on earth has ever built, anytime.  They’re all figures and not the real thing.  Just like when He made the promise to Abraham that in his seed, which is Christ, He would bless all the families of the earth.  Now our mind is so carnal until we couldn’t see that promise back there, and just like we can’t see the real house that Dr. Gross is talking about.  We’re builded up a spiritual house.

Now, knowing those things and understanding those things, why then Jesus, when the boys were standing out there adoring the Temple so much with a carnal mind and thinking of the restoration of or the restoring of that to the place where it flourished in the days of Solomon and in the days of David.  He said to them.  He said ‘now, there shall not be one stone left upon top of another that shall not be thrown down.’  Now you watch, cause that thing goes clear on back to the greater and more perfect Tabernacle and Satan operating in it, which is the universe.  Now watch, you look.  Now here you know that in AD 70 Pagan Rome, let’s call it Pagan, Pagan Rome under Titus rome de masse went up, come up to Jerusalem with an army in AD 70 and tore that Temple down.  Razed it completely to the ground and tore it all to pieces:  fulfilling the prediction of Christ.  It had to come down because it, in His resurrection, is a spiritual body.  The physical had to come down.  You see that now?

And now Dr. Harris told you the other night about the way that Temple was constructed.  We took this off now and Dr. Gross has got this on here, it’s wet.  We have yet to put some kind of a wall around it.  But this crown on that if you notice it looks just like a chair there.  Now God raised up Solomon to sit, to build that Temple, and Christ raised up to sit upon the thrown (throne?) of his father, David.  And this kinda constructed this, Jachin and Boaz here, it’s constructed like a chair, the Temple and the oracle and all, just like the back of the chair here, he would.., the King would sit on that overlaid with gold would form that crown.  And to go in the door there in the oracle and so forth and above it, why then you would have the Holy Place and the Most Holy and around the walls.  And the inside of the Most Holy Place was these pomegranates and so forth and so on, and those angelic figures.  I can’t draw them, I can just tell you about them.  You look up here and you can see one better than a figure of it than I can., I’m able to draw it.  You can see it’s a little bit better to draw him out.  It’s all around the walls.  Those angelic figures being all around the walls and those pomegranates that Dr. Harris told you about, so forth and so on.

Well you say, what’s that got with the.., this over here.  Well Pagan Rome tore this Temple down and then Papal Rome constructed it in the Vatican, not in Jerusalem now, but over here in Rome; in other words it was torn down over here in Jerusalem and moved over here in the Vatican.  You see that now?  Moved over there.  Tore it down one way.  Now, John on the Isle of Patmos out here, when he is looking in his vision, he said he saw no Temple.  That’s because the Lord God and the Lamb was the Temple.  So then him tearing it down here in Jerusalem, Paganism tearing it down in Jerusalem and moving it over in Rome.  They just tore down the natural, the physical, in Jerusalem, which was allegorical to Jerusalem above, and moved it over here in Rome.  Pagan Rome tore it down, I mean Paganism tore it down and moved it over here.  Now in our book we’ll show you where this Paganism, this Beast rising up out of the sea and Satan transfiguring over in the red dragon and the leopard beast, we’ll show you how that’s done in the 666, and on both of ‘em, which has to come all the way down through the Garden of Eden.  From the Garden of Eden on down.  Well now, you’d think, you think too much about that.  Oh yes, I’m going back to the basics.  That’s what I’m on my way to now.  Yes indeed, I’m almost..,  I’m on my way.

Now, let me see if I can show you, now look there, if I can bring out some of it.  All these things.  If we had heard some of this when we was in church, why we would be that much further progress.  Now, in a book, so you that can see, I have to put my glasses on, got a script with me this time.  In this book, it’s entitled The Vatican, it’s by Ann Cunningham with photographs by David Seymour.  It says in that book, I got everything but the page number on here, and I’m gonna have to get the book to get the page number out of it.  Said the present church, meaning Saint Peter’s, built in 120 years between 1506 when the architect B R A M A N T E, I just wanted you to know who it was, turned in his complete plan and blue prints and 1626 when it was finally dedicated by Earnest Nahee, that’s four word, is the largest Christian church in the world.  Now not the first one have ever given any thought at all.  Now that Temple, Solomon’s Temple as we call it, it was built up there in Jesus’s time said, ‘destroy this Temple and I’ll build it again in three days.’  And His body, as you have heard me say, Him being the seed of Abraham, His body God dwelt within Him.  So then Daniel prophesying said how long would it be before the sanctuary be cleansed?  And He said unto 2,300 days.  And if you don’t think that’s right I’ll read it in Daniel over there.  Now you watch.  Now what we’re talking about here deals with uncircumcision and circumcision.  It deals with the Jew and it deals with the Gentile.  You see that now?  It deals with this carnal minded Papacy; or in other words, it deals with Paganism and Satan transformed into an angel of light.  The same old Devil that was back there in the Garden of Eden.  The same one incarnated in a man trying to take the place of God and exalting himself on up.  And fooling everybody but the elect of God.  Now you watch the figure.  Now I read to you off of here.  Now it says here that.., I’ll read it again:  the present church, it doesn’t say it, we have to throw that in, Saint Peter’s there.  And I’ll be back into these pomegranates, you can be sure about that, they were on them walls around here, cause there’s something that fits right into that and then we’ll go back into the creation and show you that that and all and how even the hairs on your face.  Wanna put it on the board so you can look at it.  Now it begun to be built in 1506.  This is AD.  And it was finished in 1626. 1626. I got to up on here another 6. 1626. 1626 AD it was finished.  Now that, that is their own figures for it.  Now let me show you.  Now if you take 1626 and then you take the 1506 and subtract one from the other, what do you have?

Student Body:  120

Dr. Kinley:  Huh?

Student Body:  120

Dr. Kinley:  You have 120.  Is that right?  That’s 120 years.  That’s what it says right in your own paper.  I’ll read it.  And I mean this is copied out of this book.  The present church built in 120 years between 1506 when the architect Bramante turned in his completed plans and blue prints and in 1626 when it was finally dedicated by Urban the 8th is the largest Christian church in the world.  And I just forgot to get the page number off of which it was on there.  Now that’s 120 years.  Now they were 120 years in building Vatican, just like Noah was 120 years building Noah’s ark to save them people over there they were building 120 years building this to lose ‘em.  Do you see that now?  They’re their own figures for it.  I didn’t have nothing to do with it.  You can go get the book.  It came out of the Los Angeles public library.  Now do you see that?  Now what’s happened, Noah built that ark according to the divine specifications in the end of the Anti-diluvian Age to bring the people from there over into the Post-diluvian Age.  That’s under the law.  I’ll show you what I mean.  Here’s the, here it is.  Here’s the anti-diluvian. 1656.  Noah’s 120 years building the ark there and this is the flood here, and then this is the Post d… over here.  Now Noah built the ark to bring ‘em over.  Now here comes Christ and He’s under this one here to bring the people over here.  And so that tore down the Temple; that means, that is to say the Temple of His body.  Well Titus went over there and tore the Temple down afterwards and moved it over and there were 120 years in the end of this age building up something to destroy the lives of the people forever.  Do you see through that now?  Now there isn’t anybody gonna understand and see them things, but the seed of Abraham according to the promise.

Now, let’s show you another one.  Now you see that don’t you?  Now you remember I mentioned here about the 2300 days and the sanctuary would be cleansed.  You remember that?  Alright, now let’s see how we come out here with this one.  See this 1626?  Don’t forget it.  Let us get over here and show ‘em after a while.  Here, this is 1959.  We’ll just take the figures from here.  1959.  Is that right?

Dr. Carl Gross:  Yea.

Dr. Kinley:  Now then if you take 33 off of it, then you have 1926.  You can figure all you want to.  Now this is your free will too.  Now if you take the 1926, now this 1926 or if you wanna make it 33 ½ then you do this.  You still have the same thing.  If you wanna make this 1960, the reason why is because 40 more years will make it up to 2000.  Then 33 ½ gives you 34 and we still have 1926.  Why use the 34?  Because the New Covenant is of not force until after, or no covenant is not of force until after men are dead.  A testament is of force after men are dead.  Now you see that?  So then it was after the crucifixion of Christ that the covenant become of affect on the Day of Pentecost.  See it right there?  Do you see that now?  Now if you take your 1926, 1926 I just wanna show you so you can understand what I’m talking about.  1926.  Now if you take the 1626 and then you have 300.  Now that 300 right around here, cut it off right there; which means that Christ was crucified on Friday, and laid in Joseph’s new tomb and the 300th part of that next day He rose from the dead, according to Daniel’s prophesy.  You follow me now?  So then it was 300 years from the time, from here, 300 years from here to there.  They dedicated the thing.  But this 300.  Now it took 7. Let me put the 300 over here, you know what it is now.  So now it took 700 more.  Here, or 700 more here to make 3000 years or 3 whole days counting one day with the Lord as a thousand years.  But this is going down.  Christ is coming up and this one’s going down.  You need to make a thousand.  So the 700 goes the other way.  Do you see through it?  One building one thing.

Now it’s pretty terrible, it’s a pretty bad thing when you stop to think, now that God give instructions, specification and told Noah how to build that ark, lower deck, upper deck, and so forth and so on, to save the people in, and here the Devil is over up in Jerusalem, same Devil, Jesus knew it had to happen, tore the Temple down and moved it over to Rome.  Set it back up to lose the people in.  Jerusalem above is the eternal city not Rome beneath.  And so they call Rome beneath the eternal city.  Now that’s the Devil moving the figurative body of Christ.  Moving him around any kinda way he wants to.  Move throne, Temple, and all.  Get it?  Set it down in one place.  Now if he wasn’t smart you couldn’t see that.  Now he moved it off a rock here and it’s in the mountain here.  Now if you go and look and see where they put the Vatican at, you’ll find it down on the flat surface of the ground, in the ____ ____ here.  Get it?  And I could go and look at it, just take the pictures and all, and look at it.  And they tried their best to make it as near as they possibly could, a picture of Vatican like the Temple.

Now Dr. Harris told you about the interior.  Now I want to tell you about the interior of the Vatican.  I showed you the picture now.  I wanna tell you the interior of the Temple, how it was.., with pomegranates and angelic figures inside of Solomon’s Temple.  Now in the inside of the Vatican.  Now you know anything about what’s in there?  Michael, Michael Angelo painted in there, all around the walls of the Sistine Chapel, around the walls God in pictures creating the physical heavens and earth.  And everybody talks about how beautiful and all Michael Angelo’s paintings were.  Now the Temple and all is physical, and them painting the physical creation inside the Vatican, moving it from Jerusalem down in Rome and painting the interior of that showed that they was in the old creation and not in the new creation or not in the real seed of Abraham.  That’s why if any man worships the beast or the carnality of this thing, why then he shall receive in his forehead and in his hand the mark of the beast and he shall drink of the wine of the wrath poured out of the cup, God’s indignation, tormented in fire day and night.  I wanna emphasize that day and night, for this reason why, because on the other side of the vail John said there was no night there.  Now if there’s no night there on the other side of the vail, watch this point.  The day and nights going on now, which means right now, day and night, they don’t have no peace.  And day and night.  Rome trying to accumulate enough credits by repetition of the.., and worship of the Virgin Mary during their lifetime to get them out of Purgatory.  So they don’t have no rest day nor night.  And they’re fallen in the presence of God and of His holy angels, and you are the seed of Abraham or that angelic body incarnated in these physical bodies.  You don’t.., as long as you’re in the material, as long as you’re in the natural, everybody, it makes no difference who they are, they’re tormented.  And everything that they talk about can, can I say this one real easy, both Protestants and Catholics, because of the fact that Protestantism come right out of Catholicism or in other words, Catholicism is the Mother of Harlots, although that Protestantism.  That’s why Christ, the 17th chapter of Revelation, ‘Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive of her plagues.’  Babylon represents as the tower was back there the confusion.  And in the confusion of, between Protestantism, Catholicism and other heathen religions, God is saying to you, the true people of God, ‘Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive of her plagues.’


That’s the reason why so many of the different churches, as you hear them talk from time to time, they jump up and they say this, just like we.., here not long ago down on Zowheller Street, they said that’s where the Holy Ghost fell 49 years ago, talking about the Pentecostal Faith, that you hear Dr. Persons and them talk so much about.  And then it had a flat tire, and now they’re trying to get it back together in Angela’s Temple and so forth and so on.  Now look, anything can fall out and have a flat tire like that.  It doesn’t make any difference.  I’m not interested in none of it.  No parts of none of it, none of them religions.  And that’s not what I’m trying to teach you; in other words, I’m trying to teach you to come out of all of that confusion and that you be not partakers, because confusion it means just this:  the Baptists, the Methodists, the Presbyterians, the Camelites (Carmelites?), the Catholics, and the Dunkards and the so forth and so on, just nothing but confusion, just like it was back there at the Tower of Babel.

Now, different ones come here to talk here.  They say to me, you note this, they want to talk about something about the Baptists or something about the Methodists or something about the Penta…  I don’t care about none of it.  Ain’t interested in it.  I don’t care what they said.  And for that reason why they think that, well as a person said to me, said, ‘Well, you have those people indoctrinated.’  That’s why they don’t wanna stay around, cause ‘you have ‘em indoctrinated,’ that is to say, ‘We can’t get up there and preach to ‘em.’  Why?  ‘Because they don’t believe nobody but you, and they’re not going to listen to us.  There isn’t anything we can teach ‘em because you inoculated them, and indoctrinated them with your philosophical concepts.’  Now that’s the way they look at it.  ‘But I remember,’ so they’ll say, ‘when the spirit of God was in such in such a thing, way back yonder,’ until so and so went out yonder and done something that they shouldn’t do, like Amy McPherson, and the bottom fell out of it.  Well now, the bottom ain’t, hasn’t fell out of this thing that I’m talking about, it’s from Pentecost on down.  And if every last one, no body, not person the first from nowhere comes into this school and understands what I’m talking about and leaves.  Can’t go.  Why can’t you go?  There ain’t nowhere to go.  Ain’t that right?  And I’m not afraid of it either.  I’m not trying to circumscribe like the Catholics do.  Tell you not to go here and not to go there, like the Baptists, the Methodists, the Presbyter…  Tell you, ‘don’t go nowhere else.’  This is your church, your…  I ain’t talking about it.  Ain’t interested it in.  Go where you want to.  Come back when you get ready.  It’s all right with me.  You better go somewhere.  I’ll tell you right now, if you ain’t pure in heart and you ain’t one of them thieves and you can’t stay here, you have to go somewhere else.  Can’t stay here, that’s all there is to it.  If you’re pure in heart and you’re really looking for the truth, irrespective and regardless of men’s theological opinions and ideas and all, you stay.  Never had one.  And don’t ever expect to have one.  Yeah, we’ve had some come and go, but there’s.., come and go go.  But if they ever get them scales knocked off, there won’t be no going cause there ain’t nowhere to go.  I’ve even been out and wanted to visit other places, and I always take ‘em along with me.  Been here, some since, since we been here in California, and way back yonder years ago I had started with, ‘Let’s go.’  And he’s saying, ‘I don’t wanna be bothered, you can go if you want to, I ain’t going to be going.’  They wouldn’t even go with me.  That’s right.  The same thing is now.  Said, ‘Well, I need my rest.’  Can’t even go.  ‘Well, how do you ever expect to get any association,’ I said to them.  ‘Well, if that’s the way you have to get it.’  ‘Don’t you know you’ve got to get somebody over here.’  ‘Well, if they want to know the truth then let them come over here like I did, there ain’t nothing I can do.’  ____ care about that at all.  Now that’s the difference.  Now I have tried to show you these correlations through here.

Now, let’s go back.  And the reason why I brought all of this up here, the reason why I brought all of this up here was to show you that Noah’s Ark, 120 years in the building, move on down to the prophecy there and showed you the Christ.  And to take Israel and bring her out of Egypt, 2 days journey out to the Red Sea, and then that third day and that cloud, and she escaped in through that Red Sea, a 300th part of it.  Show you the body of Christ.  And I showed you that 300th over there, the 2 days and the 300th.  You notice that?  And I went on back there to show you that 300th and how it correlated with what the Devil was doing there.

Now, what I’m aiming at is this, is to show you that the true people of God, them that do want to be saved, are not fooling around with nobody’s physical church on earth, because of it’s declaration, I mean decorations and glory and all them different kinda things.  And Dr. Gross knows I had a lotta trouble.  And one of the reason why I haven’t said too awful much about this chart being painted over, and I sit right out there on the floor today and looked at it, and I said, ‘well, I hope I don’t have the trouble with it that I had before.’  Because when we painted it over and it was in it’s glory and beauty, people started standing around looking at it, saying, ‘oh, that picture up there that sure is great, now this is pretty over here, oh my, ain’t this beautiful.’  That ain’t what I’m after.  I couldn’t tell you nothing for ‘em looking at the pictures.  So when we were made the chart I said, ‘I don’t care too much about the art.  I don’t care.’  And if you notice the painting, they ain’t got no eyes and a whole lotta things.  Don’t want it to be to pretty, that’s not what I’m asking.  And so this man that made this thing, he was pretty good in art.  And I waited the longest time, they had to get used to that thing before I could tell ‘em anything much about it, the correlations and so forth and so on.

Now, to go back there to that Ark.  427 years after God, after God had created the heaven and the earth.  1656.  You keep your eyes on these 6, 6’s and take 30 years from that, and you got 16, see that’s 26.  See it up here?  All them figures mean something.  You see that now?  That isn’t what I’m after now.  I just wanted to show you while I was on the line.  But 1656, that was when..,  AM that was when the flood was.  Now Noah built that Ark and it was 120 years in the building. 1536 years.  Did you catch that 120; in other words, he began to build it in 1536 AM.1  And that was the end of that age there.  And now, 1656.  Now watch what I’m fixing to say to you.  He builded that Ark to save.  Now 427 years after the flood God made this promise with Abraham.  Take 427 and 1656 AM is 2348 BC.2  Now that’s what you see down here on this chart.  Now if you go, this would be 4004.  Now he is seeing this vision of this creation up here.  Right here.  That’s the reason why we tried to fix it up around here so you could see that Moses saw this vision of the creation of heaven and earth in 1491.  And to tell you one day with the Lord would be 4000 years, when the son came in there.  Now do you see that now?  And then the other 2000 he’s raising up this Adam and Eve or that real building, sure enough building of that Temple will be in the second Adam and the second Eve with all..,  which is Jerusalem above, the Mother of us all.  Now God has made that promise according to Abraham and those that are to be lively stones in that building.  And we are being builded up a house now, right now, through the Holy Spirit being incarnated in us, I mean tonight.  Right now.  That real Temple is going up right now.  And when those whom God foreknew are all in it and then shall the end come.  I’ll tell you in that way.  When it is time that the whole thing, all of them lively stones that being, is put together and growing, as Paul said, into a Holy Temple in the Lord.  What for?  For a habitation of God through the Spirit.  When it’s completed then everything comes to an end.

Now then, the promise that God made to Abraham.  I’m trying to talk so you can understand me tonight.  The promise that God made to Adam back there, and come on down and made the promise to Abraham 427 years after the flood.  Now if we would correct that chronology, then we’d put them 3 years back in there, that would be 430.  But we’ll just go ahead on so that you can look it up in your book and catch the right figures, and you won’t get lost.  The promise that God made to Abraham back there, which was, the promise of the redeemer from Adam to Moses, skipping over the head, now of Abraham and Noah, and From Abraham to Moses; which means clear on up to Christ, because the Mosaic Law come on up to Christ.  But God confirmed the covenant that He made with Abraham by making him a promise, like this, that in his seed, which is Christ, He would bless all of the families of the earth.  Now I want you to see I have been standing around telling you that, but I want you to see that it is in the Bible.  So I want you to read where that the covenant was made with Abraham before he was circumcised, in the Book.  I want you to read.


1   1656 AM (Garden of Eden to the Flood)

     – 120         years the ark was in building

  1536 AM:  the year that Noah started building the ark (number of years from the Garden of Eden to Noah’s vision and the building of the ark.)

2   4004          Garden of Eden

   – 1656 AM  year of the Flood

      2348 BC or BY  year of the Flood

      – 427

       1921 BC or BY Promise given to Abraham

Reader:  Down here, well, up here in 17:10, it says, of Genesis.

Dr. Kinley:  That’s right.

Reader:  This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee:  Every man child among you shall be circumcised.  And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.  Then over here in the 24th verse.  And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

Dr. Kinley:  Now Abraham was 99 years when he was circumcised in the foreskin of his flesh.  Now Ishmael was already born.  Read on.

Reader:  And Ishmael, his son, was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.  In the self same day was.

Dr. Kinley:  Now Ishmael’s born. 13 years old, not 8 days after, but 13.  So Abraham, he was circumcised when he was 99 years old and Ishmael was 13 years old when he was circumcised.  Now that’s him and his father.  Alright, read.

Reader:  In the self same day was Abraham circumcised.

Dr. Kinley:  Now that self same day Abraham was circumcised.

Reader:  and Ishmael, his son.

Dr. Kinley:  And Ishmael, his son.  So he was not circumcised when Ishmael was born.  Now when you just tell somebody these things, they don’t think that it’s possible to overlook all of these things in the Book.  You get it now?  And why is it that I didn’t know something about it?  Now then, go in and get you the Jewish commentator.  And if they put the same thing in there that’s in the original manuscript, it’s got to be the same way.  That’s the way that it is.  Alright, read.

Reader:  And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of a stranger, were circumcised with him.

Dr. Kinley:  Now did you see that?  Can you see whether he was or not now?  Is it in the Book?  Now, here’s the point.  That’s why the Apostle Paul, over here in Romans, referring back to Abraham where you often, referring back again, this is where you often hear me speak that circumcision or uncircumcision doesn’t mean anything in the flesh.  But circumcision in the heart and instead of in the flesh, that’s where it shows.  And you see that Ishmael was 13 years old when he was circumcised; which means the coming on down under the Law the Gentiles then, not having the law, but since Abraham was the father, and he was not circumcised at the time, then he was afterwards circumcised that he would.., so that he could be the father, just like God made the promise to him, of many nations so then they had to be some born, that Ishmael had to be born before they were circumcised.  And then before the birth of Isaac, then they had to be circumcised, that he might be the father of both the uncircumcision and the circumcision child.

Then coming on down under the dispensation of the Law, if the Gentile would…  That’s why the Temple was builded that way, with a Court of the Gentiles and a Court of the Jews in it.  So then, since the Temple was builded that way, the Temple was a figure, watch now, was a figure of the seed, because the Temple was not builded under Abrahamic regime, Melchizedek was High Priest at that time.  King of Salem which is in the same place of Jerusalem, which is the ancient name for it.  And Melchizedek addressed Abraham while both, neither Ishmael or Isaac had been born or in other words while the seed was within his loins.  So then Ishmael being born before he’s circumcised and then God had done made this promise to him before either one was born.  And now when Isaac, it come time for Isaac to be born then God renews the same covenant again.  Then when Isaac and Ishmael are born then comes up this squabble between Hagar, Ishmael’s mother, and Sarah or Isaac’s mother.  And so Sarah said to the Lord that the promise, Isaac would be the seed.  And God had caused her to say that.  And then therefore, God said in Isaac, instead of in Ishmael, shall thy seed be.  Then you have the God of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael, which is the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit.  Now Ishmael, Ishmael, being circumcised after he’s born, Abraham being circumcised before Isaac was born, and then Isaac being circumcised eight days after his birth.  Watch the thought now.  Then that means this, that all that are in the family of God, are solemnly true Israelites, all of them are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands and were one in that body through the circumcision of the seed which is Christ.  And that’s what Paul is talking about in all of his epistles having been made the minister of the Gentiles.

Now look.  I wanna show you something else about that.  Now please try to get this straight.  Now the promise that was made 427 years after the flood and 430 years before, before the law.  Now the law didn’t just simple go ahead and just rub out the promise.  It didn’t do that, or the law did not take the place of the promise.  Now you have, are you listening, you have the covenant that was made with Abraham, you have the covenant that was made with the Children of Israel, the first covenant, then you have the second covenant.  Now that’s three covenants:  the covenant with Abraham, the covenant, the first covenant with Israel, and then the new covenant with Israel.  Now that’s three covenants.  Then of Abraham’s seed, which is Christ, who is also the Son of the David, as they call him, that he would, another covenant, promised David that he would raise him up and set him upon the throne, set Christ or his son, David’s son.  And therefore, they called Jesus, when He was walking around healing everybody, they called Him the Son of David.

But they asked Him a lotta questions.  And then He comes back with this question, why then did David in spirit say, I’m giving it to you so that you can understand, why did David say, My LORD, say unto my Lord, sit down on my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool.  Now that’s over in the old Bible.  See what I’m trying to say?  That’s back over there.  Now they missed ‘em, all of them covenants.  Now, the New Covenant, it could not come with Israel.  And neither could the promise come with Israel.  Then I said the promise that God made to Abraham, that couldn’t come of effect.  And neither could the New Covenant that God had made with Israel come of effect until the seed of Abraham, which was of Christ, which was Christ.  And the law that was made, the first covenant had to be fulfilled and moved out of the way so that the promise that God made to Abraham…  Now here’s the law, let me see if I can put this down this way, L A W.

Now here’s the promise.  Now the promise comes on over here, on over here, and is effect now; in other words I mean both Jew and Gentile becoming a recipient of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost.  Now I’m fixing to get in trouble, but you stick down here boy cause I want everybody to understand what I’m talking about.

Now this Jesus told them before He ascended, now you go back to Jerusalem and tarry ye, you stay right there until you receive the promise of the Father there or until you receive the Holy Ghost.  Don’t you leave there.  And at the end of that time, 10 days after He ascended, He poured out the Holy Spirit.  Now watch.  Now the Holy Spirit.  Can I use you this time, this is a good one. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) The Holy Spirit in this man, Ti, is his inner man.  His outer man is the veil or is the flesh over this Holy Spirit that is incarnated within him.  Now the Holy Spirit, just like when Jesus was here walking around in the flesh, in the Spirit He was God the Father.  The flesh, the Son.  Now when He takes off.., that Holy Spirit being in him, this flesh is the veil.  That’s that veil that they had to go through here.  Stand still, I’ll get it.  Right in through the veil.  Now every priest, every rabbi and all knows that that’s the way that was in there.  He had to go through that veil on the 10th day.  The veil represented the flesh.  Now the Holy Spir…  To come in here, that’s God in this Tabernacle, that’s God in there.  Now here we are, right here, in body.  In spirit this is where we are.  So now you can’t see the Holy Spirit in this man.  But when the Holy Spirit that is in him, which is the promise that God had poured out, and told them to stay there in Jerusalem, not Rome, but Jerusalem.  Now when the fullness of time come or at the proper time, just like the Day of Pentecost was the day when it was, they didn’t know, but that Day it was poured out.  Now when the time come for this flesh to be changed, the Holy Spirit being in this man will rend this veil or remove this physical body, and it will immortalize this physical body.  But God or the Holy Spirit must be in him.  Now how come the Holy Spirit’s in him?  The Holy Spirit is in him because that’s the way God has made the promise, if you believe that the seed, which is Christ, has brought that blessing, or brought the Holy Spirit, died and brought the Holy Spirit in him.  Now when the flesh is removed, instead of him being, that’ll do, in physical Jerusalem he’s in the Jerusalem, the Heavenly Jerusalem in both body and spirit.  Whereas he’s in the Spirit, he’s there now.  That’s what Paul is talking about in the 12th chapter of Hebrews; ye have not come to the mount that might be touched, but you have come to the Heavenly Jerusalem.  You already got there.  Now you see through what I’m talking about?  Now that’s the seed of Abraham, that is the salvation of Israel.  That’s the salvation of Israel.

Now the spot again I want to show you is this, that whosoever is born of God, don’t make no difference who you are.  Let me see if I can say this.  It’s hard to find words, I’m always up against it anyway.  I believe in John, Dr. Gross help me find this over in here.  Any man be born of God, that’s that new birth.  That physical birth back there is all over with.  We’re through with the physical man and now we’re after the inner man.  Now if Christ, being the seed, I said the seed of Abraham, to whom the blessing has come or through whom we have become the recipient of the Holy Spirit.  Now when we are born of that, you cannot commit sin, because…  Why can’t you do it?  It’s because you are born above.  And then what happens is because the seed, the seed, the seed remains in you.  We can’t do it.  Now then, now here we go again.  Watch.  Now the carnal mind, looking at the natural man and the carnal mind, that thing that you take for granted, you could smoke a cigar, you touch anything physical… 


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